Subject: Re: [TR] Flat towing a TR3

From: Philip Ethier <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2023 10:36:46 -0500

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I fried a MKII Cortina bearing by flat-towing.

On the other hand, a SAAB 96 was no problema, just put the car in Freewheel=
.

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 9:06=E2=80=AFPM Art McEwen <[email-masked]> wro=
te:

> I read somewhere where this wasn't possible without disconnecting the
> driveshaft due to, I think, a bearing in the gearbox or O/D that doesn't
> get lubricated without the gearbox in gear.   But I've also read reports =
of
> Kas Kasner and his contemporaries routinely flat towing to the race track=
.
>   Which is true?  Both?  Neither?  Or is Kas forgetting he used to
> disconnect the driveshaft at the end of the weekend?
>
> I've seen several MGBs (different gearbox design?) and MX5s being flat
> towed behind RVs, I know the MX5 manual says it's a no-no.
>
> Just wondering.
>
> Art '60 TR3A.
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2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl, Gone but not forgotten
2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac=
e">I fried a MKII Cortina bearing by flat-towing.</div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult" style=3D"font-family:monospace">On the other hand, a SAAB 96 was no pr=
oblema, just=C2=A0put the car in Freewheel.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 9:=
06=E2=80=AFPM Art McEwen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">amcewen2=
@cogeco.ca</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex">I read somewhere where this wasn&#39;t possible without disconne=
cting the driveshaft due to, I think, a bearing in the gearbox or O/D that =
doesn&#39;t get lubricated without the gearbox in gear.=C2=A0 =C2=A0But I&#=
39;ve also read reports of Kas Kasner and his contemporaries routinely flat=
 towing to the race track.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Which is true?=C2=A0 Both?=C2=A0 Ne=
ither?=C2=A0 Or is Kas forgetting he used to disconnect the driveshaft at t=
he end of the weekend?<div><br></div><div>I&#39;ve seen several MGBs (diffe=
rent gearbox design?) and MX5s being flat towed behind RVs, I know the MX5 =
manual says it&#39;s a no-no.</div><div><br></div><div>Just wondering.</div=
><div><br></div><div>Art &#39;60 TR3A.</div>
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a,&quot;lucida grande&quot;,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;bac=
kground-color:rgb(239,239,239)">Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota =
USA</span><br></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdan=
a,geneva,lucida,&quot;lucida grande&quot;,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(239,239,239)">1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW &quot;uncle jack&=
quot;, Sapphire Blue</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdan=
a,geneva,lucida,&quot;lucida grande&quot;,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(239,239,239)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:ve=
rdana,geneva,lucida,&quot;lucida grande&quot;,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;ba=
ckground-color:rgb(239,239,239)">2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red</span><br sty=
le=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,geneva,lucida,&quot;lucida grand=
e&quot;,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(239,239,239)"><span=
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rande&quot;,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(239,239,239)">2=
005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl, Gone but not forgotten</span></div><di=
v><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,geneva,lucida,&quot;l=
ucida grande&quot;,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(239,239,=
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Hardy Prentiss used to flat tow his TR3 behind a Jaguar E-type all over =
the country. He did disconnect the driveshaft before towing.

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Bob

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From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
Philip Ethier
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2023 8:37 AM
To: Art McEwen
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] Flat towing a TR3

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On the other hand, a SAAB 96 was no problema, just put the car in =
Freewheel.

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On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 9:06=E2=80=AFPM Art McEwen <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

I read somewhere where this wasn't possible without disconnecting the =
driveshaft due to, I think, a bearing in the gearbox or O/D that doesn't =
get lubricated without the gearbox in gear.   But I've also read reports =
of Kas Kasner and his contemporaries routinely flat towing to the race =
track.    Which is true?  Both?  Neither?  Or is Kas forgetting he used =
to disconnect the driveshaft at the end of the weekend?

=20

I've seen several MGBs (different gearbox design?) and MX5s being flat =
towed behind RVs, I know the MX5 manual says it's a no-no.

