Subject: Re: [TR] Isn’t today JBs birthday

From: Don Hiscock <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2023 06:23:43 -0600

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Jonmac, did you ever have a chance to be in a room or at some event with
Sir John?  Seems like with your and especially your father's long
association with S-T that might have happened at some time.  There can't be
many in this group who could say that...

On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 4:31 AM John Macartney <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> February 10th is the day. I no longer have a Standard or Triumph car to
> drive, but I still celebrated the event. I drove my large convertible of
> Swedish origin to his former home near where I live which for many years
> has been a *very* expensive hotel and restaurant. Mindful of our stringen=
t
> UK laws relating to DUI, I resisted the temptation for a pint of my
> favourite brew but enjoyed an excellent cup of freshly brewed coffee. The=
n
> I paid the check. Frightening! Nonetheless it was worth the trip. You can
> find out more about the venue at www.mallory.co.uk
>
> Jonmac
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Jon=
mac, did you ever have a chance to be in a room or at some event with Sir J=
ohn?=C2=A0 Seems like with your and especially your father&#39;s long assoc=
iation with S-T that might have happened at some time.=C2=A0 There can&#39;=
t be many in this group who could say that...</div></div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at =
4:31 AM John Macartney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">johnbm=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pa=
dding-left:1ex">February 10th is the day. I no longer have a Standard or Tr=
iumph car to drive, but I still celebrated the event. I drove my large conv=
ertible of Swedish origin to his former home near where I live which for ma=
ny years has been a *very* expensive hotel and restaurant. Mindful of our s=
tringent UK laws relating to DUI, I resisted the temptation for a pint of m=
y favourite brew but enjoyed an excellent cup of freshly brewed coffee. The=
n I paid the check. Frightening! Nonetheless it was worth the trip. You can=
 find out more about the venue at <a href=3D"http://www.mallory.co.uk" rel=
=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">www.mallory.co.uk</a><br>
<br>
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From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2023 16:54:31 +0000

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Hi, Don,

I met Sir John on many occasions, though only as a child. When Dad left Stan=
dard (temporarily in 1945 on health grounds - he had seven duodenal ulcers) B=
lack was a regular visitor at our home, usually on his way home. He arrived i=
n late 1944 just after my birth and said =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99ve come to see t=
he son and heir. I hope I=E2=80=99m not too late?=E2=80=9D to which my mothe=
r replied, =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99m sorry Sir John, but you=E2=80=99re too late.=
 He was put to bed an hour ago and cannot be disturbed=E2=80=9D.
As Ma said on several occasions in later years, =E2=80=9Cthat was the only t=
ime I ever refused him and he was as meek and apologetic as a lamb.=E2=80=9D=

But he came on many other occasions as I grew older and I remember him as ki=
nd, generous and very interested in my progress at school - about which the l=
ess said the better.
John Black has not enjoyed a favourable press, mainly from Graham Robson, wh=
o never knew him AFAIK, and who has most unjustly portrayed Black as an ogre=
 and =E2=80=9Ca man with a Stalinist management style=E2=80=9D. When I worke=
d at Standard Triumph in the 60s, many of my colleagues at all levels were l=
ongstanding supporters and advocates of their former boss and wouldn=E2=80=99=
t hear anything to his discredit. Yes, he had mood swings, yes he could be a=
n absolute s**t if the mood took him and he certainly didn=E2=80=99t suffer f=
ools. But he was fair, kind and took a detailed interest in every employee, m=
ost of whom he knew by name and he also knew a great deal about them. This i=
s largely because he made a point of going anywhere in the plant on a daily b=
asis quite alone and talked to everyone he met. Additionally, on Mondays he m=
ade a point of welcoming new intake at their workstation. On Fridays, he vis=
ited every employee who was leaving, wished them good luck and if they had p=
erformed their jobs well, he assured them another job at Standard would be f=
ound if their new job didn=E2=80=99t work out.
It was those little things - and so many more about the man - that endeared h=
im to so many on aspects of an amazing man who Graham Robson has grossly and=
 unjustly misrepresented on many times in print.
I well remember Blacks memorial service in Coventry Cathedral in Jan 1965. M=
ore than sixty years later, that service is still a landmark event in the bu=
ilding history because the number of attendees vastly exceeded those who wer=
e there when members of our Royal Family were present. They crammed more tha=
n 5000 Standard Triumph employees and retirees in the building and there wer=
e another 2000 odd outside sheltering from a blizzard. People don=E2=80=99t t=
urn out in those numbers in bad weather and the cold because they=E2=80=99ve=
 nothing better to do. They were there because a certain man had helped them=
 enjoy a better life or had done something for them as individuals that they=
 never forgot. That=E2=80=99s some epitaph!
As an aside, I do a range of talks in the UK on a number of different automo=
tive subjects and automotive people for clubs and societies and on the peopl=
e side, it=E2=80=99s about 50/50 in the popularity stakes between William Mo=
rris (Lord Nuffield, another amazing man and philanthropist) and Sir John Bl=
ack. I look forward to the day when the scales tip 60/40 in favour of Sir Jo=
hn.

