Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen

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Of course, there are and have been a lot of very capable people but Kas in =
the Triumph racing community. But if someone wants to learn about Triumph r=
ace cars, Kas is the most obvious source,=20
because of his books and the fact that he is even today still busy and genu=
inely interested in racing Triumphs, and of course, what he says has been p=
roven. So I would like to do justice, we have to appreciate the work of all=
 the people who tried and succeeded in making Triumphs faster and now and t=
hen really very fast,=20
Marcel=20



Van: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>=20
Aan: "tr4racing" <tr4racing@googlemail.com>=20
Cc: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>=20
Verzonden: Zaterdag 22 juni 2019 10:55:25=20
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen=20

I have to agree with Chris. Chris and I started racing about the same time =
in the german TriumphCompetition and British GT championship. I had already=
 2 years experience in the Belgian BRAVO competition. Till 2011 I had an ad=
vance over Chris and have won the Triumph competition overall in 2010 and 2=
011. But Chris was determined to beat all the other drivers, me in the firs=
t place or should I say : only me! He succeeded and in 2011 he did beat me =
for the 1st time. Where : at the Assen TT circuit, his favourite track. By =
then, I had told him all I knew about car preparation and he was working wi=
th Kas already. Zandvoort 2017 was the last time I could beat Chris : I fin=
ished 1st overall, Chris was 2nd, his engine was powerfull, but maybe there=
 was an antirollbar issue on his car. Anyway I can't beat him anymore. His =
determination, Kas helping him to the full and his experience with the TR8,=
 with wich he is competing in much faster championships, has ironed him to =
a very fast driver. From the beginning, I learned a lot from the books of K=
as and I mailed him now and then, mostly about my engine and dyno work but =
since the Assen humiliation, a week ago, Kas is helping me in the chassis d=
epartment. In there is small possibility, I will try to beat Chris once aga=
in : this is only possible if my car is better than his. But with 67 years =
old, I'll have to be in a hurry I believe,Kas can only give someone specifi=
c advice if he knows your car of course, all general information about raci=
ng Triumph cars is in his books. Chris and I had arguements over the years,=
 but we always kept talking to each other and over the years, although we a=
re different characters, mutual respect has grown. I have to add that I hav=
e great respect for his work with the TR8 : it has cost him an awful lot of=
 work and time and money and he got more than a fair share of heavy blows a=
long the way, yet he does not give up. So he is a champion!=20
I will post a lead to a video of the same race at the Assen circuit, onboar=
d of my car, but turn down the audio, because I drilled by accident in the =
microphone lead=20
Marcel.=20



Van: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>=20
Aan: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>=20
Verzonden: Zaterdag 22 juni 2019 00:03:53=20
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen=20





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Hi FOT,=20

A philosophic statement:=20

With regards to this video from Assen race track, I=E2=80=99ve got many com=
ments about, =E2=80=9Chow is your car so fast=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cwhy does i=
t handle so well=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cwhy does it brake so good=E2=80=9D, =E2=
=80=9Cwhere did you learn to drive so quick=E2=80=9D.=20

The answer is very simple.=20

Kas showed me everything.=20

I do what he suggests. I explain the problem to him and he gives the right =
answer to make my race car quick and he has also advice on how to drive and=
 how to deal with other drivers.=20

I get often the comments, that Kas knowledge is from yesterday =E2=80=93 ou=
tdated =E2=80=93 for me it is the best knowledge base I can get from someon=
e who did serious PRO motorsport and not this amateur motorsport we are bei=
ng in.=20

This means for me, everything he advises has been proved a thousand times, =
with many drivers which you can call the best of the best.=20

So who I am to know it better? Who are these other amateur drivers who say =
that they know it better?=20

Conclusion:=20

Everybody who knows =E2=80=9Cbetter=E2=80=9D has to learn the bitter lesson=
 that not listening to Kas make them losing races, wasting money and having=
 less fun.=20

Cheers=20

Chris=20




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From: Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot@autox.team.net | fot@autox.team.net=
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To: fot@autox. team. net < [ mailto:fot@autox.team.net | fot@autox.team.net=
 ] >=20
Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am=20
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen=20


