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Re: Pics of worlds ugliest Bricklin: part duex L' deux

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Subject: Re: Pics of worlds ugliest Bricklin: part duex L' deux
From: "alphachi" <alphachi@writeme.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:44:06 -0500
> Stephan,
>
> Thanks for those opinions; be sure to let me know if I can help you sell
any
> of your cars :)  Responses below.

heheh, anytime ;o)  Actually I didn't know you were TRYING to sell it.  Odd
pitch "the world's ugliest bricklin".  I've got to pay more attention I
guess.  Sorry.  No harm intended.

I got the car I was looking for based on the honest opinions of Brick
folk.   I then had the opportunity to form my own.  I would not deny anyone
that ability and I really don't think you would either.    Your opinion is
far more expert than mine.   ;o)


> >but then is it still a B?  That is highly debatable.   More like a kit
car.
>
> Debatable?  No, read the rules.  Using that "logic" would eliminate a very
> high percentage of ALL restored cars of ANY make.  And antique airplanes
too
> for that matter.  While original parts are preferable, it is acceptable to
> fabricate exact reproductions of parts no longer available.  If that were
not
> allowed, no one would operate any antique vehicles, since any part that
> became worn out could only be replaced with an "original."

Ok, logically, George, you've assumed I disallowed for "exact
reproductions".  I don't think fiberglass panels are exact reproductions.
"exact reproductions" is an abstract term to some.   However, even exact
reproductions are not of equal value.

Secondly, logically, I said it was debatable, which you are confirming and
to which I still agree.

Finally, on the logic side, you've presented a logical fallacy.  That is, if
we cannot find OEM replacements, we cannot drive antique cars.
Although it's usually a choice to either DRIVE them or preserve them.  Doing
both is a gamble and an adventure.


> >And at what cost $$$? I could see if the car was worth $200k restored,
but
> >for one worth maybe $20k TOPS?

> The going market price and "worth" are not the same thing.  Most people
who
> collect and restore Bricklins are not doing it for the potential economic
> returns from resale.

If you mean value it is essentially a personal thing.  Again, in the eyes of
the beholder.   However, we are not using worth with the same operational
definition.


  We are crazy, not stupid.

Hey, speak for yourself! <grin>

> >A good car for those impossible to find parts that taken separately, are
> worth >restoring an installing on a car with some potential.

> If you want to cannibalize your cars there is nothing I can do about it.
All
> I am trying to do is keep this one from that fate.  There are a plenty of
> Bricklins far worse off that have been restored.  Just because you or I
would  not take that course of action does not mean it is not an appropriate
choice for someone else.  You don't have to buy it.  I don't want to sell it
to
> anyone who does not know what they are getting into, or for parts.

I didn't say my opinion was the only one, or the right one.  And "restored"
is a mutable
construct.  I personally think one "whole" brick is worth three half Bricks.
But again, that's my opinion.  Post a picture, invite folks to look, and you
gonna get opinions, that doesn't surprise me.  I hope you're not surprised
either.


> By the way I don't think the frame has those serious rust problems.  TT
> looked it over a while back, and interested parties can bang on it, crawl
> underneath, take a core sample, look inside with a borescope, or whatever.


That's good to hear.  And I would hope any buyer of an in-the-weeds Brick
would thoroughly check the frame.  It is a matter of safety and good money
after bad.  I know TT's
also had some ugly surprises too.  Best of luck with her!



stephan #2821

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