Cheers, Jonmac

Sent from a piece of electronic papyrus I found in King Tut=E2=80=99s tomb

> On 11 Feb 2023, at 12:23, Don Hiscock <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Jonmac, did you ever have a chance to be in a room or at some event with S=
ir John?  Seems like with your and especially your father's long association=
 with S-T that might have happened at some time.  There can't be many in thi=
s group who could say that...
>=20
>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 4:31 AM John Macartney <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
>> February 10th is the day. I no longer have a Standard or Triumph car to d=
rive, but I still celebrated the event. I drove my large convertible of Swed=
ish origin to his former home near where I live which for many years has bee=
n a *very* expensive hotel and restaurant. Mindful of our stringent UK laws r=
elating to DUI, I resisted the temptation for a pint of my favourite brew bu=
t enjoyed an excellent cup of freshly brewed coffee. Then I paid the check. =
Frightening! Nonetheless it was worth the trip. You can find out more about t=
he venue at www.mallory.co.uk
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Hi, Don,<div><br></div><div>I met Sir John o=
n many occasions, though only as a child. When Dad left Standard (temporaril=
y in 1945 on health grounds - he had seven duodenal ulcers) Black was a regu=
lar visitor at our home, usually on his way home. He arrived in late 1944 ju=
st after my birth and said =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99ve come to see the son and hei=
r. I hope I=E2=80=99m not too late?=E2=80=9D to which my mother replied, =E2=
=80=9CI=E2=80=99m sorry Sir John, but you=E2=80=99re too late. He was put to=
 bed an hour ago and cannot be disturbed=E2=80=9D.</div><div>As Ma said on s=
everal occasions in later years, =E2=80=9Cthat was the only time I ever refu=
sed him and he was as meek and apologetic as a lamb.=E2=80=9D</div><div>But h=
e came on many other occasions as I grew older and I remember him as kind, g=
enerous and very interested in my progress at school - about which the less s=
aid the better.</div><div>John Black has not enjoyed a favourable press, mai=
nly from Graham Robson, who never knew him AFAIK, and who has most unjustly p=
ortrayed Black as an ogre and =E2=80=9Ca man with a Stalinist management sty=
le=E2=80=9D. When I worked at Standard Triumph in the 60s, many of my collea=
gues at all levels were longstanding supporters and advocates of their forme=
r boss and wouldn=E2=80=99t hear anything to his discredit. Yes, he had mood=
 swings, yes he could be an absolute s**t if the mood took him and he certai=
nly didn=E2=80=99t suffer fools. But he was fair, kind and took a detailed i=
nterest in every employee, most of whom he knew by name and he also knew a g=
reat deal about them. This is largely because he made a point of going anywh=
ere in the plant on a daily basis quite alone and talked to everyone he met.=
 Additionally, on Mondays he made a point of welcoming new intake at their w=
orkstation. On Fridays, he visited every employee who was leaving, wished th=
em good luck and if they had performed their jobs well, he assured them anot=
her job at Standard would be found if their new job didn=E2=80=99t work out.=
</div><div>It was those little things - and so many more about the man - tha=
t endeared him to so many on aspects of an amazing man who Graham Robson has=
 grossly and unjustly misrepresented on many times in print.</div><div>I wel=
l remember Blacks memorial service in Coventry Cathedral in Jan 1965. More t=
han sixty years later, that service is still a landmark event in the buildin=
g history because the number of attendees vastly exceeded those who were the=
re when members of our Royal Family were present. They crammed more than 500=
0 Standard Triumph employees and retirees in the building and there were ano=
ther 2000 odd outside sheltering from a blizzard. People don=E2=80=99t turn o=
ut in those numbers in bad weather and the cold because they=E2=80=99ve noth=
ing better to do. They were there because a certain man had helped them enjo=
y a better life or had done something for them as individuals that they neve=
r forgot. That=E2=80=99s some epitaph!<br>As an aside, I do a range of talks=
 in the UK on a number of different automotive subjects and automotive peopl=
e for clubs and societies and on the people side, it=E2=80=99s about 50/50 i=
n the popularity stakes between William Morris (Lord Nuffield, another amazi=
ng man and philanthropist) and Sir John Black. I look forward to the day whe=
n the scales tip 60/40 in favour of Sir John.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheer=
s, Jonmac<br><br><br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Sent fro=
m a piece of electronic papyrus I found in King Tut=E2=80=99s tomb</div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 11 Feb 2023, at 12:23, Don Hiscock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Jonmac, did you ever have a chance to b=
e in a room or at some event with Sir John?&nbsp; Seems like with your and e=
specially your father's long association with S-T that might have happened a=
t some time.&nbsp; There can't be many in this group who could say that...</=
div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_att=
r">On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 4:31 AM John Macartney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:john=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px s=
olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">February 10th is the day. I no longe=
r have a Standard or Triumph car to drive, but I still celebrated the event.=
 I drove my large convertible of Swedish origin to his former home near wher=
e I live which for many years has been a *very* expensive hotel and restaura=
nt. Mindful of our stringent UK laws relating to DUI, I resisted the temptat=
ion for a pint of my favourite brew but enjoyed an excellent cup of freshly b=
rewed coffee. Then I paid the check. Frightening! Nonetheless it was worth t=
he trip. You can find out more about the venue at <a href=3D"http://www.mall=
ory.co.uk" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">www.mallory.co.uk</a><br>
<br>
Jonmac<br>
<br>
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From: Jim Henningsen <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2023 13:35:48 -0500