=20

Just wondering.

=20

Art '60 TR3A.

Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs  =

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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hardy Prentiss used to flat tow his TR3 behind a Jaguar E-type all =
over the country. He did disconnect the driveshaft before =
towing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Philip Ethier<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 28, 2023 8:37 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> Art McEwen<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Flat towing a =
TR3<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Courier New"'>I fried a =
MKII Cortina bearing by flat-towing.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New"'>On the other hand, a SAAB 96 was no =
problema, just&nbsp;put the car in =
Freewheel.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 9:06=E2=80=AFPM Art McEwen &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal>I read =
somewhere where this wasn't possible without disconnecting the =
driveshaft due to, I think, a bearing in the gearbox or O/D that doesn't =
get lubricated without the gearbox in gear.&nbsp; &nbsp;But I've also =
read reports of Kas Kasner and his contemporaries routinely flat towing =
to the race track.&nbsp; &nbsp; Which is true?&nbsp; Both?&nbsp; =
Neither?&nbsp; Or is Kas forgetting he used to disconnect the driveshaft =
at the end of the weekend?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I've seen several MGBs (different gearbox design?) and =
MX5s being flat towed behind RVs, I know the MX5 manual says it's a =
no-no.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Just wondering.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Art '60 TR3A.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
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USA</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black;background:#EFEFE=
F'>1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW &quot;uncle jack&quot;, Sapphire =
Blue</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><br><span =
style=3D'background:#EFEFEF'>2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport =
Red</span><br><span style=3D'background:#EFEFEF'>2005 Lotus Elise, =
Bordeaux Red Pearl, Gone but not =
forgotten</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black;background:#EFEFE=
F'>2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, =
White</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black;background:#EFEFE=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">And if you don=E2=80=99t disconnect the dri=
veshaft you need to stop every 100 miles or there about and drive it around t=
o fling oil on the gears/bearings. If not, then do you feel lucky?<div>Went t=
hrough that decision with a Spitfire, same conclusion.</div><div>Wish the ki=
ts that remotely disconnect in the driveline were cheaper.</div><div><div><b=
r></div><div>Bud<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-size: 21pt; bac=
kground-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Sent from my Commodore 64</span><div=
><span style=3D"font-size: 21pt;"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-=
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f=3D"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D9GorqroigqM" style=3D"caret-color: rg=
b(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font color=3D"#00000=
0">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D9GorqroigqM</font></a></div></div></div=
></div></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 28,=
 2023, at 12:04 PM, Kinderlehrer &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br>=
<br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<=
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oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hardy Prentiss used to flat tow his TR3 b=
ehind a Jaguar E-type all over the country. He did disconnect the driveshaft=
 before towing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
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font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;colo=
r:#1F497D">Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:=
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 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Taho=
ma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Philip Ethier<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 2=
8, 2023 8:37 AM<br><b>To:</b> Art McEwen<br><b>Cc:</b> [email-masked]=
et<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Flat towing a TR3<o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">I fried a MKII Cortina b=
earing by flat-towing.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cou=
rier New&quot;">On the other hand, a SAAB 96 was no problema, just&nbsp;put t=
he car in Freewheel.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 a=
t 9:06=E2=80=AFPM Art McEwen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">amcew=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border=
:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:=
4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I read somewhere where this w=
asn't possible without disconnecting the driveshaft due to, I think, a beari=
ng in the gearbox or O/D that doesn't get lubricated without the gearbox in g=
ear.&nbsp; &nbsp;But I've also read reports of Kas Kasner and his contempora=
ries routinely flat towing to the race track.&nbsp; &nbsp; Which is true?&nb=
sp; Both?&nbsp; Neither?&nbsp; Or is Kas forgetting he used to disconnect th=
e driveshaft at the end of the weekend?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I've seen sever=
al MGBs (different gearbox design?) and MX5s being flat towed behind RVs, I k=
now the MX5 manual says it's a no-no.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just wonder=
ing.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></=
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2023 22:58:08 +0000 (UTC)

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 enlighten me as to why one would have to disconnect the driveshaft.=C2=A0
inquiring minds need to know
Frank

    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 11:11:09 AM PDT, Kinderlehrer <kinderl=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
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Hardy Prentiss used to flat tow his TR3 behind a Jaguar E-type all over the=
 country. He did disconnect the driveshaft before towing.

