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My opinion is using a bronze bearing carrier is extremely important to gett=
ing a smooth clutch action.
How heavy the clutch action on TR6 is has been a repeated discussion on th=
e list. Randell Young had a number of articles on TR6 clutch research by TR=
6 enthusiasts. I=E2=80=99ve had many standard shift cars and I can=E2=80=99t=
recall any having a heavier clutch action then the TR6 even many V8=E2=80=99=
s. There is an internal hydraulic clutch available for the TR6, but I don=
=E2=80=99t think the TRF magic clutch kit utilizes it.
Best
Bob
72=E2=80=99 TR6
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 18, 2021, at 5:54 PM, Greg Lemon <grglmn@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> I may be wrong, but I think the TRF Magic Clutch Kit has the slave cylinde=
r inside the bell housing. I don't have one, have heard many say it is a g=
ood kit, and I am sure it is, but that particular feature gives me a little c=
oncern.
>=20
>=20
> Greg Lemon
> TR250
>=20
>> On Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 4:11 PM rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie@gmail.com> wrote:=
>>=20
>> Thanks to all who responded to my post, and a few follow up questions/com=
ments:
>>=20
>> BERRY PRICE: You installed a LUK clutch and stated, =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6and=
its been trouble.=E2=80=9D Did you mean it=E2=80=99s been no trouble?
>>=20
>> TOM WALLING: I may be leaning toward the =E2=80=9CMagic Clutch Kit=E2=80=9D=
. Do they specify the brands of each component, or do you know from having i=
nstalled the kit?
>>=20
>> DICK TAYLOR: Would you recommend TRF=E2=80=99s kit, just their TO bearing=
, or some other combination? Is this the bearing that requires a counter sp=
ring on the slave?
>>=20
>> MARK BRADAKIS: Great story. Too bad you had to disassemble everything a s=
econd time after hearing the crunching sounds. Do you recommend TRF kit or s=
omething else?
>>=20
>> TIMOTHY HOLBROOK: Yes, I=E2=80=99m aware of the importance of proper alig=
nment and will ensure that the studs and bolts are properly in place.
>>=20
>> Thanks again to all. This is a very helpful resource to have.
>>=20
>> Bob Fabie
>> Fredericksburg, VA
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 1:13 PM Timothy Holbrook <tjh173@yahoo.com> wrot=
e:
>>> Hi Bob,
>>>=20
>>> Something that is VERY important is ensuring you have got all of the cor=
rect bolts in place for the bell housing (that is, the bolts that hold the t=
ransmission to the engine) and you put the right bolts in the right holes. S=
everal of the bolts are actually "locating pins". They are a specific diamet=
er with a shoulder (none-threaded portion) and must go in the specific prope=
r holes. These ensure proper alignment of the trans and engine, and therefo=
re also ensure proper alignment of the throwout bearing and pressure plate. =
Cheap insurance - buy all new bolts so you know you've got the correct prop=
er bolts, and spend time carefully ensuring you put the right bolts in the r=
ight holes. =20
>>>=20
>>> Regards,
>>> Tim Holbrook
>>> 1971 TR6 (which went through 3 throwout bearings in 1999 when I was dail=
y driving it)
>>>=20
>>> On Thursday, June 17, 2021, 06:35:58 PM EDT, rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie@g=
mail.com> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Fellow Enthusiasts,
>>>=20
>>> I know this is an old topic, but products and user experiences change ov=
er time, so in the midst of my engine/trans rebuild, I thought it best to ge=
t the group=E2=80=99s current collective wisdom.=20
>>>=20
>>> My current set up (which I intend to replace) is a Luk disc, pressure pl=
ate and RHP T/O bearing. The T/O bearing has left an indentation on the pres=
sure plate fingers. There=E2=80=99s no more than 5,000 miles on the clutch s=
ystem.=20
>>>=20
>>> While idling with the clutch out, there was always a whine-which I belie=
ve was the TO bearing spinning against the pressure plate=E2=80=99s straight=
fingers. The initial clutch engagement was somewhat sudden, not smooth.=20
>>>=20
>>> What are your experiences and recommendations?
