Subject: Re: [WPTA] Dzus meeting

From: rroenigk--- via Wpta <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 13:27:31 +0000 (UTC)

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Bill. I agree on PENNDOT staff not knowing or adding their two cents
They scary part is our insurance companies use a =E2=80=9C loophole =E2=80=
=9C to avoid coverage=C2=A0
I=E2=80=99m going to try to get clarification from PENNDOT
Thx
Rich R

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Believe what you want, Rich.
Penndot is so random that you are likely to get any answer on any given day=
 depending on who you talk to.
Back when photos were required, I had applications bounced because of:
-a person sitting in the car-front window was down-license plate visible an=
d "was not original to the car"
I actually resubmitted the photos with the person in the car to see what wo=
uld happen, and a week later I got my plate. Go figure.
If you can find in writing within the vehicle code that antique plates are =
not valid after dark, please let us know what section.
I did up a 1941 Ford in the mid 1980's. I had a good friend who was a State=
 Trooper at the time who ran it up his chain of command.=C2=A0 "If you want=
 to drive legally after dark, make sure you have two taillights, turn signa=
ls, and sealed beam headlights". That was good enough for me.
Or just go with Classic and keep going in for inspections each year.
Thanks,
Bill

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Subject: Re: [WPTA] Dzus meeting

Bill. =C2=A0I had a friend went to PENNDOT last week
The lady on desk told her that was difference between plates
And insurance company may not insure you=C2=A0
You would think they know=C2=A0

Would like to get in writing from PENNDOT
Thx
Rich R

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Even before any recent changes, there is no restriction to drive an antique=
 registered car in PA after dark as long as you lighting meets current stan=
dards. This has been true for at least the last 25 years if not longer. Man=
y people do not understand this and stick with Classic plates.
Bill Cooper

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Sent: Sun, Jan 27, 2019 9:10 pm
Subject: Re: [WPTA] Dzus meeting

I looked into the after dark driving in PA in the past, and this statement =
"used" to be there....
Antique=C2=A0vehicles operated exclusively between sunrise and=C2=A0sunset=
=C2=A0are exempt from the normal lighting=C2=A0requirements of the=C2=A0Pen=
nsylvania=C2=A0Vehicle Code, but must have their original lighting equipmen=
t.=C2=A0=C2=A0
It looks that that statement has now even been removed from the code, as I =
am unable to findit anyplace on PennDot documents...
Here is what I think is the current document that mentions nothing about dr=
iving after dark..
=C2=A0 USE OF ANTIQUE, CLASSIC AND VINTAGE REGISTRATION PLATESThe use of an=
tique, classic and vintage registration plates is governed by Section 1340 =
of the PennsylvaniaVehicle Code, which states: =E2=80=9CIt is unlawful for =
any person to operate a motorcycle or vehicle with antique,classic or vinta=
ge registration plates for general daily transportation. Permitted use shal=
l be limited toparticipation in club activities, exhibits, tours, parades, =
occasional transportation and similar uses.=E2=80=9D Occasionaltransportati=
on and similar uses are defined as no more than one day a week.Although bus=
es and trucks are eligible for antique, classic and vintage registration pl=
ates, buses MAY NOT beused to transport passengers and trucks MAY NOT haul =
cargo. Antique, classic and vintage registration platesare not available fo=
r motorized pedalcycles or motor homes.=C2=A0
http://www.dot.state.pa.us/public/dvspubsforms/BMV/BMV%20Fact%20Sheets/fs-a=
nt.pdf

My Thoughts...Happy Sunday :-)
Joe

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Subject for discussion=C2=A0
Antique Tags
If PA law says can=E2=80=99t drive after dark, does your insurance company =
still cover you if you do ?
Mine is American Modern and they say they go by each States restrictions / =
guidelines=C2=A0
I would not be covered when driving in dark hours in PA
Appreciate any feedback=C2=A0
Thx
Rich R

