Subject: Re: [TR] difference between these two washers

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From: Frank Fisher <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2023 20:42:39 +0000 (UTC)

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 what Roy said.

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Subject: [TR] difference between these two washers
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Besides, looks, what are the differences=C2=A0between=C2=A0these washers? W=
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">what Roy said.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div><br></div>
        
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<p class="ydpaff97a82yiv3838862960MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:New serif;color:#1F497D;">Looking forward to seeing answers.&nbsp; In the meantime, I use the ones on the left under ground connections as they tend to bite into the metal.</span></p> 
<p class="ydpaff97a82yiv3838862960MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:New serif;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p> 
<p class="ydpaff97a82yiv3838862960MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:New serif;color:#1F497D;">Andrew Uprichard</span></p> 
<p class="ydpaff97a82yiv3838862960MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:New serif;color:#1F497D;">Jackson, Michigan</span></p> 
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<p class="ydpaff97a82yiv3838862960MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 3, 2023 12:31 PM<br clear="none">
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<p class="ydpaff97a82yiv3838862960MsoNormal">Besides, looks, what are the differences&nbsp;between&nbsp;these washers? Why use one compared to the other? I typically&nbsp;see the left one used for lighter loads, but never under a load which&nbsp;needs torquing up.</p> 
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<p class="ydpaff97a82yiv3838862960MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p> 
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<p class="ydpaff97a82yiv3838862960MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p> 
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<p class="ydpaff97a82yiv3838862960MsoNormal">Sujit Roy<br clear="none">
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2023 11:04:11 -0500

Interesting question.  I found this answer which might be useful.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/different-types-spring-locking-washers-ryan-zhang

-- Jeff

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> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/different-types-spring-locking-washers-ryan-zhang

I also found these interesting alternatives:

https://shop4fasteners.co.uk/fasteners/washers/locking-washers/schnorr-washers/schnorr-safety-lock-washers-type-s-self-colour.html

https://shop4fasteners.co.uk/fasteners/washers/locking-washers/nord-lock-washers/nord-lock-wedge-locking-washers-steel.html

I don't think I've ever seen these before.
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 I never considered a Belleville washer or a wavy washer as a locking devic=
e.=C2=A0 I consider them an anti-rattle device that, when used with a locki=
ng nut (either nylon or other) will allow for expansion/contraction or othe=
r compliance axially and will act against float.=C2=A0 EG alternator pivot =
bolts.
Split washers are good for general purpose applications where no torque spe=
c is provided.=C2=A0 If a torque spec is given do not use a lock washer!=C2=
=A0 And don't use a hardware store variety flat washer either!
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
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Sent: Sat, Feb 4, 2023 10:06 am
Subject: Re: [TR] difference between these two washers

On Sat, Feb 4, 2023 at 11:04 AM Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]> wrote=
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> Interesting question.=C2=A0 I found this answer which might be useful.
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> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/different-types-spring-locking-washers-rya=
n-zhang

https://shop4fasteners.co.uk/fasteners/washers/locking-washers/schnorr-wash=
ers/schnorr-safety-lock-washers-type-s-self-colour.html

https://shop4fasteners.co.uk/fasteners/washers/locking-washers/nord-lock-wa=
shers/nord-lock-wedge-locking-washers-steel.html

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<div> <font size=3D"3">I never considered a Belleville washer or a wavy was=
her as a locking device.&nbsp; I consider them an anti-rattle device that, =
when used with a locking nut (either nylon or other) will allow for expansi=
on/contraction or other compliance axially and will act against float.&nbsp=
; EG alternator pivot bolts.</font></div>

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</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Split washers are good for general purpose applicatio=
ns where no torque spec is provided.&nbsp; If a torque spec is given do not=
 use a lock washer!&nbsp; And don't use a hardware store variety flat washe=
r either!<br>
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 size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Jeff Scarbrough &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: Triumphs &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Sat, Feb 4, 2023 10:06 am<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] difference between these two washers<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Feb 4, 2023 at 11:04 AM Jeff Scarbrough &lt;<a sha=
pe=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:fishplate=
@gmail.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none">&gt;<br cl=
ear=3D"none">&gt; Interesting question.&nbsp; I found this answer which mig=
ht be useful.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <a shape=3D"rec=
t" href=3D"https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/different-types-spring-locking-wa=
shers-ryan-zhang" target=3D"_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/differen=
t-types-spring-locking-washers-ryan-zhang</a><br clear=3D"none">&gt;<br cle=
ar=3D"none">&gt; -- Jeff<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">I also found =
these interesting alternatives:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><a sha=
pe=3D"rect" href=3D"https://shop4fasteners.co.uk/fasteners/washers/locking-=
washers/schnorr-washers/schnorr-safety-lock-washers-type-s-self-colour.html=
" target=3D"_blank">https://shop4fasteners.co.uk/fasteners/washers/locking-=
washers/schnorr-washers/schnorr-safety-lock-washers-type-s-self-colour.html=
</a><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https:/=
/shop4fasteners.co.uk/fasteners/washers/locking-washers/nord-lock-washers/n=
ord-lock-wedge-locking-washers-steel.html" target=3D"_blank">https://shop4f=
asteners.co.uk/fasteners/washers/locking-washers/nord-lock-washers/nord-loc=
k-wedge-locking-washers-steel.html</a><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"=
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