Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 69

From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 15:43:08 +0100

Congrats and thanks to Mark. A richly deserved award!

Looking back down the years, this list seems to have a far smaller population than when I joined it in the nineties. Granted, we have had some sad departures as a result of anno domini etc, but is it now populated mostly by non-contributing lurkers who have been here a long time, or has it seen many migrations to other places - or what? Your thoughts / knowledge would be interesting.

Jonmac

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From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 13:11:08 -0700

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> Looking back down the years, this list seems to have a far smaller population than when I joined it in the nineties. Granted, we have had some sad departures as a result of anno domini etc, but is…

I'm one of the few that was on the original British car mail list before 
it got chopped up into marque lists who has become basically a lurker. I 
think much is that Google has been putting Triumph list postings in its 
junk file before I even see it. I just seem to be able to tell it that 
individual list member postings are not junk. I either never see 
postings from a lot of people or well after they posted it when I go 
into google mail to look for mail that is not junk. I don't have that 
problem with FOT mail. Google lets that one through real time.

I seldom post because I really have nothing TR related to say or a 
thread is old by the time I pull it out of Google junk.

On the other hand Eureka has a 2 seater car gathering coming up on 10 
June. My TR3 intends to be there.

TeriAnn

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From: Greg Lemon <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 19:48:10 -0500

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Same problem here with Gmail, I never see my emails to the list come
through at all, and it seems like a third to two-thirds of the regular list
traffic goes to spam, but I agree that overall the number of users and
posts seems to be down.  Though in the early days I was on the Austin
Healey list, so I guess can't really speak to traffic then.

Greg Lemon
TR250

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> > Looking back down the years, this list seems to have a far smaller
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> sad departures as a result of anno domini etc, but is it now populated
> mostly by non-contributing lurkers who have been here a long time, or has
> it seen many migrations to other places - or what? Your thoughts /
> knowledge would be interesting.
> >
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<div dir=3D"auto">Same problem here with Gmail, I never see my emails to th=
e list come through at all, and it seems like a third to two-thirds of the =
regular list traffic goes to spam, but I agree that overall the number of u=
sers and posts seems to be down.=C2=A0 Though in the early days I was on th=
e Austin Healey list, so I guess can&#39;t really speak to traffic then.<di=
v dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Greg Lemon</div><div dir=3D"auto=
">TR250</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Sun, May 7, 2023, 7:10 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 5/7/23 7:43 AM, John Macartney wrote:<br>
&gt; Looking back down the years, this list seems to have a far smaller pop=
ulation than when I joined it in the nineties. Granted, we have had some sa=
d departures as a result of anno domini etc, but is it now populated mostly=
 by non-contributing lurkers who have been here a long time, or has it seen=
 many migrations to other places - or what? Your thoughts / knowledge would=
 be interesting.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Jonmac<br>
<br>
I&#39;m one of the few that was on the original British car mail list befor=
e <br>
it got chopped up into marque lists who has become basically a lurker. I <b=
r>
think much is that Google has been putting Triumph list postings in its <br=
junk file before I even see it. I just seem to be able to tell it that <br>
individual list member postings are not junk. I either never see <br>
postings from a lot of people or well after they posted it when I go <br>
into google mail to look for mail that is not junk. I don&#39;t have that <=
br>
problem with FOT mail. Google lets that one through real time.<br>
<br>
I seldom post because I really have nothing TR related to say or a <br>
thread is old by the time I pull it out of Google junk.<br>
<br>
On the other hand Eureka has a 2 seater car gathering coming up on 10 <br>
June. My TR3 intends to be there.<br>
<br>
TeriAnn<br>
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">There is a definite reduction in email traf=
fic on the list but I have recently posted questions on my TR4A wiper motor t=
hat were answered so there are people out there contributing.<div>Dave Conni=
tt<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite">On May 7, 2023, at 11:57 PM, Greg Lemon &lt;grglmn@gm=
ail.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"auto">Same problem here with Gmail, I never s=
ee my emails to the list come through at all, and it seems like a third to t=
wo-thirds of the regular list traffic goes to spam, but I agree that overall=
 the number of users and posts seems to be down.&nbsp; Though in the early d=
ays I was on the Austin Healey list, so I guess can't really speak to traffi=
c then.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Greg Lemon</div><div di=
r=3D"auto">TR250</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, May 7, 2023, 7:10 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 5/7/23 7:43 AM, John Macartney wrote:<br=
&gt; Looking back down the years, this list seems to have a far smaller popu=
lation than when I joined it in the nineties. Granted, we have had some sad d=
epartures as a result of anno domini etc, but is it now populated mostly by n=
on-contributing lurkers who have been here a long time, or has it seen many m=
igrations to other places - or what? Your thoughts / knowledge would be inte=
resting.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Jonmac<br>
<br>
I'm one of the few that was on the original British car mail list before <br=
it got chopped up into marque lists who has become basically a lurker. I <br=
think much is that Google has been putting Triumph list postings in its <br>=

