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Thanks. The new switch seems to be working good. It was also in a =
green box that says Lucas, made in England. I took to bad switch apart, =
but the contacts all seem to be perfect. Maybe the parts shifted and =
the contact do not line up anymore. That is possible. Unfortunately, =
the parts came apart so quickly I did not see how they were positioned =
for re-assemby. Is there a photo showing details? Thanks.
=20
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>=20
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2022 10:13 PM
To: rgperry@earthlink.net; jaystr8@comcast.net; 6pack@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 Ignition Switch failures
=20
Sounds like your typical low quality, low cost sourced parts. You could =
look for an OE part from a breakers yard. That might be your best bet. =
An alternative would be to use relays to carry the heavy current. That =
way the low quality ignition switch would only have to carry the coil =
current and the the full current. That's a crappy work around but =
sometimes that is what it takes.
=20
One of the suppliers once told me that they used to send a part to the =
Pacific rim and say make one like this. That didn't work out so well. =
Now they have to generate a drawing with material specifications and all =
sorts of things. But you still need a QA department to inspect the =
incoming material and that costs money, too. We don't have the volume =
to support this kind of support. It's the nature of the hobby at this =
point in time. If you can find genuine OE, go for it..
=20
Dave=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
>
Sent: Sun, Jul 10, 2022 6:57 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 Ignition Switch failures
Dave,
=20
The ignition switch would sometimes not provide enough power to the =
starter solenoid to start the starter then progressively got to the =
point that the starter would not start. I could jump the starter with a =
screwdriver and the starter would work. I took apart the switch and =
found that the fiberboard plate that rotates was scored and offset from =
the contacts. The contacts were dirty with pits and not smooth anymore. =
Basically wore out. The replacement switch worked for a short while =
but then started having the same problem. I took the replacement switch =
apart and found that the brass contacts were not aligned very well. The =
contacts were mating on a small patch on the side of the two contacts =
instead of full contact between the two contacts for the solenoid power =
wire.
=20
Regards,
=20
Robert
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Jul 8, 2022 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 Ignition Switch failures
=20
Interesting. I had a dodgy ignition switch in my 71 TR6. I replaced it =
and it has been fine ever since. That was 25 years and some 50,000 =
miles ago. =20
=20
What issues are you having? Mine would spontaneously switch off the =
ignition. A little wiggle would restore power. I've had no issues =
since.
=20
Dave=20
=20
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
>
Sent: Fri, Jul 8, 2022 6:09 am
Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 Ignition Switch failures
Jay,
=20
I have experienced this situation also. I just keep a spare ignition =
switch in the trunk. I have taken the switch apart before and cleaned =
the contacts. This works for a little bit of time if the contacts are =
not too burnt, but I end up replacing the switch.
=20
Regards,
=20
Robert
=20
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Jul 7, 2022 7:40 PM
Subject: [6pack] TR6 Ignition Switch failures
=20
I have just replaced the electrical switch part of the ignition switch =
on my 72 TR6, for the 2nd time in 2 years. Both switches were genuine =
Lucas parts. LU39415 The car has been driven a couple hundred miles =
during this period. I am wondering if there might be a situation with =
the car that is causing the failures? The wiring is pretty much stock, =
with a new harness 15 years ago. I did add a voltmeter a few years ago, =
but retained the ammeter. And added a circuit breaker in the headlight =
circuit. There was a burnt brown wire under the dash feeding power to =
the light switch, but I could not figure out if there was a problem or a =
dirty connector causing it to over heat. Is there any reason to add a =
relay? There doesn=E2=80=99t seem to be that much current in the =
red/white wire going to the starter solenoid. Thanks.
