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Thanks guys, all the responses to the group and me individually are very h=
elpful and appreciated.=C2=A0 My responses and summary:
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- I already suspected the sensor or gauge were inaccurate, after your re=
sponses I'm even more confident that's what's going on.=C2=A0 I will be sna=
king a thermocouple down the dip stick tube right after shut down to get a =
comparison reading.=C2=A0 If needed, I might also put the sensor in boiling=
water to test accuracy.=C2=A0 One idea suggested is that if I have a 10V g=
auge hooked up to 12V it could give a 20% higher reading therefore 290 degr=
ees is actually 232 degrees.=C2=A0 Y'all have no shortage of ideas I never =
thought of.
- I will take your collective advice and add an oil cooler and high flow=
thermostat to allow the oil when cold to reach temperature.=C2=A0 My previ=
ous FP Spitfire didn't need one as it ran too cool with a huge cross flow r=
adiator even with the fan off (only used the fan on the grid).=C2=A0 I gues=
s TR3's are a different animal.
- There is no oil return line from supercharger near the oil temp sensor=
.=C2=A0 I think that was the question from Mike H.
- I will be removing the supercharger and going back to SU's... at the s=
ame time that I raise the compression and maybe swap to a lumpier cam.=C2=
=A0 But that won't happen until after a race weekend or two, CVAR Authentic=
ity Steward is giving me time to get compliant.=C2=A0 I don't want to give =
up the supercharger power until I can gain at least some of it back!=C2=A0=
=C2=A0
Thanks,
Dusty Nicholson
1955 TR3 #72
1957 TR3 #43
On Wednesday, August 25, 2021, 02:56:25 PM CDT, Barr, Scott <sbarr@mcca=
rty-law.com> wrote: =20
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Hear, hear!=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t believe the gauge if you=E2=80=99re getti=
ng 170 measuring the pan and the pan is where the sender is for the oil tem=
p.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99d try a new sender and a new gauge before I tore it all =
apart.
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=C2=A0
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And you said it=E2=80=99s a race car not a street car??=C2=A0=C2=A0 Did no =
one else say =E2=80=9Cwait=E2=80=A6..supercharger??=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 I=E2=80=
=99m not one of those originality over all guys, and think a supercharger o=
n a race car is a cool addition.
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=C2=A0
=20
Scott (B.)
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=C2=A0
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From: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf OfDoug Mitchell via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 12:57 PM
To: dustin nicholson <nicholsondustin@yahoo.com>
Cc: FOT Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil temp
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=C2=A0
=20
Looking at the problem from another point of view, I would question the acc=
uracy of the gauge. If you are seeing a 120 degree difference, something is=
n't right. Is the guage mechanical or electrical? If it is electrical, ther=
e could be a mismatch between the sensor and the guage. I'd try another gua=
ge if you have one.
=20
=C2=A0
=20
On Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 12:51 PM dustin nicholson via Fot <fot@autox.team.net=
> wrote:
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Amici,
=20
=C2=A0
=20
I'm sorting out a new to me race car and don't like that the oil temperatur=
e gauge reads around 290 degrees.=C2=A0 I've never had an oil temp gauge on=
previous cars so I'm not sure what's normal (240?) but 290 seems high to m=
e.=C2=A0 Yes?
=20
=C2=A0
=20
More temp info:=C2=A0 Air temp is near 100 degrees.=C2=A0 Water temp is ste=
ady 185 degrees.=C2=A0 Big aluminum radiator with electric fan.=C2=A0 No oi=
l cooler.=C2=A0 Oil temp sensor is in the aluminum finned oil pan.=C2=A0 IR=
temp gun says the outside of the pan is 170 degrees.=C2=A0 Maybe the oil t=
emp gauge is wrong?=C2=A0 I wouldn't expect such a big difference between t=
he outside of the pan and the oil temp.
=20
=C2=A0
=20
Engine info:=C2=A0 mild engine, stock compression, fast road cam (270 is my=
guess), supercharger with the medium size pully, pump gas
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=C2=A0
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Maybe I'm worrying about nothing.=C2=A0 I just know that racing in 2 weeks =
at Eagles Canyon in Texas is going to be hot and I want to make it through =
the weekend.