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Great story!  Thank you for sharing. Jim Henningsen=20

> On Feb 11, 2023, at 12:18 PM, John Macartney <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFHi, Don,
>=20
> I met Sir John on many occasions, though only as a child. When Dad left St=
andard (temporarily in 1945 on health grounds - he had seven duodenal ulcers=
) Black was a regular visitor at our home, usually on his way home. He arriv=
ed in late 1944 just after my birth and said =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99ve come to s=
ee the son and heir. I hope I=E2=80=99m not too late?=E2=80=9D to which my m=
other replied, =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99m sorry Sir John, but you=E2=80=99re too l=
ate. He was put to bed an hour ago and cannot be disturbed=E2=80=9D.
> As Ma said on several occasions in later years, =E2=80=9Cthat was the only=
 time I ever refused him and he was as meek and apologetic as a lamb.=E2=80=9D=

> But he came on many other occasions as I grew older and I remember him as k=
ind, generous and very interested in my progress at school - about which the=
 less said the better.
> John Black has not enjoyed a favourable press, mainly from Graham Robson, w=
ho never knew him AFAIK, and who has most unjustly portrayed Black as an ogr=
e and =E2=80=9Ca man with a Stalinist management style=E2=80=9D. When I work=
ed at Standard Triumph in the 60s, many of my colleagues at all levels were l=
ongstanding supporters and advocates of their former boss and wouldn=E2=80=99=
t hear anything to his discredit. Yes, he had mood swings, yes he could be a=
n absolute s**t if the mood took him and he certainly didn=E2=80=99t suffer f=
ools. But he was fair, kind and took a detailed interest in every employee, m=
ost of whom he knew by name and he also knew a great deal about them. This i=
s largely because he made a point of going anywhere in the plant on a daily b=
asis quite alone and talked to everyone he met. Additionally, on Mondays he m=
ade a point of welcoming new intake at their workstation. On Fridays, he vis=
ited every employee who was leaving, wished them good luck and if they had p=
erformed their jobs well, he assured them another job at Standard would be f=
ound if their new job didn=E2=80=99t work out.
> It was those little things - and so many more about the man - that endeare=
d him to so many on aspects of an amazing man who Graham Robson has grossly a=
nd unjustly misrepresented on many times in print.
> I well remember Blacks memorial service in Coventry Cathedral in Jan 1965.=
 More than sixty years later, that service is still a landmark event in the b=
uilding history because the number of attendees vastly exceeded those who we=
re there when members of our Royal Family were present. They crammed more th=
an 5000 Standard Triumph employees and retirees in the building and there we=
re another 2000 odd outside sheltering from a blizzard. People don=E2=80=99t=
 turn out in those numbers in bad weather and the cold because they=E2=80=99=
ve nothing better to do. They were there because a certain man had helped th=
em enjoy a better life or had done something for them as individuals that th=
ey never forgot. That=E2=80=99s some epitaph!
> As an aside, I do a range of talks in the UK on a number of different auto=
motive subjects and automotive people for clubs and societies and on the peo=
ple side, it=E2=80=99s about 50/50 in the popularity stakes between William M=
orris (Lord Nuffield, another amazing man and philanthropist) and Sir John B=
lack. I look forward to the day when the scales tip 60/40 in favour of Sir J=
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Gre=
at story! &nbsp;Thank you for sharing. Jim Henningsen&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Feb 11, 2023, at 12:18 PM, John Macar=
tney &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"content-typ=
e" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Hi, Don,<div><br></div><div>I met S=
ir John on many occasions, though only as a child. When Dad left Standard (t=
emporarily in 1945 on health grounds - he had seven duodenal ulcers) Black w=
as a regular visitor at our home, usually on his way home. He arrived in lat=
e 1944 just after my birth and said =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99ve come to see the so=
n and heir. I hope I=E2=80=99m not too late?=E2=80=9D to which my mother rep=
lied, =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99m sorry Sir John, but you=E2=80=99re too late. He w=
as put to bed an hour ago and cannot be disturbed=E2=80=9D.</div><div>As Ma s=