junk file before I even see it. I just seem to be able to tell it that <br>
individual list member postings are not junk. I either never see <br>
postings from a lot of people or well after they posted it when I go <br>
into google mail to look for mail that is not junk. I don't have that <br>
problem with FOT mail. Google lets that one through real time.<br>
<br>
I seldom post because I really have nothing TR related to say or a <br>
thread is old by the time I pull it out of Google junk.<br>
<br>
On the other hand Eureka has a 2 seater car gathering coming up on 10 <br>
June. My TR3 intends to be there.<br>
<br>
TeriAnn<br>
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Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 05:00:36 +0000 (UTC)

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 congrats Mark.
Johnsomewhat a lurker.often by the time i get to see the mail, like now som=
e 10 hours later, folks smarter than me have often solved a listers problem=
.i then have not added my repetition of an already solved problem.but i lov=
e this list format and it has saved my sanity many times over.
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 Congrats and thanks to Mark. A richly deserved award!

Looking back down the years, this list seems to have a far smaller populati=
on than when I joined it in the nineties. Granted, we have had some sad dep=
artures as a result of anno domini etc, but is it now populated mostly by n=
on-contributing lurkers who have been here a long time, or has it seen many=
 migrations to other places - or what? Your thoughts / knowledge would be i=
nteresting.

Jonmac

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lse">John</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">somewhat a lurker.</d=
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e mail, like now some 10 hours later, folks smarter than me have often solv=
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ve not added my repetition of an already solved problem.</div><div dir=3D"l=
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From: Bob <[email-masked]>
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Greg,

Yes gmail should not be your email server of choice. Not sure of their 
motives but google is well known for censorship. Heck even my email 
client (thunderbird) thinks some posts from the list are spam. Maybe the 
servers/email clients are trying to prevent hacks I guess.

Another problem is that many smtp/pop servers require different modes of 
authentication that can prevent emails from getting from sender to 
recipient. I recently had to change my Triumph email account due to the 
many (probe) messages received stating that the list server received an 
error from my older mail server. Funny thing is the probe messages were 
received but the email in question was not, all from the same smtp server.

Funny thing is when I was in the business, we would say this funny 
phrase when something went wrong:

"The state of the moon flag must not have been set correctly"

BTW, I got the 63 4 out the other day. Started great after over an 8 
month nap. Great to be able to get in the drivers seat after a long winter.

