Subject: Re: [WPTA] 1500 Spitfire oil pump install

From: Gary Fredo via Wpta <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 19:27:10 +0000 (UTC)

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 From looking at the repair manual and parts manual it looks like it should=
 slide right in.=C2=A0 It's been a long time since I've had an oil pump out=
 of a Spitfire engine.=C2=A0 Probably 30 years so mostly going by memory wh=
ich isn't too good.=C2=A0 Anyway, you mentioned below that "nothing was mov=
ed or loosened at the distributor".=C2=A0 Actually you spun the camshaft an=
d the distributor when you spun the crankshaft.=C2=A0 I think the oil pump =
shaft slot (at the bottom of the distributor) is slightly off center so you=
 may have to spin the oil pump shaft 180 degrees to get them to line up.=C2=
=A0 That's about all I can think of right now.
Hope that helps.
Gary=C2=A0
    On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 12:48:12 PM EDT, Tim Prell via Wpta <wpta@a=
utox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
 I started the process of replacing thrust washers in my 77 Spitfire this s=
pring and after encouragement from a Triumph Spitfire restoration and suppo=
rt forum, also tried replacing main bearings and rod bearings in place.(for=
 better or worse). In order to access the mid-crank rod bearing bolts, I re=
moved the oil pump (cover plate, inner rotor, outer rotor shaft assembly). =
Now that all the work is complete and the engine spins as expected, the oil=
 pump inner rotor and shaft will not slide fully back into place - it fits =
into its slot but stops at ~ 1 - 1.5" from fully inserted. I can see the sl=
ot at the end of the distributor assembly and a second opening in a plate f=
or the inner rotor and shaft to slip through which must be blocking the sha=
ft. The inner rotor shaft assembly spins easily. Any ideas on what can be d=
isplaced that won't allow the shaft to completely slide into place would be=
 helpful. Nothing was moved or loosened at the distributor - I only worked =
on the lower end to replace thrust washers and main plus rod bearings. Some=
 pics attached.
thanks for feedback (at least serious feedback :-).
Tim_______________________________________________
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">From looking at the repair m=
anual and parts manual it looks like it should slide right in.&nbsp; It's b=
een a long time since I've had an oil pump out of a Spitfire engine.&nbsp; =
Probably 30 years so mostly going by memory which isn't too good.&nbsp; Any=
way, you mentioned below that "nothing was moved or loosened at the distrib=
utor".&nbsp; Actually you spun the camshaft and the distributor when you sp=
un the crankshaft.&nbsp; I think the oil pump shaft slot (at the bottom of =
the distributor) is slightly off center so you may have to spin the oil pum=
p shaft 180 degrees to get them to line up.&nbsp; That's about all I can th=
ink of right now.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><di=
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                    On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 12:48:12 PM EDT, Tim Prell =
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1vvkbs ydp95f63d8eyiv4585337022gmail-x126k92a"><div style=3D"font-family:in=
herit;">I started the process of replacing thrust washers in my 77 Spitfire=
 this spring and after encouragement from a Triumph Spitfire restoration an=
d support forum, also tried replacing main bearings and rod bearings in pla=
ce.(for better or worse). In order to access the mid-crank rod bearing bolt=
s, I removed the oil pump (cover plate, inner rotor, outer rotor shaft asse=
mbly). Now that all the work is complete and the engine spins as expected, =
the oil pump inner rotor and shaft will not slide fully back into place - i=
t fits into its slot but stops at ~ 1 - 1.5" from fully inserted. </div></d=
iv><div style=3D"margin:0.5em 0px 0px;font-family:UI Helvetica, Arial, sans=
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ont-family:inherit;">I can see the slot at the end of the distributor assem=
bly and a second opening in a plate for the inner rotor and shaft to slip t=
hrough which must be blocking the shaft. The inner rotor shaft assembly spi=
ns easily. Any ideas on what can be displaced that won't allow the shaft to=
 completely slide into place would be helpful. Nothing was moved or loosene=
d at the distributor - I only worked on the lower end to replace thrust was=
hers and main plus rod bearings. Some pics attached.</div><div style=3D"fon=
t-family:inherit;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:inherit;">thanks for=
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Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 20:37:05 -0400

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I=E2=80=99d pull the distributor and see if the pump will then fit. And =
then place the distributor back into the engine.

JVV

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From: Wpta <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Gary Fredo via =
Wpta
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 3:27 PM
To: WPTA <[email-masked]>; Tim Prell <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [WPTA] 1500 Spitfire oil pump install

=20

>From looking at the repair manual and parts manual it looks like it =
should slide right in.  It's been a long time since I've had an oil pump =
out of a Spitfire engine.  Probably 30 years so mostly going by memory =
which isn't too good.  Anyway, you mentioned below that "nothing was =
moved or loosened at the distributor".  Actually you spun the camshaft =
and the distributor when you spun the crankshaft.  I think the oil pump =
shaft slot (at the bottom of the distributor) is slightly off center so =
you may have to spin the oil pump shaft 180 degrees to get them to line =
up.  That's about all I can think of right now.

=20

Hope that helps.

