Hey Bill, maybe my $20k car is worth more to me than the $1M car is to its
owner. We're all not rich out there; I've encountered a bunch of Average
Joes out there who are great people.
Good point, though.
Thanks, Bill Tobin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Babcock" <Billb@bnj.com>
To: "Jay Creel" <jaxonracing@yahoo.com>
Cc: <JWoesvra@aol.com>; <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] alternatives to the SCCA?
> Actually, I think Jack is being brutally honest for good reasons. I've
> organized a few races myself, and been involved to a degree in the
> inner politics of several vintage organizations. There are good
> reasons why these organizations resist the pressure of sliding the
> requirements of vintage racing to later years so that various SCCA
> refugees can race.
>
> The cars that people come to see race--even the other vintage racers--
> are cars from the fifties and sixties. Around 1970 wings and slicks
> came in and racing changed forever. Even production cars had lots of
> ground effects and aero tricks. Vintage racing has already changed a
> great deal. The grand old cars don't show up as often anymore--they
> are worth too much and cost too much to fix for their owners to have
> them t-boned by some guy who is risking 20K in a corner VS. their
> couple of million. Vintage organizations are getting tougher on their
> rules, not easier. And it's for good reason. I argued the other side
> long and hard--and I was wrong. It doesn't help vintage racing to
> slide into the 70's, it kills it.
>
> Vintage means Vintage. Adding cars to a group that will circulate out
> front and lap every vintage car, even if they aren't scored against
> them, will change the game and keep even more true vintage cars at
> home. Already saw it happen. If there's enough interest and money in
> it then you can certainly organize racing events that suit these
> cars. The SCCA isn't making these moves in spite of the vast amounts
> of money being made in running club events that include obsolete or
> low-interest cars. Here in the Northwest, Team Continental and the
> ICSCC run races with over 40 racing classes. Of course you're on the
> track with some of the most misbegotten iron you ever saw, but it's a
> fun group.
>
> The SCCA's move is nothing new by the way. I heard people complaining
> about the exact same stuff twenty years ago.
>
> On Jun 1, 2008, at 3:22 PM, Jay Creel wrote:
>
> > hmm. you must be made of money.
> > I didn't build my car to have it collect
> > dust. It is too bad that politics is what put cars to the pasture,
> > sounds no
> > different with SVRA. I built a car to the rules, and the rules
> > changed. I
> > could build a SVRA compliant car and then the rules could change
> > because you
> > are the MAN and since I am your b****, I will have to change.
> > "that's racing"
> > is something the "pros" have to live with, that is why they are pro's.
> > Doesn't
> > look like I will be running SVRA anytime soon. Thanks for the
> > input, I am
> > sure I will find some place to run the car, just have to look.
> > A simple NO,
> > your car is not eligible would have been fine and we could all go
> > about our
> > day.
> > Sorry FOT, I don't typically respond in this fashion but the
> > reference to
> > "the MAN" was a little much for me to ignore.
> > I am done with this. Thanks
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: "JWoesvra@aol.com" <JWoesvra@aol.com>
> > To:
> > jaxonracing@yahoo.com; REK46@aol.com; fpspitfire@comcast.net;
> > fot@autox.team.net
> > Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2008 5:51:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Fot]
> > alternatives to the SCCA?
> >
> > In a message dated 6/1/2008 3:24:53 P.M. Eastern
> > Daylight Time, jaxonracing@yahoo.com writes:
> > because of rules issues in the
> > SCCA and the limitations of some vintage groups,
> > Not to beat a dead horse,
> > but "that's racin'".
> >
> > You do what the MAN says or you put it away.
> >
> > When you
> > ARE THE MAN, you can make the rules. Otherwise you pays your money
> > and takes
> > your chances.
> >
> > What do they say about big dogs and porches?
> >
> > Never changes.
> > Just the faces change.
> >
> > Jack Woehrle...since 1963!
> >
> >
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