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Re: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled

To: Brad Eells <tr4abrad@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
From: Dale Oesterle via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 23:22:46 -0400
Cc: FOT <fot@autox.team.net>
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The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the =E2=80=9Cor otherwise lang=
uage=E2=80=9D] hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum=
 extent the law permits.  [see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Wa=
ivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in s=
ome states cannot apply to =E2=80=9Cgross negligence=E2=80=9D).  Moreover, t=
he waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (=E2=80=9C=
releasees=E2=80=9D) on the basis that the signer =E2=80=9Cfe[lt] unsafe=E2=80=
=9D (whatever that means) at some time before any injury and still participa=
ted [or did not give notice]. This is a trial lawyer=E2=80=99s delight and, a=
t minimum, will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of t=
rial, running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff=
 pre-injury has been collected and parsed.  If you sign this, do not talk to=
 anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is on t=
he trailer and off the premises.  Other language gives a defense based on yo=
ur non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probab=
ly nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they=
 will have no choice but to escort you out. =20

Dale Oesterle
- Sent from iPad

> On May 16, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote=
:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFVARA is racing this weekend at Buttonwillow.=20
>=20
> The car count looks about half of normal.
>=20
> A variety of opinions on whether or not the event should have been held.=20=

>=20
> California has not =E2=80=98Reopened=E2=80=99...
>=20
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> w=
rote:
>>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one=
 of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read.=20
>>=20
>>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret@sbcglobal.net> w=
rote:
>>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk i=
s opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>>>=20
>>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, V=
SCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>>>=20
>>> Gary Schneider
>>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>>>=20
>>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot@auto=
x.team.net> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Can mid Ohio be far behind?
>>>=20
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>=20
>>>> On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>=
 wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>>> FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
>>>>=20
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com) <autopilot@motorsportreg.com=
>
>>>> Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
>>>> Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
>>>> To: John Styduhar <johnstydo@gmail.com>
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running t=
he annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fan=
s, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 wil=
l be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage r=
acing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, w=
e feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year...=
=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we=
 thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they=
 have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2=
021 and beyond.
>>>>=20
>>>> Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps t=
o be taken in our vintage racing machines...
>>>>=20
>>>> =20
>>>>=20
>>>> Sent for VARAC Canada to John Styduhar at johnstydo@gmail.com, subscrib=
er since May 2014 (Unsubscribe)=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Delivered by MotorsportReg.com, 121 Drivers Edge, Traverse City, Michig=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g=
., the =E2=80=9Cor otherwise language=E2=80=9D] hoping a court will scale it=
 back and apply it to the maximum extent the law permits. &nbsp;[see the las=
t section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckle=
ss or intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to =E2=80=9Cgr=
oss negligence=E2=80=9D). &nbsp;Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an i=
mmediate defense to all defendants (=E2=80=9Creleasees=E2=80=9D) on the basi=
s that the signer =E2=80=9Cfe[lt] unsafe=E2=80=9D (whatever that means) at s=
ome time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. T=
his is a trial lawyer=E2=80=99s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense c=
ounsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation ex=
penses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected=
 and parsed. &nbsp;If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) a=
bout race or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the pr=
emises. &nbsp;Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of=
 any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crum=
my hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice=
 but to escort you out. &nbsp;<div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Dale Oesterle<div>- S=
ent from iPad</div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On M=
ay 16, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Brad Eells via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote=
:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=
=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">=
VARA is racing this weekend at Buttonwillow.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>The ca=
r count looks about half of normal.</div><div><br></div><div>A variety of op=
inions on whether or not the event should have been held.&nbsp;</div><div><b=
r></div><div>California has not =E2=80=98Reopened=E2=80=99...<br><br><div di=
r=3D"ltr">Brad Eells<div>Sent from my iPhone</div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fo=
t &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D""><font size=3D"4">The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is w=
orth a review and comment by one of our&nbsp; FOT racing attorneys.&nbsp; No=
t&nbsp; your standard form we never read.&nbsp;</font></div></div><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, May 15, 2=
020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:garygret@sbcglobal.net"; t=
arget=3D"_blank">garygret@sbcglobal.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid=
 rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Hel=
vetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic Ju=
ne 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track a=
nd the race chair.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Also the=
 Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA &amp; S=
CCA participants welcome.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r">Gary Schneider</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Midwestern Council Chief Steward for=
 Blackhawk Classic<br></div><div><br></div>
       =20
        </div><div id=3D"gmail-m_8202106836114834447gmail-m_6003184057457639=
173ydpb67c6fb2yahoo_quoted_0493238517">
            <div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,A=
rial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)">
               =20
                <div>
                    On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty v=
ia Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox=
.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:
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                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"gmail-m_8202106836114834447gmail-m_600318405=
7457639173ydpb67c6fb2yiv2389832520"><div>
Can mid Ohio be far behind?<br clear=3D"none">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.=
net</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<div id=3D"gmail-m_8202106836114834447gmail-m_6003184057457639173ydpb67c6fb2=
yiv2389832520yqt59525"><div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-size:small">FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 ha=
s been canceled.</div>
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<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br clear=3D"none">
From: <strong>Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com)</strong>
<span>&lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:autopilot@motorsportreg.com"; rel=3D=
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Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled<br clear=3D"none">=

To: John Styduhar &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:johnstydo@gmail.com"; r=
el=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">johnstydo@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"no=
ne">
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<p>After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the=
 annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans,=
 we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will b=
e not be held.&nbsp; We recognize
 the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the o=
n-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do i=
s cancel and start planning for next year...&nbsp;</p>
<p>On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we t=
hank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they h=
ave shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 202=
1 and beyond.</p>
<p>Stay healthy and safe.&nbsp; There are better days to come, many more lap=
s to be taken in our vintage racing machines...</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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