 =C2=A0

Bob

 =C2=A0

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Philip=
 Ethier
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2023 8:37 AM
To: Art McEwen
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] Flat towing a TR3

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

On the other hand, a SAAB 96 was no problema, just=C2=A0put the car in Free=
wheel.

 =C2=A0

I read somewhere where this wasn't possible without disconnecting the drive=
shaft due to, I think, a bearing in the gearbox or O/D that doesn't get lub=
ricated without the gearbox in gear.=C2=A0 =C2=A0But I've also read reports=
 of Kas Kasner and his contemporaries routinely flat towing to the race tra=
ck.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Which is true?=C2=A0 Both?=C2=A0 Neither?=C2=A0 Or is Kas =
forgetting he used to disconnect the driveshaft at the end of the weekend?

 =C2=A0

I've seen several MGBs (different gearbox design?) and MX5s being flat towe=
d behind RVs, I know the MX5 manual says it's a no-no.

 =C2=A0

Just wondering.

 =C2=A0

Art '60 TR3A.

Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs=C2=A0 http://www.team.net/a=
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">enlighten me as to why one w=
ould have to disconnect the driveshaft.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-se=
tdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">inquiring m=
inds need to know</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Frank</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
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                    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 11:11:09 AM PDT, Kinde=
rlehrer &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div id=3D"ydp88310361yiv0198123130"><div><div class=
=3D"ydp88310361yiv0198123130WordSection1"><p class=3D"ydp88310361yiv0198123=
130MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Hardy Prentis=
s used to flat tow his TR3 behind a Jaguar E-type all over the country. He =
did disconnect the driveshaft before towing.</span></p><p class=3D"ydp88310=
361yiv0198123130MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">=
 &nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Bob</span></p><p class=3D"ydp88310361=
yiv0198123130MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> &n=
bsp;</span></p><div id=3D"ydp88310361yiv0198123130yqt46417" class=3D"ydp883=
10361yiv0198123130yqt8605026490"><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid=
 #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"ydp88310361yiv019812=
3130MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]=
t] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Philip Ethier<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Saturda=
y, October 28, 2023 8:37 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> Art McEwen<br clea=
r=3D"none"><b>Cc:</b> [email-masked]<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:=
</b> Re: [TR] Flat towing a TR3</span></p></div><p class=3D"ydp88310361yiv0=
198123130MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><div><div><p class=3D"ydp88310361yiv01981231=
30MsoNormal"><span>I fried a MKII Cortina bearing by flat-towing.</span></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal"><span> &nbsp;</s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal"><span>On =
the other hand, a SAAB 96 was no problema, just&nbsp;put the car in Freewhe=
el.</span></p></div></div><p class=3D"ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal"> &=
nbsp;</p><div><div><p class=3D"ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal">On Thu, M=
ar 28, 2019 at 9:06=E2=80=AFPM Art McEwen &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">amcewen2@cogeco.=
ca</a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:sol=
id #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0=
in;"><p class=3D"ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal">I read somewhere where =
this wasn't possible without disconnecting the driveshaft due to, I think, =
a bearing in the gearbox or O/D that doesn't get lubricated without the gea=
rbox in gear.&nbsp; &nbsp;But I've also read reports of Kas Kasner and his =
contemporaries routinely flat towing to the race track.&nbsp; &nbsp; Which =
is true?&nbsp; Both?&nbsp; Neither?&nbsp; Or is Kas forgetting he used to d=
isconnect the driveshaft at the end of the weekend?</p><div><p class=3D"ydp=
88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp883103=
61yiv0198123130MsoNormal">I've seen several MGBs (different gearbox design?=
) and MX5s being flat towed behind RVs, I know the MX5 manual says it's a n=
o-no.</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal"> &nbsp;<=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal">Just wondering=
.</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal">Art '60 TR3A.</p><=
/div><p class=3D"ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal">** <a shape=3D"rect" hr=
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It depends on the design of the transmission. In some cars, the lubrication
of the bearing on the rear of the transmission depends on movement in the
front part of the transmission.  Coasting in neutral while driving does not
normally last long enough to make any difference, but continuous towing of
the car can starve the bearing of needed lubrication.  On my
autocross/mini-stock Cortina, when we saw smoke, I stopped on the
shoulder.  Our mechanic crawled under to look around and burned his hand on
the tailpiece.  Lucky for him, there was water in the roadside ditch.