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Bill. I agree on PENNDOT staff not knowing or adding their two cents<div><b=
r></div><div>They scary part is our insurance companies use a =E2=80=9C loo=
phole =E2=80=9C to avoid coverage&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I=E2=80=99=
m going to try to get clarification from PENNDOT</div><div><br></div><div>T=
hx</div><div><br></div><div>Rich R<br><br><div id=3D"__aol_mail_signature__=
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<blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 9px;padding:0 0 0 9px;"><div id=3D"yiv258=
0637485"><div><font color=3D"black" size=3D"2" face=3D"arial">Believe what =
you want, Rich.
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<div>Penndot is so random that you are likely to get any answer on any give=
n day depending on who you talk to.</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>

<div>Back when photos were required, I had applications bounced because of:=
</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>

<div>-a person sitting in the car</div>

<div>-front window was down</div>

<div>-license plate visible and "was not original to the car"</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>

<div>I actually resubmitted the photos with the person in the car to see wh=
at would happen, and a week later I got my plate. Go figure.</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>

<div>If you can find in writing within the vehicle code that antique plates=
 are not valid after dark, please let us know what section.</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>

<div>I did up a 1941 Ford in the mid 1980's. I had a good friend who was a =
State Trooper at the time who ran it up his chain of command.&nbsp; "If you=
 want to drive legally after dark, make sure you have two taillights, turn =
signals, and sealed beam headlights". That was good enough for me.</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>

<div>Or just go with Classic and keep going in for inspections each year.</=
div>

<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>

<div>Thanks,</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>

<div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;">Bill</span><br clear=3D"none">
</div>

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<div>Bill. &nbsp;I had a friend went to PENNDOT last week
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>The lady on desk told her that was difference between plates</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>And insurance company may not insure you&nbsp;</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>You would think they know&nbsp;</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>Would like to get in writing from PENNDOT</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>Thx</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>Rich R<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
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<div><font color=3D"black" size=3D"2" face=3D"arial">Even before any recent=
 changes, there is no restriction to drive an antique registered car in PA =
after dark as long as you lighting meets current standards. This has been t=
rue for at least the last 25 years if not longer. Many people do not unders=
tand this and stick with Classic plates.
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<div>I looked into the after dark driving in PA in the past, and this state=
ment "used" to be there....</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div><b><span style=3D"color:rgb(106,106,106);font-family:Roboto, arial, sa=
ns-serif;">Antique</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(84,84,84);font-family:Rob=
oto, arial, sans-serif;">&nbsp;vehicles operated exclusively between sunris=
e and&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(106,106,106);font-family:Roboto,=
 arial, sans-serif;">sunset</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(84,84,84);font-f=
amily:Roboto, arial, sans-serif;">&nbsp;are exempt from the normal lighting=
&nbsp;</span></b></div>

<div><b><span style=3D"color:rgb(84,84,84);font-family:Roboto, arial, sans-=
serif;">requirements of the&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(106,106,10=
6);font-family:Roboto, arial, sans-serif;">Pennsylvania</span><span style=
=3D"color:rgb(84,84,84);font-family:Roboto, arial, sans-serif;">&nbsp;Vehic=
le Code, but must have their original lighting equipment.</span>&nbsp;&nbsp=
;</b></div>

<div><b><br clear=3D"none"></b></div>

<div>It looks that that statement has now even been removed from the code, =
as I am unable to find</div>

<div>it anyplace on PennDot documents...</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>Here is what I think is the current document that mentions nothing abo=
ut driving after dark..</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>&nbsp; <b>USE OF ANTIQUE, CLASSIC AND VINTAGE REGISTRATION PLATES
The use of antique, classic and vintage registration plates is governed by =
Section 1340 of the Pennsylvania
Vehicle Code, which states: =E2=80=9CIt is unlawful for any person to opera=
te a motorcycle or vehicle with antique,
classic or vintage registration plates for general daily transportation. Pe=
rmitted use shall be limited to
participation in club activities, exhibits, tours, parades, occasional tran=
sportation and similar uses.=E2=80=9D Occasional
transportation and similar uses are defined as no more than one day a week.
Although buses and trucks are eligible for antique, classic and vintage reg=
istration plates, buses MAY NOT be
used to transport passengers and trucks MAY NOT haul cargo. Antique, classi=
c and vintage registration plates
are not available for motorized pedalcycles or motor homes.</b>&nbsp;</div>

