Subject: [TR] As part of the centenary of the Triumph marque...​

From: Don Hiscock <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2023 19:12:21 -0500

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As time goes by and I've gotten to see many more 1930s sports-racers at
places like Goodwood, that era has really grown on me.  Especially the
pre-1940 Triumphs

Here are some nice ones, along with a bunch of other S-T products at Walton
Hall in Warrington, Cheshire, UK in May 2023.

https://youtu.be/tr1A8T1NfHs

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small=
">As time goes by and I&#39;ve gotten to see many more 1930s sports-racers =
at places like Goodwood, that era has really grown on me.=C2=A0 Especially =
the pre-1940 Triumphs</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:=
small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Her=
e are some nice ones, along with a bunch of other S-T products at Walton Ha=
ll in Warrington, Cheshire, UK in May 2023.</div><br></div><a href=3D"https=
://youtu.be/tr1A8T1NfHs" target=3D"_blank">https://youtu.be/tr1A8T1NfHs</a>
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From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 19:40:58 +0100

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Bill,

The car side broke away from the bicycle and motorcycle side in 1936. By 193=
9, the car business was in dire financial straits and effectively ceased tra=
ding in 1939 just before WW2. There are a variety of opinions on why it went=
 bust but I think the principal reason was it strived to make too many diffe=
rent models. While this was encouraging for the potential buyer, the key iss=
ue was they tried to cover too many different model types and didn=E2=80=99t=
 make enough of any of them to recoup the design and manufacturing costs.=20=

On top of that, the car factory itself in Priory Street was really quite sma=
ll, in the middle of Coventry city centre and by the time Hitler=E2=80=99s L=
uftwaffe had flattened Coventry in November 1940, the real estate value of t=
he site was pennies. That goes a long way to explaining the relatively small=
 outlay from Standard in 1945 to acquire the Triumph name and manufacturing r=
ights. Hope this clarifies?

Jonmac

Sent from a piece of electronic papyrus I found in King Tut=E2=80=99s tomb

> On 25 Jun 2023, at 04:16, bill beecher <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> I always thought the Triumph car didn=E2=80=99t come about till the =E2=80=
=9830s.  When did they split with the motorbike folks?
> Bill B
>=20
> =E2=80=9CShoot low sheriff, she=E2=80=99s riding a shetland=E2=80=9D =E2=80=
=A6B.Wills
>=20
> On Jun 24, 2023, at 7:30 PM, Don Hiscock <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> As time goes by and I've gotten to see many more 1930s sports-racers at pl=
aces like Goodwood, that era has really grown on me.  Especially the pre-194=
0 Triumphs
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> Here are some nice ones, along with a bunch of other S-T products at Walto=
n Hall in Warrington, Cheshire, UK in May 2023.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Bill,<div><br></div><div>The car side broke=
 away from the bicycle and motorcycle side in 1936. By 1939, the car busines=
s was in dire financial straits and effectively ceased trading in 1939 just b=
efore WW2. There are a variety of opinions on why it went bust but I think t=
he principal reason was it strived to make too many different models. While t=
his was encouraging for the potential buyer, the key issue was they tried to=
 cover too many different model types and didn=E2=80=99t make enough of any o=
f them to recoup the design and manufacturing costs.&nbsp;</div><div>On top o=
f that, the car factory itself in Priory Street was really quite small, in t=
he middle of Coventry city centre and by the time Hitler=E2=80=99s Luftwaffe=
 had flattened Coventry in November 1940, the real estate value of the site w=
as pennies. That goes a long way to explaining the relatively small outlay f=
rom Standard in 1945 to acquire the Triumph name and manufacturing rights. H=
ope this clarifies?</div><div><br></div><div>Jonmac<br><br><div id=3D"AppleM=
ailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Sent from a piece of electronic papyrus I found in=
 King Tut=E2=80=99s tomb</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 25 Jun 2023, at 04:16,=
 bill beecher &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
om</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><m=
eta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">I alw=
ays thought the Triumph car didn=E2=80=99t come about till the =E2=80=9830s.=
 &nbsp;When did they split with the motorbike folks?<div>Bill B<br><br><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=9CShoot low sheriff, she=E2=80=99s riding a shetland=E2=80=
=9D =E2=80=A6B.Wills</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 24, 2023, at 7:30 PM, D=
on Hiscock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
m</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">As time goes by and=
 I've gotten to see many more 1930s sports-racers at places like Goodwood, t=
hat era has really grown on me.&nbsp; Especially the pre-1940 Triumphs</div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Here are some nice ones, along wit=
h a bunch of other S-T products at Walton Hall in Warrington, Cheshire, UK i=
n May 2023.</div><br></div><a href=3D"https://youtu.be/tr1A8T1NfHs" target=3D=
"_blank">https://youtu.be/tr1A8T1NfHs</a>
</div>
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From: bill beecher <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 18:35:36 -0500

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks for that update Joh=
n, concurs with the time frame I believed. &nbsp; ISTR Donald Healey was MD i=
n the early 40=E2=80=99s?</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">B=
ill</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 26, 2023, at 1:41 PM, John Macartney &l=
t;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<=
meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Bill=
,<div><br></div><div>The car side broke away from the bicycle and motorcycle=
 side in 1936. By 1939, the car business was in dire financial straits and e=
ffectively ceased trading in 1939 just before WW2. There are a variety of op=
inions on why it went bust but I think the principal reason was it strived t=
o make too many different models. While this was encouraging for the potenti=
al buyer, the key issue was they tried to cover too many different model typ=
es and didn=E2=80=99t make enough of any of them to recoup the design and ma=
nufacturing costs.&nbsp;</div><div>On top of that, the car factory itself in=
 Priory Street was really quite small, in the middle of Coventry city centre=
 and by the time Hitler=E2=80=99s Luftwaffe had flattened Coventry in Novemb=
er 1940, the real estate value of the site was pennies. That goes a long way=
 to explaining the relatively small outlay from Standard in 1945 to acquire t=
he Triumph name and manufacturing rights. Hope this clarifies?</div><div><br=
></div><div>Jonmac<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from a piece of electronic p=
apyrus I found in King Tut=E2=80=99s tomb</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 25 Ju=
n 2023, at 04:16, bill beecher &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">n=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; chars=
et=3Dutf-8">I always thought the Triumph car didn=E2=80=99t come about till t=
he =E2=80=9830s. &nbsp;When did they split with the motorbike folks?<div>Bil=
l B<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=9CShoot low sheriff, she=E2=80=99s riding=
 a shetland=E2=80=9D =E2=80=A6B.Wills</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 24, 2=
023, at 7:30 PM, Don Hiscock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">do=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">A=
s time goes by and I've gotten to see many more 1930s sports-racers at place=
s like Goodwood, that era has really grown on me.&nbsp; Especially the pre-1=
940 Triumphs</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Here are some n=
ice ones, along with a bunch of other S-T products at Walton Hall in Warring=
ton, Cheshire, UK in May 2023.</div><br></div><a href=3D"https://youtu.be/tr=
1A8T1NfHs" target=3D"_blank">https://youtu.be/tr1A8T1NfHs</a>
</div>
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