Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator

From: auprichard uprichard.net <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 14:18:20 +0000

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I would take it to a local shop and have them test it - but that's just me.

An alternator is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers on a=
t the same time), but it will require different pulleys if it is a narrow b=
elt.

I thought most alternator conversions were negative ground, but I may be wr=
ong.  You can also stick with the generator and convert to negative ground =
for radios and other more modern electrical appliances.

Not sure about the reference to LEDs:  my understanding is  that there real=
ly is no LED alternative for the dash warning lights.

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM
To: triumph list list <[email-masked]>
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator

Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.  Since the =
engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator works or if at a=
ll.  It is still in the engine compartment, wires connected (unlike the eng=
ine).  how can I test it?

Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interest =
in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (little joke =
there) or go back to a generator?

Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
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t;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D">An alternator is a significant upgrade (you can hav=
e lights and wipers on at the same time), but it will require different pul=
leys if it is a narrow belt.&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D">I thought most alternator conversions were negative=
 ground, but I may be wrong.&nbsp; You can also stick with the generator an=
d convert to negative ground for radios and other more
 modern electrical appliances.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D">Not sure about the reference to LEDs:&nbsp; my unde=
rstanding is&nbsp; that there really is no LED alternative for the dash war=
ning lights.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D">Andrew Uprichard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D">Jackson, Michigan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;[email-masked]=
m.net&gt; <b>On Behalf Of
</b>dave northrup<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> triumph list list &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [TR] generator vs alternator<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator =
conversion.&nbsp; Since the engine was separate, I have no idea how well th=
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, wires connected (unlike the engine).&nbsp; how
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From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 11:57:04 -0400

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Check out Dan Master's site - http://www.advanceautowire.com   They have
schematics available there. Also, look at Litezupp.   https://litezupp.com
- they address some of the issues with LED's including dashboard indicators.
Polarity, color and how the bulb is oriented are issues that are addressed. 

Alex Thomson

'73 TR6

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of dave
northrup
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM
To: triumph list list
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator

Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.  Since the
engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator works or if at
all.  It is still in the engine compartment, wires connected (unlike the
engine).  how can I test it?

Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interest
in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (little joke
there) or go back to a generator?

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Check out Dan Master&#8217;s site - <a =
href=3D"http://www.advanceautowire.com">http://www.advanceautowire.com</a=
> &nbsp;&nbsp;They have schematics available there. Also, look at =
Litezupp.&nbsp; &nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://litezupp.com">https://litezupp.com</a>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&#8211; they address some of the issues with LED&#8217;s =
including dashboard indicators. Polarity, color and how the bulb is =
oriented are issues that are addressed. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Alex =
Thomson<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&#8217;73 TR6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
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</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>dave northrup<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 =
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alternator<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Recently =
picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.&nbsp; Since the =
engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator works or if =
at all.&nbsp; It is still in the engine compartment, wires connected =
(unlike the engine).&nbsp; how can I test it?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Given the =
current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interest in =
installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (little joke =
there) or go back to a generator?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Are there =
wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?&nbsp; =
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From: bill beecher <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 12:07:19 -0500

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">This MGA guy has all the testing steps for y=
our electricals and more, I have found many helpful hints on his site. &nbsp=
;<a href=3D"http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/">http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/</a><div><=
br></div><div>Bill<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=9CShoot low sheriff, she=E2=
=80=99s riding a shetland=E2=80=9D =E2=80=A6B.Wills</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><b=
r>On Jul 6, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Alex &amp; Janet Thomson &lt;aljlthomson@char=
ter.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D=
"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii"><meta name=3D"Gener=
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a> &nbsp;&nbsp;They have schematics available there. Also, look at Litezupp.=
&nbsp; &nbsp;<a href=3D"https://litezupp.com">https://litezupp.com</a>&nbsp;=
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span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Alex Thomson<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
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n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
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><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-s=
erif&quot;"> Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf O=
f </b>dave northrup<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM<br><b>To:=
</b> triumph list list<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] generator vs alternator<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conve=
rsion.&nbsp; Since the engine was separate, I have no idea how well the gene=
rator works or if at all.&nbsp; It is still in the engine compartment, wires=
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ass=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Given the curr=
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k to a generator?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generat=
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From: dave northrup <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 22:52:04 +0000

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Here is the link:  https://web.archive.org/web/20130726062146/https://www.v=
tr.org/maintain/alternator/gm-tr2-3.shtml<https://web.archive.org/web/20130=
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From: Chris Simo <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2023 20:24:36 -0400

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I like my GM alternator. Been running for 10 years now on my TR4. TR2 is
still on a genny.

 I gutted an old voltage regulator and did all the odd wire routing inside.
So, no harness chopping.  Downside, ammeter only shows load, not charging.
But I can see the ammeter changes with turn signals and brake lights, so
that's a bit of comfort.

It aligns with my goal that all changes are reversible for the next
caretaker. (Along with the 3 small crates of parts to bring it back to
original...)

Cheers,
Chris

On Thu, Jul 6, 2023, 7:11 PM dave northrup <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Here is the link:
> https://web.archive.org/web/20130726062146/https://www.vtr.org/maintain/alternator/gm-tr2-3.shtml
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<div dir=3D"auto">I like my GM alternator. Been running for 10 years now on=
 my TR4. TR2 is still on a genny.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"au=
to">=C2=A0I gutted an old voltage regulator and did all the odd wire routin=
g inside. So, no harness chopping.=C2=A0 Downside, ammeter only shows load,=
 not charging.=C2=A0 But I can see the ammeter changes with turn signals an=
d brake lights, so that&#39;s a bit of comfort.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto=
"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">It aligns with my goal that all changes are r=
eversible for the next caretaker. (Along with the 3 small crates of parts t=
o bring it back to original...)</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">Cheers,</div><div dir=3D"auto">Chris</div></div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 6, 2023, 7:=
11 PM dave northrup &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Here is the link:=C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://web.archi=
ve.org/web/20130726062146/https:/www.vtr.org/maintain/alternator/gm-tr2-3.s=
html" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">
https://web.archive.org/web/20130726062146/https://www.vtr.org/maintain/alt=
ernator/gm-tr2-3.shtml</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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From: dave northrup <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 14:33:37 +0000