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ttp://www.dot.state.pa.us/public/dvspubsforms/BMV/BMV%20Fact%20Sheets/fs-an=
t.pdf</a><br clear=3D"none"></div>

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<div>My Thoughts...</div>

<div>Happy Sunday :-)</div>

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<div>Joe</div>

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<div>Antique Tags</div>

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<div>If PA law says can=E2=80=99t drive after dark, does your insurance com=
pany still cover you if you do ?</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>Mine is American Modern and they say they go by each States restrictio=
ns / guidelines&nbsp;</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>I would not be covered when driving in dark hours in PA</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>Appreciate any feedback&nbsp;</div>

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<div>Thx</div>

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Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 15:23:29 +0000

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OK Kiddies -

Being in the Risk Management Business, there is NO stipulation that limits =
driving during night hours on any of the following plates:

    1) Antique

    2) Historic

    3) Classic

The "official recommendation" is that you do not drive after dark on due to=
 the lack of "lighting technology".

However, it is NOT illegal to drive after dark.

Larry Ross

Lawrence Ross Agency
67 Old Clairton Rd.
Pittsburgh, PA. 15236
(412) 655-9990 - office
(412) 780-8495 - cell
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From: Wpta [[email-masked]] on behalf of rroenigk--- via Wpta =
[[email-masked]]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 8:27 AM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: [External] Re: [WPTA] Dzus meeting

They scary part is our insurance companies use a =93 loophole =93 to avoid =
coverage

I=92m going to try to get clarification from PENNDOT

Thx

Rich R

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On Monday, January 28, 2019, [email-masked] <[email-masked]> wrote:

-a person sitting in the car
-front window was down
-license plate visible and "was not original to the car"

I did up a 1941 Ford in the mid 1980's. I had a good friend who was a State=
 Trooper at the time who ran it up his chain of command.  "If you want to d=
rive legally after dark, make sure you have two taillights, turn signals, a=
nd sealed beam headlights". That was good enough for me.

Thanks,

Bill

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Cc: jstout310 <[email-masked]>; wpta <[email-masked]>
Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2019 7:45 am
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Bill.  I had a friend went to PENNDOT last week

And insurance company may not insure you

You would think they know

Thx

Rich R

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On Sunday, January 27, 2019, [email-masked] <[email-masked]> wrote:

Bill Cooper

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From: Joe Stout via Wpta <[email-masked]>
To: rroenigk <[email-masked]>
Cc: wpta <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sun, Jan 27, 2019 9:10 pm
Subject: Re: [WPTA] Dzus meeting

Antique vehicles operated exclusively between sunrise and sunset are exempt=
 from the normal lighting
requirements of the Pennsylvania Vehicle Code, but must have their original=
 lighting equipment.

It looks that that statement has now even been removed from the code, as I =
am unable to find
it anyplace on PennDot documents...

  USE OF ANTIQUE, CLASSIC AND VINTAGE REGISTRATION PLATES The use of antiqu=
e, classic and vintage registration plates is governed by Section 1340 of t=
he Pennsylvania Vehicle Code, which states: =93It is unlawful for any perso=
n to operate a motorcycle or vehicle with antique, classic or vintage regis=
tration plates for general daily transportation. Permitted use shall be lim=
ited to participation in club activities, exhibits, tours, parades, occasio=
nal transportation and similar uses.=94 Occasional transportation and simil=
ar uses are defined as no more than one day a week. Although buses and truc=
ks are eligible for antique, classic and vintage registration plates, buses=
 MAY NOT be used to transport passengers and trucks MAY NOT haul cargo. Ant=
ique, classic and vintage registration plates are not available for motoriz=
ed pedalcycles or motor homes.

http://www.dot.state.pa.us/public/dvspubsforms/BMV/BMV%20Fact%20Sheets/fs-a=
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My Thoughts...
Happy Sunday :-)

Joe

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Subject for discussion

Antique Tags

If PA law says can=92t drive after dark, does your insurance company still =
cover you if you do ?