=20

Gary=20

=20

On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 12:48:12 PM EDT, Tim Prell via Wpta =

=20

=20

I started the process of replacing thrust washers in my 77 Spitfire this =
spring and after encouragement from a Triumph Spitfire restoration and =
support forum, also tried replacing main bearings and rod bearings in =
place.(for better or worse). In order to access the mid-crank rod =
bearing bolts, I removed the oil pump (cover plate, inner rotor, outer =
rotor shaft assembly). Now that all the work is complete and the engine =
spins as expected, the oil pump inner rotor and shaft will not slide =
fully back into place - it fits into its slot but stops at ~ 1 - 1.5" =
from fully inserted.=20

I can see the slot at the end of the distributor assembly and a second =
opening in a plate for the inner rotor and shaft to slip through which =
must be blocking the shaft. The inner rotor shaft assembly spins easily. =
Any ideas on what can be displaced that won't allow the shaft to =
completely slide into place would be helpful. Nothing was moved or =
loosened at the distributor - I only worked on the lower end to replace =
thrust washers and main plus rod bearings. Some pics attached.

=20

=20

Tim

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99d pull the =
distributor and see if the pump will then fit. And then place the =
distributor back into the engine.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>JVV<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Wpta =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary Fredo via =
Wpta<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 4, 2023 3:27 PM<br><b>To:</b> WPTA =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Tim Prell =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WPTA] 1500 Spitfire =
oil pump install<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>From =
looking at the repair manual and parts manual it looks like it should =
slide right in.&nbsp; It's been a long time since I've had an oil pump =
out of a Spitfire engine.&nbsp; Probably 30 years so mostly going by =
memory which isn't too good.&nbsp; Anyway, you mentioned below that =
&quot;nothing was moved or loosened at the distributor&quot;.&nbsp; =
Actually you spun the camshaft and the distributor when you spun the =
crankshaft.&nbsp; I think the oil pump shaft slot (at the bottom of the =
distributor) is slightly off center so you may have to spin the oil pump =
shaft 180 degrees to get them to line up.&nbsp; That's about all I can =
think of right now.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Hope that =
helps.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Gary&nbsp;<=
o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"ydp95f63d8eyahoo_quoted_8635195469"><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 12:48:12 PM EDT, Tim Prell via Wpta =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
id=3Dydp95f63d8eyiv4585337022><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"inherit",serif;color:#050505'>I =
started the process of replacing thrust washers in my 77 Spitfire this =
spring and after encouragement from a Triumph Spitfire restoration and =
support forum, also tried replacing main bearings and rod bearings in =
place.(for better or worse). In order to access the mid-crank rod =
bearing bolts, I removed the oil pump (cover plate, inner rotor, outer =
rotor shaft assembly). Now that all the work is complete and the engine =
spins as expected, the oil pump inner rotor and shaft will not slide =
fully back into place - it fits into its slot but stops at ~ 1 - =
1.5&quot; from fully inserted. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
style=3D'margin-top:6.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"inherit",serif;color:#050505'>I =
can see the slot at the end of the distributor assembly and a second =
opening in a plate for the inner rotor and shaft to slip through which =
must be blocking the shaft. The inner rotor shaft assembly spins easily. =
Any ideas on what can be displaced that won't allow the shaft to =
completely slide into place would be helpful. Nothing was moved or =
loosened at the distributor - I only worked on the lower end to replace =
thrust washers and main plus rod bearings. Some pics =
attached.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"inherit",serif;color:#050505'><o:p=
>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"inherit",serif;color:#050505'>than=
ks for feedback (at least serious feedback =
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From: Bruce Stutzman via Wpta <[email-masked]>
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Tim
If you haven't already done so, draw a line with a marker down the dizzy
amd mount so you can put it together as you got it.

On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 8:59=E2=80=AFPM jerryvvtr4a--- via Wpta <wpta@autox.=
team.net>
wrote:

> I=E2=80=99d pull the distributor and see if the pump will then fit. And t=
hen place
> the distributor back into the engine.
>
> JVV
>
>
>
> *From:* Wpta <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Gary Fredo via
> Wpta
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 4, 2023 3:27 PM
> *To:* WPTA <[email-masked]>; Tim Prell <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [WPTA] 1500 Spitfire oil pump install
>
>
>
> From looking at the repair manual and parts manual it looks like it shoul=
d
> slide right in.  It's been a long time since I've had an oil pump out of =
a
> Spitfire engine.  Probably 30 years so mostly going by memory which isn't
> too good.  Anyway, you mentioned below that "nothing was moved or loosene=
d
> at the distributor".  Actually you spun the camshaft and the distributor
> when you spun the crankshaft.  I think the oil pump shaft slot (at the
> bottom of the distributor) is slightly off center so you may have to spin
> the oil pump shaft 180 degrees to get them to line up.  That's about all =
I
> can think of right now.
>
>
>
> Hope that helps.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 12:48:12 PM EDT, Tim Prell via Wpta <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I started the process of replacing thrust washers in my 77 Spitfire this
> spring and after encouragement from a Triumph Spitfire restoration and
> support forum, also tried replacing main bearings and rod bearings in
> place.(for better or worse). In order to access the mid-crank rod bearing
> bolts, I removed the oil pump (cover plate, inner rotor, outer rotor shaf=
t
> assembly). Now that all the work is complete and the engine spins as
> expected, the oil pump inner rotor and shaft will not slide fully back in=
to
> place - it fits into its slot but stops at ~ 1 - 1.5" from fully inserted=
.
>
> I can see the slot at the end of the distributor assembly and a second
> opening in a plate for the inner rotor and shaft to slip through which mu=
st
> be blocking the shaft. The inner rotor shaft assembly spins easily. Any
> ideas on what can be displaced that won't allow the shaft to completely
> slide into place would be helpful. Nothing was moved or loosened at the
> distributor - I only worked on the lower end to replace thrust washers an=
d
> main plus rod bearings. Some pics attached.
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Tim<div>If you haven&#39;t already done so, draw a line wi=
th a marker down the=C2=A0dizzy amd mount so you can put it together as you=
 got it.</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 8:59=E2=80=AFPM jerryv=
vtr4a--- via Wpta &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
m.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:=
1ex"><div class=3D"msg-329902312110424968"><div lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"ove=
rflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class=3D"m_-329902312110424968WordSection1"><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99d pull the distributor and see if the pump =
will then fit. And then place the distributor back into the engine.<u></u><=
u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">JVV<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div style=3D"border-right:none;border-botto=
m:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0=
in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Wpta &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wpta=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary Fredo via Wpta<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 4=
, 2023 3:27 PM<br><b>To:</b> WPTA &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Tim Prell &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>=
Subject:</b> Re: [WPTA] 1500 Spitfire oil pump install<u></u><u></u></p></d=
iv></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-ser=
if">From looking at the repair manual and parts manual it looks like it sho=
uld slide right in.=C2=A0 It&#39;s been a long time since I&#39;ve had an o=
il pump out of a Spitfire engine.=C2=A0 Probably 30 years so mostly going b=
y memory which isn&#39;t too good.=C2=A0 Anyway, you mentioned below that &=
quot;nothing was moved or loosened at the distributor&quot;.=C2=A0 Actually=
 you spun the camshaft and the distributor when you spun the crankshaft.=C2=
=A0 I think the oil pump shaft slot (at the bottom of the distributor) is s=
lightly off center so you may have to spin the oil pump shaft 180 degrees t=
o get them to line up.=C2=A0 That&#39;s about all I can think of right now.=
<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-fa=
mily:Helvetica,sans-serif">Hope that helps.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvet=
ica,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Gary=
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/span></p></div></div><div id=3D"m_-329902312110424968ydp95f63d8eyahoo_quot=
ed_8635195469"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10=
pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">On Tuesday, July 4=
, 2023 at 12:48:12 PM EDT, Tim Prell via Wpta &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wpta@au=
tox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: <u></u><=
u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u=
></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></span></p></div><div><div id=3D"m_-329902312110424968ydp95f63d8eyiv458=
5337022"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14p=
t;font-family:&quot;inherit&quot;,serif;color:rgb(5,5,5)">I started the pro=
cess of replacing thrust washers in my 77 Spitfire this spring and after en=
couragement from a Triumph Spitfire restoration and support forum, also tri=
ed replacing main bearings and rod bearings in place.(for better or worse).=
 In order to access the mid-crank rod bearing bolts, I removed the oil pump=
 (cover plate, inner rotor, outer rotor shaft assembly). Now that all the w=
ork is complete and the engine spins as expected, the oil pump inner rotor =
and shaft will not slide fully back into place - it fits into its slot but =
stops at ~ 1 - 1.5&quot; from fully inserted. <u></u><u></u></span></p></di=
v></div><div style=3D"margin-top:6pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:&quot;inherit&quot;,serif;color:rgb(5,5,5)=
">I can see the slot at the end of the distributor assembly and a second op=
ening in a plate for the inner rotor and shaft to slip through which must b=
e blocking the shaft. The inner rotor shaft assembly spins easily. Any idea=
s on what can be displaced that won&#39;t allow the shaft to completely sli=
de into place would be helpful. Nothing was moved or loosened at the distri=
butor - I only worked on the lower end to replace thrust washers and main p=
lus rod bearings. Some pics attached.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:&quot;inheri=
t&quot;,serif;color:rgb(5,5,5)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:&quot;inher=
it&quot;,serif;color:rgb(5,5,5)">thanks for feedback (at least serious feed=
back :-).<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:&quot;inherit&quot;,serif;color:rgb(5,5,=
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style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:&quot;inherit&quot;,serif;color:rgb(5,5=
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From: Tim Prell via Wpta <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2023 14:19:50 -0400

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lol - finally fund a youtube video and saw that the oil pump housing should
have come off when assembly screws were removed. Something else is holding
it in place but a well placed bump with a rubber mallet aligned things
nicely. Glad I don't charge myself by the hour! ha ha

current problem seems to be solved and on to the next. Gotta get the
Spitfire up and running before PVGP!

Tim

On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 12:13=E2=80=AFPM Tim Prell <[email-masked]> wrote=

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<div dir=3D"ltr">lol - finally fund a youtube video and saw that the oil pu=
mp housing should have come off when assembly screws were removed. Somethin=
g else is holding it in place but a well placed bump with a rubber mallet a=
ligned things nicely. Glad I don&#39;t charge myself by the hour! ha ha<div=
><br></div><div>current problem seems to be solved and on to the next. Gott=
a get the Spitfire up and running before PVGP!</div><div><br></div><div>Tim=
</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_=
attr">On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 12:13=E2=80=AFPM Tim Prell &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px so=
lid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"margi=
n:0px;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI Historic&quot;,&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,Helvet=
ica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(5,5,5);font-size:18.75px"><div dir=3D"auto" =
style=3D"font-family:inherit">I started the process of replacing thrust was=
hers in my 77 Spitfire this spring and after encouragement from a Triumph S=
pitfire restoration and support forum, also tried replacing main bearings a=
nd rod bearings in place.(for better or worse). In order to access the mid-=
crank rod bearing bolts, I removed the oil pump (cover plate, inner rotor, =
outer rotor shaft assembly). Now that all the work is complete and the engi=
ne spins as expected, the oil pump inner rotor and shaft will not slide ful=
ly back into place - it fits into its slot but stops at ~ 1 - 1.5&quot; fro=
m fully inserted. </div></div><div style=3D"margin:0.5em 0px 0px;font-famil=
y:&quot;Segoe UI Historic&quot;,&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-s=
erif;color:rgb(5,5,5);font-size:18.75px"><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:inherit">I can see the slot at the end of the distributor assembly and=
 a second opening in a plate for the inner rotor and shaft to slip through =
which must be blocking the shaft. The inner rotor shaft assembly spins easi=
ly. Any ideas on what can be displaced that won&#39;t allow the shaft to co=
mpletely slide into place would be helpful. Nothing was moved or loosened a=
t the distributor - I only worked on the lower end to replace thrust washer=
s and main plus rod bearings. Some pics attached.</div><div dir=3D"auto" st=
yle=3D"font-family:inherit"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:inherit">th=
anks for feedback (at least serious feedback :-).</div><div style=3D"font-f=
amily:inherit"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:inherit">Tim</div></div>=
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From: Gary Fredo via Wpta <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2023 20:22:53 +0000 (UTC)