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https://litezupp.com/ can replace every bulb in almost every car

From: auprichard uprichard.net <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM
To: dave northrup <[email-masked]>; triumph list list <[email-masked]=
m.net>
Subject: RE: generator vs alternator

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

ox.team.net>> On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM
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Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator

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om/</a> can replace every bulb in almost every car<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> auprichard uprichard.net &lt;auprichard=
@uprichard.net&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> dave northrup &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; triumph list list &lt;tr=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: generator vs alternator<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D">I would take it to a local shop and have them test =
it &#8211; but that&#8217;s just me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D">An alternator is a significant upgrade (you can hav=
e lights and wipers on at the same time), but it will require different pul=
leys if it is a narrow belt.&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D">I thought most alternator conversions were negative=
 ground, but I may be wrong.&nbsp; You can also stick with the generator an=
d convert to negative ground for radios and other more
 modern electrical appliances.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D">Not sure about the reference to LEDs:&nbsp; my unde=
rstanding is&nbsp; that there really is no LED alternative for the dash war=
ning lights.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D">Andrew Uprichard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D">Jackson, Michigan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>dave northrup<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> triumph list list &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>

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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 15:08:18 +0000

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All I can say is I just replaced all the bulbs in my latest TR3 with LEDs f=
rom LiteZupp but Mike said I'd have to stick with the original bulbs for th=
e warning lamps.

From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM
To: triumph list list <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator

uprichard.net>>

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

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t;,serif;color:#1F497D">All I can say is I just replaced all the bulbs in m=
y latest TR3 with LEDs from LiteZupp but Mike said I&#8217;d have to stick =
with the original bulbs for the warning lamps.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] generator vs alternator<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> auprichard uprichard.net &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
<b>To:</b> dave northrup &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">dave@rante=
er.com</a>&gt;; triumph list list &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>

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That is probably due to the fact that the flasher unit requires a minimum c=
urrent to operate.=C2=A0 Since this is a three-terminal unit with the third=
 wire for the dash indicator switching over to a two-terminal electronic fl=
asher will not work.=C2=A0 And the electronic units may be Neg-Ground only.
Dave=20

=20

    On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:06:19 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net =
<[email-masked]> wrote: =20
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=20
All I can say is I just replaced all the bulbs in my latest TR3 with LEDs f=
rom LiteZupp but Mike said I=E2=80=99d have to stick with the original bulb=
s for the warning lamps.
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Ofdave northrup
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM
To: triumph list list <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
=20
 =C2=A0
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https://litezupp.com/ can replace every bulb in almost every car
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 =C2=A0
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From: auprichard uprichard.net <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM
To: dave northrup <[email-masked]>; triumph list list <[email-masked]=
m.net>
Subject: RE: generator vs alternator
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
I would take it to a local shop and have them test it =E2=80=93 but that=E2=
=80=99s just me.
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
An alternator is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers on a=
t the same time), but it will require different pulleys if it is a narrow b=
elt.=C2=A0
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
I thought most alternator conversions were negative ground, but I may be wr=
ong.=C2=A0 You can also stick with the generator and convert to negative gr=
ound for radios and other more modern electrical appliances.
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
Not sure about the reference to LEDs:=C2=A0 my understanding is=C2=A0 that =
there really is no LED alternative for the dash warning lights.
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
Andrew Uprichard
=20
Jackson, Michigan
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
From: Triumphs <[email-masked]>On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM
To: triumph list list <[email-masked]>
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.=C2=A0 Since=
 the engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator works or if=
 at all.=C2=A0 It is still in the engine compartment, wires connected (unli=
ke the engine).=C2=A0 how can I test it?
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 =C2=A0
=20
Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interest =
in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (little joke =
there) or go back to a generator?
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Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?=C2=A0=20
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=3D"font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">That is probably due to the fact that the fl=
asher unit requires a minimum current to operate.&nbsp; Since this is a thr=
ee-terminal unit with the third wire for the dash indicator switching over =
to a two-terminal electronic flasher will not work.&nbsp; And the electroni=
c units may be Neg-Ground only.</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"ydp9a42f8=
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<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;">All I can say is I just replaced all the bulbs in =
my latest TR3 with LEDs from LiteZupp but Mike said I=E2=80=99d have to sti=
ck with the original bulbs for the warning lamps.</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<div id=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768yqt77354" class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429=
768yqt2711242574"><div>
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0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;tr=
[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of
</b>dave northrup<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> triumph list list &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"no=
ne">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] generator vs alternator</p>=20
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</div>
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"ht=
tps://litezupp.com/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">https://litezupp.co=
m/</a> can replace every bulb in almost every car</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
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0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> auprichard upri=
chard.net &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" re=
l=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> dave northrup &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.=
com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; triumph l=
ist list &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=
=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D=
"none">
<b>Subject:</b> RE: generator vs alternator</p>=20
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;">I would take it to a local shop and have them test=
 it =E2=80=93 but that=E2=80=99s just me.</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;">An alternator is a significant upgrade (you can ha=
ve lights and wipers on at the same time), but it will require different pu=
lleys if it is a narrow belt.&nbsp;
</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;">I thought most alternator conversions were negativ=
e ground, but I may be wrong.&nbsp; You can also stick with the generator a=
nd convert to negative ground for radios and other more
 modern electrical appliances.</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;">Not sure about the reference to LEDs:&nbsp; my und=
erstanding is&nbsp; that there really is no LED alternative for the dash wa=
rning lights.</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;">Andrew Uprichard</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;">Jackson, Michigan</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a=
 shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofo=
llow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>dave northrup<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> triumph list list &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:triumphs@=
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<b>Subject:</b> [TR] generator vs alternator</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal">Recently picked up a 59 TR3 =
which has an alternator conversion.&nbsp; Since the engine was separate, I =
have no idea how well the generator works or if at all.&nbsp; It is still i=
n the engine compartment, wires connected (unlike the engine).&nbsp; how
 can I test it?</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal">Given the current availabili=
ty of LED lights, and since I have no interest in installing a radio, shoul=
d I try to keep the current setup (little joke there) or go back to a gener=
ator?</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal">Are there wiring diagrams fo=
r this car with a generator?&nbsp;=20
</p></div>=20
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Andrew,

