Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A overdrive column switch wire routing?

From: auprichard uprichard.net <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2023 17:14:37 +0000

Hey, Tony:  what do I tell ya?  It's not for the faint-hearted!

It is tight, but they will fit.  The long narrow cover you describe should be removed first and then replaced after you have fed all the wires through.

Andrew

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Subject: [TR] TR4A overdrive column switch wire routing?

I am looking for advice, even photos, of how to route the wires from an overdrive switch (mounts to the left hand escutcheon) on my left hand drive TR4A

I am going to be adding an overdrive to my transmission this fall, and I am trying to get the “easy stuff” done ahead of time.  

As I look at the column with the original escutcheon halves removed, I do not see a good way to get the wires into the column “head” to join the other switch wires.   There does not seem to be much room to feed them in without pinching against the metal of the column, but if it goes forward of the turn signal switch.   And if the wires pass rearward of that switch then they could interfere with the self-cancelling mechanism.

And then once the wires are in there, how do they get fed down and out the column to go into that long narrow cover on the bottom of the column along with the other wires

And those wires already there seem to completely FILL the available space inside that cover!

How do I free up that cover to get
It loose enough to pass the OD wires?

So many questions!!!  Sorry!!

-Tony

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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2023 20:24:27 +0000 (UTC)

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It's the same sad story on a TR6.=C2=A0 They get routed with the turn signa=
l wires.=C2=A0 And the trough isn't big enough.=C2=A0 I fought thia with my=
 TR6 and it took me an inordinant amount of time.=C2=A0=C2=A0
I'd categorize this as one of those not so easy things.=C2=A0 A partial dis=
assembly of the steering column is in the works.
Dave

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  On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 11:41, Anthony Rhodes<[email-masked]> wrote: =
  I am looking for advice, even photos, of how to route the wires from an o=
verdrive switch (mounts to the left hand escutcheon) on my left hand drive =
TR4A

I am going to be adding an overdrive to my transmission this fall, and I am=
 trying to get the =E2=80=9Ceasy stuff=E2=80=9D done ahead of time.=C2=A0=
=20

As I look at the column with the original escutcheon halves removed, I do n=
ot see a good way to get the wires into the column =E2=80=9Chead=E2=80=9D t=
o join the other switch wires.=C2=A0 There does not seem to be much room to=
 feed them in without pinching against the metal of the column, but if it g=
oes forward of the turn signal switch.=C2=A0 And if the wires pass rearward=
 of that switch then they could interfere with the self-cancelling mechanis=
m.

And then once the wires are in there, how do they get fed down and out the =
column to go into that long narrow cover on the bottom of the column along =
with the other wires

And those wires already there seem to completely FILL the available space i=
nside that cover!

So many questions!!!=C2=A0 Sorry!!

-Tony

Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs=C2=A0 http://www.team.net/a=
rchive

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It's the same sad story on a TR6.&nbsp; They get routed with the turn signa=
l wires.&nbsp; And the trough isn't big enough.&nbsp; I fought thia with my=
 TR6 and it took me an inordinant amount of time.&nbsp;&nbsp;<div><br></div=
><div>I'd categorize this as one of those not so easy things.&nbsp; A parti=
al disassembly of the steering column is in the works.</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Dave<br><br><div id=3D"ymail_android_signature"><a id=3D"ymail_android=
_signature_link" href=3D"https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=3Dco=
m.aol.mobile.aolapp">Sent from AOL on Android</a></div> <br> <blockquote st=
yle=3D"margin: 0 0 20px 0;"> <div style=3D"font-family:Roboto, sans-serif; =
color:#6D00F6;"> <div>On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 11:41, Anthony Rhodes</div><di=
v>&lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</div> </div> <div style=3D"padding: 10=
px 0 0 20px; margin: 10px 0 0 0; border-left: 1px solid #6D00F6;"> <div dir=
=3D"ltr">I am looking for advice, even photos, of how to route the wires fr=
om an overdrive switch (mounts to the left hand escutcheon) on my left hand=
 drive TR4A<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I am going=
 to be adding an overdrive to my transmission this fall, and I am trying to=
 get the =E2=80=9Ceasy stuff=E2=80=9D done ahead of time.&nbsp; <br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">As I look at the column with the=
 original escutcheon halves removed, I do not see a good way to get the wir=
es into the column =E2=80=9Chead=E2=80=9D to join the other switch wires.&n=
bsp;  There does not seem to be much room to feed them in without pinching =
against the metal of the column, but if it goes forward of the turn signal =
switch.&nbsp;  And if the wires pass rearward of that switch then they coul=
d interfere with the self-cancelling mechanism.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">And then once the wires are in there, how do they=
 get fed down and out the column to go into that long narrow cover on the b=
ottom of the column along with the other wires<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr">And those wires already there seem to completely F=
ILL the available space inside that cover!<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">How do I free up that cover to get<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">It loose enough to pass the OD wires?<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr">So many questions!!!&nbsp; Sorry!!<br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">-Tony<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><=
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From: <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2023 18:14:47 -0400

Tony I agree with Andrew, it's not easy but they can be bundled with the other wires and all clamped together in that cable tray. I've done it. An option is to buy some new wire in the correct colors from British Wiring which seem to be a smaller overall dia. And replace the wires supplied with the new OD switch. They sell wire by the foot in the correct colors.
JVV

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Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2023 1:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A overdrive column switch wire routing?

