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Re: flywheel bolt lube?

To: Joe Curry <spitlist@cox.net>,
Subject: Re: flywheel bolt lube?
From: matt matthews <mattspit@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 16:02:12 -0500
I can't seem to find my sheets right now but the answer to torqueing with
locktite can be obtatianed by asking locktite.

> From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist@cox.net>
> Reply-To: "Joe Curry" <spitlist@cox.net>
> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:24:39 -0700
> To: "'EDWARD BARNARD'" <edwardbarnard@prodigy.net>, <fot@autox.team.net>
> Subject: RE: flywheel bolt lube?
> 
> In lieu of knowing the correct spec for ARP bolts while using locktite
> instead of their lubricant, I would think that the locktite would
> accomplish sufficient resistance to the bolts backing off rather than
> risking twisting off the heads trying to over torque the bolts to an
> unconfirmed higher rating.
> 
> 
> 
> But in the end, there is no substitute for knowing the correct specs
> before doing any tightening.
> 
> 
> 
> Joe (C) 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: EDWARD BARNARD [mailto:edwardbarnard@prodigy.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 4:14 PM
> To: Joe Curry; fot@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: flywheel bolt lube?
> 
> 
> 
> Joe: I agree with you on all but your last comment.The way a bolt holds
> in place is by torqueing it to the point that the threads distort and
> hold the bolt in tension. A harder bolt will need to be torqued to a
> higher point before the threads distort. Torqueing to the normal spec is
> actually worst than using the original bolts because the hardened bolt
> will not be held in tension. I have heard different figures ranging from
> 10 to 25% greater torque. Don't get me lying. I bet Mike Porter knows
> the figure. Thanks - Ed
> 
> Joe Curry <spitlist@cox.net> wrote:
> 
> My understanding is that using ARP fasteners you have 2 things working
> for you that cause different settings.
> 
> 1. The fasteners are stronger and therefore will take higher torque
> settings.
> 2. It is highly recommended that you use the ARP thread compound that
> they provide. This is supposed to offer less resistance to the threads
> and the mating surfaces.
> 
> If you use Locktite instead of the ARP thread compound, everything above
> is out the window. I agree that one should use locktite on the flywheel
> bolts but can't say what torque settings to use. My guess would be to
> use the recommended book settings and you will probably be OK.
> 
> Joe (C)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-fot@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-fot@autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Rocky Entriken
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 1:08 PM
> To: Bill Babcock; MJSUKEY@cs.com; fot@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: flywheel bolt lube?
> 
> Related question---
> 
> I've always assumed that torque specs using Loctite were the same as the
> standard torque specs in the book.
> 
> But using ARP I use different specs, usually higher.
> 
> True?
> 
> The only place I've used ARP so far is rod bolts. And then it was
> because my
> engine guy told me to -- and he gave me the torque specs.
> 
> Also, ARP lubricates the bolts going in. Does it also have Loctite
> properties?
> 
> --Rocky

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