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Re: [Fot] Compression

To: Bob Bownes -Seiri <bownes@seiri.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Compression
From: Chuck Gee via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 19:51:22 -0800
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Yes they will, but that isn=E2=80=99t really the problem.  The extra stroke o=
f the TR6 motor makes building compression easy.  The 2L motor is a little m=
ore challenging because of the shorter stroke.  You just can=E2=80=99t shave=
 enough off the head to get really high compression without getting into the=
 water passages.  Pop ups are necessary to maximize compression.

Chuck

> On Dec 6, 2021, at 6:40 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>=
 wrote:
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> Hmm,
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> Will a TR6 head fit? There is plenty of meat on those to get Ludicrous Com=
pression.=20
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> Bob
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>>> On Dec 6, 2021, at 20:58, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrot=
e:
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>> =EF=BB=BFI=E2=80=99ve found the GT6 head has some thin spots and dependin=
g on the casting can=E2=80=99t take milling too much more than 11.5 to 1, ma=
ybe 12 if you get lucky with the right casting.  As to the lore that circle B=
 heads are the best, I have not found that to be correct in this respect.  S=
eems like they are all over the map.
>> The rest has to come from domed pistons, which I have not yet tried, so t=
here=E2=80=99s probably some more HP to be found. =20
>> Before you mill a head, find a shop that can =E2=80=9Cxray=E2=80=9D it fo=
r you to tell you how thick the metal is above the cooling passages.  When I=
 had this done, they just marked the thickness directly on the head with a m=
arket.  If memory serves, one of the thinnest spots is not quite outside the=
 fire ring on the head gasket near #1.  I had one fail there that got milled=
 50/thousandths too much.
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>> On Dec 6, 2021, at 1:36 PM, McKearn McKearn via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> w=
rote:
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>> Now that we have the crank and rods figured out, how about we discuss mak=
ing compression?
>>  I know this can be a sore subject and everyone has an opinion as to how m=
uch is enough or too much so where do we start?
>>  I have built a couple TR6 engines that were in the 13:1 range thanks to m=
uch head milling and pop up pistons. Will the 2.0 litre engine be the same ?=

>>                                       Thanks.  P.J.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Yes they will, but that isn=E2=80=99t reall=
y the problem. &nbsp;The extra stroke of the TR6 motor makes building compre=
ssion easy. &nbsp;The 2L motor is a little more challenging because of the s=
horter stroke. &nbsp;You just can=E2=80=99t shave enough off the head to get=
 really high compression without getting into the water passages. &nbsp;Pop u=
ps are necessary to maximize compression.<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Chuck</div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Dec 6, 2021, at 6:40 PM, B=
ob Bownes -Seiri via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquo=
te></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equi=
v=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hmm,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
Will a TR6 head fit? There is plenty of meat on those to get Ludicrous Compr=
ession.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Dec 6, 2021, at 20:58, Scott J=
anzen via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Conten=
t-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">I=E2=80=99ve found the GT6 he=
ad has some thin spots and depending on the casting can=E2=80=99t take milli=
ng too much more than 11.5 to 1, maybe 12 if you get lucky with the right ca=
sting. &nbsp;As to the lore that circle B heads are the best, I have not fou=
nd that to be correct in this respect. &nbsp;Seems like they are all over th=
e map.<div class=3D"">The rest has to come from domed pistons, which I have n=
ot yet tried, so there=E2=80=99s probably some more HP to be found. &nbsp;</=
div><div class=3D"">Before you mill a head, find a shop that can =E2=80=9Cxr=
ay=E2=80=9D it for you to tell you how thick the metal is above the cooling p=
assages. &nbsp;When I had this done, they just marked the thickness directly=
 on the head with a market. &nbsp;If memory serves, one of the thinnest spot=
s is not quite outside the fire ring on the head gasket near #1. &nbsp;I had=
 one fail there that got milled 50/thousandths too much.</div><div class=3D"=
"><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><d=
iv class=3D"">On Dec 6, 2021, at 1:36 PM, McKearn McKearn via Fot &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:=
</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"lt=
r" class=3D"">Now that we have the crank and rods figured out, how about we d=
iscuss making compression?<div class=3D"">&nbsp;I know this can be a sore su=
bject and everyone has an opinion as to how much is enough or too much so wh=
ere do we start?</div><div class=3D"">&nbsp;I have built a couple TR6 engine=
s that were in the 13:1 range thanks to much head milling and pop up pistons=
. Will the 2.0 litre engine be the same ?</div><div class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;=
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp=
; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Thanks.&nbsp; P.J.</div></div>
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