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 Tim,
Look in your repair manual page 12-1.=C2=A0 This should be the first page i=
n the Engine section.=C2=A0 Look at the picture in the lower right corner o=
f page 12-1.=C2=A0 That picture shows three parts.=C2=A0 1. the top is the =
gear and slot that the distributer fits into.=C2=A0 This is one part.=C2=A0=
 The gear is turned by a gear on the camshaft.=C2=A0 2. The lower shaft fit=
s into the oil pump.=C2=A0 This is the oil pump drive and it is connected t=
o the top part with a pin through the upper area of the shaft.=C2=A0 The li=
ttle circle on the left side of the shaft just above the gear in the photo =
represents the pin that holds the two parts together.=C2=A0 3.=C2=A0 There =
is a washer below gear.
Don't remove the part (2 pieces as described above) with the gear as it nee=
ds to be put back in the exact position that it was removed.=C2=A0 The proc=
edure is explained on page 12-2 starting with step #11.=C2=A0
So looking back at the photo on page 12-1, you can see where we are confuse=
d.=C2=A0 The only fixed collar that I can see would be the washer.=C2=A0 Bu=
t if the lower shaft (#2 above) is in place then there is no way that could=
 move out of place.=C2=A0 Likewise I don't think the oil pump shaft would e=
ven reach that washer ever if the lower shaft (#2 above) was in place..
Is the lower shaft (#2 above) still in place or did it come out when you re=
moved the oil pump?
Also email me any pictures that you have as my flip phone doesn't do a very=
 good job of showing pictures.
Hope that helps.
Gary
    On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 01:26:53 PM EDT, Tim Prell <[email-masked]=
om> wrote: =20
=20
 Appreciate the feedback but the problem truly is about this lower unit hou=
sing shifting somehow and not allowing the oil pump rotor shaft to slide up=
 and into a corresponding fixed collar where the gear below the distributor=
 sits. I have tried to include better pics to illustrate. I have pulled the=
 distributor to merely confirm this problem. The rotor shaft should slide u=
p until almost flush with the top of this housing to meet the bottom blade =
of the dizzy gear assembly.
Anyone know how this lower assembly is attached?
Tim
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023, Bruce Stutzman <[email-masked]> wrote:

TimIf you haven't already done so, draw a line with a marker down the=C2=A0=
dizzy amd mount so you can put it together as you got it.

team.net> wrote:

I=E2=80=99d pull the distributor and see if the pump will then fit. And the=
n place the distributor back into the engine.

JVV

=C2=A0

From: Wpta <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Gary Fredo via Wpta
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 3:27 PM
To: WPTA <[email-masked]>; Tim Prell <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [WPTA] 1500 Spitfire oil pump install

=C2=A0

>From looking at the repair manual and parts manual it looks like it should =
slide right in.=C2=A0 It's been a long time since I've had an oil pump out =
of a Spitfire engine.=C2=A0 Probably 30 years so mostly going by memory whi=
ch isn't too good.=C2=A0 Anyway, you mentioned below that "nothing was move=
d or loosened at the distributor".=C2=A0 Actually you spun the camshaft and=
 the distributor when you spun the crankshaft.=C2=A0 I think the oil pump s=
haft slot (at the bottom of the distributor) is slightly off center so you =
may have to spin the oil pump shaft 180 degrees to get them to line up.=C2=
=A0 That's about all I can think of right now.

=C2=A0

Hope that helps.

=C2=A0

Gary=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 12:48:12 PM EDT, Tim Prell via Wpta <wpta@autox=
.team.net> wrote:=20

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

I started the process of replacing thrust washers in my 77 Spitfire this sp=
ring and after encouragement from a Triumph Spitfire restoration and suppor=
t forum, also tried replacing main bearings and rod bearings in place.(for =
better or worse). In order to access the mid-crank rod bearing bolts, I rem=
oved the oil pump (cover plate, inner rotor, outer rotor shaft assembly). N=
ow that all the work is complete and the engine spins as expected, the oil =
pump inner rotor and shaft will not slide fully back into place - it fits i=
nto its slot but stops at ~ 1 - 1.5" from fully inserted.=20

I can see the slot at the end of the distributor assembly and a second open=
ing in a plate for the inner rotor and shaft to slip through which must be =
blocking the shaft. The inner rotor shaft assembly spins easily. Any ideas =
on what can be displaced that won't allow the shaft to completely slide int=
o place would be helpful. Nothing was moved or loosened at the distributor =
- I only worked on the lower end to replace thrust washers and main plus ro=
d bearings. Some pics attached.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Tim

