Subject: Re: [TR] future Triumph - EV's

From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 20:14:40 -0400

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That's right! And we all know that batteries are only a fuel tank - they
produce no power on their own except for disposable flashlight batteries.
The real question is where will the electric power come from.

Alex Thomson

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Peter
Arakelian
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2023 12:10 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [TR] future Triumph - EV's

Recent study found that when production is included, EV's, especially long
distance ones, actually have a carbon footprint greater than modern cars.
Making those batteries, at least the current ones, leaves a big footprint.
Battery tech needs to change a lot.

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style=3D'color:#1F497D'>That&#8217;s right! And we all know that =
batteries are only a fuel tank &#8211; they produce no power on their =
own except for disposable flashlight batteries. The real question is =
where will the electric power come from.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Alex =
Thomson<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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:none'> Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf =
Of </b>Peter Arakelian<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 25, 2023 12:10 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] future =
Triumph - EV's<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Recent study =
found that when production is included, EV&#8217;s, especially long =
distance ones, actually have a carbon footprint greater than modern =
cars.&nbsp; &nbsp;Making those batteries, at least the current ones, =
leaves a big footprint.&nbsp; Battery tech needs to change a =
lot.<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 12:06:57 +0000 (UTC)

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And that's a moving target.=C2=A0 EV's don't care and as more and more alte=
rnative energy sources come on line there is no need to modify the mobile f=
leet.=C2=A0 Consider it future-proofing.

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That=E2=80=99s right! And we all know that batteries are only a fuel tank =
=E2=80=93 they produce no power on their own except for disposable flashlig=
ht batteries. The real question is where will the electric power come from.

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Alex Thomson

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From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Peter =
Arakelian
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2023 12:10 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [TR] future Triumph - EV's

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Recent study found that when production is included, EV=E2=80=99s, especial=
ly long distance ones, actually have a carbon footprint greater than modern=
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s a big footprint.=C2=A0 Battery tech needs to change a lot.
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                    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 07:44:15 PM CDT, Alex &amp=
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355MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">That=E2=80=99s right! And we a=
ll know that batteries are only a fuel tank =E2=80=93 they produce no power=
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81ayiv7997233355MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p=
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an<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 25, 2023 12:10 PM<br clear=
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ayiv7997233355MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp366d581ayiv7997233355Mso=
Normal">Recent study found that when production is included, EV=E2=80=99s, =
especially long distance ones, actually have a carbon footprint greater tha=
n modern cars.&nbsp; &nbsp;Making those batteries, at least the current one=
s, leaves a big footprint.&nbsp; Battery tech needs to change a lot.</p></d=
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 16:37:34 -0400

"Making those batteries, at least the current ones, leaves a big footprint."

Now that there are batteries to recycle, and the process exists to
recycle them, it may be time to revisit the calculation that gave that
result.

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> Recent study found that when production is included, EV’s, especially long distance ones, actually have a carbon footprint greater than modern cars.   Making those batteries, at least the current ones, leaves a big footprint.  Battery tech needs to change a lot.
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