On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 5:58=E2=80=AFPM Frank Fisher <[email-masked]> =
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> enlighten me as to why one would have to disconnect the driveshaft.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:monospace">It depends on the design of the transmission. In some c=
ars, the lubrication of the bearing on the rear of the transmission depends=
 on movement in the front part of the transmission.=C2=A0 Coasting=C2=A0in =
neutral while driving=C2=A0does not normally last long enough to make any d=
ifference, but continuous towing of the car can starve the bearing of neede=
d lubrication.=C2=A0 On my autocross/mini-stock Cortina, when we saw smoke,=
 I stopped on the shoulder.=C2=A0 Our mechanic crawled under to look around=
 and burned his hand on the tailpiece.=C2=A0 Lucky for him, there was water=
 in the roadside ditch.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 5:58=E2=80=
=AFPM Frank Fisher &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">yellowtr3@yah=
oo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
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:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,A=
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        <div dir=3D"ltr">enlighten me as to why one would have to disconnec=
t the driveshaft.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">in=
quiring minds need to know</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2023 20:36:10 -0500

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Spinning the differential unloaded cause no issues.  Spinning the output 
shaft of the transmission while it's in neutral provides no lubrication 
within the transmission and will nuke applicable bearings / bushings.  
When the car is in gear, oil is being flung about the transmission, in 
neutral that's not the case.  That's why you need to disconnect the 
driveshaft before towing with the rear wheels on the ground.