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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydp50e06426yahoo-style-wrap" style=
=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px=
;"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Tim,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" d=
ata-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Look =
in your repair manual page 12-1.&nbsp; This should be the first page in the=
 Engine section.&nbsp; Look at the picture in the lower right corner of pag=
e 12-1.&nbsp; That picture shows three parts.&nbsp; 1. the top is the gear =
and slot that the distributer fits into.&nbsp; This is one part.&nbsp; The =
gear is turned by a gear on the camshaft.&nbsp; 2. The lower shaft fits int=
o the oil pump.&nbsp; This is the oil pump drive and it is connected to the=
 top part with a pin through the upper area of the shaft.&nbsp; The little =
circle on the left side of the shaft just above the gear in the photo repre=
sents the pin that holds the two parts together.&nbsp; 3.&nbsp; There is a =
washer below gear.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Don't remove the part (2 pieces as des=
cribed above) with the gear as it needs to be put back in the exact positio=
n that it was removed.&nbsp; The procedure is explained on page 12-2 starti=
ng with step #11.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">So looking back at the photo on p=
age 12-1, you can see where we are confused.&nbsp; The only fixed collar th=
at I can see would be the washer.&nbsp; But if the lower shaft (#2 above) i=
s in place then there is no way that could move out of place.&nbsp; Likewis=
e I don't think the oil pump shaft would even reach that washer ever if the=
 lower shaft (#2 above) was in place..</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D=
"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Is the lower shaft=
 (#2 above) still in place or did it come out when you removed the oil pump=
?</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" da=
ta-setdir=3D"false">Also email me any pictures that you have as my flip pho=
ne doesn't do a very good job of showing pictures.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" da=
ta-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Hope t=
hat helps.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Gary</div><div><br></div>
       =20
        </div><div id=3D"ydpbb36b29cyahoo_quoted_9665250129" class=3D"ydpbb=
36b29cyahoo_quoted">
            <div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, s=
ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
               =20
                <div>
                    On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 01:26:53 PM EDT, Tim Prell =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydpbb36b29cyiv9556517446"><div>Appreciate t=
he feedback but the problem truly is about this lower unit housing shifting=
 somehow and not allowing the oil pump rotor shaft to slide up and into a c=
orresponding fixed collar where the gear below the distributor sits. I have=
 tried to include better pics to illustrate. I have pulled the distributor =
to merely confirm this problem. The rotor shaft should slide up until almos=
t flush with the top of this housing to meet the bottom blade of the dizzy =
gear assembly.</div><div><br></div><div>Anyone know how this lower assembly=
 is attached?</div><div><br></div><div>Tim</div><br>On Wednesday, July 5, 2=
023, Bruce Stutzman &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofoll=
ow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" class=
=3D"ydpbb36b29cyiv9556517446gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">Tim<div>If you ha=
ven't already done so, draw a line with a marker down the&nbsp;dizzy amd mo=
unt so you can put it together as you got it.</div><div><br></div></div><br=
><div class=3D"ydpbb36b29cyiv9556517446gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"ydpbb36b29cyiv9556517446gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 8:59=E2=80=
=AFPM jerryvvtr4a--- via Wpta &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" re=
l=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(2=
04,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class=3D"ydpbb36b29cyiv9556517446gmail_quote=
"><div><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div><p class=3D"ydpbb36b29cyiv9556517446MsoNorm=
al">I=E2=80=99d pull the distributor and see if the pump will then fit. And=
 then place the distributor back into the engine.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"ydpbb36b29cyiv9556517446MsoNormal">JVV<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"ydp=
bb36b29cyiv9556517446MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><div><div style=3D"=
border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid =
rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"ydpbb36b29cyiv9556517446=
MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Wpta &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary Fredo via Wpta<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 4, 2=
023 3:27 PM<br><b>To:</b> WPTA &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" r=
el=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Tim Prell &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">t=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WPTA] 1500 Spitfire oil pu=
mp install<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"ydpbb36b29cyiv955651744=
6MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"ydpbb36b29cyiv955=
6517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans=
-serif;">From looking at the repair manual and parts manual it looks like i=
t should slide right in.&nbsp; It's been a long time since I've had an oil =
pump out of a Spitfire engine.&nbsp; Probably 30 years so mostly going by m=
emory which isn't too good.&nbsp; Anyway, you mentioned below that "nothing=
 was moved or loosened at the distributor".&nbsp; Actually you spun the cam=
shaft and the distributor when you spun the crankshaft.&nbsp; I think the o=
il pump shaft slot (at the bottom of the distributor) is slightly off cente=
r so you may have to spin the oil pump shaft 180 degrees to get them to lin=
e up.&nbsp; That's about all I can think of right now.<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpbb36b29cyiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpbb36b29cyiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">Hope that helps=
.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpbb36b29cyiv9556517446Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">=
<u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpbb36b29cyiv9556517=
446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-ser=
if;">Gary&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpbb36b29cy=
iv9556517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,=
 sans-serif;"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3D"ydpbb36b29cyiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;f=
ont-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42);">On Tuesday, July 4, =
2023 at 12:48:12 PM EDT, Tim Prell via Wpta &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wpta@auto=
x.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote: <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpbb36b29cyiv955651=
7446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-se=
rif;color:rgb(38,40,42);"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"ydpbb36b29cyiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-=
family:Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42);"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></sp=
an></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"ydpbb36b29cyiv9556517446M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:serif;color:rgb(5,5,5);=
">I started the process of replacing thrust washers in my 77 Spitfire this =
spring and after encouragement from a Triumph Spitfire restoration and supp=
ort forum, also tried replacing main bearings and rod bearings in place.(fo=
r better or worse). In order to access the mid-crank rod bearing bolts, I r=
emoved the oil pump (cover plate, inner rotor, outer rotor shaft assembly).=
 Now that all the work is complete and the engine spins as expected, the oi=
l pump inner rotor and shaft will not slide fully back into place - it fits=
 into its slot but stops at ~ 1 - 1.5" from fully inserted. <u></u><u></u><=
/span></p></div></div><div style=3D"margin-top:6pt;"><div><p class=3D"ydpbb=
36b29cyiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:ser=
if;color:rgb(5,5,5);">I can see the slot at the end of the distributor asse=
mbly and a second opening in a plate for the inner rotor and shaft to slip =
through which must be blocking the shaft. The inner rotor shaft assembly sp=
ins easily. Any ideas on what can be displaced that won't allow the shaft t=
o completely slide into place would be helpful. Nothing was moved or loosen=
ed at the distributor - I only worked on the lower end to replace thrust wa=
shers and main plus rod bearings. Some pics attached.<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpbb36b29cyiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:14pt;font-family:serif;color:rgb(5,5,5);"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></=
span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpbb36b29cyiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:serif;color:rgb(5,5,5);">thanks for feedb=
ack (at least serious feedback :-).<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"ydpbb36b29cyiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;fo=
nt-family:serif;color:rgb(5,5,5);"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"ydpbb36b29cyiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
4pt;font-family:serif;color:rgb(5,5,5);">Tim<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>=
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556517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, sa=
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2023 20:35:40 +0000 (UTC)

