Re: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons

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Generally pistons have a slot machined into the bottom edge of the =
piston pin hole that is intended to allow a very small srewdriver to be =
inserted under the clip. If there isn=E2=80=99t one (as with some =
motorcycles) you can push an exacto blade under the clip near the open =
end and lever the clip out. Easier to do than to explain. The clip will =
then fly to the nether reaches of your workshop under the heaviest =
bench.=20

Bill Babcock
Beach Bum
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https://www.Ponostyle.com

> On Jan 22, 2023, at 11:36 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> =
wrote:
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> Hi Jack,=20
> I purchased the same style clips from Wiseco for good used 87mm =
Hepolite pistons when I first built my TR3 engine.  I don't recall =
having any problems installing them.  But, on a recent tear down, there =
was no way I was going to get the clips out without damaging the =
pistons.  Luckily everything was in great condition, so I just kept them =
on the rods and they'll go back in the engine.  It was even suggested =
that the rods bearing could be reused as they looked excellent.  =
However, I did renew the bearings and a new set of rings will be used.  =
The engine had 19 race weekends on it and over 5,500 miles of street =
use.  The stock crank was crack checked and polished and same main =
bearings are going back in. =20
> Dave H.=20
>> On 01/22/2023 12:42 PM Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> =
wrote:
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>> Jack,
>> I have these style clips on the Wiseco pistons I've recently =
purchased for TR3, TR6 and Sprite engines. I didn't have any issue =
getting them in or out (to quote Tony "don't ask me why I know this"). I =
put one end in and then just press it in as I push it towards the =
center. I used a piece of wood dowel with a slot sawn into it to help. A =
small scribe in the notch worked fine to get them started out and didn't =
damage the piston or coating.
>>=20
>> Hope this helps!
>> Jake
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>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 12:00:01 PM CST, Jack Wheeler via Fot =
<fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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>> I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) =
pins in the pistons.  The snap rings I have used on the TR-3/4 engines =
and most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small holes in the =
ends.  These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the holes so you =
can squeeze the snap rings into place in the grooves in the piston =
bores.
>>=20
>> I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have bought =
new pistons.  The snap rings that came with these pistons do not have =
the holes in the ends.  See attached picture.
>>=20
>> These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by hand.  =
I also can't figure out a way to grip them with the snap ring pliers I =
have.  Does anyone know if there is a special tool I need to use to =
install these?  Or any suggestions about how I should go about =
installing them?  Thanks.
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class=3D"">Generally pistons have a slot machined into the bottom edge =
of the piston pin hole that is intended to allow a very small srewdriver =
to be inserted under the clip. If there isn=E2=80=99t one (as with some =
motorcycles) you can push an exacto blade under the clip near the open =
end and lever the clip out. Easier to do than to explain. The clip will =
then fly to the nether reaches of your workshop under the heaviest =
bench.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div><b class=3D"">Bill Babcock</b><br class=3D""><i class=3D"">Beach =
Bum</i><br class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:bill@ponostyle.com"; =
class=3D"">bill@ponostyle.com</a><br =
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<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jan 22, 2023, at 11:36 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
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   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">Hi =
Jack,</span>
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sans-serif; color: #333333;" class=3D"default-style">
   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">I =
purchased the same style clips from Wiseco for good used 87mm Hepolite =
pistons when I first built my TR3 engine.&nbsp; I don't recall having =
any problems installing them.&nbsp; But, on a recent tear down, there =
was no way I was going to get the clips out without damaging the =
pistons.&nbsp; Luckily everything was in great condition, so I just kept =
them on the rods and they'll go back in the engine.&nbsp; It was even =
suggested that the rods bearing could be reused as they looked =
excellent.&nbsp; However, I did renew the bearings and a new set of =
rings will be used.&nbsp; The engine had 19 race weekends on it and over =
5,500 miles of street use.&nbsp; The stock crank was crack checked and =
polished and same main bearings are going back in.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>
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sans-serif; color: #333333;" class=3D"default-style">
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class=3D"">Dave H.&nbsp;</span>
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    On 01/22/2023 12:42 PM Erik Jacobsen via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:
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     Jack,
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     I have these style clips on the Wiseco pistons I've recently =
purchased for TR3, TR6 and Sprite engines. I didn't have any issue =
getting them in or out (to quote Tony "don't ask me why I know this"). I =
put one end in and then just press it in as I push it towards the =
center. I used a piece of wood dowel with a slot sawn into it to help. A =
small scribe in the notch worked fine to get them started out and didn't =
damage the piston or coating.
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     Hope this helps!
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     Jake
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      On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 12:00:01 PM CST, Jack Wheeler via =
Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:
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          I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist =
(gudgeon?) pins in the pistons.&nbsp; The snap rings I have used on the =
TR-3/4 engines and most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small =
holes in the ends.&nbsp; These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into =
the holes so you can squeeze the snap rings into place in the grooves in =
the piston bores.
         </div>
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          <br class=3D"">
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         <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
          I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have =
bought new pistons.&nbsp; The snap rings that came with these pistons do =
not have the holes in the ends.&nbsp; See attached picture.
         </div>
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          These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by =
hand.&nbsp; I also can't figure out a way to grip them with the snap =
ring pliers I have.&nbsp; Does anyone know if there is a special tool I =
need to use to install these?&nbsp; Or any suggestions about how I =
should go about installing them?&nbsp; Thanks.
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          Jack Wheeler
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