Regards, Tony Drews

On 10/28/2023 5:58 PM, Frank Fisher wrote:
> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 11:11:09 AM PDT, Kinderlehrer 
> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
> Hardy Prentiss used to flat tow his TR3 behind a Jaguar E-type all 
> over the country. He did disconnect the driveshaft before towing.
>
> Bob
>
> *From:*Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] *On Behalf Of 
> *Philip Ethier
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 28, 2023 8:37 AM
> *To:* Art McEwen
> *Cc:* [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Flat towing a TR3
>
> On the other hand, a SAAB 96 was no problema, just put the car in 
> Freewheel.
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 9:06 PM Art McEwen <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>     I read somewhere where this wasn't possible without disconnecting
>     the driveshaft due to, I think, a bearing in the gearbox or O/D
>     that doesn't get lubricated without the gearbox in gear.   But
>     I've also read reports of Kas Kasner and his contemporaries
>     routinely flat towing to the race track.    Which is true? Both? 
>     Neither?  Or is Kas forgetting he used to disconnect the
>     driveshaft at the end of the weekend?
>
>     I've seen several MGBs (different gearbox design?) and MX5s being
>     flat towed behind RVs, I know the MX5 manual says it's a no-no.
>
>     Just wondering.
>
>     Art '60 TR3A.
>
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    <p>Spinning the differential unloaded cause no issues.  Spinning the
      output shaft of the transmission while it's in neutral provides no
      lubrication within the transmission and will nuke applicable
      bearings / bushings.  When the car is in gear, oil is being flung
      about the transmission, in neutral that's not the case.  That's
      why you need to disconnect the driveshaft before towing with the
      rear wheels on the ground.</p>
    <p>Regards, Tony Drews<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/28/2023 5:58 PM, Frank Fisher
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">enlighten me as to why one
          would have to disconnect the driveshaft. </div>
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">inquiring minds need to know</div>
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          <div> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 11:11:09 AM PDT,
            Kinderlehrer <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote: </div>
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                  <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Hardy
                      Prentiss used to flat tow his TR3 behind a Jaguar
                      E-type all over the country. He did disconnect the
                      driveshaft before towing.</span></p>
                  <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">  </span></p>
                  <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Bob</span></p>
                  <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">  </span></p>
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                      <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal"><b><span
                            style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt;"> Triumphs
                          [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</a>] <b>On
                            Behalf Of </b>Philip Ethier<br clear="none">
                          <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 28, 2023 8:37
                          AM<br clear="none">
                          <b>To:</b> Art McEwen<br clear="none">
                          <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br
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                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Flat towing a TR3</span></p>
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                    <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal">  </p>
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                        <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal"><span>I
                            fried a MKII Cortina bearing by flat-towing.</span></p>
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                             </span></p>
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                      <div>
                        <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal"><span>On
                            the other hand, a SAAB 96 was no problema,
                            just put the car in Freewheel.</span></p>
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                    <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal">  </p>
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                        <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal">On
                          Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 9:06 PM Art McEwen &lt;<a
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                        <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal">I
                          read somewhere where this wasn't possible
                          without disconnecting the driveshaft due to, I
                          think, a bearing in the gearbox or O/D that
                          doesn't get lubricated without the gearbox in
                          gear.   But I've also read reports of Kas
                          Kasner and his contemporaries routinely flat
                          towing to the race track.    Which is true? 
                          Both?  Neither?  Or is Kas forgetting he used
                          to disconnect the driveshaft at the end of the
                          weekend?</p>
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                          <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal">I've
                            seen several MGBs (different gearbox
                            design?) and MX5s being flat towed behind
                            RVs, I know the MX5 manual says it's a
                            no-no.</p>
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                          <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal">Just
                            wondering.</p>
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                          <p class="ydp88310361yiv0198123130MsoNormal">Art
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px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I read somewhere where this wasn=
't possible without disconnecting the driveshaft due to, I think, a bearing i=
n the gearbox or O/D that doesn't get lubricated without the gearbox in gear=
.&nbsp; &nbsp;But I've also read reports of Kas Kasner and his contemporarie=
s routinely flat towing to the race track.&nbsp; &nbsp; Which is true?&nbsp;=
 Both?&nbsp; Neither?&nbsp; Or is Kas forgetting he used to disconnect the d=
riveshaft at the end of the weekend?<div><br></div><div>I've seen several MG=
Bs (different gearbox design?) and MX5s being flat towed behind RVs, I know t=
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    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 04:29:16 PM PDT, Philip Ethier <pethie=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
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 It depends on the design of the transmission. In some cars, the lubricatio=
n of the bearing on the rear of the transmission depends on movement in the=
 front part of the transmission.=C2=A0 Coasting=C2=A0in neutral while drivi=
ng=C2=A0does not normally last long enough to make any difference, but cont=
inuous towing of the car can starve the bearing of needed lubrication.=C2=
=A0 On my autocross/mini-stock Cortina, when we saw smoke, I stopped on the=
 shoulder.=C2=A0 Our mechanic crawled under to look around and burned his h=
and on the tailpiece.=C2=A0 Lucky for him, there was water in the roadside =
ditch.=C2=A0=C2=A0
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p Ethier &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:monospace;" class=3D"ydp55c=
005b1yiv5648598124gmail_default">It depends on the design of the transmissi=
on. In some cars, the lubrication of the bearing on the rear of the transmi=
ssion depends on movement in the front part of the transmission.&nbsp; Coas=
ting&nbsp;in neutral while driving&nbsp;does not normally last long enough =
to make any difference, but continuous towing of the car can starve the bea=
ring of needed lubrication.&nbsp; On my autocross/mini-stock Cortina, when =
we saw smoke, I stopped on the shoulder.&nbsp; Our mechanic crawled under t=
o look around and burned his hand on the tailpiece.&nbsp; Lucky for him, th=
ere was water in the roadside ditch.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div></div><br clear=3D"no=
ne"><div class=3D"ydp55c005b1yiv5648598124gmail_quote"><div id=3D"ydp55c005=
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8, 2023 at 5:58=E2=80=AFPM Frank Fisher &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
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lvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">enlighten me as to why one would have to disconnec=
t the driveshaft.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">inquiring minds need to know</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Frank</div></div></div></blockquote><div><=
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From: Mark Bradakis <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 07:18:02 -0600