aid on several occasions in later years, =E2=80=9Cthat was the only time I e=
ver refused him and he was as meek and apologetic as a lamb.=E2=80=9D</div><=
div>But he came on many other occasions as I grew older and I remember him a=
s kind, generous and very interested in my progress at school - about which t=
he less said the better.</div><div>John Black has not enjoyed a favourable p=
ress, mainly from Graham Robson, who never knew him AFAIK, and who has most u=
njustly portrayed Black as an ogre and =E2=80=9Ca man with a Stalinist manag=
ement style=E2=80=9D. When I worked at Standard Triumph in the 60s, many of m=
y colleagues at all levels were longstanding supporters and advocates of the=
ir former boss and wouldn=E2=80=99t hear anything to his discredit. Yes, he h=
ad mood swings, yes he could be an absolute s**t if the mood took him and he=
 certainly didn=E2=80=99t suffer fools. But he was fair, kind and took a det=
ailed interest in every employee, most of whom he knew by name and he also k=
new a great deal about them. This is largely because he made a point of goin=
g anywhere in the plant on a daily basis quite alone and talked to everyone h=
e met. Additionally, on Mondays he made a point of welcoming new intake at t=
heir workstation. On Fridays, he visited every employee who was leaving, wis=
hed them good luck and if they had performed their jobs well, he assured the=
m another job at Standard would be found if their new job didn=E2=80=99t wor=
k out.</div><div>It was those little things - and so many more about the man=
 - that endeared him to so many on aspects of an amazing man who Graham Robs=
on has grossly and unjustly misrepresented on many times in print.</div><div=
ore than sixty years later, that service is still a landmark event in the bu=
ilding history because the number of attendees vastly exceeded those who wer=
e there when members of our Royal Family were present. They crammed more tha=
n 5000 Standard Triumph employees and retirees in the building and there wer=
e another 2000 odd outside sheltering from a blizzard. People don=E2=80=99t t=
urn out in those numbers in bad weather and the cold because they=E2=80=99ve=
 nothing better to do. They were there because a certain man had helped them=
 enjoy a better life or had done something for them as individuals that they=
 never forgot. That=E2=80=99s some epitaph!<br>As an aside, I do a range of t=
alks in the UK on a number of different automotive subjects and automotive p=
eople for clubs and societies and on the people side, it=E2=80=99s about 50/=
50 in the popularity stakes between William Morris (Lord Nuffield, another a=
mazing man and philanthropist) and Sir John Black. I look forward to the day=
 when the scales tip 60/40 in favour of Sir John.</div><div><br></div><div>C=
heers, Jonmac<br><br><br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Sent=
 from a piece of electronic papyrus I found in King Tut=E2=80=99s tomb</div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 11 Feb 2023, at 12:23, Don Hiscock &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></di=
v><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Jonmac, did you ever have a chance t=
o be in a room or at some event with Sir John?&nbsp; Seems like with your an=
d especially your father's long association with S-T that might have happene=
d at some time.&nbsp; There can't be many in this group who could say that..=
.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_=
attr">On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 4:31 AM John Macartney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:j=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1p=
x solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">February 10th is the day. I no lo=
nger have a Standard or Triumph car to drive, but I still celebrated the eve=
nt. I drove my large convertible of Swedish origin to his former home near w=
here I live which for many years has been a *very* expensive hotel and resta=
urant. Mindful of our stringent UK laws relating to DUI, I resisted the temp=
tation for a pint of my favourite brew but enjoyed an excellent cup of fresh=
ly brewed coffee. Then I paid the check. Frightening! Nonetheless it was wor=
th the trip. You can find out more about the venue at <a href=3D"http://www.=
mallory.co.uk" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">www.mallory.co.uk</a><br=
<br>
Jonmac<br>
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From: bill beecher <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2023 13:21:17 -0600

