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Re: [Fot] squaring pads

To: ralph hansen <quikrx@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] squaring pads
From: Phil Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:27:19 -0400
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The pads wear unevenly both radially and a bit circumferentially due to diff=
erent surface speeds and friction forces. As the pads wear unevenly they =E2=
=80=9Ccock=E2=80=9D in the caliper and bind up. The more wear, the greater t=
he binding.=20
Using some sort of a device (surface grinder, drill press etc with a good du=
st collector and mask for the operator) to make the face of the friction mat=
erial parallel to the backing plate solves this issue.
Yes, this does change the surface of the pad presented to the rotor. I do no=
t change rotors as they are in good shape. Any small to microscopic irregula=
rities between the two quickly get dealt with during the first session out a=
fter squaring the pads. This would be the same as putting new pads on the ca=
r with the old rotors. Just treat the first few laps as if you are bedding i=
n new brakes, which to some extent you are (except for temperature effects).=

Different from a street machine where rust and grit take their toll in the r=
otor surface.
Phil Gott
114 TR4A

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 21, 2019, at 10:33 AM, ralph hansen via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wr=
ote:
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> not to rain on the parade but, are you turning the rotors each time to mak=
e sure they are square also? if not, you now have unmatched surfaces - in th=
e old days with good metal rotors I could see a slight advantage, these days=
 with the good pads we get, and soft rotors they wear together, you might ac=
tually get a very slight increase in surface contact due to the angles and d=
angles - and, as you machine the rotors you lose mass, the all important hea=
t sink that makes brakes work....
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> On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 07:19:46 PM CDT, Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot <=
fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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> Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning. Thanks!
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> -Marhieu
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">The pads wear unevenly both radially and a b=
it circumferentially due to different surface speeds and friction forces. As=
 the pads wear unevenly they =E2=80=9Ccock=E2=80=9D in the caliper and bind u=
p. The more wear, the greater the binding.&nbsp;<div>Using some sort of a de=
vice (surface grinder, drill press etc with a good dust collector and mask f=
or the operator) to make the face of the friction material parallel to the b=
acking plate solves this issue.</div><div>Yes, this does change the surface o=
f the pad presented to the rotor. I do not change rotors as they are in good=
 shape. Any small to microscopic irregularities between the two quickly get d=
ealt with during the first session out after squaring the pads. This would b=
e the same as putting new pads on the car with the old rotors. Just treat th=
e first few laps as if you are bedding in new brakes, which to some extent y=
ou are (except for temperature effects).</div><div>Different from a street m=
achine where rust and grit take their toll in the rotor surface.</div><div>P=
hil Gott</div><div>114 TR4A<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr=
">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jul 21, 2019, at 10:33 AM=
, ralph hansen via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.t=
eam.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><div class=3D"ydp941a9bf5yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family: Helvetic=
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y: Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" dir=3D"ltr" d=
ata-setdir=3D"false">not to rain on the parade but, are you turning the roto=
rs each time to make sure they are square also? if not, you now have unmatch=
ed surfaces - in the old days with good metal rotors I could see a slight ad=
vantage, these days with the good pads we get, and soft rotors they wear tog=
ether, you might actually get a very slight increase in surface contact due t=
o the angles and dangles - and, as you machine the rotors you lose mass, the=
 all important heat sink that makes brakes work....</div><div class=3D"ydp94=
1a9bf5yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial=
,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><br></div><div class=3D"ydp941a9bf5yahoo-styl=
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                    On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 07:19:46 PM CDT, Mathieu W. H=
uovinen via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net=
</a>&gt; wrote:
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Squaring up the pads? Please tell me more, I'm still learning=
. Thanks!</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">-Marhieu</p>
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