Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 vs 240 Z

From: Bob <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:44:39 -0500

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Both the TR6 and the 240Z suffered from rust in the NE with roads 
covered with sand and salt. My 72 6 was a perfect example. I spent a ton 
of time cutting and welding/brazing both the body and the frame. But in 
the end it was more solid than its original. And thanks to Ted with his 
frame strengthening kit.  The Z however was uni-body. A good friend had 
one and it basically fell apart in the early 80's. He took it to a frame 
shop and they couldnt do a thing with it. And there is no way to restore 
it. At least on the 6, if the frame was shot, you could to to a junk 
yard and pick up one in decent shape, same with the fenders/ doors etc.

I do see one Z at car shows but I am sure it is not a NE car. I do see 
quite a few 6's though. One thing that the Z had better on the engine 
were the carbs. A SU clone made by Hitachi. I fitted  a pair on my 72 as 
I was not a fan of the ZS. They have been trouble free for over 15 years.

Bob

On 2/4/23 1:12 PM, dave northrup wrote:
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> Or, as they would say in England, TR6 vs 240 Zed
>
> Fun article
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> https://www.classicandsportscar.com/features/datsun-240z-vs-triumph-tr6-battle-america?utm_source=sfmc&utm_term=StoryImageTwo&utm_content=17115&utm_id=e9c3ec75-bab4-4bdf-b31f-3626fa20d1e3&sfmc_id=36122111&sfmc_activityid=100153f9-7a43-49c8-bb22-d4036a4de400&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_04_02_2023
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    <p>Both the TR6 and the 240Z suffered from rust in the NE with roads
      covered with sand and salt. My 72 6 was a perfect example. I spent
      a ton of time cutting and welding/brazing both the body and the
      frame. But in the end it was more solid than its original. And
      thanks to Ted with his frame strengthening kit.  The Z however was
      uni-body. A good friend had one and it basically fell apart in the
      early 80's. He took it to a frame shop and they couldnt do a thing
      with it. And there is no way to restore it. At least on the 6, if
      the frame was shot, you could to to a junk yard and pick up one in
      decent shape, same with the fenders/ doors etc. <br>
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    <p>I do see one Z at car shows but I am sure it is not a NE car. I
      do see quite a few 6's though. One thing that the Z had better on
      the engine were the carbs. A SU clone made by Hitachi. I fitted  a
      pair on my 72 as I was not a fan of the ZS. They have been trouble
      free for over 15 years. <br>
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    <p>Bob<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/4/23 1:12 PM, dave northrup wrote:<br>
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 Fun indeed.=C2=A0 For the writer.=C2=A0 He drove one example of each and m=
ade sweeping generalizations.=C2=A0 I take exception about how difficult th=
e TR6 is to start.=C2=A0 Mine leaps to life and the slightest hint of start=
er engagement.=C2=A0 This is the case when the carbs are set properly.=C2=
=A0 Apparently his car had some hack fiddle with the carbs.=C2=A0 Or it was=
 that old mechanical PI.=C2=A0 (Did PI cars have a choke?)

He didn't mention that the Datsun I-6 was a near exact copy of the Mercedes=
-Benz six cylinder engine.
But the real unmentioned advantage Japan had was the exchange rate.=C2=A0 N=
orth sea oil made the British Pound quite strong making exporting to the US=
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<div> <font size="3">Fun indeed.&nbsp; For the writer.&nbsp; He drove one example of each and made sweeping generalizations.&nbsp; I take exception about how difficult the TR6 is to start.&nbsp; Mine leaps to life and the slightest hint of starter engagement.&nbsp; This is the case when the carbs are set properly.&nbsp; Apparently his car had some hack fiddle with the carbs.&nbsp; Or it was that old mechanical PI.&nbsp; (Did PI cars have a choke?)<br>
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<div><font size="3">He didn't mention that the Datsun I-6 was a near exact copy of the Mercedes-Benz six cylinder engine.</font></div>

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<div><font size="3">But the real unmentioned advantage Japan had was the exchange rate.&nbsp; North sea oil made the British Pound quite strong making exporting to the US difficult indeed.<br>
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<div class="yiv9699482108MsoNormal">Or, as they would say in England, TR6 vs 240 Zed</div>

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<div class="yiv9699482108MsoNormal">Fun article</div>

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A fun read, but given that the TR6 was modified with fuel injection I am
wondering if it had suspension mods as well.  They describe the TR6 as
being this frenetic rip-roaring sports car, which is not how I would
describe a stock TR6 at all, maybe coming from a 70s Buick or whatever, but
compared to other small 60s and early 70s two seaters I think the TR6 was a
pretty soft and smooth.

Also they gave some production figures for early Datsun sales, but not any
sales figures for the cars they were comparing.

>From 1970 to 1973 they sold about 150,000 Z's in the US, with a peak year
of over 50,000 in 72.  They sold about 77,000 TR6s from '69 to 76.  So the
Z outsold the TR6 pretty handily, you are looking at about 10,000 TR6s a
year sold in the United States in average, I know more detailed numbers are
available, but didn't dig that far.  Despite being described as long in
tooth and antiquated by contemporary magazines, the TR6 outsold the earlier
TRs, both overall and in the US.