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 Went back to the original email and saw that you did send pictures.=C2=A0 =
It looks like the top half of the oil pump housing is still in the engine b=
lock.=C2=A0 So the problem is probably something inside the oil pump that i=
sn't letting you slide it all the way in.
Look on page 12-55 and 12-56 in the repair manual which will explain how to=
 put the pump back together.
Gary

JVV

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Hope that helps.

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Gary=C2=A0

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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydpb9205ae1yahoo-style-wrap" style=
=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px=
;"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Went back to the original em=
ail and saw that you did send pictures.&nbsp; It looks like the top half of=
 the oil pump housing is still in the engine block.&nbsp; So the problem is=
 probably something inside the oil pump that isn't letting you slide it all=
 the way in.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Look on page 12-55 and 12-56 in the repair m=
anual which will explain how to put the pump back together.</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse">Gary</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div><br></div>
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ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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                <div>
                    On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 01:26:53 PM EDT, Tim Prell =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446"><div>Appreciate t=
he feedback but the problem truly is about this lower unit housing shifting=
 somehow and not allowing the oil pump rotor shaft to slide up and into a c=
orresponding fixed collar where the gear below the distributor sits. I have=
 tried to include better pics to illustrate. I have pulled the distributor =
to merely confirm this problem. The rotor shaft should slide up until almos=
t flush with the top of this housing to meet the bottom blade of the dizzy =
gear assembly.</div><div><br></div><div>Anyone know how this lower assembly=
 is attached?</div><div><br></div><div>Tim</div><br>On Wednesday, July 5, 2=
023, Bruce Stutzman &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofoll=
ow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" class=
=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">Tim<div>If you ha=
ven't already done so, draw a line with a marker down the&nbsp;dizzy amd mo=
unt so you can put it together as you got it.</div><div><br></div></div><br=
><div class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 8:59=E2=80=
=AFPM jerryvvtr4a--- via Wpta &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" re=
l=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(2=
04,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446gmail_quote=
"><div><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446MsoNorm=
al">I=E2=80=99d pull the distributor and see if the pump will then fit. And=
 then place the distributor back into the engine.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446MsoNormal">JVV<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"ydp=
5c1224c7yiv9556517446MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><div><div style=3D"=
border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid =
rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446=
MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Wpta &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary Fredo via Wpta<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 4, 2=
023 3:27 PM<br><b>To:</b> WPTA &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" r=
el=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Tim Prell &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">t=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WPTA] 1500 Spitfire oil pu=
mp install<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv955651744=
6MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv955=
6517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans=
-serif;">From looking at the repair manual and parts manual it looks like i=
t should slide right in.&nbsp; It's been a long time since I've had an oil =
pump out of a Spitfire engine.&nbsp; Probably 30 years so mostly going by m=
emory which isn't too good.&nbsp; Anyway, you mentioned below that "nothing=
 was moved or loosened at the distributor".&nbsp; Actually you spun the cam=
shaft and the distributor when you spun the crankshaft.&nbsp; I think the o=
il pump shaft slot (at the bottom of the distributor) is slightly off cente=
r so you may have to spin the oil pump shaft 180 degrees to get them to lin=
e up.&nbsp; That's about all I can think of right now.<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">Hope that helps=
.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">=
<u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517=
446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-ser=
if;">Gary&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7y=
iv9556517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,=
 sans-serif;"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;f=
ont-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42);">On Tuesday, July 4, =
2023 at 12:48:12 PM EDT, Tim Prell via Wpta &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wpta@auto=
x.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote: <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv955651=
7446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-se=
rif;color:rgb(38,40,42);"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-=
family:Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42);"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></sp=
an></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:serif;color:rgb(5,5,5);=
">I started the process of replacing thrust washers in my 77 Spitfire this =
spring and after encouragement from a Triumph Spitfire restoration and supp=
ort forum, also tried replacing main bearings and rod bearings in place.(fo=
r better or worse). In order to access the mid-crank rod bearing bolts, I r=
emoved the oil pump (cover plate, inner rotor, outer rotor shaft assembly).=
 Now that all the work is complete and the engine spins as expected, the oi=
l pump inner rotor and shaft will not slide fully back into place - it fits=
 into its slot but stops at ~ 1 - 1.5" from fully inserted. <u></u><u></u><=
/span></p></div></div><div style=3D"margin-top:6pt;"><div><p class=3D"ydp5c=
1224c7yiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:ser=
if;color:rgb(5,5,5);">I can see the slot at the end of the distributor asse=
mbly and a second opening in a plate for the inner rotor and shaft to slip =
through which must be blocking the shaft. The inner rotor shaft assembly sp=
ins easily. Any ideas on what can be displaced that won't allow the shaft t=
o completely slide into place would be helpful. Nothing was moved or loosen=
ed at the distributor - I only worked on the lower end to replace thrust wa=
shers and main plus rod bearings. Some pics attached.<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:14pt;font-family:serif;color:rgb(5,5,5);"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></=
span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:serif;color:rgb(5,5,5);">thanks for feedb=
ack (at least serious feedback :-).<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;fo=
nt-family:serif;color:rgb(5,5,5);"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9556517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
4pt;font-family:serif;color:rgb(5,5,5);">Tim<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>=
</div></div></div><p style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;" class=3D"ydp5c1224c7yiv9=
556517446MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, sa=
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 Put the distributor back in before you try to install the oil pump so you =
don't accidentally push the gear out of place.
Gary
=C2=A0
    On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 03:58:40 PM EDT, Tim Prell via Wpta <wpta@a=
utox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
 lol - finally fund a youtube video and saw that the oil pump housing shoul=
d have come off when assembly screws were removed. Something else is holdin=
g it in place but a well placed bump with a rubber mallet aligned things ni=
cely. Glad I don't charge myself by the hour! ha ha
current problem seems to be solved and on to the next. Gotta get the Spitfi=
re up and running before PVGP!
Tim
On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 12:13=E2=80=AFPM Tim Prell <[email-masked]> wrote=
:

I started the process of replacing thrust washers in my 77 Spitfire this sp=
ring and after encouragement from a Triumph Spitfire restoration and suppor=
t forum, also tried replacing main bearings and rod bearings in place.(for =
better or worse). In order to access the mid-crank rod bearing bolts, I rem=
oved the oil pump (cover plate, inner rotor, outer rotor shaft assembly). N=
ow that all the work is complete and the engine spins as expected, the oil =
pump inner rotor and shaft will not slide fully back into place - it fits i=
nto its slot but stops at ~ 1 - 1.5" from fully inserted. I can see the slo=
t at the end of the distributor assembly and a second opening in a plate fo=
r the inner rotor and shaft to slip through which must be blocking the shaf=
t. The inner rotor shaft assembly spins easily. Any ideas on what can be di=
splaced that won't allow the shaft to completely slide into place would be =
helpful. Nothing was moved or loosened at the distributor - I only worked o=
n the lower end to replace thrust washers and main plus rod bearings. Some =
pics attached.
thanks for feedback (at least serious feedback :-).
Tim
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;"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Put the distributor back in =
before you try to install the oil pump so you don't accidentally push the g=
ear out of place.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Gary</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">&nbsp;</div><di=
v><br></div>
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738bd1yahoo_quoted">
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ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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                <div>
                    On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 03:58:40 PM EDT, Tim Prell =
via Wpta &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydpe0738bd1yiv6805404775"><div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">lol - finally fund a youtube video and saw that the oil pump housing s=
hould have come off when assembly screws were removed. Something else is ho=
lding it in place but a well placed bump with a rubber mallet aligned thing=
s nicely. Glad I don't charge myself by the hour! ha ha<div><br clear=3D"no=
ne"></div><div>current problem seems to be solved and on to the next. Gotta=
 get the Spitfire up and running before PVGP!</div><div><br clear=3D"none">=
</div><div>Tim</div></div><br clear=3D"none"><div id=3D"ydpe0738bd1yiv68054=
04775yqt53126" class=3D"ydpe0738bd1yiv6805404775yqt8851761332"><div class=
=3D"ydpe0738bd1yiv6805404775gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"ydpe0738=
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ll &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow"=
 target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div=
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 sans-serif;color:rgb(5,5,5);font-size:18.75px;"><div style=3D"font-family:=
inherit;">I started the process of replacing thrust washers in my 77 Spitfi=
re this spring and after encouragement from a Triumph Spitfire restoration =
and support forum, also tried replacing main bearings and rod bearings in p=
lace.(for better or worse). In order to access the mid-crank rod bearing bo=
lts, I removed the oil pump (cover plate, inner rotor, outer rotor shaft as=
sembly). Now that all the work is complete and the engine spins as expected=
, the oil pump inner rotor and shaft will not slide fully back into place -=
 it fits into its slot but stops at ~ 1 - 1.5" from fully inserted. </div><=
/div><div style=3D"margin:0.5em 0px 0px;font-family:UI Helvetica, Arial, sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(5,5,5);font-size:18.75px;"><div style=3D"font-family:inh=
erit;">I can see the slot at the end of the distributor assembly and a seco=
nd opening in a plate for the inner rotor and shaft to slip through which m=
ust be blocking the shaft. The inner rotor shaft assembly spins easily. Any=
 ideas on what can be displaced that won't allow the shaft to completely sl=
ide into place would be helpful. Nothing was moved or loosened at the distr=
ibutor - I only worked on the lower end to replace thrust washers and main =
plus rod bearings. Some pics attached.</div><div style=3D"font-family:inher=
it;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div style=3D"font-family:inherit;">thanks fo=
r feedback (at least serious feedback :-).</div><div style=3D"font-family:i=
nherit;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div style=3D"font-family:inherit;">Tim</=
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From: Tim Prell via Wpta <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2023 13:26:47 -0400

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Appreciate the feedback but the problem truly is about this lower unit
housing shifting somehow and not allowing the oil pump rotor shaft to slide
up and into a corresponding fixed collar where the gear below the
distributor sits. I have tried to include better pics to illustrate. I have
pulled the distributor to merely confirm this problem. The rotor shaft
should slide up until almost flush with the top of this housing to meet the
bottom blade of the dizzy gear assembly.

