Subject: Re: [TR] LED Turn Signal Light

From: Greg Lemon <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 20:08:28 -0500

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>From TR3Driver (Randall RIP)

"are LED lights "handed"?  (Me)

Bingo ! (Randall)

Seriously, LED stands for light emitting DIODE, meaning they only work for
one polarity. The TR250 turn signal indicator relies on the fact that
incandescent bulbs don't care about polarity.

Talk to your LED vendor, they may have a unit that provides for operation
with either polarity. Otherwise, you'll have to rearrange the turn
indicator circuit to use a (or two) LED.
Some possibly workable alternatives:

1) Use a 3-terminal flasher, connect the dash lamp to the 3rd terminal.
That's how the TR2-4A are wired.

2) Use two LEDs (possibly even in the same housing), so you can wire one to
each side.

3) Insert a diode bridge between the LED and the original turn wiring
https://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/...WSF&CID=3DGMC

4) Add a relay with its coil wired in place of the original turn signal
indicator bulb, and the contacts switching the LED.

5) Use two diodes (rather than the bridge), and wire the other side of the
LED to ground.

Or of course just keep using an incandescent.

On Sat, Jul 8, 2023, 7:29 PM <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> Correct, an electronic three spade flasher works for having LED=E2=80=99s=
 for turn
> signals and also the turn indicator.
>
>
>
> A caveat though to people looking for dash LED=E2=80=99s: there are some =
German
> made LED-s that have an al-u-min-e-um heat sink between the screw base an=
d
> the lens.  It is the same height as the spring holding tabs on the metal
> socket, and when inserted into the insulated two wire style indicator lam=
p
> holder socket and pushed into the instrument socket (six of them), they
> short out one wire to ground.  Beware.  Always get the lower wattage
> non-heatsink style as they are plenty bright.  The only ones that does no=
t
> matter are the instrument lighting circuit (Red with white tracer) becaus=
e
> they use the instrument case as the ground path to the black wire screwed
> onto the instrument mounting post.
>
>
>
> A dimmable 12VDC LED works for the IGN indicator, have not found one of
> those in a screw in E-10 base yet so still using an incandescent for the
> IGN indicator.
>
>
>
> And if your instrument light plastic spring loaded socket is turning to
> cheese, we have some 3D printed solutions (see the Triumph Experience 3D
> printing forum) to easily repair the OE instrument sockets.
>
>
>
> So here is a challenge for the group I have not taken any time to look
> into as of yet:
>
>
>
> My TR250 dash green turn indicator flashes with the left turn but not the
> right turn.  All turn signals, LED front and rear signals function
> correctly.  The only issue is the green turn signal indicator in the gaug=
e
> does not flash for right turns.  The electronic flasher unit has a good
> audible synthesized =E2=80=9Cclicking=E2=80=9D when the turn signals are =
active both left
> and right turns.
>
>
>
> Not yet ruled out some issue from the PO/DPM, or a ground wire I missed
> inside the harness when repairing a burnt Brown w/White wire on the harne=
ss.
>
>
>
> Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *auprich=
ard
> uprichard.net
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 8, 2023 1:25 PM
> *To:* DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>; dave northrup <[email-masked]>=
;
> triumph list list <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
>
>
>
> OK, I was getting muddled between my TR250 which has numerous warning
> lamps and the TR3 which obviously only has two.
>
>
>
> It is possible to get an LED for the flasher, as long as you get an
> LED-compatible flasher (which I did from LiteZupp).
>
>
>
> But there was no alternative for the ignition lamp.
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> *From:* DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 8, 2023 12:52 PM
> *To:* dave northrup <[email-masked]>; triumph list <
> [email-masked]>; auprichard uprichard.net <
> [email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
>
>
>
> That is probably due to the fact that the flasher unit requires a minimum
> current to operate.  Since this is a three-terminal unit with the third
> wire for the dash indicator switching over to a two-terminal electronic
> flasher will not work.  And the electronic units may be Neg-Ground only.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:06:19 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> All I can say is I just replaced all the bulbs in my latest TR3 with LEDs
> from LiteZupp but Mike said I=E2=80=99d have to stick with the original b=
ulbs for
> the warning lamps.
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *dave
> northrup
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM
> *To:* triumph list list <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
>
>
>
> https://litezupp.com/ can replace every bulb in almost every car
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* auprichard uprichard.net <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM
> *To:* dave northrup <[email-masked]>; triumph list list <
> [email-masked]>
> *Subject:* RE: generator vs alternator
>
>
>
> I would take it to a local shop and have them test it =E2=80=93 but that=
=E2=80=99s just me.
>
>
>
> An alternator is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers on
> at the same time), but it will require different pulleys if it is a narro=
w
> belt.
>
>
>
> I thought most alternator conversions were negative ground, but I may be
> wrong.  You can also stick with the generator and convert to negative
> ground for radios and other more modern electrical appliances.
>
>
>
> Not sure about the reference to LEDs:  my understanding is  that there
> really is no LED alternative for the dash warning lights.
>
>
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, Michigan
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *dave
> northrup
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM
> *To:* triumph list list <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* [TR] generator vs alternator
>
>
>
> Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.  Since th=
e
> engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator works or if at
> all.  It is still in the engine compartment, wires connected (unlike the
> engine).  how can I test it?
>
>
>
> Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interes=
t
> in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (little jok=
e
> there) or go back to a generator?
>
>
>
> Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?
>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto">From TR3Driver (Randall RIP)</div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">&quot;are LED lights &quot;handed&=
quot;?=C2=A0 (Me)</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Bingo =