Assen was really fun. The weather was largely great, all participants were =
in a good mood. Most cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a pr=
oblem at Assen).=20


After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, a failure with a pushrod damage in Race =
2, made me start from the back in Race 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast.=
 He had suffered an engine failure, but could find a replacement engine and=
 shared in race 3 with me the last row.=20





Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo and we made our way t=
hrough the strong field of cars ahead.=20





Although I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an u=
nnoticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 se=
conds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because I =
had had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the fu=
rious ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and ben=
t the steering. He did not reach the finish.=20





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--></style></div><div><br></div><div>Of course, there are and have been a l=
ot of very capable people but Kas in the Triumph racing community. But if s=
omeone wants to learn about&nbsp; Triumph race cars, Kas is the most obviou=
s source,&nbsp;</div><div>because of his books and the fact that he is even=
 today still busy and genuinely interested in racing Triumphs, and of cours=
e, what he says has been proven. So I would like to do justice, we have to =
appreciate the work of all the people who tried and succeeded in making Tri=
umphs faster and now and then really very fast,</div><div>Marcel</div><div>=
<br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><hr id=
=3D"zwchr" data-marker=3D"__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker=3D"__HEADERS__"><b>=
Van: </b>"van mulders marcel" &lt;van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be&gt;<br><b>A=
an: </b>"tr4racing" &lt;tr4racing@googlemail.com&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>"fot" &l=
t;fot@autox.team.net&gt;<br><b>Verzonden: </b>Zaterdag 22 juni 2019 10:55:2=
5<br><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen<br></div><div=
><br></div><div data-marker=3D"__QUOTED_TEXT__"><div style=3D"font-family: =
Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000"><di=
v></div><div>I have to agree with Chris. Chris and I started racing about t=
he same time  in the german TriumphCompetition and British GT championship.=
 I had already 2 years experience in the Belgian BRAVO competition. Till 20=
11 I had an advance over Chris and have won the Triumph competition overall=
 in 2010 and 2011. But Chris was determined to beat all the other drivers, =
me in the first place or should I say : only me! He succeeded and in 2011 h=
e did beat me for the 1st time. Where : at the Assen TT circuit, his favour=
ite track. By then, I had told him all I knew about car preparation and he =
was working with&nbsp; Kas already. Zandvoort 2017 was the last time I coul=
d beat Chris : I finished 1st overall, Chris was 2nd, his engine was powerf=
ull, but maybe there was an antirollbar issue on his car. Anyway I can't be=
at him anymore. His determination, Kas helping him to the full and his expe=
rience with the TR8, with wich he is competing in much faster championships=
, has ironed him to a very fast driver. From the beginning, I learned a lot=
 from the books of Kas and I mailed him now and then, mostly about my engin=
e and dyno work but since the Assen humiliation, a week ago, Kas is helping=
 me in the chassis department. In there is small possibility, I will try to=
 beat Chris once again : this is only possible if my car is better than his=
. But with 67 years old, I'll have to be in a hurry I believe,Kas can only =
give someone specific advice if he knows your car of course, all general in=
formation about racing Triumph cars is in his books. Chris and I had arguem=
ents over the years, but we always kept talking to each other and over the =
years, although we are different characters, mutual respect has grown. I ha=
ve to add that I have great respect for his work with the TR8 : it has cost=
 him an awful lot of work and time and money and he got more than a fair sh=
are of heavy blows along the way, yet he does not give up. So he is a champ=
ion!</div><div>I will post a lead to&nbsp; a video of the same race at the =
Assen circuit, onboard of my car, but turn down the audio, because I drille=
d by accident in the microphone lead</div><div>Marcel.</div><br><br><hr id=
=3D"zwchr"><div><b>Van: </b>"fot" &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;<br><b>Aan: </b=
>"fot" &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;<br><b>Verzonden: </b>Zaterdag 22 juni 201=
9 00:03:53<br><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] Triumph Competition at Assen<br><=
/div><br><div><div class=3D"WordSection1"><div><blockquote style=3D"border:=
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-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;"><div><div><div><blockquote style=3D"borde=
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0pt 0cm 5.0pt 4.8pt;"><div><div><div><blockquote style=3D"border: none; bor=
der-left: solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin: 5.0pt 0c=
m 5.0pt 4.8pt;"><div><div><div><blockquote style=3D"border: none; border-le=
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t 4.8pt;"><div><div><blockquote style=3D"margin: 5.0pt 0cm 5.0pt 11.25pt;">=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; margin-botto=
m: 12.0pt;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-ser=
if;">Hi FOT,</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: =
auto; margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.0=
pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif;">A philosophic statement:</span></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; margin-bottom: 12.0=
pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',=
sans-serif;">With regards to this video from Assen race track, I=E2=80=99ve=
 got many comments about, =E2=80=9Chow is your car so fast=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=
=9Cwhy does it handle so well=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cwhy does it brake so good=
=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cwhere did you learn to drive so quick=E2=80=9D.</span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; margin-bottom:=
 12.0pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Ar=
ial',sans-serif;">The answer is very simple.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span lang=3D=
"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif;">Kas s=
howed me everything.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-t=
op-alt: auto; margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif;">I do what he suggests. I expl=
ain the problem to him and he gives the right answer to make my race car qu=
ick and he has also advice on how to drive and how to deal with other drive=
rs.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mar=
gin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-=
family: 'Arial',sans-serif;">I get often the comments, that Kas knowledge i=
s from yesterday =E2=80=93 outdated =E2=80=93 for me it is the best knowled=
ge base I can get from someone who did serious PRO motorsport and not this =
amateur motorsport we are being in.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif;">This means fo=
r me, everything he advises has been proved a thousand times, with many dri=
vers which you can call the best of the best.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif;">So=
 who I am to know it better? Who are these other amateur drivers who say th=
at they know it better?</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margi=
n-top-alt: auto; margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font=
-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif;">Conclusion:</span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt=
: auto;"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Everybody who knows =E2=80=9Cbetter=E2=80=9D =
has to learn the bitter lesson that not listening to Kas make them losing r=
aces, wasting money and having less fun.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-=
US" style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif;">Cheers</s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; margin-bo=
ttom: 12.0pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family=
: 'Arial',sans-serif;">Chris</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-=
margin-top-alt: auto; margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D=
"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"=
mso-margin-top-alt: auto; margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span style=3D"font-size:=
 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">-----Original Mess=
age-----<br>From: Chris Marx via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.n=
et" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>To: fot@autox. team. ne=
t &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.tea=
m.net</a>&gt;<br>Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 10:22 am<br>Subject: [Fot] Triumph=
 Competition at Assen</span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-ma=
rgin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;"><span style=3D"font-size:=
 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">Assen was really f=
un. The weather was largely great, all participants were in a good mood. Mo=
st cars have kept up (which, oddly enough, is always a problem at Assen).</=
span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: aut=
o; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-fam=
ily: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">After a solid 2nd place in Race 1, =
a failure with a pushrod damage in Race 2, made me start from the back in R=
ace 3. I got help from Philippe Vermast. He had suffered an engine failure,=
 but could find a replacement engine and shared in race 3 with me the last =
row.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-al=
t: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; fo=
nt-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-=
alt: auto;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-ser=
if; color: black;">Philippe immediately took the lead in our Dynamic Duo an=
d we made our way through the strong field of cars ahead.</span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bo=
ttom-alt: auto;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',san=
s-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">Alt=
hough I was the first to cross the finish line, unfortunately I did an unno=
ticed overtaking maneuver under the Yellow Flag. So I was reset by 20 secon=
ds, on P4. Of course I'm happy for the winners on the podium, because I had=
 had so much fun in this catch-up race. Philippe had also enjoyed the furio=
us ride. Unfortunately, he touched a tire barrier in the chicane and bent t=
he steering. He did not reach the finish.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;"=
><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: =
black;">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-mar=
gin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;"><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"><a href=3D"https://=
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DuaiCLm0yvV4" target=3D"_blank">https://www.youtub=
e.com/watch?v=3DuaiCLm0yvV4</a></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
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