Subject: Re: [TR] Dot 5 brake fluid

From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2023 13:03:25 +0000 (UTC)

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 My most recent purchase was from MOSS.
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From: [email-masked]
To: Triumphs <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Apr 27, 2023 7:43 am
Subject: [TR] Dot 5 brake fluid

Hello,

I need to get some dot 5 brake fluid but the brand TRF sold is no longer=20
stocked.

Anyone have a source for Blue Magic Dot 5? Or an alternative?

Thanks,

Bob

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<div> <font size="3">My most recent purchase was from MOSS.</font><br>
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From: [email-masked]<br>
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Sent: Thu, Apr 27, 2023 7:43 am<br>
Subject: [TR] Dot 5 brake fluid<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I need to get some dot 5 brake fluid but the brand TRF sold is no longer <br>
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<div dir="ltr">stocked.<br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr"><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Anyone have a source for Blue Magic Dot 5? Or an alternative?<br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">Thanks,<br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr"><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Bob<br>
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From: bill beecher <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2023 08:06:23 -0500

I get mine at the local NAPA store. 
Bill

“Shoot low sheriff, she’s riding a shetland” …B.Wills

On Apr 27, 2023, at 7:47 AM, [email-masked] wrote:

Hello,

I need to get some dot 5 brake fluid but the brand TRF sold is no longer stocked.

Thanks,

Bob

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Napa carries it,  as does o'Reilly.

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 4/27/23 8:08 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: Triumphs <[email-masked]>
Subject: [TR] Dot 5 brake fluid

Hello,

I need to get some dot 5 brake fluid but the brand TRF sold is no longer
stocked.

Thanks,

Bob

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<div>Date: 4/27/23 8:08 AM (GMT-06:00) </div>
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I need to get some dot 5 brake fluid but the brand TRF sold is no longer <b=
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stocked.<br>
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Anyone have a source for Blue Magic Dot 5? Or an alternative?<br>
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Thanks,<br>
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From: Don Hiscock <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2023 10:39:47 -0500

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The idea of a DOT standard is interchangeable compatibility, isn't it?  I'm
sure I've mixed various brands of brake fluid within a DOT class over the
years without a second thought.  I haven't had to add or change DOT5 on my
TR3B yet, but when I do I'll be sure to meet the standard and probably
won't give a thought to who made the original fluid.

There are only so many companies basic in silicones anyway, so it's quite
likely the same silicone oil in many producers' individual brands.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">The=
 idea of a DOT standard is interchangeable=C2=A0compatibility, isn&#39;t it=
?=C2=A0 I&#39;m sure I&#39;ve mixed various brands of brake fluid within a =
DOT class over the years without a second thought.=C2=A0 I haven&#39;t had =
to add or change DOT5 on my TR3B yet, but when I do I&#39;ll be sure to mee=
t the standard and probably won&#39;t give a thought to who made the origin=
al fluid.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">There are only =
so many companies basic=C2=A0in silicones anyway, so it&#39;s quite likely =
the same silicone oil in many producers&#39; individual brands.</div></div>=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu=
, Apr 27, 2023 at 7:54=E2=80=AFAM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
et">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,20=
4,204);padding-left:1ex">Hello,<br>
<br>
I need to get some dot 5 brake fluid but the brand TRF sold is no longer <b=
r>
stocked.<br>
<br>
Anyone have a source for Blue Magic Dot 5? Or an alternative?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2023 17:28:22 +0000

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Any DOT 5 (Silicone) brake fluid is interchangeable. I use Mac's from NAPA.=
 But never mix DOT 5 with DOT 3, 4 or 5.1 as they are incompatible.

Joel...

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Subject: Re: [TR] Dot 5 brake fluid

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 4/27/23 8:08 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: Triumphs <[email-masked]>
Subject: [TR] Dot 5 brake fluid

Hello,

Thanks,

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<div>Date: 4/27/23 8:08 AM (GMT-06:00) </div>
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I need to get some dot 5 brake fluid but the brand TRF sold is no longer <b=
r>
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<br>
Anyone have a source for Blue Magic Dot 5? Or an alternative?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2023 18:45:55 +0000 (UTC)

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 Some likely came off the same production line.=C2=A0 Different label and m=
aybe even a different bottle but same product.
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From: Don Hiscock <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Cc: Triumphs <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Apr 27, 2023 10:39 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Dot 5 brake fluid

