Ok, although most websites show only power, one (Danish Taunus owners) also had
torque. Not, however, in lb/ft or even Newton/meters but in " kpm" which I
assume means kilograms per meter (the conversion figures 'make sense'). The 2.0
V6 has 15.2 'kpm' at 3000 rpm which converts to 110 lb/ft or 149 N/m. I think
a stock 1600 Alpine is about 94 lb/ft at 3800 rpm but am unsure as I have no
Alpine literature with me.
The Danish Taunus owners website has more data (in English) on these 2.0 engines
for those interested: http://www.taunus.dk/teknik/tau-v6.htm
I also found this website which has weights and dimensions for many engines (not
Rootes though) http://angelfire.com/ar/dw42/engfyi.htm
If you need to convert power, torque etc this website is helpful
http://www.dieselnet.com/calculator/units1.html
That's all folks
Vic
S3, 80 + bhp , 94 lb/ft at 3800 rpm ?
Brock Commodore, 250+ bhp, 410 N/m at 3000 rpm
Mazda MX5, 82 kW, 136 N/m at 5000 rpm
Louis & Laila wrote:
> HP is HP, but I am sure it is the difference in torque that the conversion
> people are after.
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> > Which would make the 90 bhp DIN for these V6s about 97 'Rootes' bhp
> >
> > Vic
> > S3 ST with 82 'Rootes' bhp (about 76 bhp DIN) + whatever extractors,
> downdraft
> > Weber and slightly higher compression gives
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jan Eyerman wrote:
> >
> > > Rootes HP was actually quite conservative. I believe that the 1968
> Rapier was
> > > quoted as 95 HP and was 88 DIN HP. The Early Minxes were quoted as 53
> HP and
> > > were 47 or 48 DIN. Nothing like some US cars which went decreased from
> 200+
> > > HP to 130 SAE/DIN HP.
> > >
> > > Jan Eyerman
> > > 1959 Hillman Minx Series III DeLuxe (52 1/2 HP or 47 DIN HP)
> > > 1973 Hillman Avenger DL (70 HP or 55 DIN HP)
> > >
> > > Victor Hughes <hughes@scides.canberra.edu.au> wrote:
> > > From the websites I found in Europe, the 2.0 was 90 bhp, the 2.3 was 105
> and
> > > the
> > > 2.6 was 125. That's in the European DIN way of quoting, which I
> understand is
> > > more conservative than the method used by Rootes in the 1960s. So 90
> bhp (or
> > > PS
> > > as they say in Europe) DIN may well be worth about 100 Rootes English
> bhp.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Vic
> > >
> > > Jarrid Gross wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Actually the 2.8 engine was 105 HP, the 2.0 would run in the 80 HP
> realm,
> > > > which would leave you with little more than a new engine, and a tad
> more
> > > > torque.
> > > >
> > > > Jarrid
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Alexander Adan" <adadan@sfsu.edu>
> > > > To: "Jarrid Gross" <jarrid_gross@earthlink.net>
> > > > Cc: "Alpine List" <alpines@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:27 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: 400each 2.6 V6s on Ebay
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the info, Jarrid. I wondered what, if any differences
> existed
> > > > between the
> > > > > various German Ford V6 motors, and whether there might be some extra
> > > > difficulties with this
> > > > > smaller version of the motor. I've been thinking that it might be
> wise
> > > to
> > > > buy more than
> > > > > one, if I can scrape up the funds and find a place to put it.
> > > > >
> > > > > For others curious about the motors, basically it's the smallest
> > > > displacement version of
> > > > > the German Ford V6, which is a popular conversion for Alpines. From
> what
> > > > I understand the
> > > > > block is the same and thus the conversion kit that is used for the
> 2.8
> > > > liter motor could be
> > > > > used for this, even though it's only a 2.0 liter motor. I'm not
> sure of
> > > > this however, and
> > > > > need to do more research.
> > > > >
> > > > > The motors were listed in a "Dutch" auction on ebay starting at $250
> > > each,
> > > > and they are
> > > > > described as unused surplus motors rather than rebuilt. Since only
> two
> > > of
> > > > the 400 motors
> > > > > were sold in the ebay auction, the seller still has a bunch to sell.
> > > From
> > > > the exchange
> > > > > I've had with her so far I think she's willing to sell them for the
> > > > starting price of $250
> > > > > plus a shipping and packing charge--I don't know yet how she feels
> about
> > > > the motors being
> > > > > picked up in person. (Possibly a savings for me as I live in
> > > California.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's her original description of the motors, from the ebay
> auction:
> > > > >
> > > > > COMPLETE...READY TO INSTALL New 2.0 Liter V6 Assemblies consist of
> > > > Cylinder block w/
> > > > > piston, cylinder heads, crank and camshaft, Flywheel, Intake, Oil
> Filter,
> > > > Oil Pan, Spark
> > > > > Plugs, 2 Barrel Carb., Distributor w/ wires, Water Pumps, Fuel Pump,
> > > Valve
> > > > Covers, All
> > > > > internal Parts in Engine. (2000 CC) Standard Application: Taunus,
> > > Granada,
> > > > Consul
> > > > >
> > > > > Alex Adan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jarrid Gross wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Carefull on the magic german V6 engines.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Parts are absolutely NOT available in the US, and
> > > > > > some parts like the exhaust manifolds, which you will
> > > > > > need, are not the same as the larger (2.8) V6, and
> > > > > > might be tough to find as well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Transmisions COULD also be of concern becuase
> > > > > > ford was fond of changing the locations of the starter,
> > > > > > making otherwise compatible transmisions dependant
> > > > > > upon a particular bellhousing, input shaft length, and
> > > > > > consequently a specific transmision.
> > > > > > Case in point is that the german V6 in US Capris
> > > > > > used an external shifter version of the pinto single
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > rail transmision due to the fact that the pinto engine
> > > > > > and bellhousing used a ford starter, and the german
> > > > > > mercury engine used a bosch starter on the opposite
> > > > > > side of the engine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think these engines would be a steal at $250
> > > > > > considering that they are new, just be aware of the
> > > > > > true cost of ownership once you get them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jarrid Gross
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Alexander Adan wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't know if anyone is still interested in the V6 engines
> that
> > > were
> > > > on ebay, but
> > > > > > > I've been in touch with the woman who is selling them, and she
> has
> > > > plenty left
> > > > > > > (according to the auction results, there was one bidder who took
> two
> > > > motors out of the
> > > > > > > 400). She told me that these are unused surplus motors, not
> rebuilt.
> > > > I'm in
> > > > > > > California, so I'm seriously considering picking one up for a V6
> > > > conversion as my
> > > > > > > pieced together (by a previous owner) Series IV has been garaged
> due
> > > > to alarming (and
> > > > > > > expensive sounding) noises that go away when the front
> spark-plug
> > > wire
> > > > is pulled.
> > > > > > > I've needed a new transmission for quite awhile as well, so I'm
> > > > thinking about
> > > > > > > swapping the whole works.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If anyone is interested in more information about the motors,
> let me
> > > > know and I'll be
> > > > > > > happy to ask her.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Alex Adan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > '65 Series IV with Series II clutch, homebrew soft top, and who
> knows
> > > > what else. . .
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