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Great comments on the state of vintage racing. I race both SCCA (Spec Ford so
not too many modifications but sometimes a contact sport) and Vintage (TR-4A
can be real racing without contact). I am also running for the Board of CSRG
and while I doubt that there will ever be a consensus I'd like to hear more
comments on the state of vintage racing.
Ron Jacobs
Western Eagle Racing
-------------- Original message from Bill Babcock <Billb@bnj.com>:
--------------
> Actually I think Testarossas have aluminum blocks. Enzo was allergic
> to cast iron.
>
> Mosport sets it's own limits. I'd like wings, slicks and an ejection
> seat.
>
> On Oct 23, 2008, at 7:14 AM, Andre Rousseau wrote:
>
> > You forgot to recast the block in aluminium.
> > Maybe this can't be controlled.
> >
> > So maybe an option is to further sub-divid the classes?
> >
> > - Show room stock class
> > - Semi prepped class
> > - Your richer then smarter class
> >
> > And let people run what you brung.
> >
> > Kinda like the slicks and wings class at Mosport, you get a mix from
> > low end
> > neat ideas to full out ex F1 cars.
> >
> > Its a mad mad world.
> >
> > A.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2008/10/23 Bill Babcock
> >
> >> What makes you think bodies aren't already acid dipped? I'm working
> >> on that
> >> "personal lightening program"--have a weight bet going with my
> >> brother.
> >> Actually I think the most serious problem in vintage racing is more
> >> that the
> >> valuable cars can't be changed much--it would decrease their sky-high
> >> value--while specials and production racers can skirt the edge of the
> >> rulebook. That means there isn't a testarossa on the planet that
> >> can stay
> >> with Peyote, which is both silly and sad. We don't get to see them
> >> on track
> >> very often anymore--they are too valuable to risk and the owners
> >> don't like
> >> getting hammered by cars they should be able to romp over.
> >> I don't know how to fix that. Making Peyote slow won't change
> >> anything but
> >> the finish order at a few races. All the fast triumphs are rulebook-
> >> legal,
> >> more or less. Or could be without putting a serious dent in their
> >> lap times.
> >> The worst anyone is doing is running 89mm bores, and that's a
> >> tweak--not
> >> really worth much--you can get nearly the same horsepower with a 87.
> >> Pandoras box is knowledge, we all know how to make a car fast, we
> >> all have
> >> access to the learning of the last 50 years, and it goes into our
> >> cars,
> >> while testarossas are stuck in time.
> >>
> >> Of course if I had a TR the first thing I'd do would be to make a
> >> replica
> >> of the frame, only in titanium, and a carbon fibre body. Then...
> >> On Oct 23, 2008, at 5:45 AM, Andre Rousseau wrote:
> >>
> >> I guess that is the nature of racing, those with money will do what
> >> ever it
> >> costs to win.
> >>
> >> What's next acid dipping of the bodies?
> >>
> >> Frankly if I wanted to make my "future" racer lighter. I'd start with
> >> myself.
> >>
> >> A.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Andre Rousseau - andre@gt6.ca
> >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
> >> Ottawa, ON, Canada
> >>
> >> 2008/10/23
> >>
> >> Good Morning
> >>
> >>
> >> What I am observing is that some vintage racing groups are
> >> going
> >>
> >> down the same path as CanAm and FI by allowing expensive
> >> modifications to
> >>
> >> take
> >>
> >> place. Is there really a need to have Kevlar bodywork on a
> >> Spitfire or TR6
> >>
> >> in
> >>
> >> vintage racing?
> >>
> >>
> >> It has always struck me as rather hypocritical that vintage
> >> groups
> >>
> >> wanted owners to use pre 1972 body specification and have the true
> >>
> >> appearance
> >>
> >> of post 1972 cars destroyed. Now we are putting Kevlar replacement
> >> panels
> >>
> >> to
> >>
> >> look like pre 1972 cars.
> >>
> >>
> >> I have to wonder why the people doing these modifications are
> >> not
> >>
> >> instead running SCCA. I am just as guilty as the next person here,
> >> our
> >>
> >> engines
> >>
> >> are too modified. They are nothing like what was raced in the
> >> 1970s and
> >>
> >> earlier.
> >>
> >>
> >> Vintage may be making itself too expensive too.
> >>
> >>
> >> Baseball Dad
> >>
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> >
> > --
> > Andre Rousseau - andre@gt6.ca
> > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
> > Ottawa, ON, Canada
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