Bob

On 5/7/23 8:48 PM, Greg Lemon wrote:
> through at all, and it seems like a third to two-thirds of the regular 
> list traffic goes to spam, but I agree that overall the number of 
> users and posts seems to be down.  Though in the early days I was on 
> the Austin Healey list, so I guess can't really speak to traffic then.
>
> Greg Lemon
> TR250
>
> On Sun, May 7, 2023, 7:10 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <[email-masked] 
>
>     > Looking back down the years, this list seems to have a far
>     smaller population than when I joined it in the nineties. Granted,
>     we have had some sad departures as a result of anno domini etc,
>     but is it now populated mostly by non-contributing lurkers who
>     have been here a long time, or has it seen many migrations to
>     other places - or what? Your thoughts / knowledge would be
>     interesting.
>     >
>     > Jonmac
>
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    <p>Greg,</p>
    <p>Yes gmail should not be your email server of choice. Not sure of
      their motives but google is well known for censorship. Heck even
      my email client (thunderbird) thinks some posts from the list are
      spam. Maybe the servers/email clients are trying to prevent hacks
      I guess.</p>
    <p>Another problem is that many smtp/pop servers require different
      modes of authentication that can prevent emails from getting from
      sender to recipient. I recently had to change my Triumph email
      account due to the many (probe) messages received stating that the
      list server received an error from my older mail server. Funny
      thing is the probe messages were received but the email in
      question was not, all from the same smtp server. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Funny thing is when I was in the business, we would say this
      funny phrase when something went wrong:</p>
    <p>"The state of the moon flag must not have been set correctly"</p>
    <p>BTW, I got the 63 4 out the other day. Started great after over
      an 8 month nap. Great to be able to get in the drivers seat after
      a long winter.</p>
    <p>Bob<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/7/23 8:48 PM, Greg Lemon wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:[email-masked]">
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      <div dir="auto">Same problem here with Gmail, I never see my
        emails to the list come through at all, and it seems like a
        third to two-thirds of the regular list traffic goes to spam,
        but I agree that overall the number of users and posts seems to
        be down.  Though in the early days I was on the Austin Healey
        list, so I guess can't really speak to traffic then.
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">Greg Lemon</div>
        <div dir="auto">TR250</div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, May 7, 2023, 7:10 PM
          TeriAnn J. Wakeman &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
            moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 5/7/23
          7:43 AM, John Macartney wrote:<br>
          &gt; Looking back down the years, this list seems to have a
          far smaller population than when I joined it in the nineties.
          Granted, we have had some sad departures as a result of anno
          domini etc, but is it now populated mostly by non-contributing
          lurkers who have been here a long time, or has it seen many
          migrations to other places - or what? Your thoughts /
          knowledge would be interesting.<br>
          &gt;<br>
          &gt; Jonmac<br>
          <br>
          I'm one of the few that was on the original British car mail
          list before <br>
          it got chopped up into marque lists who has become basically a
          lurker. I <br>
          think much is that Google has been putting Triumph list
          postings in its <br>
          junk file before I even see it. I just seem to be able to tell
          it that <br>
          individual list member postings are not junk. I either never
          see <br>
          postings from a lot of people or well after they posted it
          when I go <br>
          into google mail to look for mail that is not junk. I don't
          have that <br>
          problem with FOT mail. Google lets that one through real time.<br>
          <br>
          I seldom post because I really have nothing TR related to say
          or a <br>
          thread is old by the time I pull it out of Google junk.<br>
          <br>
          On the other hand Eureka has a 2 seater car gathering coming
          up on 10 <br>
          June. My TR3 intends to be there.<br>
          <br>
          TeriAnn<br>
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last two message I tried to send the list were kicked back as undeliverable.
...wondering if this message will make it through