> inquiring minds need to know

Lubrication.  With the motor not running, the laygear is not splashing 
oil all around.  If you take a transmission with the top cover off and 
turn the mainshaft, you will see that only the mainshaft turns.  And it 
is way above the oil level.  So the rear and middle bearings get no oil 
while flat towing a car with the driveshaft connected.  And a bearing 
spinning with no lubrication is not long for this world.

But if every time the tow vehicle stops for gas, you can start the motor 
and let if idle in neutral for a few minutes.  That will turn the input 
shaft, which will turn the layshaft, which will fling oil EVERYWHERE in 
the box, thus lubricating the bearings and keeping them happy.

mjb.

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From: dave northrup <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 16:50:07 +0000

Too risky

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Mark Bradakis
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2023 8:18 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] Flat towing a TR3

> inquiring minds need to know

Lubrication.  With the motor not running, the laygear is not splashing oil all around.  If you take a transmission with the top cover off and turn the mainshaft, you will see that only the mainshaft turns.  And it is way above the oil level.  So the rear and middle bearings get no oil while flat towing a car with the driveshaft connected.  And a bearing spinning with no lubrication is not long for this world.

But if every time the tow vehicle stops for gas, you can start the motor and let if idle in neutral for a few minutes.  That will turn the input shaft, which will turn the layshaft, which will fling oil EVERYWHERE in the box, thus lubricating the bearings and keeping them happy.

mjb.

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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 17:24:30 +0000 (UTC)

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It is the layshaft gears that are partially submerged in the oil.=C2=A0 If =
they are spinning they will fling oil all around the transmission case keep=
ing everything lubricated.=C2=A0 It the engine is not turning the gears are=
 not turning.=C2=A0 Hence, smoked bushings.=C2=A0=20

If, however, the transmission is equipped with an overdrive unit, the ring =
gear, the planetary gears and carrier are all spinning and those are also p=
artially submerged.=C2=A0 They will fling oil about the inside of the OD un=
it and since the OD and the transmission share lubricant and there are pass=
ages between the two some of that oil will find its way to the mainshaft an=
d MAY provide enough lubrication to save it.=C2=A0=C2=A0
I say MAY since I have not tested this and I am not inclined to do so, but =
one hears anecdotes of those who have flat towed a car with no issues.=C2=
=A0 I must ask was this car equipped with overdrive?

