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To: David Gott <triumphsix@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing
From: Tony Drews via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 13:01:44 -0600
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I didn't spin but I did lock up one rear wheel with a Detroit Locker 
diff.  Large bang, it didn't like that.  Detroit Locker was OK, but the 
one way clutch / roller arrangement in the OD broke into multiple 
pieces.  What's funny is that it still worked perfectly.  I had some 
debris fall out later when I changed the tranny oil so I took the OD 
apart and the inner part of the one way roller assembly came out in 3 or 
4 pieces.

Cheers, Tony

On 12/24/2019 12:49 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote:
> Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it wonâ??t do, what happens 
> if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged?   Probably my biggest 
> concern for running one of these in a race car...   I was thinking Iâ??d 
> use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised 
> now that I bring up that question.   Has anyone ever spun and rolled 
> backwards, with OD engaged?
>
> Dave G
>
>
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> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake 
> <gblake58tr3@icloud.com> wrote:
>
>     If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the
>     accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi.
>
>     Sent from my iPhone
>
>>     On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot
>>     <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>      I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2â?? electric
>>     drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission.
>>      (Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th
>>     gear.   I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350
>>     psi, so Iâ??ll have to shim the spring I guess.
>>
>>     Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not
>>     have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; Iâ??m
>>     assuming this might be an issue?  Or would a load coax the OD to
>>     releasing as appropriate?
>>
>>     Hopefully I donâ??t hijack your thread too much!
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>     Dave Gott
>>     62 TR4 (â??Aâ?? type on the bench)
>>
>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
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>>
>>     On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot
>>     <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>         I have tested overdrives like this for years.  My drive motor
>>         only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output
>>         shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be
>>         spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed.
>>         Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in
>>         the wrong direction.
>>
>>         Jack
>>
>>         On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco
>>         via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>         Merry Christmas
>>         Quick Question
>>         A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by
>>         back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a
>>         pulley and electric motor.
>>         I've seen this done by spinning the transmission INPUT shaft
>>         with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear.
>>         Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning
>>         clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it
>>         lock up the overdrive?
>>         Thanks in advance
>>         Glenn
>>
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    <p>I didn't spin but I did lock up one rear wheel with a Detroit
      Locker diff.  Large bang, it didn't like that.  Detroit Locker was
      OK, but the one way clutch / roller arrangement in the OD broke
      into multiple pieces.  What's funny is that it still worked
      perfectly.  I had some debris fall out later when I changed the
      tranny oil so I took the OD apart and the inner part of the one
      way roller assembly came out in 3 or 4 pieces.</p>
    <p>Cheers, Tony<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/24/2019 12:49 PM, David Gott via
      Fot wrote:<br>
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      Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it wonâ??t do, what
      happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged?   Probably
      my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car...   I
      was thinking Iâ??d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think
      that is ill advised now that I bring up that question.   Has
      anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged?
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Dave G<br>
        <br>
        <br>
        <a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS";
          moz-do-not-send="true">Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone</a><br>
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        <p class="yahoo-quoted-begin" style="font-size: 15px; color:
          #715FFA; padding-top: 15px; margin-top: 0">On Tuesday,
          December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:gblake58tr3@icloud.com";>&lt;gblake58tr3@icloud.com&gt;</a> 
wrote:</p>
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            <div>If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming
              the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi. <br
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              <div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
              <div dir="ltr"><br clear="none">
                <blockquote type="cite">On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM,
                  David Gott via Fot <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>&lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;</a> wrote:<br
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                <div dir="ltr">
                  I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2â??
                  electric drill on the input shaft and turning the
                  whole transmission.  (Make sure to spin the right
                  direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear.   I was able
                  to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so
                  Iâ??ll have to shim the spring I guess.
                  <div><br clear="none">
                  </div>
                  <div>Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me,
                    but I did not have a load on the output flange, due
                    to being on the bench; Iâ??m assuming this might be an
                    issue?  Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as
                    appropriate?</div>
                  <div><br clear="none">
                  </div>
                  <div>Hopefully I donâ??t hijack your thread too much!</div>
                  <div><br clear="none">
                  </div>
                  <div>Thanks,</div>
                  <div>Dave Gott<br clear="none">
                    62 TR4 (â??Aâ?? type on the bench)<br clear="none">
                    <br clear="none">
                    <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank"
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style="font-size:15px;color:#715FFA;padding-top:15px;margin-top:0;">On
                      Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler
                      via Fot <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>&lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;</a> wrote:</p>
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                            <div dir="ltr">I have tested overdrives like
                              this for years.  My drive motor only spins
                              in one direction, which makes sure the
                              output shaft only spins in the same
                              direction the shaft would be spinning when
                              the car is driven in a forward speed. 
                              Therefore, I don't know what would happen
                              if you spun it in the wrong direction.</div>
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                            <div dir="ltr">Jack<br clear="none">
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                                <div> On Monday, December 23, 2019,
                                  10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot
                                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>&lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;</a> wrote: </div>
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                                      <div>Merry Christmas</div>
                                      <div>Quick Question</div>
                                      <div>A friend of mine started
                                        testing his A-Type Overdrives by
                                        back spinning the output flange
                                        (to the prop shaft) with a
                                        pulley and electric motor.</div>
                                      <div>I've seen this done by
                                        spinning the transmission INPUT
                                        shaft with a pulley and electric
                                        motor but not from the rear.</div>
                                      <div>Any chance of damaging the
                                        overdrive since the overrunning
                                        clutch is only going to spin in
                                        the one direction, can it lock
                                        up the overdrive?</div>
                                      <div>Thanks in advance</div>
                                      <div>Glenn</div>
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