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Re: Rear Wheel lift

To: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr@mccarty-law.com>, <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: Rear Wheel lift
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky@tri.net>
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 14:51:54 -0600
Having no idea of Scott's experience level or driving style, I want to offer
one different view:

It ain't all about the equipment you have on the car.

Perhaps you can slow down to go faster.

I had an epiphany of sorts at the 2000 Solo II Nationals, after seeing some
photos of myself in a key corner that were taken by the trackside photog
there. He caught me in the same place on two different runs. On one (first
run) I had major rear wheel lift. On the other (third run) I did not. And I
was 1.6 seconds quicker on the third run.

The car is a Mk. I Spitfire,  D Prepared in Solo, G Prod in road racing. And
yeah, it has a welded-up rear so wheelspin is not really my problem.

The difference? On the third run I backed off sooner for the entry to the
corner, got on the gas sooner and was accelerating through and out of the
turn.

When I came hard into the corner and was still braking heavy as I turned in,
I got that inside rear wheel way up in the sky. Made for a really
spectacular photo, but I could also see the error in technique. Already into
the turn, I was still trying to get slowed down.

When I got my braking done earlier, when I was shot at that same spot in the
corner the car was flat, all four on the ground, and actually looking very
un-spectacular ... but demonstrably faster.

Not so easy to do. Man, you just KNOW you can go deeper into that corner.
Yeah, you can, but then it takes longer to get back out of it again, and
that is the key.

I'd attach the photos, but Mark's program would just strip them. [That's not
a complaint; it strips all kinds of bad stuff too! :-) ]

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message -----
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr@mccarty-law.com>
To: <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:11 AM
Subject: RE: Rear Wheel lift


> Joe and all,
>
> On my rotoflex GT6 (same rear suspension as Joe's SuperSpit Tiny Tim), I
> replaced my 5/8ths bar with the 7/8ths bar last year, with no real effect
on
> the wheelspin while in right-hand turns.  It does corner flatter, but the
> drive wheel still spins, both on short sharp turns (such as Blackhawk
Farms'
> turn 3A) and carousel turns (such as Blackhawk Farms turn 3).  My current
> theory (W.A.G.) is that the weight transfer still occurs, causing loss of
> traction at the right/rear wheel, regardless of the flatter cornering
> attitude.  Still reading through Mr. Puhn's book to figure this out.
>
> But, point is, the 7/8ths bar didn't help me.  Perhaps with Tiny Tim's
> lighter engine, the result would be different.
>
> Scott Barr
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist@gte.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 7:08 PM
> To: Friends of Triumph
> Subject: Re: Rear Wheel lift
>
>
> John and Ted,
>
> It appears that my next step is to put the 7/8" swaybar on the front
> (replacing the 5/8" one) and see what the result is at next Sunday's
event.
>
> Thanks for the tips.  I'll let you know how it goes!
>
> Joe
>
> John Price wrote:
> >
> > Joe:
> >
> >    It depends on what your spring rates are and what kind of sway bar
you
> > have in the front. As near as I can tell from my research, the options
> would
> > be stiffer springs/larger sway bar in the front or softer
springs/smaller
> > sway bar in the rear. I am fighting the same battles with my TVR
> >
> > John

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