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To: BOB KRAMER <rkramer3@austin.rr.com>, FOT List <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] gasoline comparison - ethanol impacts
From: Brad Kahler <brad.kahler@141.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:32:20 -0700
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No Whey!

BOB KRAMER wrote:
> Is anyone else having trouble holding themselves back from wheying in 
> on the whey cool discussion? 
>  
> Bob Kramer
> rkramer3@austin.rr.com <mailto:rkramer3@austin.rr.com>
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Russ Moore <mailto:rem9@frontiernet.net>
>     *To:* 'Bill Babcock' <mailto:Billb@bnj.com> ; mdporter@dfn.com
>     <mailto:mdporter@dfn.com>
>     *Cc:* Group44TR7@aol.com <mailto:Group44TR7@aol.com> ;
>     fot@autox.team.net <mailto:fot@autox.team.net>
>     *Sent:* Sunday, September 14, 2008 12:10 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [Fot] gasoline comparison - ethanol impacts
>
>     Actually, around here there are many farmers who seek out the whey
>     as a source of protein for their livestock. Especially for sheep
>     producers. There's also the residue left after the manufacture of
>     tofu that is likewise utilized.
>
>      
>
>     Russ Moore
>
>     Upstate NY
>
>      
>
>     *From:* fot-bounces@autox.team.net
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>     [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Bill Babcock
>     *Sent:* Sunday, September 14, 2008 12:00 PM
>     *To:* mdporter@dfn.com <mailto:mdporter@dfn.com>
>     *Cc:* Group44TR7@aol.com <mailto:Group44TR7@aol.com>;
>     fot@autox.team.net <mailto:fot@autox.team.net>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Fot] gasoline comparison - ethanol impacts
>
>      
>
>     Given that most cheese-makers have to pay to dispose of whey, that
>     might be an interesting micro-source.
>
>      
>
>      
>
>     On Sep 14, 2008, at 6:27 AM, Michael Porter wrote:
>
>
>
>     Group44TR7@aol.com <mailto:Group44TR7@aol.com> wrote:
>
>      
>
>                As energy scientists search for alternative fuels, one of
>
>         the challenges is finding a fuel source that provides as much
>         energy
>
>         per gallon as gasoline and diesel.
>
>          
>
>
>     Butanol.  95% of the fuel value of gasoline.  More octane. Capable of
>     being made with a two-stage fermentation process from all sorts of
>     food
>     wastes, such whey from cheese production....
>
>
>
>     Cheers.
>
>     -- 
>
>
>     Michael Porter
>     Roswell, NM
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No Whey!<br>
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BOB KRAMER wrote:
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  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Is anyone else having trouble
holding themselves back from wheying in on the whey cool 
discussion?&nbsp;</font></div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div>Bob Kramer<br>
  <a moz-do-not-send="true" 
href="mailto:rkramer3@austin.rr.com";>rkramer3@austin.rr.com</a></div>
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line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b>
    <a moz-do-not-send="true" title="rem9@frontiernet.net"
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none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Cc:</b>
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Sunday, September 14, 2008 12:10 PM</div>
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font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: 
none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b>
Re: [Fot] gasoline comparison - ethanol impacts</div>
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    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
 style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 
'Calibri','sans-serif';">Actually,
around here there are many farmers who seek out the whey as a source of
protein for their livestock. Especially for sheep producers. There&#8217;s
also the residue left after the manufacture of tofu that is likewise
utilized. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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'Calibri','sans-serif';"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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'Calibri','sans-serif';">Russ
Moore<o:p></o:p></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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'Calibri','sans-serif';">Upstate
NY<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill Babcock<br>
    <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 14, 2008 12:00 PM<br>
    <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true" 
href="mailto:mdporter@dfn.com";>mdporter@dfn.com</a><br>
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    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] gasoline comparison - ethanol 
impacts<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal">Given that most cheese-makers have to pay to
dispose of whey, that might be an interesting micro-source.<o:p></o:p></p>
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    <p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 14, 2008, at 6:27 AM, Michael Porter
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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scientists search for
alternative fuels, one of <o:p></o:p></p>
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      <p class="MsoNormal">the challenges is finding a fuel source that
provides as much energy <o:p></o:p></p>
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Butanol. &nbsp;95% of the fuel value of gasoline. &nbsp;More octane. Capable of 
<br>
being made with a two-stage fermentation process from all sorts of food
    <br>
wastes, such whey from cheese production....<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
Cheers.<br>
    <br>
-- <br>
    <br>
    <br>
Michael Porter<br>
Roswell, NM<br>
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