John,
You are not alone by driving the family tin-top, too cold and rainy for the faithful TR3. 
Are you sure you didn’t spend the afternoon in their lively spa?

Cheers ,
Bill
TS30800L

“Shoot low sheriff, she’s riding a shetland” …B.Wills

On Feb 11, 2023, at 4:24 AM, John Macartney <[email-masked]> wrote:

February 10th is the day. I no longer have a Standard or Triumph car to drive, but I still celebrated the event. I drove my large convertible of Swedish origin to his former home near where I live which for many years has been a *very* expensive hotel and restaurant. Mindful of our stringent UK laws relating to DUI, I resisted the temptation for a pint of my favourite brew but enjoyed an excellent cup of freshly brewed coffee. Then I paid the check. Frightening! Nonetheless it was worth the trip. You can find out more about the venue at www.mallory.co.uk

Jonmac

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I=E2=80=99ve already received over 500 emails with photos.  Not only a =
bunch of photos from the British Motor Museum in Gaydon Warwickshire =
England as they hosted a DYTD event, they rolled out the oldest =
surviving Triumph.  A 1923 10/20.

I=E2=80=99ve received several photos from South Africa, Australia, New =
Zealand, Finland, Germany, Netherlands, and the UK.  Today photos are =
coming in from Canada and the USA. This is my favorite photo so far from =
South Africa with Zebras!

I=E2=80=99ve also received several photos of cars snug in the garage =
hibernating, which is perfect.  If there is salty roads or what ever, =
many participated anyway which is great

With that said, this YouTube tops everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D63L88arPGms =
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D63L88arPGms>

If you took a photo yesterday on February 10th, send it to =
be included with the photo collection from around the world.

Regards,

Rye Livingston
Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club

> On Feb 11, 2023, at 2:20 AM, John Macartney <[email-masked]> =
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to drive, but I still celebrated the event. I drove my large convertible =
of Swedish origin to his former home near where I live which for many =
years has been a *very* expensive hotel and restaurant. Mindful of our =
stringent UK laws relating to DUI, I resisted the temptation for a pint =
of my favourite brew but enjoyed an excellent cup of freshly brewed =
coffee. Then I paid the check. Frightening! Nonetheless it was worth the =
trip. You can find out more about the venue at www.mallory.co.uk
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&nbsp;Not only a bunch of photos from the British Motor Museum in Gaydon =
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 class=3D""></div><div>I=E2=80=99ve received several photos from South =
Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Finland, Germany, Netherlands, and the =
UK. &nbsp;Today photos are coming in from Canada and the USA. This is my =
favorite photo so far from South Africa with Zebras!</div><div><img =
apple-inline=3D"yes" id=3D"E80BE412-0758-4068-9BF7-810BC9E9D46D" =
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snug in the garage hibernating, which is perfect. &nbsp;If there is =
salty roads or what ever, many participated anyway which is =
great</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>With that said, this YouTube =
tops everything.</div><div><a =
href=3D"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D63L88arPGms" =
class=3D"">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D63L88arPGms</a></div><div><br=
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for many years has been a *very* expensive hotel and restaurant. Mindful =
of our stringent UK laws relating to DUI, I resisted the temptation for =
a pint of my favourite brew but enjoyed an excellent cup of freshly =
brewed coffee. Then I paid the check. Frightening! Nonetheless it was =
worth the trip. You can find out more about the venue at <a =
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always enjoy looking through the collection to see who took the time to =
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Wow =E2=80=93 I hope that red TR4 in Ottawa got a good, warm bath after =
that snowy, rainy drive. Now, that=E2=80=99s determination!

