many people believe (partly because of car marketing hype) that the CAR
makes you a good (or fast) driver. the modern sports cars can give that
illusion because they are SO forgiving of novice drivers' mistakes.
actually i think the suspension designs are so good these days they actually
make it harder to learn to drive because they cover up so many things.
the cobra makes it OBVIOUS when you do something wrong (or right). hehe
live axles and drum brakes forever!
YMMV,
-James Creasy
Slip Angle Cobrasports www.klio.net/cobra
BAPOC www.klio.net/probe
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Brown <jerbrown@pacbell.net>
>In addition, the S2000 guy had on a set of brand new Hoosiers. I was
>instructing both days, and when I saw his car and heard of his (lack of)
>experience, I thought, "Now, that's a recipe for disaster".
>
>According an instructor that rode with the Subaru pilot, the guy just
>would not listen to advice. I had one of those folk in an AWD turbo
>Eclipse. Fortunately, he shredded a tire in a spin before he could do
>any real damage (good thing, 'cause I wasn't gonna get back in the car
>with him!).
>
>Both cars didn't even have plates yet.
>
>-jerry
>
>Kit Wetzler wrote:
>>
>> Buttonwillow, not Willow Springs. He came off turn 11 (I think) and got
>> 4 wheels off, he was running too low tire pressure, the tires came off
>> the rim, and tossed the car over onto the driver's side.
>> Driver/Passenger both fine.
>>
>> Another S2000 spun into a way, destroyed the rear driver's side
>> suspension and axle...
>>
>> Both were very inexperienced drivers. I think that what gets people
>> into trouble is that they try to save spins... both tried to correct...
>> when you are that far off, it's imperative just to put both feet in,
>> (clutch/brakes)
>>
>> -Kit
>>
>> Jerry Mouton wrote:
>> >
>> > OOOh! A crunched Subaru at ?Willow Springs?
>> >
>> > http://gpl.gamestats.com/autoXwreck.jpg
>> >
>> > Anybody know the story?
>> >
>> > Jerry Mouton mailto:jerry@moutons.org Laissez les bons temps
>> > rouler!
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Cyril Reif" <creif@att.net>
>> > To: "Jerry Mouton" <jerry@moutons.org>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 9:32 AM
>> > Subject: Fw: [mrpca] AutoX wreck photo here
>> >
>> > > FYI....the picture looks like it was at a road corse, not an
autocross???
>> > > Cyril
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Mitch Williams" <mitchwil@flash.net>
>> > > To: <mrpca@egroups.com>
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 11:25 AM
>> > > Subject: Re: [mrpca] Fw: [ntpog forum] AutoX wreck photo here
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > John,
>> > > > Nasty picture, It would make anyone worry. I've never seen
anything
>> > like
>> > > > this in over 10 years of AXing. I've seen wheels rolling across
the
>> > > course
>> > > > by themselves as the car grounded to a halt (sheared all 5 lugs).
I've
>> > > seen
>> > > > pictures of a car that got caught on a guide wire for a telephone
pole
>> > at
>> > > a
>> > > > street autocross (Rabbitfest--no longer held). I've seen accidents
and
>> > > car
>> > > > damage at road-racing events, but not at an AX.
>> > > > Do you have more info on what happened just before this car rolled?
We
>> > > all
>> > > > know that you can take ANY CAR and get going 60+ mph and jerk the
>> > steering
>> > > > wheel suddenly all the way to lock in one direction...either the
car
>> > will
>> > > > spin or the outside front tire in dig in and produce a roll. The
>> > higher
>> > > > the center of gravity the better chance for a roll. Of course if
the
>> > car
>> > > is
>> > > > sliding and hits a curb, it could induce a roll. I'm not telling
you
>> > > > anything new.
>> > > >
>> > > > I can't remember what Subaru calls this car (Impreneza???) but it
is
>> > > geared
>> > > > towards rally racing and has a higher center of gravity than some
cars.
>> > > > It's hard to say what might have happened. But bottom line, the
answer
>> > is
>> > > > that *I* haven't seen anything like this before. Hope you can
convience
>> > > > your Prelude guys that this type of problem is unheard of.
>> > > > Mitch
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: John <john@4x4evolution.com>
>> > > > To: mrpca@egroups.com <mrpca@egroups.com>
>> > > > Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 10:49 AM
>> > > > Subject: Re: [mrpca] Fw: [ntpog forum] AutoX wreck photo here
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > >Here is a link to the image:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >http://gpl.gamestats.com/autoXwreck.jpg
>> > > > >
>> > > > >- John O'Keefe
>> > > > >
>> > > > >----- Original Message -----
>> > > > >From: John <john@terminalreality.com>
>> > > > >To: <mrpca@egroups.com>; <mrpca@egroups.com>
>> > > > >Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 10:38 AM
>> > > > >Subject: [mrpca] Fw: [ntpog forum] AutoX wreck photo here
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> One of the guys in the Prelude club sent this image to the
Prelude
>> > > list.
>> > > > >To
>> > > > >> me it looks like it occurred on a race track. In the background
you
>> > can
>> > > > >see
>> > > > >> what looks like Willow Springs or the streets of willow springs.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Has anyone ever seen a car roll in an autocross? The only time I
have
>> > > > ever
>> > > > >> seen something go wrong is when a car hits a solid object that
was
>> > too
>> > > > >close
>> > > > >> to the course.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> - John O'Keefe
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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