guidelines

Appreciate any feedback

Thx

Rich R

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<p>OK Kiddies -</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Being in the Risk Management Business, there is NO stipulation that limi=
ts driving during night hours on any of the following plates:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1) Antique</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2) Historic</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3) Classic</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>The &quot;official recommendation&quot; is that you do not drive after d=
ark on due to the lack of &quot;lighting technology&quot;.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>However, it is&nbsp;NOT illegal to drive after dark.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Larry Ross</p>
<div>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri"><strong>Lawrence Ross Agency</strong></font></d=
iv>
<div><font face=3D"calibri"><strong>67 Old Clairton Rd.</strong></font></di=
v>
<div><font face=3D"calibri"><strong>Pittsburgh, PA. 15236</strong></font></=
div>
<div><font face=3D"calibri"><strong>(412) 655-9990 - office</strong></font>=
</div>
<div><font face=3D"calibri"><strong>(412) 780-8495 - cell</strong></font></=
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ize=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Wpta [[email-masked]] o=
n behalf of rroenigk--- via Wpta [[email-masked]]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 28, 2019 8:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br>
<b>Cc:</b> [email-masked]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [External] Re: [WPTA] Dzus meeting<br>
</font><br>
</div>
<div></div>
<div>Bill. I agree on PENNDOT staff not knowing or adding their two cents
<div><br>
</div>
<div>They scary part is our insurance companies use a =93 loophole =93 to a=
void coverage&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I=92m going to try to get clarification from PENNDOT</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thx</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Rich R<br>
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<div><font color=3D"black" size=3D"2" face=3D"arial">Believe what you want,=
 Rich. </font>
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</div>
<div>Penndot is so random that you are likely to get any answer on any give=
n day depending on who you talk to.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Back when photos were required, I had applications bounced because of:=
</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>-a person sitting in the car</div>
<div>-front window was down</div>
<div>-license plate visible and &quot;was not original to the car&quot;</di=
v>
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<div>I actually resubmitted the photos with the person in the car to see wh=
at would happen, and a week later I got my plate. Go figure.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>If you can find in writing within the vehicle code that antique plates=
 are not valid after dark, please let us know what section.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>I did up a 1941 Ford in the mid 1980's. I had a good friend who was a =
State Trooper at the time who ran it up his chain of command.&nbsp; &quot;I=
f you want to drive legally after dark, make sure you have two taillights, =
turn signals, and sealed beam headlights&quot;.
 That was good enough for me.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Or just go with Classic and keep going in for inspections each year.</=
div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
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</div>
<div><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Bill</span><br clear=3D"none">
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<div>Bill. &nbsp;I had a friend went to PENNDOT last week
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>The lady on desk told her that was difference between plates</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>And insurance company may not insure you&nbsp;</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>You would think they know&nbsp;</div>
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<div>Would like to get in writing from PENNDOT</div>
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<div><font color=3D"black" size=3D"2" face=3D"arial">Even before any recent=
 changes, there is no restriction to drive an antique registered car in PA =
after dark as long as you lighting meets current standards. This has been t=
rue for at least the last 25 years if
 not longer. Many people do not understand this and stick with Classic plat=
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From: Joe Stout via Wpta &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
To: rroenigk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
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<div>I looked into the after dark driving in PA in the past, and this state=
ment &quot;used&quot; to be there....</div>
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<div><b><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Roboto,arial,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(106=
,106,106)">Antique</span><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Roboto,arial,sans-seri=
f; COLOR: rgb(84,84,84)">&nbsp;vehicles operated exclusively between sunris=
e and&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Roboto,arial,sans-serif; COLO=
R: rgb(106,106,106)">sunset</span><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Roboto,arial,=
sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(84,84,84)">&nbsp;are
 exempt from the normal lighting&nbsp;</span></b></div>
<div><b><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Roboto,arial,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(84,=
84,84)">requirements of the&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Roboto,=
arial,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(106,106,106)">Pennsylvania</span><span style=
=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Roboto,arial,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(84,84,84)">&nbsp;Vehic=
le
 Code, but must have their original lighting equipment.</span>&nbsp;&nbsp;<=
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<div>It looks that that statement has now even been removed from the code, =
as I am unable to find</div>
<div>it anyplace on PennDot documents...</div>
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<div>Here is what I think is the current document that mentions nothing abo=
ut driving after dark..</div>
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<div>&nbsp; <b>USE OF ANTIQUE, CLASSIC AND VINTAGE REGISTRATION PLATES The =
use of antique, classic and vintage registration plates is governed by Sect=
ion 1340 of the Pennsylvania Vehicle Code, which states: =93It is unlawful =
for any person to operate a motorcycle
 or vehicle with antique, classic or vintage registration plates for genera=
l daily transportation. Permitted use shall be limited to participation in =
club activities, exhibits, tours, parades, occasional transportation and si=
milar uses.=94 Occasional transportation
 and similar uses are defined as no more than one day a week. Although buse=
s and trucks are eligible for antique, classic and vintage registration pla=
tes, buses MAY NOT be used to transport passengers and trucks MAY NOT haul =
cargo. Antique, classic and vintage
 registration plates are not available for motorized pedalcycles or motor h=
omes.</b>&nbsp;</div>
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<div>Happy Sunday :-)</div>
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<div>If PA law says can=92t drive after dark, does your insurance company s=
till cover you if you do ?</div>
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<div>Mine is American Modern and they say they go by each States restrictio=
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<div>I would not be covered when driving in dark hours in PA</div>
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Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 18:21:59 +0000 (UTC)