=20
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 =
face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Thanks. The new =
switch seems to be working good. It was also in a green box that =
says Lucas, made in England. I took to bad switch apart, but the =
contacts all seem to be perfect. Maybe the parts shifted and the =
contact do not line up anymore. That is possible. =
Unfortunately, the parts came apart so quickly I did not see how they =
were positioned for re-assemby. Is there a photo showing =
details? Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b> =
DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> <br><b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, July 10, 2022 10:13 =
PM<br><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
rgperry@earthlink.net; jaystr8@comcast.net; =
6pack@autox.team.net<br><b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [6pack] TR6 Ignition =
Switch failures<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 =
face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Sou=
nds like your typical low quality, low cost sourced parts. You =
could look for an OE part from a breakers yard. That might be your =
best bet. An alternative would be to use relays to carry the heavy =
current. That way the low quality ignition switch would only have =
to carry the coil current and the the full current. That's a =
crappy work around but sometimes that is what it =
takes.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>One=
of the suppliers once told me that they used to send a part to the =
Pacific rim and say make one like this. That didn't work out so =
well. Now they have to generate a drawing with material =
specifications and all sorts of things. But you still need a QA =
department to inspect the incoming material and that costs money, =
too. We don't have the volume to support this kind of =
support. It's the nature of the hobby at this point in time. =
If you can find genuine OE, go for =
it..<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
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class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dav=
e </span></font><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
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size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
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class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
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size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>---=
--Original Message-----<br>From: Robert Perry <<a =
href=3D"mailto:rgperry@earthlink.net";>rgperry@earthlink.net</a>><br>To=
: DAVID MASSEY <<a =
href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com";>dave1massey@cs.com</a>>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:jaystr8@comcast.net";>jaystr8@comcast.net</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net";>6pack@autox.team.net</a><br>Sent: =
Sun, Jul 10, 2022 6:57 pm<br>Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 Ignition Switch =
failures<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div =
id=3Dyiv5067006115><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dav=
e,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
ignition switch would sometimes not provide enough power to the starter =
solenoid to start the starter then progressively got to the point that =
the starter would not start. I could jump the starter with a =
screwdriver and the starter would work. I took apart the switch =
and found that the fiberboard plate that rotates was scored and offset =
from the contacts. The contacts were dirty with pits and not =
smooth anymore. Basically wore out. The replacement switch =
worked for a short while but then started having the same problem. =
I took the replacement switch apart and found that the brass contacts =
were not aligned very well. The contacts were mating on a small =
patch on the side of the two contacts instead of full contact between =
the two contacts for the solenoid power =
wire.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Reg=
ards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Rob=
ert<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><div =
id=3Dyiv5067006115yqt36776><div style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid =
#AAAAAA 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 11.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>---=
--Original Message-----<br>From: DAVID MASSEY <<a =
href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com";>dave1massey@cs.com</a>><br>Sent: =
Jul 8, 2022 6:50 AM<br>To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:rgperry@earthlink.net";>rgperry@earthlink.net</a> <<a =
href=3D"mailto:rgperry@earthlink.net";>rgperry@earthlink.net</a>>, <a =
href=3D"mailto:jaystr8@comcast.net";>jaystr8@comcast.net</a> <<a =
href=3D"mailto:jaystr8@comcast.net";>jaystr8@comcast.net</a>>, <a =
href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net";>6pack@autox.team.net</a> <<a =
href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net";>6pack@autox.team.net</a>><br>Subj=
ect: Re: [6pack] TR6 Ignition Switch =
failures<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Int=
eresting. I had a dodgy ignition switch in my 71 TR6. I =
replaced it and it has been fine ever since. That was 25 years and =
some 50,000 miles ago. </span></font><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D4 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Wha=
t issues are you having? Mine would spontaneously switch off the =
ignition. A little wiggle would restore power. I've had no =
issues since.</span></font><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D5 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dav=
e </span></font><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span></font><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>---=
--Original Message-----<br>From: Robert Perry <<a =
href=3D"mailto:rgperry@earthlink.net";>rgperry@earthlink.net</a>><br>To=
: Jay Snavely <<a =
href=3D"mailto:jaystr8@comcast.net";>jaystr8@comcast.net</a>>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net";>6pack@autox.team.net</a><br>Sent: =
Fri, Jul 8, 2022 6:09 am<br>Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 Ignition Switch =
failures</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></font></p><div id=3Dyiv5067006115><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Jay=
,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
have experienced this situation also. I just keep a spare ignition =
switch in the trunk. I have taken the switch apart before and =
cleaned the contacts. This works for a little bit of time if the =
contacts are not too burnt, but I end up replacing the =
switch.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Reg=
ards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Rob=
ert<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div =
id=3Dyiv5067006115yqt59378><div style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid =
#AAAAAA 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 11.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>---=
--Original Message-----<br>From: Jay Snavely <<a =
href=3D"mailto:jaystr8@comcast.net";>jaystr8@comcast.net</a>><br>Sent: =
Jul 7, 2022 7:40 PM<br>To: <<a =
href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net";>6pack@autox.team.net</a>><br>Subj=
ect: [6pack] TR6 Ignition Switch =
failures<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>I have just replaced the =
electrical switch part of the ignition switch on my 72 TR6, for the =
2<sup>nd</sup> time in 2 years. Both switches were genuine Lucas =
parts. LU39415 The car has been driven a couple hundred =
miles during this period. I am wondering if there might be a =
situation with the car that is causing the failures? The wiring is =
pretty much stock, with a new harness 15 years ago. I did add a =
voltmeter a few years ago, but retained the ammeter. And added a =
circuit breaker in the headlight circuit. There was a burnt brown wire =
under the dash feeding power to the light switch, but I could not figure =
out if there was a problem or a dirty connector causing it to over heat. =
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