Dave=20

=20

    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 11:25:03 PM CDT, Tony Drews <tony@tony=
drews.com> wrote: =20
=20
  =20
Spinning the differential unloaded cause no issues.=C2=A0 Spinning the outp=
ut shaft of the transmission while it's in neutral provides no lubrication =
within the transmission and will nuke applicable bearings / bushings.=C2=A0=
 When the car is in gear, oil is being flung about the transmission, in neu=
tral that's not the case.=C2=A0 That's why you need to disconnect the drive=
shaft before towing with the rear wheels on the ground.
=20
Regards, Tony Drews
=20
 On 10/28/2023 5:58 PM, Frank Fisher wrote:
 =20
  enlighten me as to why one would have to disconnect the driveshaft.=C2=A0=
=20
  inquiring minds need to know=20
  Frank=20
 =20
 =20
 =20
 =20
      On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 11:11:09 AM PDT, Kinderlehrer <kinde=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
 =20
     =20
Hardy Prentiss used to flat tow his TR3 behind a Jaguar E-type all over the=
 country. He did disconnect the driveshaft before towing.
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
Bob
=20
 =C2=A0
  =20
From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Philip=
 Ethier
 Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2023 8:37 AM
 To: Art McEwen
 Cc: [email-masked]
 Subject: Re: [TR] Flat towing a TR3
 =20
 =C2=A0
  =20
I fried a MKII Cortina bearing by flat-towing.
  =20
 =C2=A0
  =20
On the other hand, a SAAB 96 was no problema, just=C2=A0put the car in Free=
wheel.
  =20
 =C2=A0
  =20
On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 9:06=E2=80=AFPM Art McEwen <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
 =20
=20
I read somewhere where this wasn't possible without disconnecting the drive=
shaft due to, I think, a bearing in the gearbox or O/D that doesn't get lub=
ricated without the gearbox in gear.=C2=A0 =C2=A0But I've also read reports=
 of Kas Kasner and his contemporaries routinely flat towing to the race tra=
ck.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Which is true?=C2=A0 Both?=C2=A0 Neither?=C2=A0 Or is Kas =
forgetting he used to disconnect the driveshaft at the end of the weekend?
 =20
 =C2=A0
  =20
I've seen several MGBs (different gearbox design?) and MX5s being flat towe=
d behind RVs, I know the MX5 manual says it's a no-no.
  =20
 =C2=A0
  =20
Just wondering.
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Art '60 TR3A.
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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydp3237ca81yahoo-style-wrap" style=
=3D"font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">It is the layshaft gears that are partially =
submerged in the oil.&nbsp; If they are spinning they will fling oil all ar=
ound the transmission case keeping everything lubricated.&nbsp; It the engi=
ne is not turning the gears are not turning.&nbsp; Hence, smoked bushings.&=
nbsp; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">If, however, the transmission is equipped wi=
th an overdrive unit, the ring gear, the planetary gears and carrier are al=
l spinning and those are also partially submerged.&nbsp; They will fling oi=
l about the inside of the OD unit and since the OD and the transmission sha=
re lubricant and there are passages between the two some of that oil will f=
ind its way to the mainshaft and MAY provide enough lubrication to save it.=
&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I say MAY since I have not tested this and I=
 am not inclined to do so, but one hears anecdotes of those who have flat t=
owed a car with no issues.&nbsp; I must ask was this car equipped with over=
drive?<br></div><div><br></div><div class=3D"ydp3237ca81signature"><div sty=
le=3D"color: black; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: =
normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: normal; font-family: Arial, Helvetica=
, sans-serif; font-size-adjust: none;"><div style=3D"color: black; font-sty=
le: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12pt; lin=
e-height: normal; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size-adju=
st: none;"><div><font size=3D"4">Dave <br></font></div><div><span style=3D"=
font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"><br></span></div><br>=
</div></div></div></div>
        <div><br></div><div><br></div>
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            <div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, s=
ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
               =20
                <div>
                    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 11:25:03 PM CDT, Tony =
Drews &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div>
    <p>Spinning the differential unloaded cause no issues.&nbsp; Spinning t=
he
      output shaft of the transmission while it's in neutral provides no
      lubrication within the transmission and will nuke applicable
      bearings / bushings.&nbsp; When the car is in gear, oil is being flun=
g
      about the transmission, in neutral that's not the case.&nbsp; That's
      why you need to disconnect the driveshaft before towing with the
      rear wheels on the ground.</p>
    <p>Regards, Tony Drews<br>
    </p>
    <div class=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166moz-cite-prefix">On 10/28/2023 5:=
58 PM, Frank Fisher
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-seri=
f;font-size:16px;" class=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166ydpa1c83a43yahoo-style-=
wrap">
        <div dir=3D"ltr">enlighten me as to why one
          would have to disconnect the driveshaft.&nbsp;</div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">inquiring minds need to know</div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Frank</div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <div id=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166ydp88310361yahoo_quoted_8867152852=
" class=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166ydp88310361yahoo_quoted">
        <div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-=
serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
          <div> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 11:11:09 AM PDT,
            Kinderlehrer <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=
=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel=3D"nofollow" target=
=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote: </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>