Correct, an electronic three spade flasher works for having =
LED=E2=80=99s for turn signals and also the turn indicator. =20

=20

A caveat though to people looking for dash LED=E2=80=99s: there are some =
German made LED-s that have an al-u-min-e-um heat sink between the screw =
base and the lens.  It is the same height as the spring holding tabs on =
the metal socket, and when inserted into the insulated two wire style =
indicator lamp holder socket and pushed into the instrument socket (six =
of them), they short out one wire to ground.  Beware.  Always get the =
lower wattage non-heatsink style as they are plenty bright.  The only =
ones that does not matter are the instrument lighting circuit (Red with =
white tracer) because they use the instrument case as the ground path to =
the black wire screwed onto the instrument mounting post.

=20

A dimmable 12VDC LED works for the IGN indicator, have not found one of =
those in a screw in E-10 base yet so still using an incandescent for the =
IGN indicator.

=20

And if your instrument light plastic spring loaded socket is turning to =
cheese, we have some 3D printed solutions (see the Triumph Experience 3D =
printing forum) to easily repair the OE instrument sockets.=20

=20

So here is a challenge for the group I have not taken any time to look =
into as of yet: =20

=20

My TR250 dash green turn indicator flashes with the left turn but not =
the right turn.  All turn signals, LED front and rear signals function =
correctly.  The only issue is the green turn signal indicator in the =
gauge does not flash for right turns.  The electronic flasher unit has a =
good audible synthesized =E2=80=9Cclicking=E2=80=9D when the turn =
signals are active both left and right turns.

=20

Not yet ruled out some issue from the PO/DPM, or a ground wire I missed =
inside the harness when repairing a burnt Brown w/White wire on the =
harness.

=20

Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage

=20

From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of auprichard =
uprichard.net
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 1:25 PM
To: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>; dave northrup <[email-masked]>; =
triumph list list <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator

=20

OK, I was getting muddled between my TR250 which has numerous warning =
lamps and the TR3 which obviously only has two.

=20

It is possible to get an LED for the flasher, as long as you get an =
LED-compatible flasher (which I did from LiteZupp).

=20

But there was no alternative for the ignition lamp.

=20

Andrew

=20

Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 12:52 PM
auprichard uprichard.net <[email-masked] =
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator

=20

That is probably due to the fact that the flasher unit requires a =
minimum current to operate.  Since this is a three-terminal unit with =
the third wire for the dash indicator switching over to a two-terminal =
electronic flasher will not work.  And the electronic units may be =
Neg-Ground only.

=20

Dave=20

=20

=20

=20

=20

=20

=20

All I can say is I just replaced all the bulbs in my latest TR3 with =
LEDs from LiteZupp but Mike said I=E2=80=99d have to stick with the =
original bulbs for the warning lamps.

=20

From: Triumphs <[email-masked] =
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM
To: triumph list list <[email-masked] =
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator

=20

=20

=20

From: auprichard uprichard.net <[email-masked] =
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM
Subject: RE: generator vs alternator

=20

I would take it to a local shop and have them test it =E2=80=93 but =
that=E2=80=99s just me.

=20

An alternator is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers =
on at the same time), but it will require different pulleys if it is a =
narrow belt. =20

=20

I thought most alternator conversions were negative ground, but I may be =
wrong.  You can also stick with the generator and convert to negative =
ground for radios and other more modern electrical appliances.

=20

Not sure about the reference to LEDs:  my understanding is  that there =
really is no LED alternative for the dash warning lights.

=20

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

=20

From: Triumphs <[email-masked] =
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM
To: triumph list list <[email-masked] =
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator

=20

Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.  Since =
the engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator works or =
if at all.  It is still in the engine compartment, wires connected =
(unlike the engine).  how can I test it?

=20

Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no =
interest in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup =
(little joke there) or go back to a generator?

