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JE Pistons are owning Pro Seal piston rings and gaskets, and maybe one can buy
JE Pistons fitted with this brand of rings. On the Pro Seal website, you can
find information about the ring services that JE Pistons is offering.
PS :Total Seal is a misleading name : most of their rings are NOT gapless.
Marcel.
Van: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
Aan: "Brad Eells" <tr4abrad@gmail.com>, "Enquiries Road, Track"
<enquiries@roadandtrack.net.au>
Cc: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
Verzonden: Vrijdag 19 maart 2021 03:48:12
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Spitfire 1300 Piston Rings
I always ran Total Seal rings in my Pinto and Celica race engines, never had a
failure
I also used special made teflon buttons to center the wrist pins, again, never
an issue from them - clips of any kind can and do fail (had 1 failure)
like so many things we try/do with our engines we all find things that work for
us - usually they work for others but, sometimes not
remember the key, "any significantly advanced technology is totally
indistinguishable from magic"
Cheers all,
Ralph
On Thursday, March 18, 2021, 09:36:45 PM CDT, Enquiries Road & Track via Fot
<fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
if JE are making pistons, surely they will supply rings???
In general, ring & piston design has improved a lot in recent decades
in most cases, you will head for a nitrided steel top ring, a steel centre ring
(possibly filled with something) and a 3-piece segmented oil ring
in many cases, they can now make a perfectly satisfactory top and second ring
at or under 1mm in thickness. Generally, the thinner it is, the lower the
friction but really thin rings require super careful honing and bed-in
best practise is to not have any slots behind the oil ring, but rather a ring
of small holes
some piston makers have all sorts of clever micro 'tricks" like anti-flutter
grooves they machine in the lands between the rings
Whomever supplies the rings will specify the final hone finish required
best practise is to use double "spiro-locks" to retain the gudgeon pin
Terry
Australia
On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 9:26 AM Brad Eells via Fot < [
mailto:fot@autox.team.net | fot@autox.team.net ] > wrote:
Hello Amici,
A discussion with my machine shop man led to some thoughts about piston ring
selection.
He recommended getting in touch with Total Seal. I of course took a look at
their website to discover a mind boggling selection of ring types.
Can any of you share your ring choices?
I will be having JE Pistons make a custom set of forged pistons for me.
I am in need of ring thickness dimensions as well. Should this come from the
factory (GT6) pistons I currently have in the car?
Your thoughts are appreciated!
Brad Eells
Chino CA
#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3
#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4
1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!
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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-seri=
f; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000"><div>JE Pistons are owning Pro Seal pis=
ton rings and gaskets, and maybe one can buy JE Pistons fitted with this br=
and of rings. On the Pro Seal website, you can find information about the r=
ing services that JE Pistons is offering.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1=
"></div><div>PS :Total Seal is a misleading name : most of their rings are =
NOT gapless.</div><div>Marcel.</div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr" data-ma=
rker=3D"__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker=3D"__HEADERS__"><b>Van: </b>"fot" <=
;fot@autox.team.net><br><b>Aan: </b>"Brad Eells" <tr4abrad@gmail.com&=
gt;, "Enquiries Road, Track" <enquiries@roadandtrack.net.au><br><b>Cc=
: </b>"fot" <fot@autox.team.net><br><b>Verzonden: </b>Vrijdag 19 maar=
t 2021 03:48:12<br><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] Spitfire 1300 Piston Rings<b=
r></div><div><br></div><div data-marker=3D"__QUOTED_TEXT__"><div class=3D"y=
dp3e5e7d0dyahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvet=
ica' , 'arial' , sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<div dir=3D"ltr">I always ran Total Seal rings in my Pinto and Celi=
ca race engines, never had a failure </div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">I also used special made teflon buttons to center the wris=
t pins, again, never an issue from them - clips of any kind can and do fail=
(had 1 failure)</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">like so m=
any things we try/do with our engines we all find things that work for us -=
usually they work for others but, sometimes not</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">remember the key, "any significantly advanced techno=
logy is totally indistinguishable from magic"</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr">Cheers all,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ralph</div><br>
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On Thursday, March 18, 2021, 09:36:45 PM CDT, Enquiries=
Road & Track via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
</div>
<br>
<br>
<div><div id=3D"ydpac21c6fdyiv2862446882"><div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">if JE are making pistons, surely they will supply rings???<div><br cle=
ar=3D"none"></div><div>In general, ring & piston design has improved a =
lot in recent decades</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>in most cases=
, you will head for a nitrided steel top ring, a steel centre ring (possibl=
y filled with something) and a 3-piece segmented oil ring</div><div><br cle=
ar=3D"none"></div><div>in many cases, they can now make a perfectly satisfa=
ctory top and second ring at or under 1mm in thickness. Generally, the thin=
ner it is, the lower the friction but really thin rings require super caref=
ul honing and bed-in</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>best practise =
is to not have any slots behind the oil ring, but rather a ring of sma=
ll holes </div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>some piston makers h=
ave all sorts of clever micro 'tricks" like anti-flutter grooves they machi=
ne in the lands between the rings</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>W=
homever supplies the rings will specify the final hone finish required</div=
><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>best practise is to use double "spiro-l=
ocks" to retain the gudgeon pin</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Ter=
ry</div><div>Australia</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div></div><br clear=
=3D"none"><div class=3D"ydpac21c6fdyiv2862446882gmail_quote"><div class=3D"=
ydpac21c6fdyiv2862446882yqt5107703797" id=3D"ydpac21c6fdyiv2862446882yqt844=
88"><div class=3D"ydpac21c6fdyiv2862446882gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, M=
ar 19, 2021 at 9:26 AM Brad Eells via Fot <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mai=
lto:fot@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noopener nofollow noopener norefe=
rrer" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"=
></div><blockquote class=3D"ydpac21c6fdyiv2862446882gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );paddin=
g-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hello Amici,<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div=
>A discussion with my machine shop man led to some thoughts about piston ri=
ng selection.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>He recommended gettin=
g in touch with Total Seal. I of course took a look at their website to dis=
cover a mind boggling selection of ring types.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"=
></div><div>Can any of you share your ring choices?</div><div><br clear=3D"=
none"></div><div>I will be having JE Pistons make a custom set of forged pi=
stons for me.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>I am in need of ring =
thickness dimensions as well. Should this come from the factory (GT6) pisto=
ns I currently have in the car?</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>You=
r thoughts are appreciated!<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div style=3D"=
font-size:12.8px"><b><font color=3D"#000000">Brad Eells</font></b></div><di=
v style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><font color=3D"#000000">Chino CA</font></b>=
</div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><font color=3D"#000000">#72 FP 196=
9 Triumph Spitfire Mk3</font></b></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><=
font color=3D"#000000">#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4</font></b></div><div style=
=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><font color=3D"#000000">1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...fo=
r the road!</font></b><br clear=3D"none"></div></div><div style=3D"font-siz=
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