Andrew

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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2023 19:42:55 -0400

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I didn't know any better, so I just stuck min under the cover and it worked
fine. 75 TR6.

On Sat, Jul 1, 2023, 18:30 <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Tony I agree with Andrew, it's not easy but they can be bundled with the
> other wires and all clamped together in that cable tray. I've done it. An
> option is to buy some new wire in the correct colors from British Wiring
> which seem to be a smaller overall dia. And replace the wires supplied wi=
th
> the new OD switch. They sell wire by the foot in the correct colors.
> JVV
>
> It is tight, but they will fit.  The long narrow cover you describe shoul=
d
> be removed first and then replaced after you have fed all the wires throu=
gh.
> I am looking for advice, even photos, of how to route the wires from an
> overdrive switch (mounts to the left hand escutcheon) on my left hand dri=
ve
> TR4A
>
> I am going to be adding an overdrive to my transmission this fall, and I
> am trying to get the =E2=80=9Ceasy stuff=E2=80=9D done ahead of time.
>
> As I look at the column with the original escutcheon halves removed, I do
> not see a good way to get the wires into the column =E2=80=9Chead=E2=80=
=9D to join the
> other switch wires.   There does not seem to be much room to feed them in
> without pinching against the metal of the column, but if it goes forward =
of
> the turn signal switch.   And if the wires pass rearward of that switch
> then they could interfere with the self-cancelling mechanism.
>
> And then once the wires are in there, how do they get fed down and out th=
e
> column to go into that long narrow cover on the bottom of the column alon=
g
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<div dir=3D"auto">I didn&#39;t know any better, so I just stuck min under t=
he cover and it worked fine. 75 TR6.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 1, 2023, 18:30  &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Tony I agree with Andrew, it&#39;s not =
easy but they can be bundled with the other wires and all clamped together =
in that cable tray. I&#39;ve done it. An option is to buy some new wire in =
the correct colors from British Wiring which seem to be a smaller overall d=
ia. And replace the wires supplied with the new OD switch. They sell wire b=
y the foot in the correct colors.<br>
JVV<br>
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Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A overdrive column switch wire routing?<br>
<br>
Hey, Tony:=C2=A0 what do I tell ya?=C2=A0 It&#39;s not for the faint-hearte=
d!<br>
<br>
It is tight, but they will fit.=C2=A0 The long narrow cover you describe sh=
ould be removed first and then replaced after you have fed all the wires th=
rough.<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
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To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer">[email-masked]</a><br>
Subject: [TR] TR4A overdrive column switch wire routing?<br>
<br>
I am looking for advice, even photos, of how to route the wires from an ove=
rdrive switch (mounts to the left hand escutcheon) on my left hand drive TR=
4A<br>
<br>
I am going to be adding an overdrive to my transmission this fall, and I am=
 trying to get the =E2=80=9Ceasy stuff=E2=80=9D done ahead of time.=C2=A0 <=
br>
<br>
As I look at the column with the original escutcheon halves removed, I do n=
ot see a good way to get the wires into the column =E2=80=9Chead=E2=80=9D t=
o join the other switch wires.=C2=A0 =C2=A0There does not seem to be much r=
oom to feed them in without pinching against the metal of the column, but i=
f it goes forward of the turn signal switch.=C2=A0 =C2=A0And if the wires p=
ass rearward of that switch then they could interfere with the self-cancell=
ing mechanism.<br>
<br>
And then once the wires are in there, how do they get fed down and out the =
column to go into that long narrow cover on the bottom of the column along =
with the other wires<br>
<br>
And those wires already there seem to completely FILL the available space i=
nside that cover!<br>
<br>
How do I free up that cover to get<br>
It loose enough to pass the OD wires?<br>
<br>
So many questions!!!=C2=A0 Sorry!!<br>
<br>
-Tony<br>
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From: <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2023 20:42:37 -0400

Anthony:
Having just restored my 4A steering column, I am very familiar with the process. It is not a quick job to do it right and not ruin parts.

1. Undo bolt on the wire cover that surrounds the steering column.  You are going to have to remover the cover towards firewall.
2. Undo the bolts to loosen or remover lower steering column locking bracket attached right behind the dash.  Two pieces that are silver. 
3. Loosen the support stays attached to that bracket. 
4.  This should loosen the steering column and provide some "play" so you can get the wire cover through the dash.
5.  Be careful loosening the wire cover end that goes around the steering cover under the dash.  You will have to gently pry the two ends apart to loosen it around the steering column.  
6. with play available route the OD switch harness through steering column, out underneath the column and through the dash with the other wires.
7. Then put the wire cover back on and slide through the dash opening into the steeing column opening where the wires all come out. 
It takes a little time but thatr's it.
Jim   

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Subject: [TR] TR4A overdrive column switch wire routing?

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