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When one purchases a =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D MC they are mostly buying one =
with a clean bore. The condition of the bore in a used one can be seen =
inspecting it by eye, or looking down the bore with the aid of a camera =
scope to check the one at the bottom. If these bores are good, or at =
least hone-able, then a simple replacement of parts that come in a =
rebuild kit makes it as good as what one hopes to get in a new one. =
Pocket the $75 savings and take your lady out for a nice dinner, in the =
TR6. There=E2=80=99s also the satisfaction that comes with doing it =
yourself that one can=E2=80=99t put a price on. If one isn=E2=80=99t =
comfortable in any of this, then perhaps just dropping (or towing) the =
car to an auto repair shop would be best.=20
Dick
> Begin forwarded message:
>=20
> From: DAVE HOGYE via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] Master Cylinder Rebuild
> Date: May 17, 2020 at 9:39:22 AM PDT
> To: Robert Rochlin <rrochlin@comcast.net>, Richard Lindsay =
<richardolindsay@gmail.com>
> Cc: list Triumph <Triumphs@autox.team.net>, 6pack@autox.team.net
> Reply-To: DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye@comcast.net>
>=20
> If a new master cylinder is available, why bother with trying to =
rebuild an old one? I know that a rebuild kit is just a few dollars, but =
sending it off to have it rebuilt adds a lot to the cost. I have never =
rebuilt a master that was available new. Time is money and bent panels =
and paint repair are too, beside being dangerous. I learned very early =
in my mechanic learning to renew the brake fluid at least on an annual =
basis. This saves components from failure and adds long life to them. =
Wilwood and others make excellent replacement masters for the TR3 and =
they are at the most $80 new. At this cost, it does not make sense to =
rebuild one. I understand the TR6 has a different style master and may =
be more costly.=20
> Good luck for good brakes.=20
> Dave H.
>> On May 17, 2020 at 6:44 AM Robert Rochlin <rrochlin@comcast.net> =
wrote:=20
>>=20
>> Hi Richard,
>> I sent my m/c off to a reputable (I thought ) rebuilder for a =
complete rebuild and installed it back installed it in the TR6. As I =
recall it worked fine for a short time and then on day I was puling out =
of the garage and the brakes totally failed. The TR6 rolled int my P/U =
truck dented the door, and pushed in the front o the Tr6 hood. A very =
expensive afternoon. I sent the m/c back to the rebuilder as I had time =
to kill while the body shop fixed the TR6. They rebuilt the m/c again =
gratis and I reinstalled it. After about 8 months the m/c started to =
fail again, but slowly=E2=80=A6 I replaced it with a new Girling and it =
has gone several seasons working fine but now I=E2=80=99m getting the =
slow sinking pedal. Before replacing it again I am going to replace the =
seals myself.
>> Although I=E2=80=99ve had good luck with several rebuilt components =
including starters, carburetors, shocks, and distributers, I=E2=80=99ll =
never send a master cylinder to a rebuilder again.
>> Best,
>> Bob=20
>>=20
>>> On May 17, 2020, at 8:58 AM, Richard Lindsay < =
>>>=20
>>> Hello Bob, et al.,
>>>=20
>>> Glad you're well. Here is south Texas we too are relaxing the =
stay-at-home order and the older people (like me) are beginning to =
venture out, if still maintaining safe separation. The 'younglings' seem =
to think an All Clear has been sounded and they're back face to face. I =
wish them luck.
>>>=20
>>> I have had two, fresh from the box, M/Cs fail then a third, =
working fine. I don't wish to directly name and disparage the vendor =
since they are always quite willing to make things right, but their name =
does grow on the 'north side of the tree'. The question I ponder and why =
I am writing is to ask is: How did your M/Cs fail?
>>> In one of my unit's failures, fresh from the box, the front brake =
circuit worked fine (that's the one closer to the booster) but the rear =
brake circuit would flow no fluid. The second unit would flow no fluid =
through either circuit! The third M/C worked perfectly and still works =
great today!
>>>=20
>>> Did I get two poorly or incorrectly rebuilt cylinders? Someone in =
China just make mistakes? Did I do something wrong? Thus I ask: How did =
your M/C "fail catastrophically?"
>>>=20
>>> -rick
>>>=20
>>> On Sun, May 17, 2020, 6:38 AM Robert Rochlin via 6pack < =
>>> I hope everyone is hanging in there and doing well in this time of =
quarantine. It down=E2=80=99t look like here in Massachusetts the stay =
at home order will be completely lifted for several of more weeks, but =
some business slowly are beginning to be be allowed to reopen.=20
>>> I=E2=80=99ve had a checkered history with master cylinders. =
In the past I=E2=80=99ve sent m/c off to be rebuilt by reputable =
rebuilders only to have them catastrophically fail soon after =
reinstallation. I=E2=80=99m figuring that I can improve on that record. =
When I went to the Buckeye Triumph site to review the rebuild process =
the article recommended red grease. I don=E2=80=99t have any, but I do =
have Volvo silicone breaks grease. In the absence of red brake grease =
can I just apply brake fluid as lubricant to do the rebuild or should i =
bite the bullet and get the red brake grease. About the only red grease =
I could fine was on Amazon and it was pretty pricey, $16.00 plus $8.00 =
shipping.=20
>>> Any advice would be appreciated.=20
>>> Best,=20
>>> Bob=20
>>> =E2=80=9972 TR6=20
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class=3D"">When one purchases a =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D MC they are mostly =
buying one with a clean bore. The condition of the bore in a used one =
can be seen inspecting it by eye, or looking down the bore with the aid =
of a camera scope to check the one at the bottom. If these bores are =
good, or at least hone-able, then a simple replacement of parts that =
come in a rebuild kit makes it as good as what one hopes to get in a new =
one. Pocket the $75 savings and take your lady out for a nice dinner, in =
the TR6. There=E2=80=99s also the satisfaction that comes with doing it =
yourself that one can=E2=80=99t put a price on. If one isn=E2=80=99t =
comfortable in any of this, then perhaps just dropping (or towing) the =
car to an auto repair shop would be best. <div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Dick<br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">Begin =
forwarded message:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div =
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</b></span><span style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica =
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Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Robert Rochlin <<a =
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Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">list Triumph <<a =
href=3D"mailto:Triumphs@autox.team.net"; =
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</b></span><span style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica =
Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">DAVE HOGYE <<a =
href=3D"mailto:dlhogye@comcast.net"; =
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<div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=3D"">
If a new master cylinder is available, why bother with trying to =
rebuild an old one? I know that a rebuild kit is just a few dollars, but =
sending it off to have it rebuilt adds a lot to the cost. I have =
never rebuilt a master that was available new. Time is money and =
bent panels and paint repair are too, beside being dangerous. I =
learned very early in my mechanic learning to renew the brake fluid at =
least on an annual basis. This saves components from failure and =
adds long life to them. Wilwood and others make excellent =
replacement masters for the TR3 and they are at the most $80 new. =
At this cost, it does not make sense to rebuild one. I understand =
the TR6 has a different style master and may be more costly. =20
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<div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=3D"">
Good luck for good brakes.
