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Re: [Fot] overfilled TR4 sump

To: Bob Kramer <rkramer56@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] overfilled TR4 sump
From: David Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:54:14 +0000 (UTC)
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Hi Bob,Makes sense on the Chevy. =C2=A0I=E2=80=99d argue that the crank is =
so far above the oil level in the TR4 pan, that it probably doesn=E2=80=99t=
 make a difference in this application, but I have no science to back up my=
 wild claims!!
-Dave G


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On Tuesday, June 15, 2021, 4:48 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer56@gmail.com> wrote:

I caught an episode of Engine Masters on the tube.=C2=A0 They had a big blo=
ck Chevy engine where=C2=A0they tested a Miloden and a Moroso oil pan.=C2=
=A0 One of the pans was a cheap=C2=A0aftermarket with baffles. and the othe=
r a high tech job with a 2 part tank, extra width, engineering screens and =
the like. Neither had a crank=C2=A0scraper. They were able to gain HP by dr=
opping the oil level to 5.5 quarts (no accusump). They played with the oil =
level to try and correct a drop in oil pressure that occured near peak powe=
r.=C2=A0 Oil pressure=C2=A0dropped like a rock and they speculated it was f=
oaming the=C2=A0oil. In the end the high tech pan versus the cheaper afterm=
arket pan added 27 HP if I remember correctly.=C2=A0=C2=A0=20
Bob Kramer

On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 2:48 PM David Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wro=
te:

Hi Tim,
Not a problem at all; before installing an accusump, I would run mine 1/2 q=
uart over to ensure constant pressure.=C2=A0 Autocrossing, I would notice p=
ressure drops (split second)=C2=A0in the corners on occasion if I did not d=
o this. =C2=A0 You are in good shape!!
Dave Gott


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On Tuesday, June 15, 2021, 2:47 PM, Tim Murphy via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>=
 wrote:


I overfilled the TR4=E2=80=99s sump by about a pint (1/4 inch on the dip st=
ick). Is this critical or can I just run it and burn off the excess at the =
track? Thanks in advance for the advice.

 =C2=A0

Anyone else going to Blackhawk this weekend?

 =C2=A0

Tim Murphy
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Hi Bob,<div>Makes sense on the Chevy. &nbsp;I=E2=80=99d argue that the cran=
k is so far above the oil level in the TR4 pan, that it probably doesn=E2=
=80=99t make a difference in this application, but I have no science to bac=
k up my wild claims!!</div><div><br></div><div>-Dave G<br><br><br><a href=
=3D"https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=3DiOS";>Sent from Yahoo Mail for i=
Phone</a><br><br><p class=3D"yahoo-quoted-begin" style=3D"font-size: 15px; =
color: #715FFA; padding-top: 15px; margin-top: 0">On Tuesday, June 15, 2021=
, 4:48 PM, Bob Kramer &lt;rkramer56@gmail.com&gt; wrote:</p><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"iosymail"><div id=3D"yiv4814382114"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">I caught an=
 episode of Engine Masters on the tube.&nbsp; They had a big block Chevy en=
gine where&nbsp;they tested a Miloden and a Moroso oil pan.&nbsp; One of th=
e pans was a cheap&nbsp;aftermarket with baffles. and the other a high tech=
 job with a 2 part tank, extra width, engineering screens and the like. Nei=
ther had a crank&nbsp;scraper. They were able to gain HP by dropping the oi=
l level to 5.5 quarts (no accusump). They played with the oil level to try =
and correct a drop in oil pressure that occured near peak power.&nbsp; Oil =
pressure&nbsp;dropped like a rock and they speculated it was foaming the&nb=
sp;oil. In the end the high tech pan versus the cheaper aftermarket pan add=
ed 27 HP if I remember correctly.&nbsp;<div>&nbsp;=20

<br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"yiv4814382114gmail_signature" dir=3D"l=
tr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div></div></div><br clear=3D"none"></div><=
/div><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv4814382114gmail_quote"><div class=
=3D"yiv4814382114yqt6407735089" id=3D"yiv4814382114yqt77871"><div class=3D"=
yiv4814382114gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 2:48 PM David =
Gott via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" yma=
ilto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@aut=
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Hi Tim,<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Not a problem at all; before inst=
alling an accusump, I would run mine 1/2 quart over to ensure constant pres=
sure.&nbsp; Autocrossing, I would notice pressure drops (split second)&nbsp=
;in the corners on occasion if I did not do this. &nbsp; You are in good sh=
ape!!</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Dave Gott<br clear=3D"none"><=
br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer=
" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/=
?.src=3DiOS">Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone</a><br clear=3D"none"><br clea=
r=3D"none"><p style=3D"font-size:15px;color:rgb(113,95,250);padding-top:15p=
x;margin-top:0px;">On Tuesday, June 15, 2021, 2:47 PM, Tim Murphy via Fot &=
lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto=
:fot@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>f=
ot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</p><blockquote><div id=3D"yiv4814382114gma=
il-m_2446707409608902902yiv7818481106"><div><div><p>I overfilled the TR4=E2=
=80=99s sump by about a pint (1/4 inch on the dip stick). Is this critical =
or can I just run it and burn off the excess at the track? Thanks in advanc=
e for the advice.</p><p> &nbsp;</p><p>Anyone else going to Blackhawk this w=
eekend?</p><p> &nbsp;</p><p>Tim Murphy</p></div></div></div>_______________=
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