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Re: [Fot] State of Vintage Racing

To: "Andre Rousseau" <andre@gt6.ca>
Subject: Re: [Fot] State of Vintage Racing
From: Bill Babcock <Billb@bnj.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 07:33:44 -0700
Actually I think Testarossas have aluminum blocks. Enzo was allergic  
to cast iron.

Mosport sets it's own limits. I'd like wings, slicks and an ejection  
seat.

On Oct 23, 2008, at 7:14 AM, Andre Rousseau wrote:

> You forgot to recast the block in aluminium.
> Maybe this can't be controlled.
>
> So maybe an option is to further sub-divid the classes?
>
> - Show room stock class
> - Semi prepped class
> - Your richer then smarter class
>
> And let people run what you brung.
>
> Kinda like the slicks and wings class at Mosport, you get a mix from  
> low end
> neat ideas to full out ex F1 cars.
>
> Its a mad mad world.
>
> A.
>
>
>
>
>
> 2008/10/23 Bill Babcock <Billb@bnj.com>
>
>> What makes you think bodies aren't already acid dipped? I'm working  
>> on that
>> "personal lightening program"--have a weight bet going with my  
>> brother.
>> Actually I think the most serious problem in vintage racing is more  
>> that the
>> valuable cars can't be changed much--it would decrease their sky-high
>> value--while specials and production racers can skirt the edge of the
>> rulebook. That means there isn't a testarossa on the planet that  
>> can stay
>> with Peyote, which is both silly and sad. We don't get to see them  
>> on track
>> very often anymore--they are too valuable to risk and the owners  
>> don't like
>> getting hammered by cars they should be able to romp over.
>> I don't know how to fix that. Making Peyote slow won't change  
>> anything but
>> the finish order at a few races. All the fast triumphs are rulebook- 
>> legal,
>> more or less. Or could be without putting a serious dent in their  
>> lap times.
>> The worst anyone is doing is running 89mm bores, and that's a  
>> tweak--not
>> really worth much--you can get nearly the same horsepower with a 87.
>> Pandoras box is knowledge, we all know how to make a car fast, we  
>> all have
>> access to the learning of the last 50 years, and it goes into our  
>> cars,
>> while testarossas are stuck in time.
>>
>> Of course if I had a TR the first thing I'd do would be to make a  
>> replica
>> of the frame, only in titanium, and a carbon fibre body. Then...
>> On Oct 23, 2008, at 5:45 AM, Andre Rousseau wrote:
>>
>> I guess that is the nature of racing, those with money will do what  
>> ever it
>> costs to win.
>>
>> What's next acid dipping of the bodies?
>>
>> Frankly if I wanted to make my "future" racer lighter. I'd start with
>> myself.
>>
>> A.
>>
>> --
>> Andre Rousseau - andre@gt6.ca
>> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
>> Ottawa, ON, Canada
>>
>> 2008/10/23 <Group44TR7@aol.com>
>>
>> Good Morning
>>
>>
>>      What I am observing is that  some vintage racing groups are  
>> going
>>
>> down the same path as CanAm and FI by  allowing expensive  
>> modifications to
>>
>> take
>>
>> place. Is there really a need to have  Kevlar bodywork on a  
>> Spitfire or TR6
>>
>> in
>>
>> vintage racing?
>>
>>
>>      It has always struck me as  rather hypocritical that vintage  
>> groups
>>
>> wanted owners to use pre 1972 body  specification and have the true
>>
>> appearance
>>
>> of post 1972 cars destroyed. Now we  are putting Kevlar replacement  
>> panels
>>
>> to
>>
>> look like pre 1972 cars.
>>
>>
>>      I have to wonder why the  people doing these modifications are  
>> not
>>
>> instead running SCCA. I am just as  guilty as the next person here,  
>> our
>>
>> engines
>>
>> are too modified. They are nothing  like what was raced in the  
>> 1970s and
>>
>> earlier.
>>
>>
>>      Vintage may be making  itself too expensive too.
>>
>>
>> Baseball Dad
>>
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>
>
> -- 
> Andre Rousseau - andre@gt6.ca
> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
> Ottawa, ON, Canada
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