! (Randall)</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Seriously, L=
ED stands for light emitting DIODE, meaning they only work for one polarity=
. The TR250 turn signal indicator relies on the fact that incandescent bulb=
s don&#39;t care about polarity.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">Talk to your LED vendor, they may have a unit that provides for o=
peration with either polarity. Otherwise, you&#39;ll have to rearrange the =
turn indicator circuit to use a (or two) LED.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Some p=
ossibly workable alternatives:<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"=
>1) Use a 3-terminal flasher, connect the dash lamp to the 3rd terminal. Th=
at&#39;s how the TR2-4A are wired.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"auto">2) Use two LEDs (possibly even in the same housing), so you can =
wire one to each side.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">3=
) Insert a diode bridge between the LED and the original turn wiring <a hre=
f=3D"https://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/...WSF&amp;CID=3DGMC" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/...=
WSF&amp;CID=3DGMC</a></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">4)=
 Add a relay with its coil wired in place of the original turn signal indic=
ator bulb, and the contacts switching the LED.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto">5) Use two diodes (rather than the bridge), and wire=
 the other side of the LED to ground.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"auto">Or of course just keep using an incandescent.</div></div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Ju=
l 8, 2023, 7:29 PM  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" li=
nk=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">Andrew,<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Correct, an =
electronic three spade flasher works for having LED=E2=80=99s for turn sign=
als and also the turn indicator.=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">A caveat though to peop=
le looking for dash LED=E2=80=99s: there are some German made LED-s that ha=
ve an al-u-min-e-um heat sink between the screw base and the lens.=C2=A0 It=
 is the same height as the spring holding tabs on the metal socket, and whe=
n inserted into the insulated two wire style indicator lamp holder socket a=
nd pushed into the instrument socket (six of them), they short out one wire=
 to ground.=C2=A0 Beware.=C2=A0 Always get the lower wattage non-heatsink s=
tyle as they are plenty bright.=C2=A0 The only ones that does not matter ar=
e the instrument lighting circuit (Red with white tracer) because they use =
the instrument case as the ground path to the black wire screwed onto the i=
nstrument mounting post.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">A dimmable 12VDC LED works for the IGN=
 indicator, have not found one of those in a screw in E-10 base yet so stil=
l using an incandescent for the IGN indicator.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">And if your inst=
rument light plastic spring loaded socket is turning to cheese, we have som=
e 3D printed solutions (see the Triumph Experience 3D printing forum) to ea=
sily repair the OE instrument sockets. <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">So here is a challenge =
for the group I have not taken any time to look into as of yet:=C2=A0 <u></=
u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">My TR250 dash green turn indicator flashes with the left turn but n=
ot the right turn.=C2=A0 All turn signals, LED front and rear signals funct=
ion correctly.=C2=A0 The only issue is the green turn signal indicator in t=
he gauge does not flash for right turns.=C2=A0 The electronic flasher unit =
has a good audible synthesized =E2=80=9Cclicking=E2=80=9D when the turn sig=
nals are active both left and right turns.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Not yet ruled out so=
me issue from the PO/DPM, or a ground wire I missed inside the harness when=
 repairing a burnt Brown w/White wire on the harness.<u></u><u></u></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Glenn aka=
 StagByTriumph Garage<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;pa=
dding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer norefer=
rer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf=
 Of </b>auprichard <a href=3D"http://uprichard.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noref=
errer" target=3D"_blank">uprichard.net</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 8=
, 2023 1:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dave1massey=
@cs.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt;; dave northrup &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; triumph list=
 list &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer nore=
ferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b=
> Re: [TR] generator vs alternator<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1f497d">OK, I was getti=
ng muddled between my TR250 which has numerous warning lamps and the TR3 wh=
ich obviously only has two.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1f497d"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1f497d">It is possible to g=
et an LED for the flasher, as long as you get an LED-compatible flasher (wh=
ich I did from LiteZupp).<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1f497d"><=
u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1f497d">But there was no alte=
rnative for the ignition lamp.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1f49=
7d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1f497d">Andrew<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div>=
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">da=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 8, 2023 12:52 PM<b=
r><b>To:</b> dave northrup &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; triumph l=
ist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer norefe=
rrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; auprichard <a href=
=3D"http://uprichard.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">u=
prichard.net</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><=
b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] generator vs alternator<u></u><u></u></p></div></di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,s=
ans-serif">That is probably due to the fact that the flasher unit requires =
a minimum current to operate.=C2=A0 Since this is a three-terminal unit wit=
h the third wire for the dash indicator switching over to a two-terminal el=
ectronic flasher will not work.=C2=A0 And the electronic units may be Neg-G=
round only.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u=
>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:black">Dave </span><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&qu=
ot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div></div></div>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div></div><div id=3D=