=20

Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator? =20

Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs  =

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Andrew,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Correct, an electronic three spade flasher works for =
having LED=E2=80=99s for turn signals and also the turn indicator.=C2=A0 =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>A caveat though to people looking for dash =
LED=E2=80=99s: there are some German made LED-s that have an =
al-u-min-e-um heat sink between the screw base and the lens.=C2=A0 It is =
the same height as the spring holding tabs on the metal socket, and when =
inserted into the insulated two wire style indicator lamp holder socket =
and pushed into the instrument socket (six of them), they short out one =
wire to ground.=C2=A0 Beware.=C2=A0 Always get the lower wattage =
non-heatsink style as they are plenty bright.=C2=A0 The only ones that =
does not matter are the instrument lighting circuit (Red with white =
tracer) because they use the instrument case as the ground path to the =
black wire screwed onto the instrument mounting post.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>A dimmable =
12VDC LED works for the IGN indicator, have not found one of those in a =
screw in E-10 base yet so still using an incandescent for the IGN =
indicator.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>And if your instrument light plastic spring loaded =
socket is turning to cheese, we have some 3D printed solutions (see the =
Triumph Experience 3D printing forum) to easily repair the OE instrument =
sockets. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>So here is a challenge for the group I have not taken =
any time to look into as of yet:=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>My TR250 =
dash green turn indicator flashes with the left turn but not the right =
turn.=C2=A0 All turn signals, LED front and rear signals function =
correctly.=C2=A0 The only issue is the green turn signal indicator in =
the gauge does not flash for right turns.=C2=A0 The electronic flasher =
unit has a good audible synthesized =E2=80=9Cclicking=E2=80=9D when the =
turn signals are active both left and right turns.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Not yet =
ruled out some issue from the PO/DPM, or a ground wire I missed inside =
the harness when repairing a burnt Brown w/White wire on the =
harness.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Triumphs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>auprichard =
uprichard.net<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 8, 2023 1:25 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> DAVID MASSEY &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; dave northrup =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; triumph list list =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] generator vs =
alternator<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>OK, I was =
getting muddled between my TR250 which has numerous warning lamps and =
the TR3 which obviously only has two.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>It is possible to get an LED for the =
flasher, as long as you get an LED-compatible flasher (which I did from =
LiteZupp).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>But there was no alternative for the =
ignition lamp.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 8, 2023 12:52 PM<br><b>To:</b> dave =
northrup &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; triumph list =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; =
auprichard uprichard.net &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] generator vs =
alternator<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>That is =
probably due to the fact that the flasher unit requires a minimum =
current to operate.&nbsp; Since this is a three-terminal unit with the =
third wire for the dash indicator switching over to a two-terminal =
electronic flasher will not work.&nbsp; And the electronic units may be =
Neg-Ground only.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dav=
e </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"ydpb20e27b0yahoo_quoted_9772539360"><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:06:19 AM CDT, auprichard =
uprichard.net &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
id=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768><div><div><p =
class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New serif";color:#1F497D'>All I =
can say is I just replaced all the bulbs in my latest TR3 with LEDs from =
LiteZupp but Mike said I=E2=80=99d have to stick with the original bulbs =
for the warning lamps.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
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style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> Triumphs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
am.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>dave northrup<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM<br><b>To:</b> triumph list list &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<b=
r><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] generator vs =
alternator<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><a href=3D"https://litezupp.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">https://litezupp.com/</a> can replace every bulb in =
almost every car<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> auprichard uprichard.net &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> =
Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> dave northrup &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; triumph list list &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: =
generator vs alternator<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New serif";color:#1F497D'>I would =
take it to a local shop and have them test it =E2=80=93 but =
that=E2=80=99s just me.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New serif";color:#1F497D'>An =
alternator is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers on =
at the same time), but it will require different pulleys if it is a =
narrow belt.&nbsp; </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New serif";color:#1F497D'>I =
thought most alternator conversions were negative ground, but I may be =
wrong.&nbsp; You can also stick with the generator and convert to =
negative ground for radios and other more modern electrical =
appliances.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New serif";color:#1F497D'>Not =
sure about the reference to LEDs:&nbsp; my understanding is&nbsp; that =
there really is no LED alternative for the dash warning =
lights.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New serif";color:#1F497D'>Andrew =
Uprichard</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif";color:#1F497D'>Jackson, Michigan</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid =
#E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p =
class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf =
Of </b>dave northrup<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> triumph list list &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> =
[TR] generator vs alternator<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.&nbsp; =
Since the engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator =
works or if at all.&nbsp; It is still in the engine compartment, wires =
connected (unlike the engine).&nbsp; how can I test =
it?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no =
interest in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup =
(little joke there) or go back to a generator?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div =
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You an always rewire that part of the car to be compatible with later model=
s.=C2=A0 But if you are looking for a drop-in replacement they may not be a=
vailable.
It all depends on how original you want to keep the car and for what purpos=
es.=C2=A0 I kept my TR3 bone-stock original for concours purposes but my TR=
6 and TR8 are significantly modified.=C2=A0 It's all part of the hobby, aft=
er all.