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Hello,
Since we are talking about Antique plates, I have a question. I'm planning =
to apply for Antique plates and noted the MV-11 form mentions 4 prequired p=
hotos - one from each side and front and back. Obviously.=C2=A0It also stat=
es if the car is convertible, the top must be up. Ugh. I have a top which h=
as been removed and requires some fittings and is likely to be a bit of a s=
truggle. I don't really plan to use it. Really needs replaced but I'd rathe=
r spend money on other more pressing needs. Also the previous owner replace=
d the exhaust with a 2-pipe, 4-tipped Monza. Has anyone had trouble with ap=
proval because of photos other than Bill, or a modified exhaust?=C2=A0
Thanks in advance,Kevin=C2=A0

=20

    On Monday, January 28, 2019, 12:20:51 PM EST, Ross, Lawrence via Wpta <=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
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=20
OK Kiddies -

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01) Antique

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A02) Historic

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A03) Classic

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

However, it is=C2=A0NOT illegal to drive after dark.

=C2=A0

Larry Ross

=C2=A0
Lawrence Ross Agency67 Old Clairton Rd.Pittsburgh, PA. 15236(412) 655-9990 =
- office(412) 780-8495 - cellFrom: Wpta [[email-masked]] on be=
half of rroenigk--- via Wpta [[email-masked]]
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Believe what you want, Rich.=20

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To: xj61975 <[email-masked]>
Cc: jstout310 <[email-masked]>; wpta <[email-masked]>
Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2019 7:45 am
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On=C2=A0Sunday, January 27, 2019,=C2=[email-masked]=C2=A0<[email-masked]=
m>=C2=A0wrote:

Even before any recent changes, there is no restriction to drive an antique=
 registered car in PA after dark as long as you lighting meets current stan=
dards. This has been true for at least the last 25 years if not longer. Man=
y people do not understand this and stick with Classic plates.=20
Bill Cooper

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From: Joe Stout via Wpta <[email-masked]>
To: rroenigk <[email-masked]>
Cc: wpta <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sun, Jan 27, 2019 9:10 pm
Subject: Re: [WPTA] Dzus meeting