"m_-626859871989841982m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yahoo_quoted_977253936=
0"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">On Saturday, July 8, 2=
023 at 11:06:19 AM CDT, auprichard <a href=3D"http://uprichard.net" rel=3D"=
noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">uprichard.net</a> &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_bl=
ank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: <u></u><u></u></span></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p></div><div><div id=3D"m_-626859871989841982m_807274364286681843ydp=
b20e27b0yiv9419429768"><div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;New serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">All I can say is I just replaced =
all the bulbs in my latest TR3 with LEDs from LiteZupp but Mike said I=E2=
=80=99d have to stick with the original bulbs for the warning lamps.</span>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-seri=
f;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;New serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26=
282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><div id=3D"m_-626859871989841982m_8072743642=
86681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768yqt77354"><div><div style=3D"border:none;bo=
rder-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p><b><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26=
282a">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Hel=
vetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triu=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>dave northrup=
<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM<br><b>To:</b> triumph list=
 list &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer nore=
ferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b=
> Re: [TR] generator vs alternator<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif=
;color:#26282a">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><a href=
=3D"https://litezupp.com/" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">=
https://litezupp.com/</a> can replace every bulb in almost every car<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helv=
etica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;c=
olor:#26282a">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none=
;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p><b><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#2=
6282a">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"> auprichard <a href=3D"http://upric=
hard.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">uprichard.net</a>=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferr=
er" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Thu=
rsday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> dave northrup &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">dave@r=
anteer.com</a>&gt;; triumph list list &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.=
team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
am.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: generator vs alternator<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p></div></div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><=
p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;New serif&quot;;color:#=
1f497d">I would take it to a local shop and have them test it =E2=80=93 but=
 that=E2=80=99s just me.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p=
><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;New serif&quot;;color:#1=
f497d">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helve=
tica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;New serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">An a=
lternator is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers on at th=
e same time), but it will require different pulleys if it is a narrow belt.=
=C2=A0 </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&q=
uot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;New serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</sp=
an><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-s=
erif;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10=
.0pt;font-family:&quot;New serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I thought most altern=
ator conversions were negative ground, but I may be wrong.=C2=A0 You can al=
so stick with the generator and convert to negative ground for radios and o=
ther more modern electrical appliances.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></=
u></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;New serif=
&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></=
p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;New serif&quot;;colo=
r:#1f497d">Not sure about the reference to LEDs:=C2=A0 my understanding is=
=C2=A0 that there really is no LED alternative for the dash warning lights.=
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;New serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;co=
lor:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;New serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Andrew Uprichard</span><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;New serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Jackson, Michigan</span><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;New serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"=
><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #=
e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#26282a"> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox=
.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">triumphs-bounces=
@autox.team.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>dave northrup<br><b>Sent:</b> T=
hursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> triumph list list &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] generator =
vs alternator<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">Recently picked up a 59 TR3=
 which has an alternator conversion.=C2=A0 Since the engine was separate, I=
 have no idea how well the generator works or if at all.=C2=A0 It is still =
in the engine compartment, wires connected (unlike the engine).=C2=A0 how c=
an I test it?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">=C2=A0<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetic=
a&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">Given the current availability of LED lig=
hts, and since I have no interest in installing a radio, should I try to ke=
ep the current setup (little joke there) or go back to a generator?<u></u><=
u></u></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helve=
tica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;co=
lor:#26282a">Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?=C2=A0=
 <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div><div id=3D"m_-62685987198=
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