Subject: [TR] Future Triumph?

From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 21:39:22 +0100

I repeat my comment that appeared in another forum. 

Technology to one side, given that BMW has utterly prostituted the appearance of every Rolls Royce since it took ownership of the marque, this styling exercise is an insult to the memories of Siegfried Bettmann, Colonel Holbrook, Donald Healey, Sir John Black and the Triumph name as a whole. BMW also wanted to resurrect the Riley name which it kept after ditching MG Rover and imho Riley is just as much an equal to Triumph and especially pre WW2. 

Jonmac
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From: David Brady <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 23:04:43 +0000

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I love my Triumph. It scratches the itch and satisfies all my classic car =
needs, but I have to say, my Tesla Model Y is a kick to drive. We all know =
about the quarter mile and 0-60 performance they bring. What I didn't =
anticipate is the lag free throttle response. There's no downshifting, or =
delays in the fuel map, or getting on the cam. It's now! The acceleration =
is instant. I find myself getting into trouble when I get back into an ICE.=
 I mash the throttle expecting instant acceleration but it's not there. The=
 guy is now on my bumper; whereas, with the tesla I'm way out in front. =
It's a different driving experience and very satisfying!

David Brady
'68 TR250
CD8124L

-----Original Message-----
From: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
Sent: Jul 23, 2023 6:27 PM
To: Michael Marr <[email-masked]>
Cc: Listers <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] Future Triumph?

I&rsquo;m thinking, as others have said, that EV&rsquo;s are still in the =
relative infancy. The &lsquo;boom days&rsquo; for EV&rsquo;s will come, =
IMHO, when a significant breakthrough in battery technology occurs. That is=
, when battery science allows for rapid recharge, long life and when =
cheap(er) battery-pack replacements are possible. The company that develops=
 THAT breakthrough battery tech, will revolutionize not only EV&rsquo;s but=
 many other battery-dependent devices&hellip;.
=20
Dave

On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 5:18 PM Michael Marr <[email-masked] =
(mailto:[email-masked])> wrote:
I&rsquo;m surprised we have not seen a law requiring EVs to be preceded on =
their journey by a man with a red flag&hellip;=20
Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 23, 2023, at 07:45, DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked] =
(mailto:[email-masked])> wrote:

All this EV bashing reminds me of the picture of the Model T being pulled =
out of the mud but a farmer and a team of horses and the farmer thinking =
all along "These things will never catch on."
=20
Anyone who expects a new technology to catch on with a straight line growth=
 curve is not being realistic.  There are many supply chain and =
infrastructure issues that need to be worked out and this is a chicken/egg =
relationship between these issues and EV acceptance.  Heck, in the early =
days of gas-powered cars drivers had to stop at the local dry-goods store =
and buy "cleaning solvent" to power their cars.
=20
EV's have many fewer moving parts and hence are more reliable and, except =
for the battery, are less expensive to build.  And battery technology is =
evolving as we speak.
=20
But back to the topic at hand.  This new "Triumph" resembles the TR3 in the=
 same manner that a Picasso painting resembles reality. Yeah, some of the =
elements are there but they are not coherent.  The styling does not inspire=
 me, but that is just my opinion, for what it's worth.
=20
Dave=20

=20

=20
=20

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 10:07:28 PM CDT, Michael Marr =
<[email-masked] (mailto:[email-masked])> wrote:
=20
=20
Hmmm.  Not exactly &ldquo;no go&rdquo;, or &ldquo;EVs are piling up on =
dealer lots.&rdquo;Michael Marr=20
Mobile:  630-202-0065
=20
Sent from my iPad

On Jul 22, 2023, at 18:48, dave northrup <[email-masked] =
(mailto:[email-masked])> wrote:
EV sales have peaked

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2023/05/08/ev-sales-20=
23-slowing/70188358007/

From: Michael Marr <[email-masked] (mailto:mmarr@albiontechnical=
.com)>Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2023 4:01:34 PMTo: dave northrupCc: =
ListersSubject: Re: [TR] Future Triumph?=20

Really?  What&rsquo;s your source for that little nugget?=20
Here&rsquo;s another viewpoint&hellip;
=20
Demand for electric cars is booming, with sales expected to leap 35% this =
year after a record-breaking 2022 - News - IEA (https://www.iea.=
org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35=
-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022)
iea.org (https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-=
sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022)

Michael Marr=20
Mobile:  630-202-0065
=20
Sent from my iPad

On Jul 22, 2023, at 14:52, dave northrup <[email-masked] =
(mailto:[email-masked])> wrote:
=20

Despite what the Biden administration wants, electric cars are a no go.

