Subject: Re: [TR] TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?

From: Dave MacKay <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2025 15:54:23 -0500

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Which after-market kit did you use in your TR3A?

I installed one long (>15 years) ago but it wasn=E2=80=99t effective. I=E2=
=80=99d be
interested in one known to work.

TIA

Dave MacKay

1960 TR3A s/n 68639L

near Toronto, Canada

>Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 16:45:44 -0600

>From: <[email-masked]>

>To: "'Carl Sereda'" <[email-masked]>,           <
[email-masked]>

>Subject: Re: [TR] TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?

>Carl,

>I was not aware of the ropes used on other British cars, other than my
Austin-Healey, which still originally leaked oil at the rear crank area.

>For both my TR3a and Healey, I installed the after-marked rear seal kits,
which eliminated all oil leaks from the rear crankshaft area.

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ainText">Which after-market kit did you use in your TR3A?</p><p class=3D"Ms=
oPlainText">=C2=A0</p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText">I installed one long (&gt;1=
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one known to work.</p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText">=C2=A0</p><p class=3D"MsoPl=
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t">Dave MacKay</p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText">1960 TR3A s/n 68639L</p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoPlainText">near Toronto, Canada</p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText">=C2=A0=
</p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt;Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 16:45:44 -0600</p><=
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From: Carl Sereda <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2025 22:43:31 +0000 (UTC)

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Thanks for reply RJ,
With a little more research I see quite a few early British cars used simil=
ar rope seals for crankshafts .. but now, most, if not all marques have mod=
ernized replacements available - as you have fitted.Seems best way to go!
Regards,Carl'63TR4since'74

Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 16:45:44 -0600
From: <[email-masked]>
To: "'Carl Sereda'" <[email-masked]>,=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <triumphs@autox=
.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?

Carl,

I was not aware of the ropes used on other British cars, other than my Aust=
in-Healey, which still originally leaked oil at the rear crank area.

For both my TR3a and Healey, I installed the after-marked rear seal kits, w=
hich eliminated all oil leaks from the rear crankshaft area.

From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Carl Sereda
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2025 2:06 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [TR] TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?

 Hi Listers,

 This has been on my mind for quite some time;
=C2=A0Why do TR2 through TR4A rear crank seals NOT USE a graphited rope in =
the 'purpose-made' groove in the scrolled aluminum holder, when Jaguars wit=
h the same type of 'scrolled' crankshaft/seal groove do, as well as some ea=
rly Ford, Jeep and other brands of motors?
Did the Triumph engineers decide against it even though the rear aluminum c=
rank seal parts were already cast?
The special graphited seal rope is still available at Moss (for early Jags)=
 and other makes of that period..
And I recently read that someone found a rope seal in their TR4 crank seal =
upon tear down!.. and he mentions that prior to tear down the rear crank se=
al leaked very little.
To me, it looks like the TR motor rear seal was designed to use a rope just=
 like early Jaguars yet no mention in TR factory manuals.
Been tempted to add the graphited rope.. why not?Regards,
Carl
'63 TR4 since '74
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div><div dir=3D"ltr">Message-ID: &lt;01a401db7b44$5cbc52c0$1634f840$@gmail.=
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e"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Carl,<br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><b=
r clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I was not aware of the ropes used o=
n other British cars, other than my Austin-Healey, which still originally l=
eaked oil at the rear crank area.<br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">For both my TR3a and Healey, I in=
stalled the after-marked rear seal kits, which eliminated all oil leaks fro=
m the rear crankshaft area.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">From: Triumphs &=
lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D=
"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; On Beh=
alf Of Carl Sereda<br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent: Sunday, F=
ebruary 9, 2025 2:06 PM<br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">To: <a sha=
pe=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=
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"ltr">Subject: [TR] TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?<br clear=3D"none"></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"> Hi Listers,<br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
 This has been on my mind for quite some time;<br clear=3D"none"></div><div=
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e44yiv8188775268ydp2ba33e9einline_reply_quote_container" data-split-quote-n=
ode=3D"true"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Why do TR2 through TR4A rear crank seals=
 NOT USE a graphited rope in the 'purpose-made' groove in the scrolled alum=
inum holder, when Jaguars with the same type of 'scrolled' crankshaft/seal =
groove do, as well as some early Ford, Jeep and other brands of motors?<br =
clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Did the Triumph engineers decide agai=
nst it even though the rear aluminum crank seal parts were already cast?<br=
 clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">The special graphited seal rope is s=
till available at Moss (for early Jags) and other makes of that period..<br=
 clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">And I recently read that someone fou=
nd a rope seal in their TR4 crank seal upon tear down!.. and he mentions th=
at prior to tear down the rear crank seal leaked very little.<br clear=3D"n=
one"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">To me, it looks like the TR motor rear seal was=
 designed to use a rope just like early Jaguars yet no mention in TR factor=
y manuals.<br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Been tempted to add the=
 graphited rope.. why not?</div></div></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helv=
etica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;bord=
er-left:1px solid #ccc;padding-left:8px;margin:0px 0px 0px 8px;" class=3D"y=
dp60d55e44yiv8188775268ydp2ba33e9einline_reply_quote_container" data-split-=
quote-node=3D"true"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Regards,<br clear=3D"none"></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">Carl<br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">'63 TR4 sinc=
e '74<br clear=3D"none"></div></div>
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