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All major bearing brands are and have been counterfeited. Do not think bec=
ause it's in a box from that company it's ok. Don't think because it's mark=
ed correctly that it's ok. I have seen and investigated aero engine failure=
s with bearings that are marked with our cage code and lots that trace to ac=
tual manufacturing lots. However we track serial numbers and have real ones=
service. Only buy bearings from authorised sellers or distributors. Anyth=
ing purchased through a third part is sceptical in my book=20
Sent from my iPhone
> On 30-Sep-2016, at 9:02 PM, Ashley Page <apage@prosystembrakes.com> wrote:=
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> Ive seen it in my work too, but did not realize how big a problem its beco=
me. Not only Timken but other top brands as well. Thanks Aaron.
> https://thecounterfeitreport.com/product/271/Timken-Bearings.html
> =20
> =20
> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Aaron Johnson
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 10:22 PM
> To: Jason Sukey <jsukey@gmail.com>
> Cc: FOT list <fot@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] variation in Timken carrier bearing width?
> =20
> How did you order the bearings? There is a huge counterfit bearing manu=
facturing market. I have lost count how many times over the last 6 years I=
've had to investigate them. The last set of ball bearings I bought were sk=
f but we're obviously not legitimate. I took it with me to skf on a visit a=
nd confirmed it was not made in any of their factories. =20
> =20
> If you've got concerns of counterfit bearings send me some pictures and I c=
an help.=20
> =20
> Aaron
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On 29-Sep-2016, at 10:29 PM, Jason Sukey <jsukey@gmail.com> wrote:
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> John,
> Replacing the old bearings because they were worn out. New Timken=
s seem to be the best available option.
> =20
> Jason
> =20
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:52 PM, John Styduhar <johnstydo@gmail.com> wrot=
e:
> Some of the USA-stamped Timkens even look cheap when you compare them to t=
he England-made. I wouldn't be surprised if they were made overseas. If the=
re is nothing wrong with your old bearings, why replace them?
> =20
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Jason Sukey <jsukey@gmail.com> wrote:
> Has anyone else noticed rather large variation in carrier bearing width's w=
hen rebuilding a spitfire differential? The one I'm building right now, I'v=
e replaced what I suspect are the original bearings (Timken England) with br=
and new Timken USA bearings. In order to reach the required .004" preload, i=
t will require .012" LESS total shim than what was in there originally. Tha=
t seems like a big difference with the only variable being new bearings. I'=
m using the same housing, same carrier, the bearings visually look to be ful=
ly pressed home. Anyone else experience this?
> =20
> Thanks,
> =20
> Jason Sukey
> =20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>All major bearing brands are and have b=
een counterfeited. Do not think because it's in a box from that compa=
ny it's ok. Don't think because it's marked correctly that it's ok. &n=
bsp;I have seen and investigated aero engine failures with bearings that are=
marked with our cage code and lots that trace to actual manufacturing lots.=
However we track serial numbers and have real ones service. Onl=
y buy bearings from authorised sellers or distributors. Anything purch=
ased through a third part is sceptical in my book <br><br>Sent from my i=
Phone</div><div><br>On 30-Sep-2016, at 9:02 PM, Ashley Page <<a href=3D"m=
ailto:apage@prosystembrakes.com">apage@prosystembrakes.com</a>> wrote:<br=
><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" c=
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oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",san=
s-serif;color:#1F497D">Ive seen it in my work too, but did not realize how b=
ig a problem its become. Not only Timken but other top brands as well. Thank=
s Aaron.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a href=3D=
"https://thecounterfeitreport.com/product/271/Timken-Bearings.html";>https://=
thecounterfeitreport.com/product/271/Timken-Bearings.html</a><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri=
",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style=
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class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font=
-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Fot [<a href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@=
autox.team.net">mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>A=
aron Johnson<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 29, 2016 10:22 PM<br><b>To:=
</b> Jason Sukey <<a href=3D"mailto:jsukey@gmail.com";>jsukey@gmail.com</a=
>><br><b>Cc:</b> FOT list <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@a=
utox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] variation in Timken carri=
er bearing width?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o=
:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">How did you order the bearing=
s? There is a huge counterfit bearing manufacturing market. &nb=
sp; I have lost count how many times over the last 6 years I've had to inves=
tigate them. The last set of ball bearings I bought were skf but we're=
obviously not legitimate. I took it with me to skf on a visit and con=
firmed it was not made in any of their factories. <o:p></o:p></p></div=
><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>=
</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">If you've got co=
ncerns of counterfit bearings send me some pictures and I can help. <o:=
p></o:p></p></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p=
> </o:p></p></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>Aaron<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On 29-Sep-2016, at 10:29 PM, Jason S=
ukey <<a href=3D"mailto:jsukey@gmail.com";>jsukey@gmail.com</a>> wrote:=
<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0=
pt"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">John,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"> Replacing the old bearings because they=
were worn out. New Timkens seem to be the best available option.<o:p>=
</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jason<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 29, 2016=
at 12:52 PM, John Styduhar <<a href=3D"mailto:johnstydo@gmail.com"; targe=
t=3D"_blank">johnstydo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote st=
yle=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt=
;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Some o=
f the USA-stamped Timkens even look cheap when you compare them to the Engla=
nd-made. I wouldn't be surprised if they were made overseas. If there i=
s nothing wrong with your old bearings, why replace them?<o:p></o:p></p></di=
v></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Jason Sukey <<a href=3D=
"mailto:jsukey@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">jsukey@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<=
o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid=
#CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"=
><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Has anyone else noticed rather large v=
ariation in carrier bearing width's when rebuilding a spitfire differential?=
The one I'm building right now, I've replaced what I suspect are the o=
riginal bearings (Timken England) with brand new Timken USA bearings. I=
n order to reach the required .004" preload, it will require .012" LESS tota=
l shim than what was in there originally. That seems like a big differ=
ence with the only variable being new bearings. I'm using the same hou=
sing, same carrier, the bearings visually look to be fully pressed home.&nbs=
p; Anyone else experience this?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o=
:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">Jason Sukey<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:=
p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:=
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