I looked into the after dark driving in PA in the past, and this statement =
"used" to be there....
Antique=C2=A0vehicles operated exclusively between sunrise and=C2=A0sunset=
=C2=A0are exempt from the normal lighting=C2=A0requirements of the=C2=A0Pen=
nsylvania=C2=A0Vehicle Code, but must have their original lighting equipmen=
t.=C2=A0=C2=A0
It looks that that statement has now even been removed from the code, as I =
am unable to findit anyplace on PennDot documents...
Here is what I think is the current document that mentions nothing about dr=
iving after dark..
=C2=A0 USE OF ANTIQUE, CLASSIC AND VINTAGE REGISTRATION PLATES The use of a=
ntique, classic and vintage registration plates is governed by Section 1340=
 of the Pennsylvania Vehicle Code, which states: =E2=80=9CIt is unlawful fo=
r any person to operate a motorcycle or vehicle with antique, classic or vi=
ntage registration plates for general daily transportation. Permitted use s=
hall be limited to participation in club activities, exhibits, tours, parad=
es, occasional transportation and similar uses.=E2=80=9D Occasional transpo=
rtation and similar uses are defined as no more than one day a week. Althou=
gh buses and trucks are eligible for antique, classic and vintage registrat=
ion plates, buses MAY NOT be used to transport passengers and trucks MAY NO=
T haul cargo. Antique, classic and vintage registration plates are not avai=
lable for motorized pedalcycles or motor homes.=C2=A0
http://www.dot.state.pa.us/public/dvspubsforms/BMV/BMV%20Fact%20Sheets/fs-a=
nt.pdf

