Subject: Re: [TR] TR list traffic

From: Robert Rochlin <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 15:59:04 -0400

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  Over the many years that I=E2=80=99ve had my Triumph I=E2=80=99ve been gra=
teful for the great competent information that the folks on the list have pr=
ovided me.  I also love the stories and antidotes of the Triumph=E2=80=99s h=
istory, pedigree and crazy stuff.
Bob
  72=E2=80=9D TR6
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 8, 2023, at 3:26 PM, auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard@uprichard=
.net> wrote:
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> It made it !
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> From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Paul Tegler
> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2023 7:58 AM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR list traffic
> =20
> last two message I tried to send the list were kicked back as undeliverabl=
e.
> ...wondering if this message will make it through
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> ptegler
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> On 5/8/2023 12:57 AM, Dave Connitt wrote:
> There is a definite reduction in email traffic on the list but I have rece=
ntly posted questions on my TR4A wiper motor that were answered so there are=
 people out there contributing.
> Dave Connitt
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On May 7, 2023, at 11:57 PM, Greg Lemon <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> =EF=BB=BF
> Same problem here with Gmail, I never see my emails to the list come throu=
gh at all, and it seems like a third to two-thirds of the regular list traff=
ic goes to spam, but I agree that overall the number of users and posts seem=
s to be down.  Though in the early days I was on the Austin Healey list, so I=
 guess can't really speak to traffic then.
> =20
> Greg Lemon
> TR250
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> On Sun, May 7, 2023, 7:10 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
> On 5/7/23 7:43 AM, John Macartney wrote:
> > Looking back down the years, this list seems to have a far smaller popul=
ation than when I joined it in the nineties. Granted, we have had some sad d=
epartures as a result of anno domini etc, but is it now populated mostly by n=
on-contributing lurkers who have been here a long time, or has it seen many m=
igrations to other places - or what? Your thoughts / knowledge would be inte=
resting.
> >
> > Jonmac
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> I'm one of the few that was on the original British car mail list before=20=

> it got chopped up into marque lists who has become basically a lurker. I=20=

> think much is that Google has been putting Triumph list postings in its=20=

> junk file before I even see it. I just seem to be able to tell it that=20
> individual list member postings are not junk. I either never see=20
> postings from a lot of people or well after they posted it when I go=20
> into google mail to look for mail that is not junk. I don't have that=20
> problem with FOT mail. Google lets that one through real time.
>=20
> I seldom post because I really have nothing TR related to say or a=20
> thread is old by the time I pull it out of Google junk.
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> On the other hand Eureka has a 2 seater car gathering coming up on 10=20
> June. My TR3 intends to be there.
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> TeriAnn
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;[email-masked]=
.net&gt; <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Paul Tegler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 8, 2023 7:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR list traffic<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>last two message I tried to send the list were kicked back as undeliverab=
le.<br>
...wondering if this message will make it through<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>ptegler<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 5/8/2023 12:57 AM, Dave Connitt wrote:<o:p></o:p><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">There is a definite reduction in email traffic on the=
 list but I have recently posted questions on my TR4A wiper motor that were a=
nswered so there are people out there contributing.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dave Connitt<o:p></o:p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">On May 7, 2023, at 11:=
57 PM, Greg Lemon
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:<o:p>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=EF=BB=BF <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Same problem here with Gmail, I never see my emails t=
o the list come through at all, and it seems like a third to two-thirds of t=
he regular list traffic goes to spam, but I agree that overall the number of=
 users and posts seems to be down.&nbsp;
 Though in the early days I was on the Austin Healey list, so I guess can't r=
eally speak to traffic then.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Greg Lemon<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">TR250<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, May 7, 2023, 7:10 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 5/7/23 7:43 AM, John Macartney wrote:<br>
&gt; Looking back down the years, this list seems to have a far smaller popu=
lation than when I joined it in the nineties. Granted, we have had some sad d=
epartures as a result of anno domini etc, but is it now populated mostly by n=
on-contributing lurkers who have
 been here a long time, or has it seen many migrations to other places - or w=
hat? Your thoughts / knowledge would be interesting.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Jonmac<br>
<br>
I'm one of the few that was on the original British car mail list before <br=
it got chopped up into marque lists who has become basically a lurker. I <br=
think much is that Google has been putting Triumph list postings in its <br>=

junk file before I even see it. I just seem to be able to tell it that <br>
individual list member postings are not junk. I either never see <br>
postings from a lot of people or well after they posted it when I go <br>
into google mail to look for mail that is not junk. I don't have that <br>
problem with FOT mail. Google lets that one through real time.<br>
<br>
I seldom post because I really have nothing TR related to say or a <br>
thread is old by the time I pull it out of Google junk.<br>
<br>
On the other hand Eureka has a 2 seater car gathering coming up on 10 <br>
June. My TR3 intends to be there.<br>
<br>
TeriAnn<br>
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From: Hoyt Duff <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 14:19:34 -0400

On 5/8/23 8:35 AM, Hoyt Duff wrote:
>> Some of the emails wind up in my SPAM folder which is due, I am told,
>> to a misconfiguration of the maillist server that the owner will not
>> correct, not some nefarious plot of Google, this told to me from
>> UNIX/Linux IT professionals.

> Well that is some interesting news.  Wonder what "misconfiguration"
> those folks at google are talking about?

mjb.

Well, I was told this some 20+ years ago by a senior UNIX admin at
Raytheon or Grumman or one of those government contractors. We were
all member of the Tidewater UNIX Users Group. It seems that at the
time, one of his friends was a subscriber to the list, had this
problem and asked for his help. Apparently, it was a known but obscure
misconfiguration issue. When he contacted the mail list manager, he
was quickly rebuffed. When he told me this, rather than pursue it, I
just let it drop because what was the point then?

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From: Mark Bradakis <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 16:16:38 -0600

> just let it drop because what was the point then?

Interesting.  Since I have been the only 'mail list manager' since the 
list began, it must have been me he contacted.  But that was 20+ years 
ago, so if it was me, I certainly don't remember any such contact.

mjb.