ptegler

On 5/8/2023 12:57 AM, Dave Connitt wrote:
> There is a definite reduction in email traffic on the list but I have 
> recently posted questions on my TR4A wiper motor that were answered so 
> there are people out there contributing.
> Dave Connitt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 7, 2023, at 11:57 PM, Greg Lemon <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> through at all, and it seems like a third to two-thirds of the 
>> regular list traffic goes to spam, but I agree that overall the 
>> number of users and posts seems to be down.  Though in the early days 
>> I was on the Austin Healey list, so I guess can't really speak to 
>> traffic then.
>>
>> Greg Lemon
>> TR250
>>
>>     smaller population than when I joined it in the nineties.
>>     migrations to other places - or what? Your thoughts / knowledge
>>     would be interesting.
>>     >
>>     > Jonmac
>>
>>     lurker. I
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    <p>last two message I tried to send the list were kicked back as
      undeliverable.<br>
      ...wondering if this message will make it through</p>
    <p>ptegler<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/8/2023 12:57 AM, Dave Connitt
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:[email-masked]">
      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      There is a definite reduction in email traffic on the list but I
      have recently posted questions on my TR4A wiper motor that were
      answered so there are people out there contributing.
      <div>Dave Connitt<br>
        <br>
        <div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
        <div dir="ltr"><br>
          <blockquote type="cite">On May 7, 2023, at 11:57 PM, Greg
            Lemon <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:<br>
            <br>
          </blockquote>
        </div>
        <blockquote type="cite">
          <div dir="ltr">
            <div dir="auto">Same problem here with Gmail, I never see my
              emails to the list come through at all, and it seems like
              a third to two-thirds of the regular list traffic goes to
              spam, but I agree that overall the number of users and
              posts seems to be down.  Though in the early days I was on
              the Austin Healey list, so I guess can't really speak to
              traffic then.
              <div dir="auto"><br>
              </div>
              <div dir="auto">Greg Lemon</div>
              <div dir="auto">TR250</div>
            </div>
            <br>
            <div class="gmail_quote">
              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, May 7, 2023,
                7:10 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman &lt;<a
                  href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                wrote:<br>
              </div>
              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On
                5/7/23 7:43 AM, John Macartney wrote:<br>
                &gt; Looking back down the years, this list seems to
                have a far smaller population than when I joined it in
                the nineties. Granted, we have had some sad departures
                as a result of anno domini etc, but is it now populated
                mostly by non-contributing lurkers who have been here a
                long time, or has it seen many migrations to other
                places - or what? Your thoughts / knowledge would be
                interesting.<br>
                &gt;<br>
                &gt; Jonmac<br>
                <br>
                I'm one of the few that was on the original British car
                mail list before <br>
                it got chopped up into marque lists who has become
                basically a lurker. I <br>
                think much is that Google has been putting Triumph list
                postings in its <br>
                junk file before I even see it. I just seem to be able
                to tell it that <br>
                individual list member postings are not junk. I either
                never see <br>
                postings from a lot of people or well after they posted
                it when I go <br>
                into google mail to look for mail that is not junk. I
                don't have that <br>
                problem with FOT mail. Google lets that one through real
                time.<br>
                <br>
                I seldom post because I really have nothing TR related
                to say or a <br>
                thread is old by the time I pull it out of Google junk.<br>
                <br>
                On the other hand Eureka has a 2 seater car gathering
                coming up on 10 <br>
                June. My TR3 intends to be there.<br>
                <br>
                TeriAnn<br>
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From: Hoyt Duff <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 10:35:44 -0400

Some of the emails wind up in my SPAM folder which is due, I am told,
to a misconfiguration of the maillist server that the owner will not
correct, not some nefarious plot of Google, this told to me from
UNIX/Linux IT professionals. I have no way to verify this, but a
substantial amount of messages do get shuttled to my SPAM folder, even
after marking them consistently as NOT SPAM.

As to participation, I am one of the "lurkers" who has been subscribed
since circa 2000, but have not been active since I have not been
working on any of my TR2/3s.

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First, congratulations Mark... there should also be an "Ironman" award 
for your efforts over the years to keep the hamsters in the wheel 
well-fed and running at full speed.  I know what it takes, so kudos!

I thought I'd address the issue of list emails going into spam folders 
that some have mentioned.  Many already know this, but maybe some will 
be helped.

Most email clients (Outlook, Google, Thunderbird) will have a way to 
"whitelist" an email address so that your client doesn't deem an 
incoming email as spam.  Because Google is  notoriously bad at 
discerning spam from ham 
<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SPAMASSASSIN/Ham>, here is 
the procedure in Gmail:
https://www.whitelist.guide/gmail/

If you use a different client, a Google search will lead you to the 
procedure.

All of that being said, some internet providers (AT&T, Verizon, etc) do 
spam detection at server level before your client (reader) even gets the 
message.  (Although Google is not technically an internet provider, 
their whitelisting method mirrors that of one.)  In that instance you 
will need to use the provider's control panel to add email addresses to 
your whitelist.

Both methods work, 'client level' is usually simpler though.

All the best,
Blake Discher
VTR Webmaster

> working on any of my TR2/3s.