Dave=20

=20

    On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 02:24:38 PM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net =
<[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
=20
OK, I was getting muddled between my TR250 which has numerous warning lamps=
 and the TR3 which obviously only has two.
=20
 =C2=A0
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It is possible to get an LED for the flasher, as long as you get an LED-com=
patible flasher (which I did from LiteZupp).
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
But there was no alternative for the ignition lamp.
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
Andrew
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 12:52 PM
To: dave northrup <[email-masked]>; triumph list list <[email-masked]=
m.net>; auprichard uprichard.net <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
That is probably due to the fact that the flasher unit requires a minimum c=
urrent to operate.=C2=A0 Since this is a three-terminal unit with the third=
 wire for the dash indicator switching over to a two-terminal electronic fl=
asher will not work.=C2=A0 And the electronic units may be Neg-Ground only.
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
Dave
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
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=20
On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:06:19 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net <aup=
[email-masked]> wrote:
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
All I can say is I just replaced all the bulbs in my latest TR3 with LEDs f=
rom LiteZupp but Mike said I=E2=80=99d have to stick with the original bulb=
s for the warning lamps.
=20
=C2=A0
=20
From: Triumphs <[email-masked]>On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM
To: triumph list list <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
=20
=C2=A0
=20
https://litezupp.com/ can replace every bulb in almost every car
=20
=C2=A0
=20
=C2=A0
=20
From: auprichard uprichard.net <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM
To: dave northrup <[email-masked]>; triumph list list <[email-masked]=
m.net>
Subject: RE: generator vs alternator
=20
=C2=A0
=20
I would take it to a local shop and have them test it =E2=80=93 but that=E2=
=80=99s just me.
=20
=C2=A0
=20
An alternator is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers on a=
t the same time), but it will require different pulleys if it is a narrow b=
elt.=C2=A0=20
=20
=C2=A0
=20
I thought most alternator conversions were negative ground, but I may be wr=
ong.=C2=A0 You can also stick with the generator and convert to negative gr=
ound for radios and other more modern electrical appliances.
=20
=C2=A0
=20
Not sure about the reference to LEDs:=C2=A0 my understanding is=C2=A0 that =
there really is no LED alternative for the dash warning lights.
=20
=C2=A0
=20
Andrew Uprichard
=20
Jackson, Michigan
=20
=C2=A0
=20
From: Triumphs <[email-masked]>On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM
To: triumph list list <[email-masked]>
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator
=20
=C2=A0
=20
Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.=C2=A0 Since=
 the engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator works or if=
 at all.=C2=A0 It is still in the engine compartment, wires connected (unli=
ke the engine).=C2=A0 how can I test it?
=20
=C2=A0
=20
Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interest =
in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (little joke =
there) or go back to a generator?
=20
=C2=A0
=20
Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?=C2=A0
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Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs=C2=A0http://www.team.net/ar=
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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydpd10aa738yahoo-style-wrap" style=
=3D"font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">You an always rewire that part of the car to=
 be compatible with later models.&nbsp; But if you are looking for a drop-i=
n replacement they may not be available.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">It all depends =
on how original you want to keep the car and for what purposes.&nbsp; I kep=
t my TR3 bone-stock original for concours purposes but my TR6 and TR8 are s=
ignificantly modified.&nbsp; It's all part of the hobby, after all.<br></di=
v><div><br></div><div class=3D"ydpd10aa738signature"><div style=3D"color: b=
lack; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-s=
ize: 12pt; line-height: normal; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size-adjust: none;"><div style=3D"color: black; font-style: normal; fo=
nt-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: norm=
al; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size-adjust: none;"><di=
v><font size=3D"4">Dave <br></font></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"><br></span></div><br></div></div></=
div></div>
        <div><br></div><div><br></div>
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15cf9cyahoo_quoted">
            <div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, s=
ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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                <div>
                    On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 02:24:38 PM CDT, auprichar=
d uprichard.net &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548"><div>
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<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;">OK, I was getting muddled between my TR250 which h=
as numerous warning lamps and the TR3 which obviously only has two.</span><=
/p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;">It is possible to get an LED for the flasher, as l=
ong as you get an LED-compatible flasher (which I did from LiteZupp).</span=
></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;">But there was no alternative for the ignition lamp=
.</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;">Andrew</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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548yqt5286032268"><div>
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order-style: solid none none; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt=
 0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> DAVID MASSEY &l=
t;[email-masked]&gt; <br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 8, 2023 12:52 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> dave northrup &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; triumph list list &lt;tr=
[email-masked]&gt;; auprichard uprichard.net &lt;auprichard@uprichar=
d.net&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] generator vs alternator</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
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<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">That is probably due to the fact that the flas=
her unit requires a minimum current to operate.&nbsp; Since this is a three=
-terminal unit with the third wire for the dash indicator
 switching over to a two-terminal electronic flasher will not work.&nbsp; A=
nd the electronic units may be Neg-Ground only.</span></p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.=
5pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Dave
</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"=
></span></p>=20
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
</div>
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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</div>
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<div>
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:=
06:19 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">auprichard@up=
richard.net</a>&gt; wrote:
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;">All I can say=
 is I just replaced all the bulbs in my latest TR3 with LEDs from LiteZupp =
but Mike said I=E2=80=99d have to stick with the original
 bulbs for the warning lamps.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;">&nbsp;</span>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></sp=
an></p>=20
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span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">From:=
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26=
282A;"> Triumphs &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@auto=
x.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked].=
net</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>dave northrup<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> triumph list list &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:triumphs@=
autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] generator vs alternator</span></p>=20
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">&nbsp;</=
span></p>=20
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"><a shape=
=3D"rect" href=3D"https://litezupp.com/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"=
>https://litezupp.com/</a> can replace every bulb in almost every car</span=
></p>=20
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">&nbsp;</=
span></p>=20
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">&nbsp;</=
span></p>=20
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span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">From:=
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26=
282A;"> auprichard uprichard.net &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:aupri=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">auprichard@uprichar=
d.net</a>&gt;
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> dave northrup &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.=
com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; triumph l=
ist list &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=
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<b>Subject:</b> RE: generator vs alternator</span></p>=20
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">&nbsp;</=
span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;">I would take =
it to a local shop and have them test it =E2=80=93 but that=E2=80=99s just =
me.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#262=
82A;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;">&nbsp;</span>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></sp=
an></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;">An alternator=
 is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers on at the same ti=
me), but it will require different pulleys if it
 is a narrow belt.&nbsp; </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family=
:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;">&nbsp;</span>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></sp=
an></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;">I thought mos=
t alternator conversions were negative ground, but I may be wrong.&nbsp; Yo=
u can also stick with the generator and convert to negative
 ground for radios and other more modern electrical appliances.</span><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></=
p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;">&nbsp;</span>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></sp=
an></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;">Not sure abou=
t the reference to LEDs:&nbsp; my understanding is&nbsp; that there really =
is no LED alternative for the dash warning lights.</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;">&nbsp;</span>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></sp=
an></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;">Andrew Uprich=
ard</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#262=
82A;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;">Jackson, Mich=
igan</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26=
282A;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;">&nbsp;</span>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></sp=
an></p>=20
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span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">From:=
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26=
282A;"> Triumphs &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@auto=
x.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked].=
net</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>dave northrup<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> triumph list list &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:triumphs@=
autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]<=
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<b>Subject:</b> [TR] generator vs alternator</span></p>=20
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">&nbsp;</=
span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Recently=
 picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.&nbsp; Since the eng=
ine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator
 works or if at all.&nbsp; It is still in the engine compartment, wires con=
nected (unlike the engine).&nbsp; how can I test it?</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">&nbsp;</=
span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Given th=
e current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interest in insta=
lling a radio, should I try to keep the current setup
 (little joke there) or go back to a generator?</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">&nbsp;</=
span></p>=20
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Are ther=
e wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?&nbsp;
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 19:50:56 -0500

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Glenn, I had the same issue.  The turn signal light reverses polarity,
flows one way for left and the other for right.  An incandescent doesn't
care, but an LED does.  I had to add a little electric solid state
doohickey to the circuit to make it work both ways.  Randall (RIP) helped
me solve that mystery.  An electronics guru will be able to tell you what
you need.  CZT or something like that.