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=C2=A0
=20
Thanks,
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=C2=A0
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Dusty Nicholson
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1955 TR3 #72
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1957 TR3 #43
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<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-s=
etdir=3D"false" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: times new roman,=
new york, times, serif;">Thanks guys, all the responses to the group and m=
e individually are very helpful and appreciated. My responses and sum=
mary:</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0,=
0); font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif;"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family=
: times new roman, new york, times, serif;"><ul dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"=
false"><li>I already suspected the sensor or gauge were inaccurate, after y=
our responses I'm even more confident that's what's going on. I will =
be snaking a thermocouple down the dip stick tube right after shut down to =
get a comparison reading. If needed, I might also put the sensor in b=
oiling water to test accuracy. One idea suggested is that if I have a=
10V gauge hooked up to 12V it could give a 20% higher reading therefore 29=
0 degrees is actually 232 degrees. Y'all have no shortage of ideas I =
never thought of.</li><li>I will take your collective advice and add an oil=
cooler and high flow thermostat to allow the oil when cold to reach temper=
ature. My previous FP Spitfire didn't need one as it ran too cool wit=
h a huge cross flow radiator even with the fan off (only used the fan on th=
e grid). I guess TR3's are a different animal.</li><li>There is no oi=
l return line from supercharger near the oil temp sensor. I think tha=
t was the question from Mike H.</li><li>I will be removing the supercharger=
and going back to SU's... at the same time that I raise the compression an=
d maybe swap to a lumpier cam. But that won't happen until after a ra=
ce weekend or two, CVAR Authenticity Steward is giving me time to get compl=
iant. I don't want to give up the supercharger power until I can gain=
at least some of it back! </li></ul><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdi=
r=3D"false">Thanks,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); f=
ont-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif;"><div style=3D"color: =
rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;=
"><p class=3D"ydp8d94e32byiv4161111718MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: New serif;">Dusty Nicholson</span></p></div><div style=
=3D"color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, =
sans-serif;"><p class=3D"ydp8d94e32byiv4161111718MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
font-size: 10pt; font-family: New serif;">1955 TR3 #72</span></p></div><div=
style=3D"color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, A=
rial, sans-serif;"><p class=3D"ydp8d94e32byiv4161111718MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: New serif;">1957 TR3 #43</span></p></di=
v></div></div><br></div><div><br></div>
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ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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On Wednesday, August 25, 2021, 02:56:25 PM CDT, Barr, S=
cott <sbarr@mccarty-law.com> wrote:
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<div class=3D"ydp9ca8db95yiv4161111718WordSection1">
<p class=3D"ydp9ca8db95yiv4161111718MsoNormal">Hear, hear! I don=E2=
=80=99t believe the gauge if you=E2=80=99re getting 170 measuring the pan a=
nd the pan is where the sender is for the oil temp. I=E2=80=99d try a=
new sender and a new gauge before I tore it all apart.</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp9ca8db95yiv4161111718MsoNormal"> </p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp9ca8db95yiv4161111718MsoNormal">And you said it=E2=80=99s a =
race car not a street car?? Did no one else say =E2=80=9Cwait=
=E2=80=A6..supercharger??=E2=80=9D I=E2=80=99m not one of those origi=
nality over all guys, and think a supercharger on a race car is a cool addi=
tion.</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp9ca8db95yiv4161111718MsoNormal"> </p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp9ca8db95yiv4161111718MsoNormal">Scott (B.)</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp9ca8db95yiv4161111718MsoNormal"> </p>=20
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61111718yqt73150"><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;=
padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"ydp9ca8db95yiv4161111718MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Fot <fot-bou=
nces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Doug Mitchell via Fot<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 25, 2021 12:57 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> dustin nicholson <nicholsondustin@yahoo.com><br clear=3D"n=
one">
<b>Cc:</b> FOT Triumph <fot@autox.team.net><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Oil temp</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp9ca8db95yiv4161111718MsoNormal"> </p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp9ca8db95yiv4161111718MsoNormal">Looking at the problem from =
another point of view, I would question the accuracy of the gauge. If you a=
re seeing a 120 degree difference, something isn't right. Is the guage mech=
anical or electrical? If it is electrical, there could be
a mismatch between the sensor and the guage. I'd try another guage if you =
have one.</p>=20
</div>
<p class=3D"ydp9ca8db95yiv4161111718MsoNormal"> </p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"ydp9ca8db95yiv4161111718MsoNormal">On Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 12:51 =
PM dustin nicholson via Fot <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.=
team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wro=
te:</p>=20
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n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;">
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<p class=3D"ydp9ca8db95yiv4161111718MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:New serif;">Amici,</span></p>=20
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0pt;font-family:New serif;"> </span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp9ca8db95yiv4161111718MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:New serif;">I'm sorting out a new to me race car and don't =
like that the oil temperature gauge reads around 290 degrees. I've ne=
ver had an oil temp gauge on previous cars so I'm not
sure what's normal (240?) but 290 seems high to me. Yes?</span></p>=
=20
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0pt;font-family:New serif;"> </span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp9ca8db95yiv4161111718MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:New serif;">More temp info: Air temp is near 100 degr=
ees. Water temp is steady 185 degrees. Big aluminum radiator wi=
th electric fan. No oil cooler. Oil temp sensor is in the alumi=
num
finned oil pan. IR temp gun says the outside of the pan is 170 degre=
es. Maybe the oil temp gauge is wrong? I wouldn't expect such a=
big difference between the outside of the pan and the oil temp.</span></p>=
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0pt;font-family:New serif;"> </span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp9ca8db95yiv4161111718MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:New serif;">Engine info: mild engine, stock compressi=
on, fast road cam (270 is my guess), supercharger with the medium size pull=
y, pump gas</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp9ca8db95yiv4161111718MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:New serif;"> </span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp9ca8db95yiv4161111718MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:New serif;">Maybe I'm worrying about nothing. I just =
know that racing in 2 weeks at Eagles Canyon in Texas is going to be hot an=
d I want to make it through the weekend.</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp9ca8db95yiv4161111718MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:New serif;"> </span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp9ca8db95yiv4161111718MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:New serif;">Thanks,</span></p>=20
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0pt;font-family:New serif;"> </span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp9ca8db95yiv4161111718MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
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0pt;font-family:New serif;">1957 TR3 #43</span></p>=20
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