Subject: [TR] TR 3 Engine Colour

From: Edward Hamer <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 04:11:17 +0000

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I seem to remember that the factory painted replacement engines red.

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That would be news to me. The factory reconditioned engines I've seen in
the UK were painted cheap black paint (as Jonmac notes) and got a special
FRE plate covering the original engine number.

Some suppliers to the UK car industry did use different paint to denote
reconditioned parts.  I believe that's the reason we sometimes see Lucas
parts like wiper motors in a grayish-greenish-bluish color instead of the
standard black.  A friend of mine told me once during his time as a motor
factor that he sold remaindered gray-green-blue paint to one of the
manufacturers so it could all be blended together and used on reconditioned
parts...

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Tha=
t would be news to me. The factory reconditioned engines I&#39;ve seen in t=
he UK were painted cheap black paint (as Jonmac notes) and got a special FR=
E plate covering the original engine number.</div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-size:small"><img src=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos=
/i-XvTTKzN/0/26f8c2fc/X5/i-XvTTKzN-X5.jpg" width=3D"562" height=3D"375"><br=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Some suppliers to the U=
K car industry did use different paint to denote reconditioned parts.=C2=A0=
 I believe that&#39;s the reason we sometimes see Lucas parts like wiper mo=
tors in a grayish-greenish-bluish color instead of the standard black.=C2=
=A0 A friend of mine told me once during his time as a motor factor that he=
 sold remaindered gray-green-blue paint to one of the manufacturers so it c=
ould all be blended together and used on reconditioned parts...</div></div>=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed=
, Jun 14, 2023 at 11:21=E2=80=AFPM Edward Hamer &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hdrid=
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ngines red.</div>
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From: Don Hiscock <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 07:45:31 -0500

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And BTW -- red-orange paint was used on some four-cylinder TR engines in
the form of marshaling marks to organize production.  My TSF-series TR3B,
produced like all of 'em during the early simultaneous production of the
TR4, had hand-painted orange-red marks on the black block that appear to
have been TR4 first, then overpainted (correctly) as TR3.
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> manufacturers so it could all be blended together and used on recondition=
ed
> parts...
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> On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 11:21=E2=80=AFPM Edward Hamer <[email-masked]=
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">The=
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</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><a href=3D"htt=
ps://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-XvTTKzN/0/26f8c2fc/X5/i-XvTTKzN-X5.jpg">ht=
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><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">And BTW -- red-oran=
ge paint was used on some four-cylinder TR engines in the form of marshalin=
g marks to organize production.=C2=A0 My TSF-series TR3B, produced like all=
 of &#39;em during the early simultaneous production of the TR4, had hand-p=
ainted orange-red marks on the black block that appear to have been TR4 fir=
st, then overpainted (correctly) as TR3.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size:small"><a href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-8J=
LFjcP/0/053a1b23/X5/i-8JLFjcP-X5.jpg">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-8=
JLFjcP/0/053a1b23/X5/i-8JLFjcP-X5.jpg</a><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at =
7:40=E2=80=AFAM Don Hiscock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">do=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)=
;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-size:small">That would be news to me. The factory reconditioned engines=
 I&#39;ve seen in the UK were painted cheap black paint (as Jonmac notes) a=
nd got a special FRE plate covering the original engine number.</div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><img width=3D"562" height=
=3D"375"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><=
br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Some suppli=
ers to the UK car industry did use different paint to denote reconditioned =
parts.=C2=A0 I believe that&#39;s the reason we sometimes see Lucas parts l=
ike wiper motors in a grayish-greenish-bluish color instead of the standard=
 black.=C2=A0 A friend of mine told me once during his time as a motor fact=
or that he sold remaindered gray-green-blue paint to one of the manufacture=
rs so it could all be blended together and used on reconditioned parts...</=
div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_at=
tr">On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 11:21=E2=80=AFPM Edward Hamer &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote=
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 08:12:19 -0700 (PDT)

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This Vanguard engine is from a Renown Razor Edge.  Painted a metallic blue.
Dave H.

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ts like wiper motors in a grayish-greenish-bluish color instead of the stan=
dard black.  A friend of mine told me once during his time as a motor facto=
r that he sold remaindered gray-green-blue paint to one of the manufacturer=
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 the standard black.&nbsp; A friend of mine told me once during his time as=
 a motor factor that he sold remaindered gray-green-blue paint to one of th=
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My TR2 engine painted red/orange and other spares.
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From: Don Hiscock <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 10:15:43 -0500

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I have to double check with the owner of the TR3 with that FRE posted
earlier... Perhaps his IS blue-gray-green, too and it was just black with
fifty years of grime when I visited him.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I h=
ave to double check with=C2=A0the owner of the TR3 with that FRE=C2=A0poste=
d earlier... Perhaps his IS blue-gray-green, too and it was just black with=
 fifty years of grime when I visited him.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 10:1=
2=E2=80=AFAM DAVE HOGYE &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">dlhogye@=
comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex"><u></u>

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:rgb(51,51,51)"> <span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt">This =
Vanguard engine is from a Renown Razor Edge.=C2=A0 Painted a metallic blue.=
</span>=20
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H.</span>=20
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[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:=20
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      That would be news to me. The factory reconditioned engines I&#39;ve =
seen in the UK were painted cheap black paint (as Jonmac notes) and got a s=
pecial FRE plate covering the original engine number.=20
    </div>=20
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     <img src=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-XvTTKzN/0/26f8c2fc/X5/=
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      Some suppliers to the UK car industry did use different paint to deno=
te reconditioned parts.=C2=A0 I believe that&#39;s the reason we sometimes =
see Lucas parts like wiper motors in a grayish-greenish-bluish color instea=
d of the standard black.=C2=A0 A friend of mine told me once during his tim=
e as a motor factor that he sold remaindered gray-green-blue paint to one o=
f the manufacturers so it could all be blended together and used on recondi=
tioned parts...=20
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From: Don Hiscock <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 11:14:13 -0500

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My friend Bob had the FRE engine out of his car in 2013, a couple of years
before I snapped that photo of his rebuild tag, and while he didn't open up
the engine he did paint the block black.  And he has no recollection of
what it was prior to that.  Coulda been rebuild-blue/green, but no info.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 10:15=E2=80=AFAM Don Hiscock <[email-masked]=

> On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 10:12=E2=80=AFAM DAVE HOGYE <[email-masked]>=
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>> the UK were painted cheap black paint (as Jonmac notes) and got a specia=
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>> parts like wiper motors in a grayish-greenish-bluish color instead of th=
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">My =
friend Bob had the FRE engine out of his car in 2013, a couple of years bef=
ore I snapped that photo of his rebuild tag, and while he didn&#39;t open u=
p the engine he did paint the block black.=C2=A0 And he has no recollection=
 of what it was prior to that.=C2=A0 Coulda been rebuild-blue/green, but no=
 info.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 10:15=E2=80=AFAM Don Hiscock &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I have to double check=
 with=C2=A0the owner of the TR3 with that FRE=C2=A0posted earlier... Perhap=
s his IS blue-gray-green, too and it was just black with fifty years of gri=
me when I visited him.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 10:12=E2=80=AFAM DAVE=
 HOGYE &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">dlhogye=
@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
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