Greg Lemon TR250

On Sat, Jul 8, 2023, 7:29 PM <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> Correct, an electronic three spade flasher works for having LED=E2=80=99s=
 for turn
> signals and also the turn indicator.
>
>
>
German
> made LED-s that have an al-u-min-e-um heat sink between the screw base an=
d
> the lens.  It is the same height as the spring holding tabs on the metal
> socket, and when inserted into the insulated two wire style indicator lam=
p
> holder socket and pushed into the instrument socket (six of them), they
> short out one wire to ground.  Beware.  Always get the lower wattage
> non-heatsink style as they are plenty bright.  The only ones that does no=
t
> matter are the instrument lighting circuit (Red with white tracer) becaus=
e
> they use the instrument case as the ground path to the black wire screwed
> onto the instrument mounting post.
>
>
>
> A dimmable 12VDC LED works for the IGN indicator, have not found one of
> those in a screw in E-10 base yet so still using an incandescent for the
> IGN indicator.
>
>
>
> And if your instrument light plastic spring loaded socket is turning to
> cheese, we have some 3D printed solutions (see the Triumph Experience 3D
> printing forum) to easily repair the OE instrument sockets.
>
>
>
> So here is a challenge for the group I have not taken any time to look
> into as of yet:
>
>
>
> My TR250 dash green turn indicator flashes with the left turn but not the
> right turn.  All turn signals, LED front and rear signals function
> correctly.  The only issue is the green turn signal indicator in the gaug=
e
> does not flash for right turns.  The electronic flasher unit has a good
> audible synthesized =E2=80=9Cclicking=E2=80=9D when the turn signals are =
active both left
> and right turns.
>
>
>
> Not yet ruled out some issue from the PO/DPM, or a ground wire I missed
> inside the harness when repairing a burnt Brown w/White wire on the harne=
ss.
> *From:* Triumphs <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *auprich=
ard
> uprichard.net
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 8, 2023 1:25 PM
> *To:* DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>; dave northrup <[email-masked]>=
;
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
>
>
>
> OK, I was getting muddled between my TR250 which has numerous warning
> It is possible to get an LED for the flasher, as long as you get an
> *From:* DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 8, 2023 12:52 PM
> *To:* dave northrup <[email-masked]>; triumph list <
> [email-masked]>; auprichard uprichard.net <
> [email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
>
>
>
> That is probably due to the fact that the flasher unit requires a minimum
> current to operate.  Since this is a three-terminal unit with the third
> wire for the dash indicator switching over to a two-terminal electronic
> flasher will not work.  And the electronic units may be Neg-Ground only.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:06:19 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> All I can say is I just replaced all the bulbs in my latest TR3 with LEDs
> from LiteZupp but Mike said I=E2=80=99d have to stick with the original b=
ulbs for
> the warning lamps.
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *dave
> northrup
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM
> *To:* triumph list list <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
>
>
>
> *From:* auprichard uprichard.net <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM
> *To:* dave northrup <[email-masked]>; triumph list list <
> [email-masked]>
> *Subject:* RE: generator vs alternator
>
>
>
> I would take it to a local shop and have them test it =E2=80=93 but that=
=E2=80=99s just me.
>
>
>
> An alternator is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers on
> at the same time), but it will require different pulleys if it is a narro=
w
> belt.
>
>
>
> I thought most alternator conversions were negative ground, but I may be
> wrong.  You can also stick with the generator and convert to negative
> Not sure about the reference to LEDs:  my understanding is  that there
> *From:* Triumphs <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *dave
> northrup
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM
> *To:* triumph list list <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* [TR] generator vs alternator
>
>
>
> Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.  Since th=
e
> Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interes=
t
> in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (little jok=
e
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]
>