>>>=20
>>> Thanks.=20
>>> Bob Fabie
>>> Fredericksburg, VA
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"> My opinion is using a bronze bearing c=
arrier is extremely important to getting a smooth clutch action.<div> H=
ow heavy the clutch action on TR6 is has been a repeated discussion on the l=
ist. Randell Young had a number of articles on TR6 clutch research by T=
R6 enthusiasts. I=E2=80=99ve had many standard shift cars and I can=E2=80=99=
t recall any having a heavier clutch action then the TR6 even many V8=E2=80=99=
s. There is an internal hydraulic clutch available for the=
TR6, but I don=E2=80=99t think the TRF magic clutch kit utilizes it.</div><=
div>Best</div><div> Bob</div><div>72=E2=80=99 TR6<br><br><div dir=3D"lt=
r">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">O=
n Jun 18, 2021, at 5:54 PM, Greg Lemon <grglmn@gmail.com> wrote:<br><b=
r></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<di=
v dir=3D"auto">I may be wrong, but I think the TRF Magic Clutch Kit has the s=
lave cylinder inside the bell housing. I don't have one, have he=
ard many say it is a good kit, and I am sure it is, but that particular feat=
ure gives me a little concern.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Greg Lemon</div><div dir=3D"au=
to">TR250</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 4:11 PM rmf3860 rmf3860 <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:bobfabie@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">bobfabi=
e@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks to all who responded to my post, and a few follo=
w up questions/comments:</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
BERRY PRICE: You installed a LUK clutch and stated, =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6and it=
s been trouble.=E2=80=9D Did you mean it=E2=80=99s been no trouble?</div><di=
v dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">TOM WALLING: I may be leaning tow=
ard the =E2=80=9CMagic Clutch Kit=E2=80=9D. Do they specify the brands of ea=
ch component, or do you know from having installed the kit?</div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">DICK TAYLOR: Would you recommend TRF=E2=80=
=99s kit, just their TO bearing, or some other combination? Is this th=
e bearing that requires a counter spring on the slave?</div><div dir=3D"auto=
"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">MARK BRADAKIS: Great story. Too bad you had to=
disassemble everything a second time after hearing the crunching sounds. Do=
you recommend TRF kit or something else?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"auto">TIMOTHY HOLBROOK: Yes, I=E2=80=99m aware of the importance o=
f proper alignment and will ensure that the studs and bolts are properly in p=
lace.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks again to all=
. This is a very helpful resource to have.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto">Bob Fabie</div><div dir=3D"auto">Fredericksburg, VA</div><=
div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 1=
:13 PM Timothy Holbrook <<a href=3D"mailto:tjh173@yahoo.com"; rel=3D"noref=
errer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">tjh173@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue=
,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Bob,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">Something that is VERY important is ensuring you have got all of the c=
orrect bolts in place for the bell housing (that is, the bolts that hold the=
transmission to the engine) and you put the right bolts in the right holes.=
Several of the bolts are actually "locating pins". They are a specifi=
c diameter with a shoulder (none-threaded portion) and must go in the specif=
ic proper holes. These ensure proper alignment of the trans and engine=
, and therefore also ensure proper alignment of the throwout bearing and pre=
ssure plate. Cheap insurance - buy all new bolts so you know you've go=
t the correct proper bolts, and spend time carefully ensuring you put the ri=
ght bolts in the right holes. </div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">Regards,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Tim Holbrook</div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">1971 TR6 (which went through 3 throwout bearings in 1999 when I was dai=
ly driving it)</div><div><br></div>
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uoted_4584035534"><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial=
,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a">
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On Thursday, June 17, 2021, 06:35:58 PM EDT, rmf3860 rmf=
3860 <<a href=3D"mailto:bobfabie@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer"=
target=3D"_blank">bobfabie@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
</div></div></div><div><div id=3D"m_-4051704816487101162m_65=
20235588941735319m_-601245172211548772ydpd6bd553ayahoo_quoted_4584035534"><d=
iv style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:13px;color:#26282a"><div></div></div></div></div><div><div id=3D"m_-405170=
4816487101162m_6520235588941735319m_-601245172211548772ydpd6bd553ayahoo_quot=
ed_4584035534"><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a"><div><div id=3D"m_-405170481648710116=
2m_6520235588941735319m_-601245172211548772ydpd6bd553ayiv9844700000"><div>Fe=
llow Enthusiasts,<div><br></div><div>I know this is an old topic, but produc=
ts and user experiences change over time, so in the midst of my engine/trans=
rebuild, I thought it best to get the group=E2=80=99s current collective wi=
sdom. </div><div><br></div><div>My current set up (which I intend to re=
place) is a Luk disc, pressure plate and RHP T/O bearing. The T/O bearing ha=
s left an indentation on the pressure plate fingers. There=E2=80=99s no more=
than 5,000 miles on the clutch system. </div><div><br></div><div>While=
idling with the clutch out, there was always a whine-which I believe was th=
e TO bearing spinning against the pressure plate=E2=80=99s straight fingers.=
The initial clutch engagement was somewhat sudden, not smooth. </div><=
div><br></div><div>What are your experiences and recommendations?</div><div>=
<br></div><div>Thanks. </div><div>Bob Fabie</div><div>Fredericksburg, V=
A</div>
</div>
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