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Thanks for the link Tony. I guess what I take away from this is when I intr=
oduce a new part to the car make sure the gaskets actually work.=20
I always trim inside diameters to the head to remove any blockage. Since th=
e remflex gaskets were oversized at the intakes I let=20
it get by me, the stock manifold would have covered it.I've never had an in=
take leak with the stock manifolds or any other type of intake for=20
that matter so this one sort of caught me by surprise. Live & learn I guess=
, I won't make that mistake again.=20
Bill nailed the cause right off the bat. I always believe the cars will try=
to tell you what's going on but it's up to us to interpret the clues=20
they give us. Due to a limited understanding of the Webers I was looking mo=
re at the carbs as a fault than in my own assembly of the components.=20
I was able to pick up some metal core exhaust gasket material at NAPA and a=
m having good success with a hole saw and conical grinding stone chucked=20
in the drill press. Now that I know remflex makes their material in sheets =
I'll make up some spares.=20
jim=20
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Drews" <tony@tonydrews.com>=20
To: "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky@comcast.net>, "Bill Babcock" <Bill@ponostyle.c=
om>=20
Cc: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>=20
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 7:15:15 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber tuning help please=20
I make my own from the remflex material so I can cut the intake holes small=
er.=20
http://catalog.remflex.com/COLLECTOR_CONNECTOR_Flange_Exhaust_Gasket_p/gs16=
024.htm=20
Good sharp knife cuts it OK.=20
Tony=20
At 04:52 PM 5/3/2015, Jim Gray via Fot wrote:=20
Bill,=20
You were right but I don=E2=80=99t have a good solution at the moment. Only=
# 3 reacted to the carb cleaner and that suprises me a bit.=20
I have the thick remflex gaskets in there. One side of the intake manifold =
on # 3 had barely any contact with the gasket.=20
The remflex and the Moss gaskets have 1-11/16=E2=80=9D inside diameter open=
ings at the intakes. My cannon manifolds are 1-7/16=E2=80=9D=20
and the cannon=E2=80=99s don=E2=80=99t have a lot of meat for bearing surfa=
ce around the lower area=E2=80=99s around 5 o=E2=80=99clock and 7 o=E2=80=
=99clock.=20
As best I can tell though it was actually leaking on # 3 at 3 o=E2=80=99clo=
ck right next to the clamp bolt.=20
I could actually look next to the clamp bolt and see where the gap was.=20
I need to either find different gaskets with a smaller ID or make my own.=
=20
Have you, or anybody had success at making their own intake/exhaust gaskets=
from regular gasket material ?=20
jim=20
=C2=A0=20
=C2=A0=20
=C2=A0=20
From: Bill Babcock [ mailto:Bill@ponostyle.com ]=20
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 1:21 PM=20
To: Jim Gray=20
Cc: fot@autox.team.net=20
Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber tuning help please=20
=C2=A0=20
Sounds like an air leak somewhere. Perhaps it gets overcome at full throttl=
e or is worsened at those specific RPMs because of harmonics in the vibrati=
on of the carb. Might be a crack or flaw in the carb, but more likely it=E2=
=80=99s in the mounting, either O rings or some other flaw. They can be har=
d to detect and locate. You could use the carb cleaner method=C2=ADspray a =
little at each joint or suspect area and listen for changes in engine sound=
. I=E2=80=99ve used the ultrasonic detector I use for finding leaks in surf=
boards to some effect, a leak sounds like a calliope, but there=E2=80=99s a=
lot of other noise to sort it from.=20
=C2=A0=20
<blockquote>
On May 3, 2015, at 8:40 AM, Jim Gray via Fot < fot@autox.team.net > wrote:=
=20
=C2=A0=20
</blockquote>
I just installed my webers and I=E2=80=99m running into something not cover=
ed in anything I=E2=80=99ve read so far.=20
At cruise speed which I do on the street, 2500=C2=A0 -3000 RPM my exhaust g=
as temps on # 4=C2=A0 are 100 plus degrees=20
over # 1and will climb to 1400 if I stay at that throttle setting. Under wi=
de open throttle they equalize and seem=20
to settle in at about 1300.=20
However, I think this may be symptomatic of my other issue. When I=E2=80=99=
m tuning the idle air screws, open them up until=20
it starts to miss & so on, I can get a predictable stumble from three out o=
f the four screws.=20
The screw on # 3 has no effect on the idle no matter how far I run it in or=
out.=20
Also , when I put my syncrometers on #=E2=80=99s 3 and 4 they are significa=
ntly different.=20
I=E2=80=99m not going to get my dyno tune before the first race in two week=
s so I=E2=80=99m left to figure it out on my own for now.=20
Any help would be greatly appreciated,=20
Jim g=20
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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #0000=
00"><DIV aria-label=3D"Compose body">Thanks for the link Tony. I guess what=
I take away from this is when I introduce a new part to the car make sure =
the gaskets actually work.</DIV>
<DIV aria-label=3D"Compose body">I always trim inside diameters to the head=
to remove any blockage. Since the remflex gaskets were oversized at the in=
takes I let</DIV>
<DIV aria-label=3D"Compose body">it get by me, the stock manifold would hav=
e covered it.I've never had an intake leak with the stock manifolds or any =
other type of intake for </DIV>
<DIV aria-label=3D"Compose body">that matter so this one sort of caught me =
by surprise. Live & learn I guess, I won't make that mistake again.</DI=
V>
<DIV aria-label=3D"Compose body">Bill nailed the cause right off the bat. I=
always believe the cars will try to tell you what's going on but it's up t=
o us to interpret the clues</DIV>
<DIV aria-label=3D"Compose body">they give us. Due to a limited understandi=
ng of the Webers I was looking more at the carbs as a fault than in my own =
assembly of the components.</DIV>