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sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=3D"">
Dave H.
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
On May 17, 2020 at 6:44 AM Robert Rochlin <<a =
href=3D"mailto:rrochlin@comcast.net"; =
class=3D"">rrochlin@comcast.net</a>> wrote:=20
<br class=3D"">=20
<br class=3D""> Hi Richard,
<div class=3D"">
I sent my m/c off to a reputable (I thought ) rebuilder for a =
complete rebuild and installed it back installed it in the TR6. As =
I recall it worked fine for a short time and then on day I was puling =
out of the garage and the brakes totally failed. The TR6 rolled =
int my P/U truck dented the door, and pushed in the front o the Tr6 =
hood. A very expensive afternoon. I sent the m/c back to the rebuilder =
as I had time to kill while the body shop fixed the TR6. They =
rebuilt the m/c again gratis and I reinstalled it. After about 8 =
months the m/c started to fail again, but slowly=E2=80=A6 I replaced it =
with a new Girling and it has gone several seasons working fine but now =
I=E2=80=99m getting the slow sinking pedal. Before replacing it again I =
am going to replace the seals myself.
</div>
<div class=3D"">
Although I=E2=80=99ve had good luck with several rebuilt =
components including starters, carburetors, shocks, and distributers, =
I=E2=80=99ll never send a master cylinder to a rebuilder again.
</div>
<div class=3D"">
Best,
</div>
<div class=3D"">
Bob=20
<br class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
On May 17, 2020, at 8:58 AM, Richard Lindsay <=20
<a class=3D"" =
href=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com";>richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>>=
; wrote:
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<div class=3D"">
Hello Bob,=20
<em class=3D"">et al.</em>,
</div>
<div class=3D"" dir=3D"auto">
<br class=3D"">
<div class=3D"" dir=3D"auto">
Glad you're well. Here is south Texas we too are =
relaxing the stay-at-home order and the older people (like me) are =
beginning to venture out, if still maintaining safe separation. The =
'younglings' seem to think an=20
<em class=3D"">All Clear</em> has been sounded and they're =
back face to face. I wish them luck.
</div>
<div class=3D"" dir=3D"auto">
<br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"" dir=3D"auto">
I have had two, fresh from the box, M/Cs =
fail then a third, working fine. I don't wish to directly name and =
disparage the vendor since they are always quite willing to make things =
right, but their name does grow on the 'north side of the tree'. The =
question I ponder and why I am writing is to ask is: How did your M/Cs =
fail?
</div>
<div class=3D"" dir=3D"auto">
In one of my unit's failures, fresh from the box, =
the front brake circuit worked fine (that's the one closer to the =
booster) but the rear brake circuit would flow no fluid. The second unit =
would flow no fluid through either circuit! The third M/C worked =
perfectly and still works great today!
</div>
<div class=3D"" dir=3D"auto">
<br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"" dir=3D"auto">
Did I get two poorly or incorrectly rebuilt =
cylinders? Someone in China just make mistakes? Did I do something =
wrong? Thus I ask: How did your M/C "fail catastrophically?"
</div>
<div class=3D"" dir=3D"auto">
<br class=3D"">
</div>-rick
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On Sun, May 17, 2020, 6:38 AM Robert Rochlin via 6pack <=20=
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I hope everyone is hanging in there and doing well in this =
time of quarantine. It down=E2=80=99t look like here in =
Massachusetts the stay at home order will be completely lifted for =
several of more weeks, but some business slowly are beginning to be be =
allowed to reopen.=20
<br class=3D""> I=E2=80=99ve had =
a checkered history with master cylinders. In the past I=E2=80=99ve sent =
m/c off to be rebuilt by reputable rebuilders only to have them =
catastrophically fail soon after reinstallation. I=E2=80=99m =
figuring that I can improve on that record. When I went to the =
Buckeye Triumph site to review the rebuild process the article =
recommended red grease. I don=E2=80=99t have any, but I do have =
Volvo silicone breaks grease. In the absence of red brake grease =
can I just apply brake fluid as lubricant to do the rebuild or should i =
bite the bullet and get the red brake grease. About the only red =
grease I could fine was on Amazon and it was pretty pricey, $16.00 plus =
$8.00 shipping.=20
<br class=3D""> Any advice would =
be appreciated.=20
<br class=3D""> Best,=20
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