I put a 1 inch sway bar up front and a 9/16 in the rear along with my Quaife
and all wheelspin went away on my Gt-6. It is also was all tied together
with 480lb springs up front with Spax shocks. A dearced 1980 spit spring and
Konis in the rear. Car worked really well as an autocrosser with this set
up. I also ran 13x7 wheels with Hoosiers on them. I could have used better
sway bar links to really take advantage of my front bar. I have seen several
set ups that would work way better than the stock attach points.
Andy
72 Eprod Gt-6
>From: Bill Babcock <BillB@bnj.com>
>Reply-To: Bill Babcock <BillB@bnj.com>
>To: "'bob bownes'" <bownes@web9.com>, Rocky Entriken <rocky@tri.net>
>CC: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr@mccarty-law.com>, fot@autox.team.net
>Subject: RE: Rear Wheel lift
>Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 14:38:59 -0800
>
>Didn't Dan Gurney say that?
>
>I think he actually said "I'd rather go in slow and come out fast than go
>in fast and come out dead".
>
>there are two mantras I mutter to myself when I'm racing. One is "wait,
>wait, wait, wait, NOW" (forcing myself to not turn in too early) and the
>other is "brake a little later, brake a little harder, brake a little
>longer, turn a little later".
>
>Turn nine at Laguna Seca (the old turn nine--the off camber lefty downhill
>after the corkscrew) is THE place for yelling those mantras at myself. I'm
>sure every racer in FOT does a similar thing at a similar turn.
>
>I find my vintage racecars are much more forgiving of the sins of driver
>error. The Radical is absolutely not. If you brake too early you find
>yourself parked ten yards before the corner. If you turn in early there's
>not enough room in the whole paddock to save it.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bob bownes [mailto:bownes@web9.com]
>Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 2:01 PM
>To: Rocky Entriken
>Cc: Barr, Scott; fot@autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: Rear Wheel lift
>
>
>The road racing corollary:
>
>Go in slow, come out fast. Go in fast, come out dead.
>
>
>
>Rocky Entriken wrote:
> >
> > Having no idea of Scott's experience level or driving style, I want to
>offer
> > one different view:
> >
> > It ain't all about the equipment you have on the car.
> >
> > Perhaps you can slow down to go faster.
> >
> > I had an epiphany of sorts at the 2000 Solo II Nationals, after seeing
>some
> > photos of myself in a key corner that were taken by the trackside photog
> > there. He caught me in the same place on two different runs. On one
>(first
> > run) I had major rear wheel lift. On the other (third run) I did not.
>And I
> > was 1.6 seconds quicker on the third run.
> >
> > The car is a Mk. I Spitfire, D Prepared in Solo, G Prod in road racing.
>And
> > yeah, it has a welded-up rear so wheelspin is not really my problem.
> >
> > The difference? On the third run I backed off sooner for the entry to
>the
> > corner, got on the gas sooner and was accelerating through and out of
>the
> > turn.
> >
> > When I came hard into the corner and was still braking heavy as I turned
>in,
> > I got that inside rear wheel way up in the sky. Made for a really
> > spectacular photo, but I could also see the error in technique. Already
>into
> > the turn, I was still trying to get slowed down.
> >
> > When I got my braking done earlier, when I was shot at that same spot in
>the
> > corner the car was flat, all four on the ground, and actually looking
>very
> > un-spectacular ... but demonstrably faster.
> >
> > Not so easy to do. Man, you just KNOW you can go deeper into that
>corner.
> > Yeah, you can, but then it takes longer to get back out of it again, and
> > that is the key.
> >
> > I'd attach the photos, but Mark's program would just strip them. [That's
>not
> > a complaint; it strips all kinds of bad stuff too! :-) ]
> >
> > --Rocky Entriken
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr@mccarty-law.com>
> > To: <fot@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Rear Wheel lift
> >
> > > Joe and all,
> > >
> > > On my rotoflex GT6 (same rear suspension as Joe's SuperSpit Tiny Tim),
>I
> > > replaced my 5/8ths bar with the 7/8ths bar last year, with no real
>effect
> > on
> > > the wheelspin while in right-hand turns. It does corner flatter, but
>the
> > > drive wheel still spins, both on short sharp turns (such as Blackhawk
> > Farms'
> > > turn 3A) and carousel turns (such as Blackhawk Farms turn 3). My
>current
> > > theory (W.A.G.) is that the weight transfer still occurs, causing loss
>of
> > > traction at the right/rear wheel, regardless of the flatter cornering
> > > attitude. Still reading through Mr. Puhn's book to figure this out.
> > >
> > > But, point is, the 7/8ths bar didn't help me. Perhaps with Tiny Tim's
> > > lighter engine, the result would be different.
> > >
> > > Scott Barr
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist@gte.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 7:08 PM
> > > To: Friends of Triumph
> > > Subject: Re: Rear Wheel lift
> > >
> > >
> > > John and Ted,
> > >
> > > It appears that my next step is to put the 7/8" swaybar on the front
> > > (replacing the 5/8" one) and see what the result is at next Sunday's
> > event.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the tips. I'll let you know how it goes!
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > John Price wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Joe:
> > > >
> > > > It depends on what your spring rates are and what kind of sway
>bar
> > you
> > > > have in the front. As near as I can tell from my research, the
>options
> > > would
> > > > be stiffer springs/larger sway bar in the front or softer
> > springs/smaller
> > > > sway bar in the rear. I am fighting the same battles with my TVR
> > > >
> > > > John
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