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Alex Thomson

Woodbury, CT.

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From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Rye =
Livingston
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2023 3:03 PM
To: John Macartney
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] Isn=E2=80=99t today JBs birthday

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D63L88arPGms

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from around the world.

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Regards,

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Rye Livingston

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February 10th is the day. I no longer have a Standard or Triumph car to =
drive, but I still celebrated the event. I drove my large convertible of =
Swedish origin to his former home near where I live which for many years =
has been a *very* expensive hotel and restaurant. Mindful of our =
stringent UK laws relating to DUI, I resisted the temptation for a pint =
of my favourite brew but enjoyed an excellent cup of freshly brewed =
coffee. Then I paid the check. Frightening! Nonetheless it was worth the =
trip. You can find out more about the venue at www.mallory.co.uk

Jonmac

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style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Wow =E2=80=93 =
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rainy drive. Now, that=E2=80=99s determination!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alex =
Thomson<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Woodbury, =
CT.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Rye Livingston<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 11, 2023 3:03 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> John Macartney<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Isn=E2=80=99t today =
JBs birthday<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99ve =
already received over 500 emails with photos. &nbsp;Not only a bunch of =
photos from the British Motor Museum in Gaydon Warwickshire England as =
they hosted a DYTD event, they rolled out the oldest surviving Triumph. =
&nbsp;A 1923 10/20.<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><img =
width=3D640 height=3D288 id=3DD2728371-C719-4C18-A290-407FF8DC5EC0 =
src=3D"cid:[email-masked]"><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99ve received several photos from South =
Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Finland, Germany, Netherlands, and the =
UK. &nbsp;Today photos are coming in from Canada and the USA. This is my =
favorite photo so far from South Africa with =
Zebras!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><img width=3D640 =
height=3D384 id=3DE80BE412-0758-4068-9BF7-810BC9E9D46D =
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class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99ve also received several photos of cars snug =
in the garage hibernating, which is perfect. &nbsp;If there is salty =
roads or what ever, many participated anyway which is =
great<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal>With that said, this YouTube tops =
everything.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D63L88arPGms">https://www.youtub=
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class=3DMsoNormal>If you took a photo yesterday on February 10th, send =
it to <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
om</a>&nbsp;to be included with the photo collection from around the =
world.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal>Rye Livingston<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Triumph Travelers Sports Car =
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temptation for a pint of my favourite brew but enjoyed an excellent cup =
of freshly brewed coffee. Then I paid the check. Frightening! =
Nonetheless it was worth the trip. You can find out more about the venue =
at <a =
href=3D"http://www.mallory.co.uk">www.mallory.co.uk</a><br><br>Jonmac<br>=
<br>Sent from a piece of electronic papyrus I found in King =
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From: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 08:57:24 -0500

My 3 TRs are in the garage asleep until at least early April. Sort of 
like bears in winter.

But back when I started with Triumphs in 1968, I used to drive my 3 all 
winter. It was real good in the snow believe it or not. Heater was ok to 
defrost the windshield.

Bob

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From: Rye Livingston <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 08:56:26 -0800

Did you take a photo of your TR3s hibernating?  I’ve received several photos like that from Germany, Finland and the UK, Canada and the US.  Some with the garage door open and snow outside.

Rye

> On Feb 13, 2023, at 5:57 AM, [email-masked] wrote:
> 
> My 3 TRs are in the garage asleep until at least early April. Sort of like bears in winter.
> 
> But back when I started with Triumphs in 1968, I used to drive my 3 all winter. It was real good in the snow believe it or not. Heater was ok to defrost the windshield.
> 
> Bob
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