<DIV aria-label=3D"Compose body">I was able to pick up some metal core exha=
ust gasket material at NAPA and am having good success with a hole saw and =
conical grinding stone chucked</DIV>
<DIV aria-label=3D"Compose body">in the drill press. Now that I know remfle=
x makes their material in sheets I'll make up some spares.</DIV>
<DIV aria-label=3D"Compose body">jim </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetic=
a,Arial,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000; FONT-STYLE: normal" d=
ata-mce-style=3D"color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text=
-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt=
;"><B>From: </B>"Tony Drews" <tony@tonydrews.com><BR><B>To: </B>"Jim =
Gray" <toodamnfunky@comcast.net>, "Bill Babcock" <Bill@ponostyle.c=
om><BR><B>Cc: </B>"fot" <fot@autox.team.net><BR><B>Sent: </B>Monda=
y, May 4, 2015 7:15:15 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [Fot] Weber tuning help pl=
ease<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I make my own from the remflex material so I can cut the int=
ake holes smaller.<BR><A href=3D"http://catalog.remflex.com/COLLECTOR_CONNE=
CTOR_Flange_Exhaust_Gasket_p/gs16024.htm" target=3D_blank data-mce-href=3D"=
http://catalog.remflex.com/COLLECTOR_CONNECTOR_Flange_Exhaust_Gasket_p/gs16=
024.htm">http://catalog.remflex.com/COLLECTOR_CONNECTOR_Flange_Exhaust_Gask=
et_p/gs16024.htm<BR><BR></A>Good sharp knife cuts it OK.<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Tony<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>At 04:52 PM 5/3/2015, Jim Gray via Fot wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dcite cite=3D""><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; COLOR: =
#000080" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: small; color: #000080;" color=3D"#000=
080" size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; COLOR: #000080" data-mce-s=
tyle=3D"font-size: small; color: #000080;" color=3D"#000080" size=3D"2">Bil=
l,<BR>You were right but I don=E2=80=99t have a good solution at the moment=
. Only # 3 reacted to the carb cleaner and that suprises me a bit.<BR>I hav=
e the thick remflex gaskets in there. One side of the intake manifold on # =
3 had barely any contact with the gasket.<BR>The remflex and the Moss gaske=
ts have 1-11/16=E2=80=9D inside diameter openings at the intakes. My cannon=
manifolds are 1-7/16=E2=80=9D<BR>and the cannon=E2=80=99s don=E2=80=99t ha=
ve a lot of meat for bearing surface around the lower area=E2=80=99s around=
5 o=E2=80=99clock and 7 o=E2=80=99clock.<BR>As best I can tell though it w=
as actually leaking on # 3 at 3 o=E2=80=99clock right next to the clamp bol=
t.<BR>I could actually look next to the clamp bolt and see where the gap wa=
s.<BR>I need to either find different gaskets with a smaller ID or make my =
own.<BR>Have you, or anybody had success at making their own intake/exhaust=
gaskets from regular gasket material ?<BR>jim<BR> <BR> <BR> =
;<BR></SPAN></SPAN>
<HR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma" data-mce-style=
=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma;" size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><B>F=
rom:</B> Bill Babcock [<A href=3D"mailto:Bill@ponostyle.com"; target=3D_blan=
k data-mce-href=3D"mailto:Bill@ponostyle.com";> mailto:Bill@ponostyle.com</A=
>] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 03, 2015 1:21 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Jim Gray<BR>=
<B>Cc:</B> fot@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Weber tuning hel=
p please<BR></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman, Times" data=
-mce-style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman, Times;" face=3D"Times New Roman=
, Times"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman, Times" data-mce-style=
=3D"font-family: Times New Roman, Times;" face=3D"Times New Roman, Times">&=
nbsp;<BR>Sounds like an air leak somewhere. Perhaps it gets overcome at ful=
l throttle or is worsened at those specific RPMs because of harmonics in th=
e vibration of the carb. Might be a crack or flaw in the carb, but more lik=
ely it=E2=80=99s in the mounting, either O rings or some other flaw. They c=
an be hard to detect and locate. You could use the carb cleaner method­=
spray a little at each joint or suspect area and listen for changes in engi=
ne sound. I=E2=80=99ve used the ultrasonic detector I use for finding leaks=
in surfboards to some effect, a leak sounds like a calliope, but there=E2=
=80=99s a lot of other noise to sort it from. <BR> <BR></SPAN></SPAN><=
/DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dcite cite=3D"">On May 3, 2015, at 8:40 AM, Jim Gray via=
Fot <<A href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D_blank data-mce-hre=
f=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</A>> wrote:<BR> =
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: small;" =
size=3D"2">I just installed my webers and I=E2=80=99m running into somethin=
g not covered in anything I=E2=80=99ve read so far.<BR>At cruise speed whic=
h I do on the street, 2500 -3000 RPM my exhaust gas temps on # 4 =
; are 100 plus degrees<BR>over # 1and will climb to 1400 if I stay at that =
throttle setting. Under wide open throttle they equalize and seem<BR>to set=
tle in at about 1300.<BR>However, I think this may be symptomatic of my oth=
er issue. When I=E2=80=99m tuning the idle air screws, open them up until<B=
R>it starts to miss & so on, I can get a predictable stumble from three=
out of the four screws.<BR>The screw on # 3 has no effect on the idle no m=
atter how far I run it in or out.<BR>Also , when I put my syncrometers on #=
=E2=80=99s 3 and 4 they are significantly different.<BR>I=E2=80=99m not goi=
ng to get my dyno tune before the first race in two weeks so I=E2=80=99m le=
ft to figure it out on my own for now.<BR>Any help would be greatly appreci=
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