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<div dir=3D"auto">Glenn, I had the same issue.=C2=A0 The turn signal light =
reverses polarity, flows one way for left and the other for right.=C2=A0 An=
 incandescent doesn&#39;t care, but an LED does.=C2=A0 I had to add a littl=
e electric solid state doohickey to the circuit to make it work both ways.=
=C2=A0 Randall (RIP) helped me solve that mystery.=C2=A0 An electronics gur=
u will be able to tell you what you need.=C2=A0 CZT or something like that.=
<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Greg Lemon TR250</div></div><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat,=
 Jul 8, 2023, 7:29 PM  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.=
org">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=
=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div class=3D"m_807274364286681843WordSection1"><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">Andrew,<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Corre=
ct, an electronic three spade flasher works for having LED=E2=80=99s for tu=
rn signals and also the turn indicator.=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">A caveat though =
to people looking for dash LED=E2=80=99s: there are some German made LED-s =
that have an al-u-min-e-um heat sink between the screw base and the lens.=
=C2=A0 It is the same height as the spring holding tabs on the metal socket=
, and when inserted into the insulated two wire style indicator lamp holder=
 socket and pushed into the instrument socket (six of them), they short out=
 one wire to ground.=C2=A0 Beware.=C2=A0 Always get the lower wattage non-h=
eatsink style as they are plenty bright.=C2=A0 The only ones that does not =
matter are the instrument lighting circuit (Red with white tracer) because =
they use the instrument case as the ground path to the black wire screwed o=
nto the instrument mounting post.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">A dimmable 12VDC LED works fo=
r the IGN indicator, have not found one of those in a screw in E-10 base ye=
t so still using an incandescent for the IGN indicator.<u></u><u></u></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">And if =
your instrument light plastic spring loaded socket is turning to cheese, we=
 have some 3D printed solutions (see the Triumph Experience 3D printing for=
um) to easily repair the OE instrument sockets. <u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">So here is a =
challenge for the group I have not taken any time to look into as of yet:=
=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">My TR250 dash green turn indicator flashes with the lef=
t turn but not the right turn.=C2=A0 All turn signals, LED front and rear s=
ignals function correctly.=C2=A0 The only issue is the green turn signal in=
dicator in the gauge does not flash for right turns.=C2=A0 The electronic f=
lasher unit has a good audible synthesized =E2=80=9Cclicking=E2=80=9D when =
the turn signals are active both left and right turns.<u></u><u></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Not yet =
ruled out some issue from the PO/DPM, or a ground wire I missed inside the =
harness when repairing a burnt Brown w/White wire on the harness.<u></u><u>=
</u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e=
1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tr=
iumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bl=
ank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behal=
f Of </b>auprichard <a href=3D"http://uprichard.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">uprichard.net</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 8, 2023 1:=
25 PM<br><b>To:</b> DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; dave north=
rup &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"norefe=
rrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; triumph list list &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tri=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]=
eam.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] generator vs alternator<u></u><=
u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,ser=
if;color:#1f497d">OK, I was getting muddled between my TR250 which has nume=
rous warning lamps and the TR3 which obviously only has two.<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New=
 Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
;color:#1f497d">It is possible to get an LED for the flasher, as long as yo=
u get an LED-compatible flasher (which I did from LiteZupp).<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New=
 Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
;color:#1f497d">But there was no alternative for the ignition lamp.<u></u><=
u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,=
serif;color:#1f497d">Andrew<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1f497d"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:s=
olid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Fro=
m:</b> DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bl=
ank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturda=
y, July 8, 2023 12:52 PM<br><b>To:</b> dave northrup &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt;; triumph list &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; auprichard <a =
href=3D"http://uprichard.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">uprichar=
d.net</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re:=
 [TR] generator vs alternator<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">That is=
 probably due to the fact that the flasher unit requires a minimum current =
to operate.=C2=A0 Since this is a three-terminal unit with the third wire f=
or the dash indicator switching over to a two-terminal electronic flasher w=
ill not work.=C2=A0 And the electronic units may be Neg-Ground only.<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></sp=
an></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Dave </s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-seri=
f;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:b=
lack"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-seri=
f"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div></div><div id=3D"m_8072743642866818=
43ydpb20e27b0yahoo_quoted_9772539360"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;co=
lor:#26282a">On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:06:19 AM CDT, auprichard <a hr=
ef=3D"http://uprichard.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">uprichard.=
net</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" r=
el=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: <u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><div id=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27=
b0yiv9419429768"><div><div><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv94=
19429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;New se=
rif&quot;;color:#1f497d">All I can say is I just replaced all the bulbs in =
my latest TR3 with LEDs from LiteZupp but Mike said I=E2=80=99d have to sti=
ck with the original bulbs for the warning lamps.</span><span style=3D"font=
-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u=
></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv941942=
9768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;New serif&=
quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p=
><div id=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768yqt77354"><div><div=
 style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in =
0in"><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><b>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-seri=
f;color:#26282a">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>dave northrup=
<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM<br><b>To:</b> triumph list=
 list &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR]=
 generator vs alternator<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"m_=
807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9=
419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helve=
tica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><a href=3D"https://litezupp.com/" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://litezupp.com/</a> can replace ever=
y bulb in almost every car<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_8072743642=
86681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">=C2=A0<u></u><u=
></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768mso=
normal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,s=
ans-serif;color:#26282a">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"=
border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p cl=
ass=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><b><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#2=
6282a">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"> auprichard <a href=3D"http://upric=
hard.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">uprichard.net</a> &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:=
18 AM<br><b>To:</b> dave northrup &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; triumph list =
list &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: gene=
rator vs alternator<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"m_80727=
4364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10=
.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">=C2=A0<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv94194297=
68msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;New serif&qu=
ot;;color:#1f497d">I would take it to a local shop and have them test it =
=E2=80=93 but that=E2=80=99s just me.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;New serif&quot;;color:=
#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Hel=
vetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;New serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">An alternator=
 is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers on at the same ti=
me), but it will require different pulleys if it is a narrow belt.=C2=A0 </=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans=
-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_80727436428668=
1843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;New serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">=
<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419=
429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;New seri=
f&quot;;color:#1f497d">I thought most alternator conversions were negative =
ground, but I may be wrong.=C2=A0 You can also stick with the generator and=
 convert to negative ground for radios and other more modern electrical app=
liances.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&=
quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_8072=
74364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:&quot;New serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color=
:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e2=
7b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;New serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Not sure about the reference to LEDs:=C2=
=A0 my understanding is=C2=A0 that there really is no LED alternative for t=
he dash warning lights.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p =
class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;New serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=
=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;=
,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364=
286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;New serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Andrew Uprichard</span><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;=
color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydp=
b20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family=
:&quot;New serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Jackson, Michigan</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26=
282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0y=
iv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ne=
w serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></=
span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padd=
ing:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv941942=
9768msonormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helveti=
ca&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"> Triump=
hs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of=
 </b>dave northrup<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM<br><b>To:=
</b> triumph list list &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subje=
ct:</b> [TR] generator vs alternator<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p=
 class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#2=
6282a">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb2=
0e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">Recently picked up a 59 TR3 =
which has an alternator conversion.=C2=A0 Since the engine was separate, I =
have no idea how well the generator works or if at all.=C2=A0 It is still i=
n the engine compartment, wires connected (unlike the engine).=C2=A0 how ca=
n I test it?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20=
e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></=
p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;colo=
r:#26282a">Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have n=
o interest in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (l=
ittle joke there) or go back to a generator?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282=
a">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27=
b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">Are there wiring diagrams for th=
is car with a generator?=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><=
/div><div id=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yqt02424"><p class=3D"MsoNor=
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Ah yes, I recall Randall=E2=80=99s discussion on that.  It needs a Zener =
diode for 12VDC.  There are several areas Randall and I collaborated on =
electrical issues with Stags way back then.

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I=E2=80=99ll do some searching on that to see if I can find the =
reference in the digest archives.

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Thanks for rattling the brain cells!

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Glenn Merrell, CAP

StagByTriumph Garage

aka Stag-By-Triumph Garage (on FaceBook)

Remember, =E2=80=9Cthe BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; Stone =
chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen =E2=80=A6 with the =
occasional smell of manure!=E2=80=9D

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From: Greg Lemon <[email-masked]>=20
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To: [email-masked]
Cc: Triumphs <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator

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Glenn, I had the same issue.  The turn signal light reverses polarity, =
flows one way for left and the other for right.  An incandescent doesn't =
care, but an LED does.  I had to add a little electric solid state =
doohickey to the circuit to make it work both ways.  Randall (RIP) =
helped me solve that mystery.  An electronics guru will be able to tell =
you what you need.  CZT or something like that.

