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RE: Land Rover carbs

To: ac443@osfn.rhilinet.gov (John Karlsson)
Subject: RE: Land Rover carbs
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 15:31:40 -0800
John Karlsson posted the following query to the British Cars list:

>I find that parts for the original Solex carburetor (OOOPS!  I
>mean carburettor.) are no longer made, and after about a quarter
>of a million miles and several rebuilds, my carburettor is about
>ready to be replaced.  I'm considering the Weber conversions
>offered by Atlantic British, and I'd appreciate any suggestions
>from any of you out there who may have experience with these.  
>
>They offer two different Weber models.  The single barrel
>apparently mounts on the original manifold via an adapter plate,
>and the two barrel comes with a new manifold, air cleaner, and
>claims of 15% increase in performance.
>
>Several issues come to mind in considering these conversions:
>
>     1.  The new manifold that comes with the two barrel doesn't
>     bolt to the exhaust manifold like the original.  Does this
>     result in icing, such as I experienced when I installed a
>     home made header?  And does it avoid the characteristic
>     problem of cracking of the exhaust manifold?
>
>     2.  How does the header sold by Atlantic British (Part #
>     2899) affect icing, since there seems to be no provision for
>     heating the carb?


John,

There are actually two ways to mount the two-barrel Weber carb, a full 
custom manifold and an adapter piece which allows mounting on the stock 
Land-Rover manifold.  I believe both are made by Pierce manifolds in North 
California:

   Phone:  800-874-3728 or 408-842-6667 or fax to 408-842-6673

I suspect that Pierce's price may be lower than that of ABP and suggest that 
you give Pierce a call.  I believe that British Pacific (800-554-4133) may 
also have a lower price than ABP.

If you use the full Pierce manifold (undoubtedly the higher-performance 
set-up) you will lose the heat-riser connection to the exhaust manifold.  So 
you might as well go with the headers and, as you say, eliminate the 
manifold cracking nemesis.  Then, so I have read, to get the full 
performance potential from the set-up, you need to go to the cam-grind 
profile for the 2.5-liter Land-Rover four-cylinder engine.  Improvement in 
performance?  Yes.  Worth it?  Hard to say.  

Yes, you will have cold-starting and -running problems with this set-up, 
unless you build and install a heat-riser set-up (of sheetmetal) to capture 
sufficient heat from the headers and pass it to the manifold.  It seems to 
me that another approach would be to modify the air cleaner set-up (in 
which, by the way, the Pierce kit normally replaces the oilbath with a K&N 
dry filter) to have an air pickup which incorporates a heat riser.  Several 
cars that I have had have had such a pick-up and some have had summer and 
winter settings with a damper that you can move to determine whether the air 
is cold or hot.  I believe one even had a thermostatically controlled damper 
and that would seem to be the ideal solution.

Regarding the single-barrel Weber, it works O.K. but I am skeptical of the 
performance claims.  I have run one and felt that I lost performance, 
slightly, compared with the Zenith carb which it replaced (on a 1970 Series 
IIa 88").  There has been considerable discussion on the Land-Rover-Owner 
discussion group (LRO@team.net) about both types of Webers.  Some owners who 
have used the single-throat Weber have felt that it gave a performance increase.

If you pursue one of these modifications, please keep us "posted"
on the Land-Rover list (lro@team.net).  If you are not a member of this 
excellent Land-Rover discussion group, I encourage you to join.  You can 
e-mail me for further details, if you wish.
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[ G.B.Pool(Redwood Vly, CA, USA)Appraiser,R/W Agent,Land-Rover aficionado ]
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