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And there's an ethanol shortage, that won't go away for a long time.
On Sep 14, 2008, at 8:14 AM, Tim Murphy wrote:
> As of September 1, 2008 all gasoline must have 10% ethanol by Federal
> mandate. So I was told by a Mobil distributor. As always, a really
> well
> thought out Federal mandate. At the same time they raise the CAFE
> standards
> they lower the MPG by mandating ethanol. There was also a bill in
> Congress
> to increase the mandated percentage of ethanol. Guess which
> lobbying group
> was pushing that bill?
>
> Tim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim" <britbits@netzero.com>
> To: <fot@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] gasoline comparison
>
>
>> When MBTE was first proposed as an additive the local Triumph club
>> president
>> did a bit of investigation.. according to what he'd come up with
>> the MBTE
>> mix was designed for catalyst equipped cars... for non-catalyst
>> equipped
>> cars (the bulk of the Triumphs) the incompletely burned emissions
>> were
>> actually worse for the environment.
>>
>> Just another example of poorly researched "science" being foisted
>> on the
>> American public. Don't get me started on the R-12 vs R-134 bs.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jim
>> Dallas
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-
>> bounces@autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Randall
>> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:02 PM
>> To: fot@autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] gasoline comparison
>>
>>
>>> Helps the emissions (as the MTBE was supposed to do also!).
>>
>> Don't kid yourself. For anything made in the last 20 years or so,
>> it does
>> absolutely nothing for emissions, as the computer just tweaks the
>> mixture
>> richer to compensate for the "oxygenated" fuel.
>>
>> For most cars made before 1970 or so, it does make them run leaner,
>> which
>> does reduce tailpipe emissions.
>>
>> But that leaves an awful lot of cars in between with fixed mixtures
>> that
>> were already tuned lean running on pure gasoline. And it only
>> takes one
>> of
>> them pushed into lean misfire under cruise conditions, to emit more
>> pollution than the oxygenate could reduce in hundreds of pre-computer
>> cars.
>> Of course eventually they'll burn up the valves and so on, but
>> you'd be
>> surprised at the number of them still running around here. And
>> remember,
>> these are the only cars where oxygenated fuel is supposed to reduce
>> emissions at all.
>>
>> And of course for Triumphs, we just adjust the mixture to suit the
>> fuel,
>> so
>> it does no good at all.
>>
>> Randall in the PRC (People's Republic of California)
>>
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<html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">And there's an ethanol =
shortage, that won't go away for a long time. <br><div><div>On Sep =
14, 2008, at 8:14 AM, Tim Murphy wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>As of =
September 1, 2008 all gasoline must have 10% ethanol by Federal =
<br>mandate. So I was told by a Mobil distributor. As =
always, a really well <br>thought out Federal mandate. At the same =
time they raise the CAFE standards <br>they lower the MPG by mandating =
ethanol. There was also a bill in Congress <br>to increase the =
mandated percentage of ethanol. Guess which lobbying group <br>was =
pushing that bill?<br><br>Tim<br>----- Original Message ----- <br>From: =
"Jim" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:britbits@netzero.com";>britbits@netzero.com</a>><br>To: =
<<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>><br>Sent:=
Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:08 PM<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] gasoline =
comparison<br><br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">When MBTE was first =
proposed as an additive the local Triumph club =
<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">president<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">did a =
bit of investigation.. according to what he'd come up with the =
MBTE<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">mix was designed for =
catalyst equipped cars... for non-catalyst =
equipped<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">cars (the bulk of the =
Triumphs) the incompletely burned emissions =
were<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">actually worse for the =
environment.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Just another =
example of poorly researched "science" being foisted on =
the<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">American public. =
Don't get me started on the R-12 vs R-134 =
bs.<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote=
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Cheers,<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Jim<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Dallas<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">-----Original =
Message-----<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">From: =
fot-bounces@autox.team.net [<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.n=
et</a>] On<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Behalf Of =
Randall<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Sent: Saturday, =
September 13, 2008 10:02 PM<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">To: =
<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a><br></blockquote>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Subject: Re: [Fot] gasoline =
comparison<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Helps the emissions (as the MTBE was supposed to do =
also!).<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Don't kid =
yourself. For anything made in the last 20 years or so, it =
does<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">absolutely nothing for =
emissions, as the computer just tweaks the =
mixture<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">richer to compensate =
for the "oxygenated" fuel.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">For most cars =
made before 1970 or so, it does make them run leaner, =
which<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">does reduce tailpipe =
emissions.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">But that leaves =
an awful lot of cars in between with fixed mixtures =
that<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">were already tuned lean =
running on pure gasoline. And it only takes one =
<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">of<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">them pushed into lean misfire under cruise conditions, to =
emit more<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">pollution than the =
oxygenate could reduce in hundreds of pre-computer =
<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">cars.<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Of course =
eventually they'll burn up the valves and so on, but you'd =
be<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">surprised at the number of =
them still running around here. And =
remember,<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">these are the only =
cars where oxygenated fuel is supposed to =
reduce<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">emissions at =
all.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">And of course =
for Triumphs, we just adjust the mixture to suit the fuel, =
<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">so<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">it does no good at all.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
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