=C2=A0

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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydp25cc9cb4yahoo-style-wrap" style=
=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px=
;"><div><div>Hello,</div><div><br></div><div>Since we are talking about Ant=
ique plates, I have a question. I'm planning to apply for Antique plates an=
d noted the MV-11 form mentions 4 prequired photos - one from each side and=
 front and back. Obviously.&nbsp;</div><div>It also states if the car is co=
nvertible, the top must be up. Ugh. I have a top which has been removed and=
 requires some fittings and is likely to be a bit of a struggle. I don't re=
ally plan to use it. Really needs replaced but I'd rather spend money on ot=
her more pressing needs. Also the previous owner replaced the exhaust with =
a 2-pipe, 4-tipped Monza. Has anyone had trouble with approval because of p=
hotos other than Bill, or a modified exhaust?&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Thanks in advance,</div><div>Kevin&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"ydp25cc9cb4signature"><div style=3D"font-size:13px;"><div>=
<br></div><br></div></div></div>
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ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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                <div>
                    On Monday, January 28, 2019, 12:20:51 PM EST, Ross, Law=
rence via Wpta &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp757b7d68yiv8460901300"><div>
<div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Calibri;color:#000000;font-size:12p=
t;">
<p>OK Kiddies -</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Being in the Risk Management Business, there is NO stipulation that limi=
ts driving during night hours on any of the following plates:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1) Antique</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2) Historic</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3) Classic</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>The "official recommendation" is that you do not drive after dark on due=
 to the lack of "lighting technology".</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>However, it is&nbsp;NOT illegal to drive after dark.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Larry Ross</p>
<div>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri"><strong>Lawrence Ross Agency</strong></font></d=
iv>
<div><font face=3D"calibri"><strong>67 Old Clairton Rd.</strong></font></di=
v>
<div><font face=3D"calibri"><strong>Pittsburgh, PA. 15236</strong></font></=
div>
<div><font face=3D"calibri"><strong>(412) 655-9990 - office</strong></font>=
</div>
<div><font face=3D"calibri"><strong>(412) 780-8495 - cell</strong></font></=
div>
</div>
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60901300yqt08490"><div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:16px;FONT-FAMILY:Times New Roman;=
COLOR:#000000;">
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<div id=3D"ydp757b7d68yiv8460901300divRpF843217" style=3D"DIRECTION:ltr;"><=
font color=3D"#000000" size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Wpta [wpta-b=
[email-masked]] on behalf of rroenigk--- via Wpta [[email-masked]=
et]<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 28, 2019 8:27 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> [email-masked]<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> [External] Re: [WPTA] Dzus meeting<br clear=3D"none">
</font><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div></div>
<div>Bill. I agree on PENNDOT staff not knowing or adding their two cents
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>They scary part is our insurance companies use a =E2=80=9C loophole =
=E2=80=9C to avoid coverage&nbsp;</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>I=E2=80=99m going to try to get clarification from PENNDOT</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Thx</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Rich R<br clear=3D"none">
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January 28, 2019,&nbsp;[email-masked]&nbsp;&lt;[email-masked]&gt;&nbsp;wr=
ote:
</div>
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RGIN:0px 0px 0px 9px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;">
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<div><font color=3D"black" size=3D"2" face=3D"arial">Believe what you want,=
 Rich. </font>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Penndot is so random that you are likely to get any answer on any give=
n day depending on who you talk to.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Back when photos were required, I had applications bounced because of:=
</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>-a person sitting in the car</div>
<div>-front window was down</div>
<div>-license plate visible and "was not original to the car"</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>I actually resubmitted the photos with the person in the car to see wh=
at would happen, and a week later I got my plate. Go figure.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>If you can find in writing within the vehicle code that antique plates=
 are not valid after dark, please let us know what section.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>I did up a 1941 Ford in the mid 1980's. I had a good friend who was a =
State Trooper at the time who ran it up his chain of command.&nbsp; "If you=
 want to drive legally after dark, make sure you have two taillights, turn =
signals, and sealed beam headlights".
 That was good enough for me.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Or just go with Classic and keep going in for inspections each year.</=
div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;">Bill</span><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
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--Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: rroenigk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
To: xj61975 &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
Cc: jstout310 &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; wpta &lt;[email-masked]&gt;=
<br clear=3D"none">
Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2019 7:45 am<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: Re: [WPTA] Dzus meeting<br clear=3D"none">
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<div>Bill. &nbsp;I had a friend went to PENNDOT last week
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>The lady on desk told her that was difference between plates</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>And insurance company may not insure you&nbsp;</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>You would think they know&nbsp;</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Would like to get in writing from PENNDOT</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Thx</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Rich R<br clear=3D"none">
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January 27, 2019,&nbsp;[email-masked]&nbsp;&lt;[email-masked]&gt;&nbsp;wr=
ote:
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<blockquote style=3D"PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;PADDING-TOP:0px;PADDING-LEFT:9px;MA=
RGIN:0px 0px 0px 9px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;">
<div id=3D"ydp757b7d68yiv8460901300">
<div><font color=3D"black" size=3D"2" face=3D"arial">Even before any recent=
 changes, there is no restriction to drive an antique registered car in PA =
after dark as long as you lighting meets current standards. This has been t=
rue for at least the last 25 years if
 not longer. Many people do not understand this and stick with Classic plat=
es. </font>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Bill Cooper<br clear=3D"none">
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<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:arial, helvetica;COLOR:black;">---=
--Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: Joe Stout via Wpta &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
To: rroenigk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
Cc: wpta &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
Sent: Sun, Jan 27, 2019 9:10 pm<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: Re: [WPTA] Dzus meeting<br clear=3D"none">
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<div>I looked into the after dark driving in PA in the past, and this state=
ment "used" to be there....</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div><b><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:Roboto, arial, sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(106,=
106,106);">Antique</span><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:Roboto, arial, sans-ser=
if;COLOR:rgb(84,84,84);">&nbsp;vehicles operated exclusively between sunris=
e and&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:Roboto, arial, sans-serif;COLO=
R:rgb(106,106,106);">sunset</span><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:Roboto, arial,=
 sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(84,84,84);">&nbsp;are
 exempt from the normal lighting&nbsp;</span></b></div>
<div><b><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:Roboto, arial, sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(84,8=
4,84);">requirements of the&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:Roboto, =
arial, sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(106,106,106);">Pennsylvania</span><span style=
=3D"FONT-FAMILY:Roboto, arial, sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(84,84,84);">&nbsp;Vehic=
le
 Code, but must have their original lighting equipment.</span>&nbsp;&nbsp;<=
/b></div>
<div><b><br clear=3D"none">
</b></div>
<div>It looks that that statement has now even been removed from the code, =
as I am unable to find</div>
<div>it anyplace on PennDot documents...</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Here is what I think is the current document that mentions nothing abo=
ut driving after dark..</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>&nbsp; <b>USE OF ANTIQUE, CLASSIC AND VINTAGE REGISTRATION PLATES The =
use of antique, classic and vintage registration plates is governed by Sect=
ion 1340 of the Pennsylvania Vehicle Code, which states: =E2=80=9CIt is unl=
awful for any person to operate a motorcycle
 or vehicle with antique, classic or vintage registration plates for genera=
l daily transportation. Permitted use shall be limited to participation in =
club activities, exhibits, tours, parades, occasional transportation and si=
milar uses.=E2=80=9D Occasional transportation
 and similar uses are defined as no more than one day a week. Although buse=
s and trucks are eligible for antique, classic and vintage registration pla=
tes, buses MAY NOT be used to transport passengers and trucks MAY NOT haul =
cargo. Antique, classic and vintage
 registration plates are not available for motorized pedalcycles or motor h=
omes.</b>&nbsp;</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
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=3Dhttp-3A__www.dot.state.pa.us_public_dvspubsforms_BMV_BMV-2520Fact-2520Sh=
eets_fs-2Dant.pdf&amp;d=3DDwMFaQ&amp;c=3DgtIjdLs6LnStUpy9cTOW9w&amp;r=3DDDt=
SG8nRC8NiocJzcdi_vtq_cUk1B9QaQGTWcmcVhS4&amp;m=3DkuCsD5WbvySwtSbunHFHP1OQui=
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<div>My Thoughts...</div>
<div>Happy Sunday :-)</div>
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<div>Joe</div>
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<div>Mine is American Modern and they say they go by each States restrictio=
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Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 18:25:50 +0000