Prices:

1968 (TR250) $3175.
1969 (TR6) $3275
1970 $3375.                           (240z) $3526
1971 $3595
1972 $3723
1973 $4095
1974 $4695.                          (240z)  $4695
1975 $5295
1976 $6095

So they were direct competitors on price.

Greg Lemon TR250

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto">A fun read, but given that the TR6 was =
modified with fuel injection I am wondering if it had suspension mods as we=
ll.=C2=A0 They describe the TR6 as being this frenetic rip-roaring sports c=
ar, which is not how I would describe a stock TR6 at all, maybe coming from=
 a 70s Buick or whatever, but compared to other small 60s and early 70s two=
 seaters I think the TR6 was a pretty soft and smooth.<div dir=3D"auto"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"auto">Also they gave some production figures for early D=
atsun sales, but not any sales figures for the cars they were comparing.</d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">From 1970 to 1973 they sol=
d about 150,000 Z&#39;s in the US, with a peak year of over 50,000 in 72.=
=C2=A0 They sold about 77,000 TR6s from &#39;69 to 76.=C2=A0 So the Z outso=
ld the TR6 pretty handily, you are looking at about 10,000 TR6s a year sold=
 in the United States in average, I know more detailed numbers are availabl=
e, but didn&#39;t dig that far.=C2=A0 Despite being described as long in to=
oth and antiquated by contemporary magazines, the TR6 outsold the earlier T=
Rs, both overall and in the US.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">Prices:</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span =
style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(25=
5,255,255)">1968 (TR250) $3175.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</s=
pan><br style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:13px;background-colo=
r:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:13=
px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">1969 (TR6) $3275</span><br style=3D"f=
ont-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)=
"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:13px;background-colo=
r:rgb(255,255,255)">1970 $3375.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(240z) $3526</span><=
br style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb=
(255,255,255)"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:13px;ba=
ckground-color:rgb(255,255,255)">1971 $3595</span><br style=3D"font-family:=
arial,helvetica;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span sty=
le=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,2=
55,255)">1972 $3723</span><br style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-siz=
e:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,=
helvetica;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">1973 $4095</spa=
n><br style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:13px;background-color:=
rgb(255,255,255)"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:13px=
;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">1974 $4695.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (240z)=C2=A0=
 $4695</span><br style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:13px;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;fon=
t-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">1975 $5295</span><br style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255=
,255)"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:13px;background=
-color:rgb(255,255,255)">1976 $6095</span><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span=
 style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"arial, helvet=
ica"><span style=3D"font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">So th=
ey were direct competitors on price.</span></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
font face=3D"arial, helvetica"><span style=3D"font-size:13px;background-col=
or:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></span></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=
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5,255,255)">Greg Lemon TR250</span></font></div></div><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Feb 4, 2023, 12:43 =
PM dave northrup &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer =
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And, if you can't find a good used frame, there is always the option of a
new, Ratco frame. All it takes is a MasterCard! That is definitely an
advantage of an "old technology" frame/body car.

Alex Thomson

From: 6pack [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2023 9:45 AM
To: [email-masked]; six pack
Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] TR6 vs 240 Z

Both the TR6 and the 240Z suffered from rust in the NE with roads covered
with sand and salt. My 72 6 was a perfect example. I spent a ton of time
cutting and welding/brazing both the body and the frame. But in the end it
was more solid than its original. And thanks to Ted with his frame
strengthening kit.  The Z however was uni-body. A good friend had one and it
basically fell apart in the early 80's. He took it to a frame shop and they
couldnt do a thing with it. And there is no way to restore it. At least on
the 6, if the frame was shot, you could to to a junk yard and pick up one in
decent shape, same with the fenders/ doors etc. 

I do see one Z at car shows but I am sure it is not a NE car. I do see quite
a few 6's though. One thing that the Z had better on the engine were the
carbs. A SU clone made by Hitachi. I fitted  a pair on my 72 as I was not a
fan of the ZS. They have been trouble free for over 15 years. 

Bob

Fun article

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Ratco frame. All it takes is a MasterCard! That is definitely an =
advantage of an &#8220;old technology&#8221; frame/body =
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6pack [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Bob<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 05, 2023 9:45 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]; six pack<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [6pack] [TR] =
TR6 vs 240 Z<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p>Both the TR6 and the 240Z =
suffered from rust in the NE with roads covered with sand and salt. My =
72 6 was a perfect example. I spent a ton of time cutting and =
welding/brazing both the body and the frame. But in the end it was more =
solid than its original. And thanks to Ted with his frame strengthening =
kit.&nbsp; The Z however was uni-body. A good friend had one and it =
basically fell apart in the early 80's. He took it to a frame shop and =
they couldnt do a thing with it. And there is no way to restore it. At =
least on the 6, if the frame was shot, you could to to a junk yard and =
pick up one in decent shape, same with the fenders/ doors etc. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p>I do see one Z at car shows but I am sure it is not a =
NE car. I do see quite a few 6's though. One thing that the Z had better =
on the engine were the carbs. A SU clone made by Hitachi. I fitted&nbsp; =
a pair on my 72 as I was not a fan of the ZS. They have been trouble =
free for over 15 years. <o:p></o:p></p><p>Bob<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 2/4/23 1:12 PM, dave northrup =
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From: Robert Rochlin <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2023 07:23:37 -0400

