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Subject: Re: [Fot] Roll cage
From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 18:16:21 +0000 (UTC)
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Tony...=C2=A0Your caveat reminds me of an issue VSCDA had=C2=A0in the mid-1=
980s. =E2=80=9CJust because you can afford a Ford GT40, does not mean you c=
an drive one.=E2=80=9D We trashed two or three of them at Road America at o=
ne event.=C2=A0

While I stand in awe of those able to do all of their own work satisfactori=
ly, I always tried to hire an expert to do mine,=C2=A0and I would do the th=
ings I was good at to earn the money to pay them.
Bill Dentinger=C2=A0
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Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com
 On=C2=A0Friday, January 3, 2020,=C2=A0Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot=C2=A0<=
fot@autox.team.net>=C2=A0wrote:

If I may interject .... Roll-bars !
Leave this job to a professional. A correctly designed and built cage / rol=
l bar will pay dividends down the road not only in safety but chassis =C2=
=A0rigidity and aesthetics.
Every Racing organization has there own guidelines/ rules ie CSRG requires =
a maximum of 6 points and absolutely nothing forward of the firewall .... s=
o read your local rules and consult with the technical people within that o=
rganization. Start with Svra !=C2=A0
Just because you own a welder - doesn=E2=80=99t make you a welder.
Tony =C2=A0GarmeyWww.horizonracing.com
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 3, 2020, at 8:21 AM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrot=
e:


You can find vintage racing rules for most clubs on their website (VRG, SVR=
A, VDCA, etc).=C2=A0 Some club rules may vary from SCCA. like no rollbar fo=
r period correct classes.=C2=A0=C2=A0
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mike Jackson via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wr=
ote:

You can download the SCCA "General Competition Rules" for free from their w=
ebsite.
I simply can not imagine any organization having roll cage rules any more s=
trict.
While the entire GCR is simply huge, the section on roll cages is but a few=
 pages.


-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
>Sent: Jan 3, 2020 9:06 AM
>To: fot@autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Roll cage
>
>So one of my top priorities back when I was actively racing Killer was=20
>getting a decent roll cage.=C2=A0 All I had was a single hoop ( too tall )=
=20
>with some back braces.=C2=A0 It was an off the shelf Autopower or some suc=
h=20
>brand.=C2=A0 FIne for autocrossing, but worried me on track with other car=
s,=20
>most of which were about twice the weight of the little Spit.
>
>Are there some rule books with current roll cage specs available for=20
>purchase from various sanctioning groups which I could buy without=20
>having to pay a full annual membership?=C2=A0 I'm still waffling about whi=
ch=20
>group would be best for me given my location in Utah.
>
>mjb.
>
>
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Tony...<div>&nbsp;</div><div>Your caveat reminds me of an issue VSCDA had&n=
bsp;in the mid-1980s. =E2=80=9CJust because you can afford a Ford GT40, doe=
s not mean you can drive one.=E2=80=9D We trashed two or three of them at R=
oad America at one event.&nbsp;<br><br>While I stand in awe of those able t=
o do all of their own work satisfactorily, I always tried to hire an expert=
 to do mine,&nbsp;and I would do the things I was good at to earn the money=
 to pay them.</div><div><br></div><div>Bill Dentinger&nbsp;<br><div id=3D"_=
_aol_mail_signature__"><div style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue-Light;color:=
#949494;font-size:11px;">Sent from AOL Mobile Mail<br>Get the new AOL app: =
<a style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue-Light;font-size:11px;" href=3D"http:/=
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<br><div class=3D"aolmail_replyHeader">
    On&nbsp;Friday, January 3, 2020,&nbsp;Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot&nbs=
p;&lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;&nbsp;wrote:
</div><br>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 9px;padding:0 0 0 9px;"><div id=3D"yiv366=
7755584"><div>
If I may interject .... Roll-bars !
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Leave this job to a professional. A correctly designed and built cage =
/ roll bar will pay dividends down the road not only in safety but chassis =
&nbsp;rigidity and aesthetics.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Every Racing organization has there own guidelines/ rules ie CSRG requ=
ires a maximum of 6 points and absolutely nothing forward of the firewall .=
... so read your local rules and consult with the technical people within t=
hat organization. Start with Svra
 !&nbsp;</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Just because you own a welder - doesn=E2=80=99t make you a welder.</di=
v>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
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<div>Tony &nbsp;Garmey</div>
<div><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://Ww=
w.horizonracing.com">Www.horizonracing.com</a></div>
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<div id=3D"yiv3667755584AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div>
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On Jan 3, 2020, at 8:21 AM, John Styduhar via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" s=
hape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=
=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"yiv3667755584gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;">You ca=
n find vintage racing rules for most clubs on their website (VRG, SVRA, VDC=
A, etc).&nbsp; Some club rules may vary from SCCA. like no rollbar for peri=
od correct classes.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div class=3D"yiv3667755584gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"yiv3667755584gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9=
:12 AM Mike Jackson via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.t=
eam.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">
You can download the SCCA "General Competition Rules" for free from their w=
ebsite.<br clear=3D"none">
I simply can not imagine any organization having roll cage rules any more s=
trict.<br clear=3D"none">
While the entire GCR is simply huge, the section on roll cages is but a few=
 pages.<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ym=
ailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@au=
tox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;Sent: Jan 3, 2020 9:06 AM<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;To: <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team=
.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.n=
et</a><br clear=3D"none">
&gt;Subject: Re: [Fot] Roll cage<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;So one of my top priorities back when I was actively racing Killer was =
<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;getting a decent roll cage.&nbsp; All I had was a single hoop ( too tal=
l ) <br clear=3D"none">
&gt;with some back braces.&nbsp; It was an off the shelf Autopower or some =
such <br clear=3D"none">
&gt;brand.&nbsp; FIne for autocrossing, but worried me on track with other =
cars, <br clear=3D"none">
&gt;most of which were about twice the weight of the little Spit.<br clear=
=3D"none">
&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;Are there some rule books with current roll cage specs available for <b=
r clear=3D"none">
&gt;purchase from various sanctioning groups which I could buy without <br =
clear=3D"none">
&gt;having to pay a full annual membership?&nbsp; I'm still waffling about =
which <br clear=3D"none">
&gt;group would be best for me given my location in Utah.<br clear=3D"none"=
>
&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;mjb.<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
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