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    <font face="Avenir">First, congratulations Mark... there should also
      be an "Ironman" award for your efforts over the years to keep the
      hamsters in the wheel well-fed and running at full speed.  I know
      what it takes, so kudos!<br>
      <br>
      I thought I'd address the issue of list emails going into spam
      folders that some have mentioned.  Many already know this, but
      maybe some will be helped.<br>
      <br>
      Most email clients (Outlook, Google, Thunderbird) will have a way
      to "whitelist" an email address so that your client doesn't deem
      an incoming email as spam.  Because Google is  notoriously bad at
      discerning spam from <a moz-do-not-send="true"
        href="https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SPAMASSASSIN/Ham">ham</a>,
      here is the procedure in Gmail:<br>
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.whitelist.guide/gmail/">https://www.whitelist.guide/gmail/</a><br>
      <br>
      If you use a different client, a Google search will lead you to
      the procedure.<br>
      <br>
      All of that being said, some internet providers (AT&amp;T,
      Verizon, etc) do spam detection at server level before your client
      (reader) even gets the message.  (Although Google is not
      technically an internet provider, their whitelisting method
      mirrors that of one.)  In that instance you will need to use the
      provider's control panel to add email addresses to your whitelist.<br>
      <br>
      Both methods work, 'client level' is usually simpler though.<br>
      <br>
      All the best,<br>
      Blake Discher<br>
      VTR Webmaster<br>
      <br>
      <br>
    </font><br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/8/23 7:35 AM, Hoyt Duff wrote:<br>
    </div>
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cite="mid:CAMp=J_pxOunzG_np=[email-masked]">
      <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Some of the emails wind up in my SPAM folder which is due, I am told,
to a misconfiguration of the maillist server that the owner will not
correct, not some nefarious plot of Google, this told to me from
UNIX/Linux IT professionals. I have no way to verify this, but a
substantial amount of messages do get shuttled to my SPAM folder, even
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Thanks for that, Blake.  I've not created rules in Gmail before -- but
perhaps now our forum friend Dave Massey won't automatically be sent to
spam, despite being in my address book!  Cross your fingers, Dave... :)

On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 5:43=E2=80=AFPM Blake J. Discher <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> First, congratulations Mark... there should also be an "Ironman" award fo=
r
> your efforts over the years to keep the hamsters in the wheel well-fed an=
d
> running at full speed.  I know what it takes, so kudos!
>
> that some have mentioned.  Many already know this, but maybe some will be
> helped.
>
> "whitelist" an email address so that your client doesn't deem an incoming
> email as spam.  Because Google is  notoriously bad at discerning spam fro=
m
> ham <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SPAMASSASSIN/Ham>, here
> is the procedure in Gmail:
> message.  (Although Google is not technically an internet provider, their
> whitelisting method mirrors that of one.)  In that instance you will need
> to use the provider's control panel to add email addresses to your
> whitelist.
>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Tha=
nks for that, Blake.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve not created rules in Gmail before -- bu=
t perhaps now our forum friend Dave Massey won&#39;t automatically=C2=A0be =
sent to spam, despite being in my address book!=C2=A0 Cross your fingers, D=
ave... :)</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 5:43=E2=80=AFPM Blake J. Discher &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">bdischer.lists@blakedis=
cher.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-le=
ft:1ex">
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   =20
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  <div>
    <font face=3D"Avenir">First, congratulations Mark... there should also
      be an &quot;Ironman&quot; award for your efforts over the years to ke=
ep the
      hamsters in the wheel well-fed and running at full speed.=C2=A0 I kno=
w
      what it takes, so kudos!<br>
      <br>
      I thought I&#39;d address the issue of list emails going into spam
      folders that some have mentioned.=C2=A0 Many already know this, but
      maybe some will be helped.<br>
      <br>
      Most email clients (Outlook, Google, Thunderbird) will have a way
      to &quot;whitelist&quot; an email address so that your client doesn&#=
39;t deem
      an incoming email as spam.=C2=A0 Because Google is=C2=A0 notoriously =
bad at
      discerning spam from <a href=3D"https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/d=
isplay/SPAMASSASSIN/Ham" target=3D"_blank">ham</a>,
      here is the procedure in Gmail:<br>
      <a href=3D"https://www.whitelist.guide/gmail/" target=3D"_blank">http=
s://www.whitelist.guide/gmail/</a><br>
      <br>
      If you use a different client, a Google search will lead you to
      the procedure.<br>
      <br>
      All of that being said, some internet providers (AT&amp;T,
      Verizon, etc) do spam detection at server level before your client
      (reader) even gets the message.=C2=A0 (Although Google is not
      technically an internet provider, their whitelisting method
      mirrors that of one.)=C2=A0 In that instance you will need to use the
      provider&#39;s control panel to add email addresses to your whitelist=
.<br>
      <br>
      Both methods work, &#39;client level&#39; is usually simpler though.<=
br>
      <br>
      All the best,<br>
      Blake Discher<br>
      VTR Webmaster<br>
      <br>
      <br>
    </font><br>
    <div>On 5/8/23 7:35 AM, Hoyt Duff wrote:<br>
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      <pre>Some of the emails wind up in my SPAM folder which is due, I am =
told,
to a misconfiguration of the maillist server that the owner will not
correct, not some nefarious plot of Google, this told to me from
UNIX/Linux IT professionals. I have no way to verify this, but a
substantial amount of messages do get shuttled to my SPAM folder, even
after marking them consistently as NOT SPAM.