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Kevin -

Exhaust System - We both have the same exhaust system - not a problem.

Top - my top NEVER goes up.

Larry Ross

Lawrence Ross Agency
67 Old Clairton Rd.
Pittsburgh, PA. 15236
(412) 655-9990 - office
(412) 780-8495 - cell
________________________________
From: Kevin Dadey [[email-masked]]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 1:21 PM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]; Ross, Lawrence
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: [External] Re: [WPTA] Dzus meeting

Hello,

Since we are talking about Antique plates, I have a question. I'm planning =
to apply for Antique plates and noted the MV-11 form mentions 4 prequired p=
hotos - one from each side and front and back. Obviously.
It also states if the car is convertible, the top must be up. Ugh. I have a=
 top which has been removed and requires some fittings and is likely to be =
a bit of a struggle. I don't really plan to use it. Really needs replaced b=
ut I'd rather spend money on other more pressing needs. Also the previous o=
wner replaced the exhaust with a 2-pipe, 4-tipped Monza. Has anyone had tro=
uble with approval because of photos other than Bill, or a modified exhaust=
?

Thanks in advance,
Kevin

On Monday, January 28, 2019, 12:20:51 PM EST, Ross, Lawrence via Wpta <wpta=
@autox.team.net> wrote:

OK Kiddies -

    1) Antique

    2) Historic

    3) Classic

Larry Ross

Lawrence Ross Agency
67 Old Clairton Rd.
Pittsburgh, PA. 15236
(412) 655-9990 - office
(412) 780-8495 - cell

Thx

Rich R

Thanks,

Bill

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Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2019 7:45 am
Subject: Re: [WPTA] Dzus meeting

Thx

Rich R

Bill Cooper

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To: rroenigk <[email-masked]>
Cc: wpta <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sun, Jan 27, 2019 9:10 pm
Subject: Re: [WPTA] Dzus meeting

My Thoughts...
Happy Sunday :-)

Joe

Antique Tags

Appreciate any feedback

Thx

Rich R

Tomorow
Monday January 28
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<div>Hello,</div>
<div>Since we are talking about Antique plates, I have a question. I'm plan=
ning to apply for Antique plates and noted the MV-11 form mentions 4 prequi=
red photos - one from each side and front and back. Obviously.&nbsp;</div>
<div>It also states if the car is convertible, the top must be up. Ugh. I h=
ave a top which has been removed and requires some fittings and is likely t=
o be a bit of a struggle. I don't really plan to use it. Really needs repla=
ced but I'd rather spend money on
 other more pressing needs. Also the previous owner replaced the exhaust wi=
th a 2-pipe, 4-tipped Monza. Has anyone had trouble with approval because o=
f photos other than Bill, or a modified exhaust?&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks in advance,</div>
<div>Kevin&nbsp;</div>
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