            <div id=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166ydp88310361yiv0198123130">
              <div>
                <div class=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166ydp88310361yiv0198123=
130WordSection1">
                  <p class=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166ydp88310361yiv0198123=
130MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Hardy
                      Prentiss used to flat tow his TR3 behind a Jaguar
                      E-type all over the country. He did disconnect the
                      driveshaft before towing.</span></p>
                  <p class=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166ydp88310361yiv0198123=
130MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span=
></p>
                  <p class=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166ydp88310361yiv0198123=
130MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Bob</span></p=
                  <p class=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166ydp88310361yiv0198123=
130MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span=
></p>
                  <div id=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166ydp88310361yiv01981231=
30yqt46417" class=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166ydp88310361yiv0198123130yqt860=
5026490">
                    <div style=3D"border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) currentc=
olor currentcolor; border-style: solid none none; border-width: 1pt medium =
medium; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;">
                      <p class=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166ydp88310361yiv019=
8123130MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> Triumphs
                          [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t" class=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166moz-txt-link-freetext" rel=3D"nofollow"=
 target=3D"_blank">mailto:[email-masked]</a>] <b>On
                            Behalf Of </b>Philip Ethier<br clear=3D"none">
                          <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 28, 2023 8:37
                          AM<br clear=3D"none">
                          <b>To:</b> Art McEwen<br clear=3D"none">
                          <b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net" class=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166moz-txt-link-abbreviated" rel=3D"nofo=
llow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none">
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Flat towing a TR3</span>=
</p>
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                    <p class=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166ydp88310361yiv01981=
23130MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <p class=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166ydp88310361yiv0=
198123130MsoNormal"><span>I
                            fried a MKII Cortina bearing by flat-towing.</s=
pan></p>
                      </div>
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                        <p class=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166ydp88310361yiv0=
198123130MsoNormal"><span>
                            &nbsp;</span></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166ydp88310361yiv0=
198123130MsoNormal"><span>On
                            the other hand, a SAAB 96 was no problema,
                            just&nbsp;put the car in Freewheel.</span></p>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <p class=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166ydp88310361yiv01981=
23130MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <p class=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166ydp88310361yiv0=
198123130MsoNormal">On
                          Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 9:06=E2=80=AFPM Art McEwen &=
lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"ydpe17ebf1=
4yiv6562519166moz-txt-link-freetext" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">amc=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                          wrote:</p>
                      </div>
                      <blockquote style=3D"border-color: currentcolor curre=
ntcolor currentcolor rgb(204, 204, 204); border-style: none none none solid=
; border-width: medium medium medium 1pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-=
left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;">
                        <p class=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166ydp88310361yiv0=
198123130MsoNormal">I
                          read somewhere where this wasn't possible
                          without disconnecting the driveshaft due to, I
                          think, a bearing in the gearbox or O/D that
                          doesn't get lubricated without the gearbox in
                          gear.&nbsp; &nbsp;But I've also read reports of K=
as
                          Kasner and his contemporaries routinely flat
                          towing to the race track.&nbsp; &nbsp; Which is t=
rue?&nbsp;
                          Both?&nbsp; Neither?&nbsp; Or is Kas forgetting h=
e used
                          to disconnect the driveshaft at the end of the
                          weekend?</p>
                        <div>
                          <p class=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166ydp88310361yi=
v0198123130MsoNormal">
                            &nbsp;</p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166ydp88310361yi=
v0198123130MsoNormal">I've
                            seen several MGBs (different gearbox
                            design?) and MX5s being flat towed behind
                            RVs, I know the MX5 manual says it's a
                            no-no.</p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166ydp88310361yi=
v0198123130MsoNormal">
                            &nbsp;</p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166ydp88310361yi=
v0198123130MsoNormal">Just
                            wondering.</p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166ydp88310361yi=
v0198123130MsoNormal">
                            &nbsp;</p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class=3D"ydpe17ebf14yiv6562519166ydp88310361yi=
v0198123130MsoNormal">Art
                            '60 TR3A.</p>
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