Tim

On Wednesday, July 5, 2023, Bruce Stutzman <[email-masked]> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 8:59=E2=80=AFPM jerryvvtr4a--- via Wpta <
then
>> place the distributor back into the engine.
>>
>> JVV
>>
>>
>>
>> From looking at the repair manual and parts manual it looks like it
>> should slide right in.  It's been a long time since I've had an oil pump
>> out of a Spitfire engine.  Probably 30 years so mostly going by memory
>> which isn't too good.  Anyway, you mentioned below that "nothing was mov=
ed
>> or loosened at the distributor".  Actually you spun the camshaft and the
>> distributor when you spun the crankshaft.  I think the oil pump shaft sl=
ot
>> (at the bottom of the distributor) is slightly off center so you may hav=
e
>> to spin the oil pump shaft 180 degrees to get them to line up.  That's
>> about all I can think of right now.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
>> place.(for better or worse). In order to access the mid-crank rod bearin=
g
>> bolts, I removed the oil pump (cover plate, inner rotor, outer rotor sha=
ft
>> expected, the oil pump inner rotor and shaft will not slide fully back i=
nto
>> place - it fits into its slot but stops at ~ 1 - 1.5" from fully inserte=
d.
>> opening in a plate for the inner rotor and shaft to slip through which m=
ust
>> distributor - I only worked on the lower end to replace thrust washers a=
nd
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<div>Appreciate the feedback but the problem truly is about this lower unit=
 housing shifting somehow and not allowing the oil pump rotor shaft to slid=
e up and into a corresponding fixed collar where the gear below the distrib=
utor sits. I have tried to include better pics to illustrate. I have pulled=
 the distributor to merely confirm this problem. The rotor shaft should sli=
de up until almost flush with the top of this housing to meet the bottom bl=
ade of the dizzy gear assembly.</div><div><br></div><div>Anyone know how th=
is lower assembly is attached?</div><div><br></div><div>Tim</div><br>On Wed=
nesday, July 5, 2023, Bruce Stutzman &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
om">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">Tim<div>If you haven&#39;t already done so, draw a line with =
a marker down the=C2=A0dizzy amd mount so you can put it together as you go=
t it.</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 8:59=E2=80=AFPM jerryvvtr4=
a--- via Wpta &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)=
;padding-left:1ex"><div><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=
=E2=80=99d pull the distributor and see if the pump will then fit. And then=
 place the distributor back into the engine.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal">JVV<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/p><div><div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none=
;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><b>From:</b> Wpta &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b=
>Gary Fredo via Wpta<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 4, 2023 3:27 PM<br><b>To=
:</b> WPTA &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">wpt=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Tim Prell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WPTA]=
 1500 Spitfire oil pump install<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">From looking at the =
repair manual and parts manual it looks like it should slide right in.=C2=
=A0 It&#39;s been a long time since I&#39;ve had an oil pump out of a Spitf=
ire engine.=C2=A0 Probably 30 years so mostly going by memory which isn&#39=
;t too good.=C2=A0 Anyway, you mentioned below that &quot;nothing was moved=
 or loosened at the distributor&quot;.=C2=A0 Actually you spun the camshaft=
 and the distributor when you spun the crankshaft.=C2=A0 I think the oil pu=
mp shaft slot (at the bottom of the distributor) is slightly off center so =
you may have to spin the oil pump shaft 180 degrees to get them to line up.=
=C2=A0 That&#39;s about all I can think of right now.<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-fam=
ily:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-se=
rif">Hope that helps.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u=
>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Gary=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;fon=
t-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div></div><=
div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 1=
2:48:12 PM EDT, Tim Prell via Wpta &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: <u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-=
family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-f=
amily:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span>=
</p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:14pt;font-family:&quot;inherit&quot;,serif;color:rgb(5,5,5)">I star=
ted the process of replacing thrust washers in my 77 Spitfire this spring a=
nd after encouragement from a Triumph Spitfire restoration and support foru=
m, also tried replacing main bearings and rod bearings in place.(for better=
 or worse). In order to access the mid-crank rod bearing bolts, I removed t=
he oil pump (cover plate, inner rotor, outer rotor shaft assembly). Now tha=
t all the work is complete and the engine spins as expected, the oil pump i=
nner rotor and shaft will not slide fully back into place - it fits into it=
s slot but stops at ~ 1 - 1.5&quot; from fully inserted. <u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p></div></div><div style=3D"margin-top:6pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:&quot;inherit&quot;,serif;color=
:rgb(5,5,5)">I can see the slot at the end of the distributor assembly and =
a second opening in a plate for the inner rotor and shaft to slip through w=
hich must be blocking the shaft. The inner rotor shaft assembly spins easil=
y. Any ideas on what can be displaced that won&#39;t allow the shaft to com=
pletely slide into place would be helpful. Nothing was moved or loosened at=
 the distributor - I only worked on the lower end to replace thrust washers=
 and main plus rod bearings. Some pics attached.<u></u><u></u></span></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:&=
quot;inherit&quot;,serif;color:rgb(5,5,5)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:=
&quot;inherit&quot;,serif;color:rgb(5,5,5)">thanks for feedback (at least s=
erious feedback :-).<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:&quot;inherit&quot;,serif;col=
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