Well excuse me for reading too deep into your message. You ask who has
beaten Rupp. And I tell you Shields beat all Celica's. Guess what he did
beat all 00+ Celica's and that's what you were looking for.
Your grasping at straws to keep you car competitive in Solo2. I admire
that. But the fact is the Neon is a proven overdog for the class.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyson D Sawyer" <tyson@rwii.com>
To: "Team.Net" <autox@autox.team.net>; "Evolution"
<evolution-discussions@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [evolution-disc.] Re: The Dadio Factor NOT!
> Rick,
>
> Now you are just plain lying.
>
> 2000 Nationals:
>
> Jeff Cashmore - 113.551
> Danny Shields - 113.565
>
> Ty
>
> Rick Cone wrote:
> >
> > >. I think someone in
> > > Rick's own region has proved the potential of the new Celica. Anyone
> > beaten
> > > Mr. Rupp in a Neon?.
> >
> > Bill Hughes did it at Peru last year. Danny Shileds was faster then
EVERY
> > Celica at Nationals 2000.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Phillip Osborne" <psosborn@gte.net>
> > To: "Team.Net" <autox@autox.team.net>
> > Cc: "Evolution" <evolution-discussions@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 2:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: The Dadio Factor NOT!
> >
> > > I take exception to Rick's analogy. Sorry Rick, no malice
intended...His
> > > reasoning to me for Neons remaining
> > > in the new D Stock, rather than be placed in the new G Stock, is that
> > Daddio
> > > and others
> > > were able to beat the Type R's and other G Stock, E Stock cars with
Neons.
> > > I don't know how many times
> > > this happened, and facts related over years passed do not necessarily
> > reveal
> > > the whole picture, course, rain, etc. I submit that Dadio, and other
top
> > > Neon drivers, could take the
> > > same Type R he beat, and win A or B stock with it, given enough
> > developement
> > > time. To take a car like the Neon, and say it is directly competitive
> > with
> > > a WRX, which has had NO developement time yet in stock form, and a
Type R,
> > > that has development time and being improved every season, and say
they
> > > have the same potential, yet are so different in stock form, is
certainly
> > > not comparing apples to apples. How do you compare an open diff
132/150
> > > horsepower front driver to a LSD, 195hp car of nearly the same weight?
> > Look
> > > at the difference in wheel size, 14x6 vs 16x7.5! Take away the
limited
> > > slip, and the advantage still goes to Type R. And the WRX, with it's
224
> > hp,
> > > available 17" wheels, awd, and limited slip, is miles ahead, even with
> > it's
> > > relatively heavy curb weight.
> > > To go a step further, give Daddio a Celica GT, or GTS, and watch him
beat
> > > Type R's with that after a bit of development time. To say that the
new
> > > Celicas
> > > are not competitive with Neons is a bit of a stretch. I think someone
in
> > > Rick's own region has proved the potential of the new Celica. Anyone
> > beaten
> > > Mr. Rupp in a Neon?.
> > > Neon drivers, you need to present your argument to the SEB, or you
will be
> > > getting whupped big time next year in the new D Stock.
> > > Phil O.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rick Cone" <rickcone@bellsouth.net>
> > > To: <autox@autox.team.net>
> > > Cc: "Evolution" <evolution-discussions@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 1:24 PM
> > > Subject: The Dadio Factor NOT!
> > >
> > >
> > > > I sent this to another person on Team.net....
> > > >
> > > > Kinda proof that the Neon has gotten slower because drivers have
gotten
> > > > slower and it needs to get classed where it CAN perform not HAS
perfom
> > > since
> > > > the Neon money went away.
> > > >
> > > > ======================
> > > >
> > > > In 97 DS beat ES and GS at every National Tour
> > > > On average the top 5 drivers in DS beat ES and GS.
> > > >
> > > > In 98 from the 3 events on the web...
> > > > ES won once by 0.6 The other two events 5.5 drivers beat ES
> > > >
> > > > In 99 (last year for Neon money)
> > > > On average the top 4 DS cars beat ES. The closest ES came was .09
in
> > > > Evansville
> > > >
> > > > In 2000 No more Dadio or Neon $$$
> > > > ES and DS are right on top of each other. The new Celica with
little
> > > > development gets 2 wins.
> > > >
> > > > In 2001 ES
> > > > ES and DS again are close. ES probably being a little better. # of
New
> > > > Celica wins 0
> > > >
> > > > Whats all this mean?
> > > >
> > > > DS is getting slower, because The cars that are predominantly
winning ES
> > > are
> > > > cars that have equal if not better development then the Neon (Celica
ST,
> > > > Honda CRX)
> > > >
> > > > When the Neon was beating HS and ES it was more then just Daddio
doing
> > it.
> > > > Typically the top 5 or 6 in DS were doing it.
> > > >
> > > > The car has the potential to dominate the class. It has before in
the
> > > past
> > > > if you work the numbers. Therefore it should stay in DS.
> > > >
> > > > Rick
> > > >
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