As to participation, I am one of the &quot;lurkers&quot; who has been subsc=
ribed
since circa 2000, but have not been active since I have not been
working on any of my TR2/3s.

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From: Mark Bradakis <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 19:27:09 -0600

On 5/8/23 8:35 AM, Hoyt Duff wrote:
> UNIX/Linux IT professionals. 

Well that is some interesting news.  Wonder what "misconfiguration" 
those folks at google are talking about?

mjb.

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Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 13:26:45 +0000 (UTC)

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 i have a simple solution for the google mail folks.open a yahoo mailkeep a=
 tab open at the top of your screen and flip between.i still have an old ao=
l email account that some friends have never weaned off.
Frank
    On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 09:12:05 PM PDT, Mark Bradakis <mark@bradakis=
.com> wrote: =20
=20
 On 5/8/23 8:35 AM, Hoyt Duff wrote:
> UNIX/Linux IT professionals.=20

Well that is some interesting news.=C2=A0 Wonder what "misconfiguration"=20
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mjb.

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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">i have a simple solution for=
 the google mail folks.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">open a =
yahoo mail</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">keep a tab open at t=
he top of your screen and flip between.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
=3D"false">i still have an old aol email account that some friends have nev=
er weaned off.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div d=
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                    On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 09:12:05 PM PDT, Mark Bradaki=
s &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div dir=3D"ltr">On 5/8/23 8:35 AM, Hoyt Duff wrote:<b=
r clear=3D"none">&gt; Some of the emails wind up in my SPAM folder which is=
 due, I am told,<br clear=3D"none">&gt; to a misconfiguration of the mailli=
st server that the owner will not<br clear=3D"none">&gt; correct, not some =
nefarious plot of Google, this told to me from<br clear=3D"none">&gt; UNIX/=
Linux IT professionals. <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Well that is =
some interesting news.&nbsp; Wonder what "misconfiguration" <br clear=3D"no=
ne">those folks at google are talking about?<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D=
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 16:19:42 +0000 (UTC)

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 I dunno, sometimes I think that is where I belong.=C2=A0 ;-)
=20
Dave=20

=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Hiscock <[email-masked]>
To: Blake J. Discher <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Sent: Mon, May 8, 2023 5:58 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Whitelist email to prevent mssg being deemed spam, was: T=
R list traffic

Thanks for that, Blake.=C2=A0 I've not created rules in Gmail before -- but=
 perhaps now our forum friend Dave Massey won't automatically=C2=A0be sent =
to spam, despite being in my address book!=C2=A0 Cross your fingers, Dave..=
. :)
On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 5:43=E2=80=AFPM Blake J. Discher <bdischer.lists@bla=
kedischer.com> wrote:

  First, congratulations Mark... there should also be an "Ironman" award fo=
r your efforts over the years to keep the hamsters in the wheel well-fed an=
d running at full speed.=C2=A0 I know what it takes, so kudos!
=20
 I thought I'd address the issue of list emails going into spam folders tha=
t some have mentioned.=C2=A0 Many already know this, but maybe some will be=
 helped.
=20
 Most email clients (Outlook, Google, Thunderbird) will have a way to "whit=
elist" an email address so that your client doesn't deem an incoming email =
as spam.=C2=A0 Because Google is=C2=A0 notoriously bad at discerning spam f=
rom ham, here is the procedure in Gmail:
 https://www.whitelist.guide/gmail/
=20
 If you use a different client, a Google search will lead you to the proced=
ure.
=20
 All of that being said, some internet providers (AT&T, Verizon, etc) do sp=
am detection at server level before your client (reader) even gets the mess=
age.=C2=A0 (Although Google is not technically an internet provider, their =
whitelisting method mirrors that of one.)=C2=A0 In that instance you will n=
eed to use the provider's control panel to add email addresses to your whit=
elist.
=20
 Both methods work, 'client level' is usually simpler though.
=20
 All the best,
 Blake Discher
 VTR Webmaster
=20
=20
=20
 On 5/8/23 7:35 AM, Hoyt Duff wrote:
 =20
 Some of the emails wind up in my SPAM folder which is due, I am told,
to a misconfiguration of the maillist server that the owner will not
correct, not some nefarious plot of Google, this told to me from
UNIX/Linux IT professionals. I have no way to verify this, but a
substantial amount of messages do get shuttled to my SPAM folder, even
after marking them consistently as NOT SPAM.

=20
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<div> <font size=3D"3">I dunno, sometimes I think that is where I belong.&n=
bsp; ;-)</font><br>
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</font></div>

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From: Don Hiscock &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Blake J. Discher &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: [email-masked]<br>
Sent: Mon, May 8, 2023 5:58 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Whitelist email to prevent mssg being deemed spam, was: T=
R list traffic<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-size:small;" class=3D"yiv7829737294gmail_default">Thanks=
 for that, Blake.&nbsp; I've not created rules in Gmail before -- but perha=
ps now our forum friend Dave Massey won't automatically&nbsp;be sent to spa=
m, despite being in my address book!&nbsp; Cross your fingers, Dave... :)</=
div>
</div>
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<div id=3D"yiv7829737294yqt58881" class=3D"yiv7829737294yqt0322004348">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"yiv7829737294gmail_attr">On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 5=
:43=E2=80=AFPM Blake J. Discher &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer"=
 shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">bdischer.lists@=
blakedischer.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class=3D"yiv7829737294gmail_quote">
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    <font face=3D"Avenir">First, congratulations Mark... there should also
      be an "Ironman" award for your efforts over the years to keep the
      hamsters in the wheel well-fed and running at full speed.&nbsp; I kno=
w
      what it takes, so kudos!<br clear=3D"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">
      I thought I'd address the issue of list emails going into spam
      folders that some have mentioned.&nbsp; Many already know this, but
      maybe some will be helped.<br clear=3D"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">
      Most email clients (Outlook, Google, Thunderbird) will have a way
      to "whitelist" an email address so that your client doesn't deem
      an incoming email as spam.&nbsp; Because Google is&nbsp; notoriously =
bad at
      discerning spam from <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D=
"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/displa=
y/SPAMASSASSIN/Ham">ham</a>,
      here is the procedure in Gmail:<br clear=3D"none">
      <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_bla=
nk" href=3D"https://www.whitelist.guide/gmail/">https://www.whitelist.guide=
/gmail/</a><br clear=3D"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">
      If you use a different client, a Google search will lead you to
      the procedure.<br clear=3D"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">
      All of that being said, some internet providers (AT&amp;T,
      Verizon, etc) do spam detection at server level before your client
      (reader) even gets the message.&nbsp; (Although Google is not
      technically an internet provider, their whitelisting method
      mirrors that of one.)&nbsp; In that instance you will need to use the
      provider's control panel to add email addresses to your whitelist.<br=
 clear=3D"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">
      Both methods work, 'client level' is usually simpler though.<br clear=
=3D"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">
      All the best,<br clear=3D"none">
      Blake Discher<br clear=3D"none">
      VTR Webmaster<br clear=3D"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">
    </font><br clear=3D"none">
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