The idea of a DOT standard is interchangeable=C2=A0compatibility, isn't it?=
=C2=A0 I'm sure I've mixed various brands of brake fluid within a DOT class=
 over the years without a second thought.=C2=A0 I haven't had to add or cha=
nge DOT5 on my TR3B yet, but when I do I'll be sure to meet the standard an=
d probably won't give a thought to who made the original fluid.
There are only so many companies basic=C2=A0in silicones anyway, so it's qu=
ite likely the same silicone oil in many producers' individual brands.
On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 7:54=E2=80=AFAM <[email-masked]> wrote:

Hello,

Thanks,

Bob

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<div> <font size=3D"3">Some likely came off the same production line.&nbsp;=
 Different label and maybe even a different bottle but same product.</font>=
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To: [email-masked]<br>
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Sent: Thu, Apr 27, 2023 10:39 am<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Dot 5 brake fluid<br>
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ea of a DOT standard is interchangeable&nbsp;compatibility, isn't it?&nbsp;=
 I'm sure I've mixed various brands of brake fluid within a DOT class over =
the years without a second thought.&nbsp; I haven't had to add or change DO=
T5 on my TR3B yet, but when I do I'll be sure to meet the standard and prob=
ably won't give a thought to who made the original fluid.</div>

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ear=3D"none"></div>

<div style=3D"font-size:small;" class=3D"yiv1645372229gmail_default">There =
are only so many companies basic&nbsp;in silicones anyway, so it's quite li=
kely the same silicone oil in many producers' individual brands.</div>
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"Dow Chemical Company, Wacker Chemie AG, Momentive Performance Materials
Inc., Shin-Etsu Chemical Co., Ltd., and Elkem Silicones, among others, are
the major players in the global silicones and siloxanes market."

source:
https://www.expertmarketresearch.com/articles/top-5-companies-in-the-global=
-silicones-and-siloxanes-market

Momentive is the former GE silicones business and Elkem, originally
Norwegian-owned, is now owned by a Chinese parent company.

On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 1:45=E2=80=AFPM DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]> w=
rote:

> Some likely came off the same production line.  Different label and maybe
> even a different bottle but same product.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> The idea of a DOT standard is interchangeable compatibility, isn't it?
> I'm sure I've mixed various brands of brake fluid within a DOT class over
> the years without a second thought.  I haven't had to add or change DOT5 =
on
> my TR3B yet, but when I do I'll be sure to meet the standard and probably
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]
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ot;Dow Chemical Company, Wacker Chemie AG, Momentive Performance Materials =
Inc., Shin-Etsu Chemical Co., Ltd., and Elkem Silicones, among others, are =
the major players in the global silicones and siloxanes market.&quot;</div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">source:=C2=A0=C2=A0<a href=3D"=
https://www.expertmarketresearch.com/articles/top-5-companies-in-the-global=
-silicones-and-siloxanes-market">https://www.expertmarketresearch.com/artic=
les/top-5-companies-in-the-global-silicones-and-siloxanes-market</a></div><=
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=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Momentive is the former GE sil=
icones business and Elkem, originally Norwegian-owned, is now owned by a Ch=
inese parent company.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 1:45=E2=80=AFPM DAVID MA=
SSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
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<div> <font size=3D"3">Some likely came off the same production line.=C2=A0=
 Different label and maybe even a different bottle but same product.</font>=
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From: Don Hiscock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">yellowtr@ade=
lphia.net</a><br>
Cc: Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
k">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Thu, Apr 27, 2023 10:39 am<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Dot 5 brake fluid<br>
<br>

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<div style=3D"font-size:small">The idea of a DOT standard is interchangeabl=
e=C2=A0compatibility, isn&#39;t it?=C2=A0 I&#39;m sure I&#39;ve mixed vario=
us brands of brake fluid within a DOT class over the years without a second=
 thought.=C2=A0 I haven&#39;t had to add or change DOT5 on my TR3B yet, but=
 when I do I&#39;ll be sure to meet the standard and probably won&#39;t giv=
e a thought to who made the original fluid.</div>

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<div style=3D"font-size:small">There are only so many companies basic=C2=A0=
in silicones anyway, so it&#39;s quite likely the same silicone oil in many=
 producers&#39; individual brands.</div>
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llow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
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I need to get some dot 5 brake fluid but the brand TRF sold is no longer <b=
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stocked.<br clear=3D"none">
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Anyone have a source for Blue Magic Dot 5? Or an alternative?<br clear=3D"n=
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The nomenclature around DOT5 (silicone) and DOT5.1 (glycol) never made any
sense to me...