EVs are piling up on dealer lots as consumers are correctly rejecting them

From: Triumphs <[email-masked] (mailto:triumphs-bounces@au=
tox.team.net)> On Behalf Of TedSent: Saturday, July 22, 2023 11:15 AMTo: =
Mark Bradakis <[email-masked] (mailto:[email-masked])>Cc: Listers =
<[email-masked] (mailto:[email-masked])>Subject: Re: [TR]=
 Future Triumph?

Great to see &amp; thanks for sharing the concept's evolution from Makkina =
with BMW.

Will be interesting to see if BMW hits to the e-go button.
On Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 11:13 AM Mark Bradakis <[email-masked] =
(mailto:[email-masked])> wrote:

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just right, you might see the TR2/3 influence.  But those wheels!mjb.**  =
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<div style=3D"color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12p=
t"><p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0; line-height: 1.0;">I love my Triumph. It =
scratches the itch and satisfies all my classic car needs, but I have to =
say, my Tesla Model Y is a kick to drive. We all know about the quarter =
mile and 0-60 performance they bring. What I didn't anticipate is the lag =
free throttle response. There's no downshifting, or delays in the fuel map,=
 or getting on the cam. It's now! The acceleration is instant. I find =
myself getting into trouble when I get back into an ICE. I mash the =
throttle expecting instant acceleration but it's not there. The guy is now =
on my bumper; whereas, with the tesla I'm way out in front. It's a =
different driving experience and very satisfying!</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0; line-height: 1.0;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0; line-height: 1.0;">David Brady</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0; line-height: 1.0;">'68 TR250</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0; line-height: 1.0;">CD8124L</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0; line-height: 1.0;">&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div class=3D"elnk-inline-message-container" style=3D"border-left: 1px =
solid #aaa; box-sizing: border-box; padding: 10px 0 10px 15px; margin: =
0;">
<p>-----Original Message-----<br>From: David Friedlander &lt;forzion7@gmail=
.com&gt;<br>Sent: Jul 23, 2023 6:27 PM<br>To: Michael Marr =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Cc: Listers &lt;[email-masked].=
net&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [TR] Future Triumph?</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0; line-height: 1.0;">&nbsp;</p>
<div dir=3D"auto">I=E2=80=99m thinking, as others have said, that =
EV=E2=80=99s are still in the relative infancy. The =E2=80=98boom =
days=E2=80=99 for EV=E2=80=99s will come, IMHO, when a significant =
breakthrough in battery technology occurs. That is, when battery science =
allows for rapid recharge, long life and when cheap(er) battery-pack =
replacements are possible. The company that develops THAT breakthrough =
battery tech, will revolutionize not only EV=E2=80=99s but many other =
battery-dependent devices=E2=80=A6.</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Dave</div>
<div><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 5:18 PM =
Michael Marr &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mmarr@albiontechnical.=
com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; =
border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; =
border-left-color: #cccccc;">
<div dir=3D"auto">I=E2=80=99m surprised we have not seen a law requiring =
EVs to be preceded on their journey by a man with a red flag=E2=80=A6
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Mike<br><br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<blockquote>On Jul 23, 2023, at 07:45, DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noopener">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">All =
this EV bashing reminds me of the picture of the Model T being pulled out =
of the mud but a farmer and a team of horses and the farmer thinking all =
along "These things will never catch on."</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,=
sans-serif;">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">Anyone =
who expects a new technology to catch on with a straight line growth curve =
is not being realistic.&nbsp; There are many supply chain and =
infrastructure issues that need to be worked out and this is a chicken/egg =
relationship between these issues and EV acceptance.&nbsp; Heck, in the =
early days of gas-powered cars drivers had to stop at the local dry-goods =
store and buy "cleaning solvent" to power their cars.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,=
sans-serif;">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">EV's =
have many fewer moving parts and hence are more reliable and, except for =
the battery, are less expensive to build.&nbsp; And battery technology is =
evolving as we speak.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,=
sans-serif;">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">But =
back to the topic at hand.&nbsp; This new "Triumph" resembles the TR3 in =
the same manner that a Picasso painting resembles reality. Yeah, some of =
the elements are there but they are not coherent.&nbsp; The styling does =
not inspire me, but that is just my opinion, for what it's worth.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">
<div style=3D"font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: =
normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: normal; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,=
sans-serif; font-size-adjust: none; color: black;">
<div style=3D"font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: =
normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: normal; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,=
sans-serif; font-size-adjust: none; color: black;">
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; color: #000000; =
font-size: large;">Dave <br></span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; color: =
black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">&nbsp;</div>
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<div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; =
font-size: 13px; color: #26282a;">
<div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">On=
 Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 10:07:28 PM CDT, Michael Marr &lt;<a =
style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noopener">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,=
sans-serif;">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,=
sans-serif;">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">
<div id=3D"m_-4098356278704906929ydp522f7509yiv6716051637" =
style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">
<div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,=
sans-serif;">Hmmm.&nbsp; Not exactly =E2=80=9Cno go=E2=80=9D, or =
=E2=80=9CEVs are piling up on dealer lots.=E2=80=9D<br clear=3D"none"><br =
clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,=
sans-serif;">Michael Marr<br clear=3D"none">
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<div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,=
sans-serif;">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,=
sans-serif;">Mobile: &nbsp;630-202-0065</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,=
sans-serif;">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,=
sans-serif;">Sent from my iPad</div>
</div>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,=
sans-serif;"><br clear=3D"none">
<blockquote style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,=
sans-serif;">On Jul 22, 2023, at 18:48, dave northrup &lt;<a =
style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">dave@ra=
nteer.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote>=

