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To: Carl McLelland <carlmcle@saturnnet.com>
Subject: What went wrong?
From: jeyerman@ix.netcom.com
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 19:41:05 -0500
I am not sure how a Mallory distributor is set up internally, but years ago on 
a Lucas distributor I had the wire from the connector to the points short out 
intermittantly on the base-it only happened when the vacuum advance moved the 
base plate-then something wore through the wire's insulation and began shorting 
it-but only at certain vacuum amounts.  Took me a month to find it out-and then 
only after I removed the distributor and studied every part.  

The severe points pitting indicates possible condensor problems-pitting is 
usually due to an electrical imbalance between the condensor and the coil. 
Sounds like the condensor is going "open" under certain conditions (high 
heat-the usual killer of electrical components).  One way to test is try to get 
the car to die again and then immediately spray the condensor with something 
VERY cold-get a can of "cold" spray at a local TV repair shop-then immediately 
try to start the car.  If it runs fine-then the condensor was the problem. 

Jan Eyerman
1959 Hillman Minx Series III
1973 Plymouth Cricket (the latest model, newest Rootes car on the "List"-in the 
USA)
  
Carl McLelland <carlmcle@saturnnet.com> wrote:
> For you technical buffs out there, this one is a stumper for me.

At Sears Point, October 28-29, I had an ignition problem that I'm at a loss
to resolve. The car is a series 1 Alpine with a series 5 (1725cc) engine, 12
volt with the polarity reversed to negative ground. The engine is basically
stock, with Zenith carbs and a Mallory dual point distributor. I'm also
using a Mallory ballast resistor.

On Saturday, in the rain, temperature around 65 degrees, the car ran
fantastic, easily attaining 6500rpm in 4'th gear. We finished 2'nd overall.
On Sunday, on a dry track with the temperature again around 65 degrees, the
performance was the same until the start of the 3'rd lap. At this point, as
I was entering turn 1, the engine stopped running..... just as if I had
turned the ignition off. All attempts at a restart failed.

After the end of the race when the tow truck arrived to tow me in, just for
kicks, I hit the starter and she came to life as though nothing had ever
gone wrong. I drove it around to the pits and up onto the trailer.

The next morning I fired it up and drove it off the trailer and into the
shop. It started right up but the ignition cut out if I tried to take it
over 2000rpm. The next day I started it and it ran through the entire rpm
range without hesitation.

The fuel system works fine; no problem here.

The timing was correct.

The ballast resister showed 1 ohm of resistance. The specs for the resistor
are 0.75 - 1.5 ohms, so no problem here.

I pulled the distributor and removed the points. One set of points showed
correct point gap and normal pitting for the amount of use. The other set of
points looked like they had been a plate for arc welding, with the entire
surface of the points badly pitted and rough. The gap appeared to be
correct; given the amount of pitting.

I replaced the points, condensor, ballast resistor, timed it and it runs
perfectly. Further inspection revealed one wire lead from the ballast
resistor to the coil that "wasn't as tight as I would like (but not falling
off, either)", which I tightened. Further, I inspected every wire and
connection between the engine and ground or back through the circuit to the
ignition/starting switches and no other problems.

Has anybody out there experienced similar problems? What was your cure?

Anybody have any idea what may have gone wrong? I'd sure hate to be at the
front of the pack again this weekend at Thunder Hill and have a similar
thing happen.

Thanks in advance!
    Carl McLelland
    email: carlmcle@saturnnet.com
    web:   http://carlynneracing.homestead.com/home.html

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