On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 1:58=E2=80=AFPM Joel Justin <[email-masked]> w=
rote:

> Any DOT 5 (Silicone) brake fluid is interchangeable. I use Mac's from
> NAPA. But never mix DOT 5 with DOT 3, 4 or 5.1 as they are incompatible.
>
> Joel...
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* dave northrup <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 27, 2023 7:20 AM
> *To:* [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; Triumphs <
> [email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Dot 5 brake fluid
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">The=
 nomenclature around DOT5 (silicone) and DOT5.1 (glycol) never made any sen=
se to me...</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" clas=
s=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 1:58=E2=80=AFPM Joel Justin &lt;<a=
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
Any DOT 5 (Silicone) brake fluid is interchangeable. I use Mac&#39;s from N=
APA. But never mix DOT 5 with DOT 3, 4 or 5.1 as they are incompatible.</di=
v>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:14pt;color=
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Joel...</div>
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ave northrup &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">dave=
@ranteer.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 27, 2023 7:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">yello=
[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triu=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Dot 5 brake fluid</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Napa carries it,=C2=A0 as does o&#39;Reilly.
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<div>Date: 4/27/23 8:08 AM (GMT-06:00) </div>
<div>To: Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; </div>
<div>Subject: [TR] Dot 5 brake fluid </div>
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<div>Hello,<br>
<br>
I need to get some dot 5 brake fluid but the brand TRF sold is no longer <b=
r>
stocked.<br>
<br>
Anyone have a source for Blue Magic Dot 5? Or an alternative?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
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On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 3:32=E2=80=AFPM Don Hiscock <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:

> The nomenclature around DOT5 (silicone) and DOT5.1 (glycol) never made an=
y
> sense to me...

The stupidest decision imaginable.  Why not DOT6? Or DOT4.1? Just
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PM Don Hiscock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">don.hiscock@gma=
il.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left=
:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-size:small">The nomenclature arou=
nd DOT5 (silicone) and DOT5.1 (glycol) never made any sense to me...</div><=
/div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The stupidest decision imaginable.=C2=
=A0 Why not DOT6? Or DOT4.1? Just ridiculous.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><di=
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Well Phil,=20

it is an engineering thing called =E2=80=9Cminimum standards=E2=80=9D =
because when hydraulicly actuated brakes were first designed, anyone =
would put literally any liquid from boiled horse piss to castor oil in =
the hydraulic system without regard to cause and effect, and that of =
course caused people to get injured or die or cause major property =
damage when the brake line failed or the fluid boiled.  So much so that =
the government had to step in and regulate the automotive industry and =
establish minimum standards.

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DOT numbers typically reflect changes in the minimum standards.

=20

When you buy fluids for a =E2=80=9Cmodern=E2=80=9D car (mid 60=E2=80=99s =
onward), they specify the SAE standard number with its quoted release =
date.

It is the same for motor oil.  Most people buy their motor oil by the =
brand and viscosity rating like Valvoline 10W30 or Castrol 20W50, but =
the way people should buy their Motor oil is by the SAE specification, =
SAE Service range and equipment ambient temperature operating ranges as =
established by the vehicle manufacturer, and as stated in the =
owner=E2=80=99s manuals and TSB updates from the manufacturer.=20

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So when people argue about which brake fluid or motor oil is better, =
=E2=80=9Cbetter=E2=80=9D is a relative term.  Each J170x standard =
represents improvements in the brake fluid formulations mostly designed =
for higher boiling temperatures and more consistent viscosity to reduce =
the potential of cavitation.

=20

DOT 4 was created to reduce the potential of the fluid to cavitate when =
passing through a rapidly stroking valve in the ABS system.

=20

For an LBC, my experience is either use Castrol LMA DOT3 Crimson, or =
DOT5, because you do simply do not know what the seals in the system are =
made of and those two fluids seem to not cause seal deterioration of =
seals made of a wide range of rubber materials =E2=80=93 in my =
experience. =20

My personal preference is DOT 5 (purple) because it does not eat my =
paint, I know it will not react with my seals, it has a higher boiling =
temperature than DOT 3, and is not hygroscopic which would cause water =
to pool at the system low points right at the seal to metal location and =
cause corrosion.

=20

Let the =E2=80=9Cfluif=E2=80=9D arguments continue!

=20

Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage

=20

From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Philip =
Ethier
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2023 2:09 PM
To: Don Hiscock <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]; Joel Justin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] Dot 5 brake fluid

=20

=20

=20

On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 3:32=E2=80=AFPM Don Hiscock =

The nomenclature around DOT5 (silicone) and DOT5.1 (glycol) never made =
any sense to me...