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   Back in the early 70=E2=80=99s I had two successive 240 Z cars.  The =
first one was a 1972 before emissions equipment, it went like hell and =
was dependable and durable.  I drove that one until the body was so =
compromised from New England winters that I had to give it up. I made =
the mistake of then buying a 1974 TR6 with emission controls. It was a =
dog comprehend to the 1972.  As it happens, I have a brochure reprint of =
a head to head comparison of the TR6 and the 240 Z originally done by =
Road and Track.  The advantage went to the 240 Z when speed picked up =
and aerodynamics came into play. I=E2=80=99m away now, but when I get =
home I=E2=80=99ll make a PDF of the brochure and post it to the list.
	Best,
	Bob

> On Feb 5, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> And, if you can=E2=80=99t find a good used frame, there is always the =
option of a new, Ratco frame. All it takes is a MasterCard! That is =
definitely an advantage of an =E2=80=9Cold technology=E2=80=9D =
frame/body car.
> =20
> Alex Thomson
> =20
> From: 6pack [mailto:[email-masked] =
> Both the TR6 and the 240Z suffered from rust in the NE with roads =
covered with sand and salt. My 72 6 was a perfect example. I spent a ton =
of time cutting and welding/brazing both the body and the frame. But in =
the end it was more solid than its original. And thanks to Ted with his =
frame strengthening kit.  The Z however was uni-body. A good friend had =
one and it basically fell apart in the early 80's. He took it to a frame =
shop and they couldnt do a thing with it. And there is no way to restore =
it. At least on the 6, if the frame was shot, you could to to a junk =
yard and pick up one in decent shape, same with the fenders/ doors etc.=20=

>=20
> I do see one Z at car shows but I am sure it is not a NE car. I do see =
quite a few 6's though. One thing that the Z had better on the engine =
were the carbs. A SU clone made by Hitachi. I fitted  a pair on my 72 as =
I was not a fan of the ZS. They have been trouble free for over 15 =
years.=20
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;Back in the early 70=E2=80=99s I had two =
successive 240 Z cars. &nbsp;The first one was a 1972 before emissions =
equipment, it went like hell and was dependable and durable. &nbsp;I =
drove that one until the body was so compromised from New England =
winters that I had to give it up. I made the mistake of then buying a =
1974 TR6 with emission controls. It was a dog comprehend to the 1972. =
&nbsp;As it happens, I have a brochure reprint of a head to head =
comparison of the TR6 and the 240 Z originally done by Road and Track. =
&nbsp;The advantage went to the 240 Z when speed picked up and =
aerodynamics came into play. I=E2=80=99m away now, but when I get home =
I=E2=80=99ll make a PDF of the brochure and post it to the list.<div =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	=
</span>Best,</div><div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Bob<br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Feb =
5, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Alex &amp; Janet Thomson &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
charset=3D"UTF-8" class=3D""><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: =
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none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">And, if you can=E2=80=99t find a good used frame, there is =
always the option of a new, Ratco frame. All it takes is a MasterCard! =
That is definitely an advantage of an =E2=80=9Cold technology=E2=80=9D =
frame/body car.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Alex Thomson<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; =
border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>6pack [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Bob<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Sunday, February 05, 2023 =
9:45 AM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>; six =
pack<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [6pack] [TR] TR6 vs 240 =
Z<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><p =
style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D"">Both the =
TR6 and the 240Z suffered from rust in the NE with roads covered with =
sand and salt. My 72 6 was a perfect example. I spent a ton of time =
cutting and welding/brazing both the body and the frame. But in the end =
it was more solid than its original. And thanks to Ted with his frame =
strengthening kit.&nbsp; The Z however was uni-body. A good friend had =
one and it basically fell apart in the early 80's. He took it to a frame =
shop and they couldnt do a thing with it. And there is no way to restore =
it. At least on the 6, if the frame was shot, you could to to a junk =
yard and pick up one in decent shape, same with the fenders/ doors =
etc.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" =
class=3D"">I do see one Z at car shows but I am sure it is not a NE car. =
I do see quite a few 6's though. One thing that the Z had better on the =
engine were the carbs. A SU clone made by Hitachi. I fitted&nbsp; a pair =
on my 72 as I was not a fan of the ZS. They have been trouble free for =
over 15 years.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" =
class=3D"">Bob<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D"">On 2/4/23 1:12 PM, dave =
northrup wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><blockquote =
style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=3D"" =
type=3D"cite"><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" =
class=3D"">Or, as they would say in England, TR6 vs 240 Zed<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, =
serif;" class=3D"">Fun article<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" =
class=3D""><a =
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h-tr6-battle-america?utm_source=3Dsfmc&amp;utm_term=3DStoryImageTwo&amp;ut=
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0&amp;utm_medium=3Demail&amp;utm_campaign=3Dnewsletter_04_02_2023" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
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