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If it helps, please find attached an Excel spreadsheet that calculates both=
the current compression ratio as well as the head volume needed to get the=
compression ratio you want. =C2=A0Just put the dimensions in the yellow hi=
ghlighted cells. =C2=A0If running a pop up piston, you will need to determi=
ne the volume of the pup up above the normal piston crown surface. =C2=A0Th=
e spreadsheet as attached has dimensions for a slightly modified TR4 with f=
lat top pistons. =C2=A0I hope this is self explanatory.
Regards,
Phil Gott
-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Gee via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
To: Bob Bownes -Seiri <bownes@seiri.com>
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Dec 6, 2021 10:51 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Compression
Yes they will, but that isn=E2=80=99t really the problem. =C2=A0The extra s=
troke of the TR6 motor makes building compression easy. =C2=A0The 2L motor =
is a little more challenging because of the shorter stroke. =C2=A0You just =
can=E2=80=99t shave enough off the head to get really high compression with=
out getting into the water passages. =C2=A0Pop ups are necessary to maximiz=
e compression.
Chuck
On Dec 6, 2021, at 6:40 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> =
wrote:
=EF=BB=BF
Hmm,
Will a TR6 head fit? There is plenty of meat on those to get Ludicrous Comp=
ression.=C2=A0
Bob
On Dec 6, 2021, at 20:58, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
=EF=BB=BF
I=E2=80=99ve found the GT6 head has some thin spots and depending on the ca=
sting can=E2=80=99t take milling too much more than 11.5 to 1, maybe 12 if =
you get lucky with the right casting. =C2=A0As to the lore that circle B he=
ads are the best, I have not found that to be correct in this respect. =C2=
=A0Seems like they are all over the map.The rest has to come from domed pis=
tons, which I have not yet tried, so there=E2=80=99s probably some more HP =
to be found. =C2=A0Before you mill a head, find a shop that can =E2=80=9Cxr=
ay=E2=80=9D it for you to tell you how thick the metal is above the cooling=
passages. =C2=A0When I had this done, they just marked the thickness direc=
tly on the head with a market. =C2=A0If memory serves, one of the thinnest =
spots is not quite outside the fire ring on the head gasket near #1. =C2=A0=
I had one fail there that got milled 50/thousandths too much.
On Dec 6, 2021, at 1:36 PM, McKearn McKearn via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wr=
ote:
Now that we have the crank and rods figured out, how about we discuss makin=
g compression?=C2=A0I know this can be a sore subject and everyone has an o=
pinion as to how much is enough or too much so where do we start?=C2=A0I ha=
ve built a couple TR6 engines that were in the 13:1 range thanks to much he=
ad milling and pop up pistons. Will the 2.0 litre engine be the same ?=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks.=C2=A0 P.J._=
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lack;"><div style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10=
pt; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f; font-size: 10pt; color: black;">If it helps, please find attached an Exc=
el spreadsheet that calculates both the current compression ratio as well a=
s the head volume needed to get the compression ratio you want. Just =
put the dimensions in the yellow highlighted cells. If running a pop =
up piston, you will need to determine the volume of the pup up above the no=
rmal piston crown surface. The spreadsheet as attached has dimensions=
for a slightly modified TR4 with flat top pistons. I hope this is se=
lf explanatory.</div><div style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;=
font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: arial,helve=
tica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><br></div><div style=3D"fo=
nt-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data=
-mce-style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; col=
or: black;">Regards,</div><div style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: arial,=
helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><br></div><div style=
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" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10p=
t; color: black;">Phil Gott<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: =
Chuck Gee via Fot <fot@autox.team.net><br>To: Bob Bownes -Seiri <b=
ownes@seiri.com><br>Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot@autox.team.=
net><br>Sent: Mon, Dec 6, 2021 10:51 pm<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] Compressio=
n<br><br></div><div id=3D"yiv0152095042"><div>Yes they will, but that isn=
=E2=80=99t really the problem. The extra stroke of the TR6 motor make=
s building compression easy. The 2L motor is a little more challengin=
g because of the shorter stroke. You just can=E2=80=99t shave enough =
off the head to get really high compression without getting into the water =
passages. Pop ups are necessary to maximize compression.<br clear=3D"=
none"><br clear=3D"none"><div dir=3D"ltr">Chuck</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div =
id=3D"yiv0152095042yqtfd41027" class=3D"yiv0152095042yqt5940126276"><br cle=
ar=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Dec 6, 2021, at 6:40 PM, Bob Bowne=
s -Seiri via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br cl=
ear=3D"none"></blockquote></div></div><div id=3D"yiv0152095042yqtfd13330" c=
lass=3D"yiv0152095042yqt5940126276"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"l=
tr">=EF=BB=BF</div></blockquote></div></div><div id=3D"yiv0152095042yqtfd97=
107" class=3D"yiv0152095042yqt5940126276"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">Hmm,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">Will a TR6 head fit? There is plenty of meat on those to get Ludicrou=
s Compression. </div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr">Bob</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"=
cite">On Dec 6, 2021, at 20:58, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot@autox.team.net=
> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote></div><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF</div></blockquote></div></div=
><div><div id=3D"yiv0152095042yqtfd38264" class=3D"yiv0152095042yqt59401262=
76">I=E2=80=99ve found the GT6 head has some thin spots and depending on th=
e casting can=E2=80=99t take milling too much more than 11.5 to 1, maybe 12=
if you get lucky with the right casting. As to the lore that circle =
B heads are the best, I have not found that to be correct in this respect. =
Seems like they are all over the map.<div class=3D"yiv0152095042">The=
rest has to come from domed pistons, which I have not yet tried, so there=
=E2=80=99s probably some more HP to be found. </div><div class=3D"yiv=
0152095042">Before you mill a head, find a shop that can =E2=80=9Cxray=E2=
=80=9D it for you to tell you how thick the metal is above the cooling pass=
ages. When I had this done, they just marked the thickness directly o=
n the head with a market. If memory serves, one of the thinnest spots=
is not quite outside the fire ring on the head gasket near #1. I had=
one fail there that got milled 50/thousandths too much.</div><div class=3D=
"yiv0152095042"><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0152095042"></div><div class=
=3D"yiv0152095042"><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0152095042"><div><br clea=
r=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0152095042"><div class=3D"yiv0152095042">On Dec 6, 2=
021, at 1:36 PM, McKearn McKearn via Fot <<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener no=
referrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_b=
lank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; class=3D"yiv0152095042">fot@autox.=
team.net</a>> wrote:</div><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0152095042Apple=
-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"yiv0152095042"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"yiv0152095042">Now that we have the crank and rods figured out, how abo=
ut we discuss making compression?<div class=3D"yiv0152095042"> I know =
this can be a sore subject and everyone has an opinion as to how much is en=
ough or too much so where do we start?</div><div class=3D"yiv0152095042">&n=
bsp;I have built a couple TR6 engines that were in the 13:1 range thanks to=
much head milling and pop up pistons. Will the 2.0 litre engine be the sam=
e ?</div><div class=3D"yiv0152095042"> &n=
bsp; =
Thanks. P.J.</div></div>
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