=20

The stupidest decision imaginable.  Why not DOT6? Or DOT4.1? Just =
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class=3DMsoNormal>it is an engineering thing called =E2=80=9Cminimum =
standards=E2=80=9D because when hydraulicly actuated brakes were first =
designed, anyone would put literally any liquid from boiled horse piss =
to castor oil in the hydraulic system without regard to cause and =
effect, and that of course caused people to get injured or die or cause =
major property damage when the brake line failed or the fluid =
boiled.=C2=A0 So much so that the government had to step in and regulate =
the automotive industry and establish minimum =
standards.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>DOT numbers typically reflect changes in the minimum =
standards.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>When you buy fluids for a =E2=80=9Cmodern=E2=80=9D car =
(mid 60=E2=80=99s onward), they specify the SAE standard number with its =
quoted release date.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>It is the same =
for motor oil.=C2=A0 Most people buy their motor oil by the brand and =
viscosity rating like Valvoline 10W30 or Castrol 20W50, but the way =
people should buy their Motor oil is by the SAE specification, SAE =
Service range and equipment ambient temperature operating ranges as =
established by the vehicle manufacturer, and as stated in the =
owner=E2=80=99s manuals and TSB updates from the manufacturer. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>So when people argue about which brake fluid or motor =
oil is better, =E2=80=9Cbetter=E2=80=9D is a relative term.=C2=A0 Each =
J170x standard represents improvements in the brake fluid formulations =
mostly designed for higher boiling temperatures and more consistent =
viscosity to reduce the potential of cavitation.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>DOT 4 was =
created to reduce the potential of the fluid to cavitate when passing =
through a rapidly stroking valve in the ABS system.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>For an LBC, =
my experience is either use Castrol LMA DOT3 Crimson, or DOT5, because =
you do simply do not know what the seals in the system are made of and =
those two fluids seem to not cause seal deterioration of seals made of a =
wide range of rubber materials =E2=80=93 in my experience.=C2=A0 =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>My personal preference is DOT 5 =
(purple) because it does not eat my paint, I know it will not react with =
my seals, it has a higher boiling temperature than DOT 3, and is not =
hygroscopic which would cause water to pool at the system low points =
right at the seal to metal location and cause =
corrosion.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Let the =E2=80=9Cfluif=E2=80=9D arguments =
continue!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Triumphs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Philip =
Ethier<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 29, 2023 2:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
Don Hiscock &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]; Joel Justin =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Dot 5 brake =
fluid<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 3:32=E2=80=AFPM Don Hiscock &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>The nomenclature =
around DOT5 (silicone) and DOT5.1 (glycol) never made any sense to =
me...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The stupidest decision imaginable.&nbsp; Why not DOT6? =
Or DOT4.1? Just ridiculous.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></bo=
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Must be the same guys that when I asked for 3=E2=80=99 for =
=C2=BC=E2=80=9D fuel line needed to know what model/year car it was for.

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From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
auprichard uprichard.net
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2023 3:49 PM
To: Philip Ethier <[email-masked]>; Don Hiscock =
<[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]; Joel Justin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] Dot 5 brake fluid

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I recently went into TWO auto parts stores looking for DOT 5.  In both =
cases the guy pointed me to the 5.1.  When I explained they were =
different, both guys (remember, this is two different shops) argued that =
5.1 was the same as 5.0.

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I guess the confusion is widespread.

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From: Triumphs <[email-masked] =
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2023 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] Dot 5 brake fluid

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Must be the same guys that when I asked for =
3=E2=80=99 for =C2=BC=E2=80=9D fuel line needed to know what model/year =
car it was for.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>B<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Triumphs =
[mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>auprichard =
uprichard.net<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 29, 2023 3:49 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Philip Ethier &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Don Hiscock =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> [email-masked]; =
Joel Justin &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Dot =
5 brake fluid<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>I recently =
went into TWO auto parts stores looking for DOT 5.&nbsp; In both cases =
the guy pointed me to the 5.1.&nbsp; When I explained they were =
different, both guys (remember, this is two different shops) argued that =
5.1 was the same as 5.0.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>I guess the confusion is =
widespread.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
am.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Philip Ethier<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Saturday, April 29, 2023 4:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> Don Hiscock &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b=
>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>; =
Joel Justin &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Sub=
ject:</b> Re: [TR] Dot 5 brake fluid<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 3:32=E2=80=AFPM Don Hiscock &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
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DOT5.1 (glycol) never made any sense to =
me...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The stupidest decision imaginable.&nbsp; Why not DOT6? =
Or DOT4.1? Just ridiculous.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></bo=
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