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Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own
stupidity. I screwed up. But the follow-up is where I think others need to
be careful.
Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage, I have been
looking for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub. I
recently saw one on eBay which was advertised as being "in good condition".
It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the seller twice and asked
specifically about the extent of the rust: he replied by assuring me the
car was "in great condition" with "minimal rust". I asked for additional
pics, but he said it was difficult as the car was at a different location.
After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to pick the car up
within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone for a week.
The car was several hours away and I explained I couldn't make it. He said
OK, but he wanted the money immediately. I called PayPal and they said I
would lose any protection if I paid before seeing the car. So I called eBay
and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay vehicle protection plan
(VPP). So I paid. My mistake.
A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough to put
my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision damage I doubt
it could ever be restored. Oh, and the frame was bent. I told him I wasn't
going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I wanted my money back.
He told me tough, you paid already, it's yours.
I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to cars
less than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than to sue the
seller. After several sleepless nights I decided I could do without the
stress of litigation and so I drove back out to collect the car. When I got
there the seller told me he had sold it to someone else. Great, I said,
give me my money. Nah, he said, you take it and I'll deal with the other
guy. The seller had brought a few buddies over, and so I simply loaded the
car up and drove home.
Bottom line - I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of which
is fiberglass. The car is being collected this week for a trip to the
scrapyard.
It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it. Thankfully, my lovely
wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy. But I did
leave negative feedback on eBay. The EXACT words were "Total
misrepresentation of the car. Buyers beware". It never posted. I called
eBay today and was told the seller had appealed my feedback as it was
"pejorative and threatened the future success of his business". As a result
eBay had the right to remove it - and they did. And they will not let me
leave any negative feedback.
I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little more cynical about
mankind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay. I guess I am
venting, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub...
Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan
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style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Before I start the =
story, let me take full responsibility for my own stupidity. I =
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careful.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Having bought a TR3 with =
a body which was beyond salvage, I have been looking for, and was =
prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub. I recently saw one =
on eBay which was advertised as being “in good =
condition”. It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the seller =
<u>twice</u> and asked specifically about the extent of the rust: =
he replied by assuring me the car was “in great condition” =
with “minimal rust”. I asked for additional pics, but =
he said it was difficult as the car was at a different =
location.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>After I bid and won, the =
seller emailed me to say I had to pick the car up within 24 hours as he =
had a family commitment and would be gone for a week. The car was =
several hours away and I explained I couldn’t make it. He =
said OK, but he wanted the money immediately. I called PayPal and =
they said I would lose any protection if I paid before seeing the =
car. So I called eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by =
the eBay vehicle protection plan (VPP). So I paid. My =
mistake.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>A week later I drove out =
and found a car with rust holes big enough to put my hand through and a =
passenger side with so much collision damage I doubt it could ever =
be restored. Oh, and the frame was bent. I told him I =
wasn’t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I =
wanted my money back. He told me tough, you paid already, =
it’s yours.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>I came home and called =
eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to cars less than 10 years old =
and that I had no recourse other than to sue the seller. After =
several sleepless nights I decided I could do without the stress of =
litigation and so I drove back out to collect the car. When I got =
there the seller told me he had sold it to someone else. Great, I =
said, give me my money. Nah, he said, you take it and I’ll =
deal with the other guy. The seller had brought a few buddies =
over, and so I simply loaded the car up and drove =
home.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Bottom line – I =
salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of which is =
fiberglass. The car is being collected this week for a trip to the =
scrapyard.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>It was my fault and I =
accept responsibility for it. Thankfully, my lovely wife has not =
given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy. But I did =
leave negative feedback on eBay. The EXACT words were “Total =
misrepresentation of the car. Buyers beware”. It never =
posted. I called eBay today and was told the seller had appealed =
my feedback as it was “pejorative and threatened the future =
success of his business”. As a result eBay had the right to =
remove it – and they did. And they will not let me leave any =
negative feedback.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>I still love the Triumph =
community, but I am a little more cynical about mankind (which is a =
shame) and I am disgusted with eBay. I guess I am venting, but if =
anyone has a good TR3 tub………<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Andrew =
Uprichard<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Jackson, =
Michigan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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