</div>
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sans-serif;">
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sans-serif;">
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er" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri,Helvetica,=
sans-serif; color: #000000;">
<p style=3D"font-family: Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;">EV sales have =
peaked</p>
<p style=3D"font-family: Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"font-family: Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;"><a =
id=3D"m_-4098356278704906929ydp522f7509yiv6716051637LPlnk263632" =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;" href=3D"https://www.=
usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2023/05/08/ev-sales-2023-slowing/7=
0188358007/" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener" =
shape=3D"rect">https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2023/05=
/08/ev-sales-2023-slowing/70188358007/</a></p>
<p style=3D"font-family: Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"font-family: Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;">&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<hr style=3D"display: inline-block; width: 98%; font-family: 'Helvetica =
Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">
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dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,=
sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: #000000;"><strong style=3D"font-family: Calibri,=
sans-serif;">From:</strong> Michael Marr &lt;<a style=3D"font-family: =
Calibri,sans-serif;" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br =
clear=3D"none"><strong style=3D"font-family: Calibri,=
sans-serif;">Sent:</strong> Saturday, July 22, 2023 4:01:34 PM<br =
clear=3D"none"><strong style=3D"font-family: Calibri,=
sans-serif;">To:</strong> dave northrup<br clear=3D"none"><strong =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">Cc:</strong> Listers<br =
clear=3D"none"><strong style=3D"font-family: Calibri,=
sans-serif;">Subject:</strong> Re: [TR] Future Triumph?</span>
<div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,=
sans-serif;">&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,=
sans-serif;">Really?&nbsp; What=E2=80=99s your source for that little =
nugget?
<div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,=
sans-serif;">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,=
sans-serif;">Here=E2=80=99s another viewpoint=E2=80=A6</div>
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sans-serif;">&nbsp;</div>
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<p style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,=
sans-serif;">Despite what the Biden administration wants, electric cars are=
 a no go.</p>
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<p style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">EVs =
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,sans-serif;">From:</strong> Triumphs &lt;<a style=3D"font-family: =
'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;" href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounc=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">triumphs-bounces@auto=
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Arial,sans-serif;">To:</strong> Mark Bradakis &lt;<a style=3D"font-family: =
'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;" href=3D"mailto:mark@bradakis.=
com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br =
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'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;" href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox=
.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">[email-masked].=
net</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><strong style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica =
Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">Subject:</strong> Re: [TR] Future =
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<p style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,=
sans-serif;">Great to see &amp; thanks for sharing the concept's evolution =
from Makkina with BMW.</p>
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<p style=3D"margin-bottom: 12pt; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,=
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Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 11:13 AM Mark Bradakis &lt;<a style=3D"font-family: =
'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;" href=3D"mailto:mark@bradakis.=
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<p style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,=
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off the air <br clear=3D"none">for a few hours.&nbsp; All is back again, =
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