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Greg Lemon TR250

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On Sat, Jul 8, 2023, 7:29 PM <[email-masked] =

Andrew,

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From: Triumphs <[email-masked] =
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Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator

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Andrew

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Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 12:52 PM
auprichard uprichard.net <http://uprichard.net>  =
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Dave=20

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On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:06:19 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net =
<http://uprichard.net>  <[email-masked] =

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From: auprichard uprichard.net <http://uprichard.net>  =
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM
Subject: RE: generator vs alternator

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Greg<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ah yes, I =
recall Randall=E2=80=99s discussion on that.=C2=A0 It needs a Zener =
diode for 12VDC.=C2=A0 There are several areas Randall and I =
collaborated on electrical issues with Stags way back =
then.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99ll do some searching on that to see if I can =
find the reference in the digest archives.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks for =
rattling the brain cells!<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Glenn Merrell, CAP<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>StagByTriumph =
Garage<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>aka Stag-By-Triumph Garage (<i>on =
FaceBook</i>)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Remember, =E2=80=9Cthe BEST trophies are: Miles =
on the Odometer; Stone chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the =
windscreen =E2=80=A6 with the occasional smell of =
manure!=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Greg Lemon =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 8, 2023 6:51 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> =
Triumphs &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] =
generator vs alternator<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Glenn, =
I had the same issue.&nbsp; The turn signal light reverses polarity, =
flows one way for left and the other for right.&nbsp; An incandescent =
doesn't care, but an LED does.&nbsp; I had to add a little electric =
solid state doohickey to the circuit to make it work both ways.&nbsp; =
Randall (RIP) helped me solve that mystery.&nbsp; An electronics guru =
will be able to tell you what you need.&nbsp; CZT or something like =
that.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Greg Lemon TR250<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sat, Jul 8, 2023, 7:29 PM &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">stagbytriumph@triumphst=
agclub.org</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Andrew,<o:p>=
</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Correct, an =
electronic three spade flasher works for having LED=E2=80=99s for turn =
signals and also the turn indicator.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>A caveat =
though to people looking for dash LED=E2=80=99s: there are some German =
made LED-s that have an al-u-min-e-um heat sink between the screw base =
and the lens.&nbsp; It is the same height as the spring holding tabs on =
the metal socket, and when inserted into the insulated two wire style =
indicator lamp holder socket and pushed into the instrument socket (six =
of them), they short out one wire to ground.&nbsp; Beware.&nbsp; Always =
get the lower wattage non-heatsink style as they are plenty =
bright.&nbsp; The only ones that does not matter are the instrument =
lighting circuit (Red with white tracer) because they use the instrument =
case as the ground path to the black wire screwed onto the instrument =
mounting post.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>A dimmable =
12VDC LED works for the IGN indicator, have not found one of those in a =
screw in E-10 base yet so still using an incandescent for the IGN =
indicator.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>And if your =
instrument light plastic spring loaded socket is turning to cheese, we =
have some 3D printed solutions (see the Triumph Experience 3D printing =
forum) to easily repair the OE instrument sockets. <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>So here is =
a challenge for the group I have not taken any time to look into as of =
yet:&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>My TR250 =
dash green turn indicator flashes with the left turn but not the right =
turn.&nbsp; All turn signals, LED front and rear signals function =
correctly.&nbsp; The only issue is the green turn signal indicator in =
the gauge does not flash for right turns.&nbsp; The electronic flasher =
unit has a good audible synthesized =E2=80=9Cclicking=E2=80=9D when the =
turn signals are active both left and right turns.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Not yet =
ruled out some issue from the PO/DPM, or a ground wire I missed inside =
the harness when repairing a burnt Brown w/White wire on the =
harness.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Glenn aka =
StagByTriumph Garage<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b>=
 Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf =
Of </b>auprichard <a href=3D"http://uprichard.net" =
target=3D"_blank">uprichard.net</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 8, =
2023 1:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; dave northrup &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; triumph list list &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[TR] generator vs alternator<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>OK, I was =
getting muddled between my TR250 which has numerous warning lamps and =
the TR3 which obviously only has two.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>It is =
possible to get an LED for the flasher, as long as you get an =
LED-compatible flasher (which I did from =
LiteZupp).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>But there =
was no alternative for the ignition lamp.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>Andrew</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b>=
 DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, =
July 8, 2023 12:52 PM<br><b>To:</b> dave northrup &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; triumph list &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; auprichard <a =
href=3D"http://uprichard.net" target=3D"_blank">uprichard.net</a> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [TR] generator vs alternator<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>That is =
probably due to the fact that the flasher unit requires a minimum =
current to operate.&nbsp; Since this is a three-terminal unit with the =
third wire for the dash indicator switching over to a two-terminal =
electronic flasher will not work.&nbsp; And the electronic units may be =
Neg-Ground only.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span><o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dav=
e </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span><o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</span><o=
:p></o:p></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yahoo_quoted_9772539360"><div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:06:19 AM CDT, auprichard <a =
href=3D"http://uprichard.net" target=3D"_blank">uprichard.net</a> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: =
</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div =
id=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768"><div><div><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:#1F497D'>All I can say is I just replaced all the =
bulbs in my latest TR3 with LEDs from LiteZupp but Mike said I=E2=80=99d =
have to stick with the original bulbs for the warning =
lamps.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
id=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768yqt77354"><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf =
Of </b>dave northrup<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> triumph list list &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[TR] generator vs alternator</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><a href=3D"https://litezupp.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">https://litezupp.com/</a> can replace every bulb in =
almost every car</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> auprichard <a href=3D"http://uprichard.net" =
target=3D"_blank">uprichard.net</a> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> =
Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> dave northrup &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; triumph list list &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: =
generator vs alternator</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New serif",serif;color:#1F497D'>I =
would take it to a local shop and have them test it =E2=80=93 but =
that=E2=80=99s just me.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:#1F497D'>An alternator is a significant upgrade (you =
can have lights and wipers on at the same time), but it will require =
different pulleys if it is a narrow belt.&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New serif",serif;color:#1F497D'>I =
thought most alternator conversions were negative ground, but I may be =
wrong.&nbsp; You can also stick with the generator and convert to =
negative ground for radios and other more modern electrical =
appliances.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:#1F497D'>Not sure about the reference to LEDs:&nbsp; =
my understanding is&nbsp; that there really is no LED alternative for =
the dash warning lights.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:#1F497D'>Andrew Uprichard</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:#1F497D'>Jackson, Michigan</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf =
Of </b>dave northrup<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> triumph list list &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> =
[TR] generator vs alternator</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.&nbsp; =
Since the engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator =
works or if at all.&nbsp; It is still in the engine compartment, wires =
connected (unlike the engine).&nbsp; how can I test =
it?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no =
interest in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup =
(little joke there) or go back to a generator?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dm807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?&nbsp; =
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