Subject: [TR] TR3 Oil Pan Leakage

From: William Brewer <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2022 13:11:22 -0700

I have been trying to get the oil pan to quit being so leaky for 
over 30 years and two engine rebuilds now. I made sure that the bolt 
holes in the pan are lower than the mounting surface. I check the pan 
fit with a feeler gauge with no gasket. I get everything cleaned off. I 
have tried Permatex, Aviation Permatex and Hylomar Blue. I have used the 
recommended torques. Still slowly seeping and dripping over time. It 
seems worse in the front that the rear and no the front aluminum sealing 
block isn't stripped out.

      I have family members asking me not to bring the TR3 and Morgan 
over to their houses because of the amount of drips.

      I have looking over the "Triumph Experience" website and it looks 
like most owners there have thrown their hands up and given up. Either 
that or the ones that say that they are drip free probably haven't 
driven their cars much.

      I've considered CNC'ing a 3/8" steel mounting flange, welding that 
to the top of the oil sump (the weld would seal on the inside) and then 
torquing that sonofabitch down tight with permatex on it. No more 
worrying about flange distortion.

      I've also considered making a sheet metal "catch box" that would 
mount under the pan and completely enclose it to catch drips. It could 
be held on with 4 bolts and removed/cleaned out at oil changes. I should 
make a long aluminum drip pan that goes under the sump, rear seal and 
transmission.

      Anyone ever get there TR2/3/4 oil pans to stay drip free?

      -Bill Brewer

      Morro Bay, CA

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From: Cliff Hansen <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2022 14:50:59 +0000

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Bill,

Following.

I replaced the pan gasket on my TR4A about a year ago. I carefully leveled =
the mating surface using a dolly then a file, new gasket with Permatex #2, =
and actually used a in-lb torque wrench. Before it leaked moderately from t=
he pan-to-block join. Now it leaks slooowly, accumulating a drop at almost =
every bolt head, even the bolts that don=92t pass into the interior of the =
engine. It=92s frustrating because I=92ve managed to solve every other leak=
.

Cliff

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Subject: [TR] TR3 Oil Pan Leakage

      -Bill Brewer

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bill,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Following.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I replaced the pan gasket on my TR4A about a year ag=
o. I carefully leveled the mating surface using a dolly then a file, new ga=
sket with Permatex #2, and actually used a in-lb torque wrench. Before it l=
eaked moderately from the pan-to-block
 join. Now it leaks slooowly, accumulating a drop at almost every bolt head=
, even the bolts that don=92t pass into the interior of the engine. It=92s =
frustrating because I=92ve managed to solve every other leak.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cliff</p>
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<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:19 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Triumph List</a><br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have been trying to get t=
he oil pan to quit being so leaky for
<br>
over 30 years and two engine rebuilds now. I made sure that the bolt <br>
holes in the pan are lower than the mounting surface. I check the pan <br>
fit with a feeler gauge with no gasket. I get everything cleaned off. I <br=
have tried Permatex, Aviation Permatex and Hylomar Blue. I have used the <b=
r>
recommended torques. Still slowly seeping and dripping over time. It <br>
seems worse in the front that the rear and no the front aluminum sealing <b=
r>
block isn't stripped out.<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have family members asking me not to bring=
 the TR3 and Morgan <br>
over to their houses because of the amount of drips.<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have looking over the &quot;Triumph Experi=
ence&quot; website and it looks <br>
like most owners there have thrown their hands up and given up. Either <br>
that or the ones that say that they are drip free probably haven't <br>
driven their cars much.<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I've considered CNC'ing a 3/8&quot; steel mo=
unting flange, welding that <br>
to the top of the oil sump (the weld would seal on the inside) and then <br=
torquing that sonofabitch down tight with permatex on it. No more <br>
worrying about flange distortion.<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I've also considered making a sheet metal &q=
uot;catch box&quot; that would <br>
mount under the pan and completely enclose it to catch drips. It could <br>
be held on with 4 bolts and removed/cleaned out at oil changes. I should <b=
r>
make a long aluminum drip pan that goes under the sump, rear seal and <br>
transmission.<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Anyone ever get there TR2/3/4 oil pans to st=
ay drip free?<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -Bill Brewer<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Morro Bay, CA<br>
<br>
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I too have had difficulty making a leak free engine on my street/race TR3. =
 I also had an oil drop on almost every pan bolt head.  I resealed the pan =
a couple times finding that the sealant had almost no adhesion to the alumi=
num filler block in front.  So I thought that where the leak was coming fro=
m.  I think I tried both the gray and black Permatex.  After pulling the en=
gine for a refresh, I found that the oil leak was most likely coming from b=
etween the engine mount plate and the block.  I had used the red spray-on H=
igh Tack sealant on that gasket.  The gasket peeled cleanly off the block a=
nd plate and was saturated with oil.  Oil never dripped from the pan or eng=
ine.  It was pushed back while in motion and always dripped off the trans b=
ell housing.  I developed an easy to change, disposable shop towel hanger o=
ut of safety wire between the two lowest bell housing flywheel cover bolts =
and never had a drop of oil on the garage floor.  I changed the towel befor=
e a race weekend. =20
One think I was happy to find, was that the rear main seal was definitely n=
ot leaking. =20
If I find a photo of the oil diaper arrangement, I'll share it.
Dave H.=20

>     On 07/29/2022 7:50 AM Cliff Hansen <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>=20
>     Bill,
>=20
>=20
>     Following.
>=20
>=20
>     I replaced the pan gasket on my TR4A about a year ago. I carefully le=
veled the mating surface using a dolly then a file, new gasket with Permate=
x #2, and actually used a in-lb torque wrench. Before it leaked moderately =
from the pan-to-block join. Now it leaks slooowly, accumulating a drop at a=
lmost every bolt head, even the bolts that don=E2=80=99t pass into the inte=
rior of the engine. It=E2=80=99s frustrating because I=E2=80=99ve managed t=
o solve every other leak.
>=20
>=20
>     Cliff
>=20
>=20
>=20
>     Sent from Mail https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986 for W=
indows
>=20
>=20
>     From: William Brewer mailto:[email-masked]
>     To: Triumph List mailto:[email-masked]
>=20
>=20
>     fit with a feeler gauge with no gasket. I get everything cleaned off.=
 I
>     have tried Permatex, Aviation Permatex and Hylomar Blue. I have used =
the
>     seems worse in the front that the rear and no the front aluminum seal=
ing
>=20
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>           I have looking over the "Triumph Experience" website and it loo=
ks
>     like most owners there have thrown their hands up and given up. Eithe=
r
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>           I've considered CNC'ing a 3/8" steel mounting flange, welding t=
hat
>     to the top of the oil sump (the weld would seal on the inside) and th=
en
>=20
>           I've also considered making a sheet metal "catch box" that woul=
d
>     mount under the pan and completely enclose it to catch drips. It coul=
d
>     be held on with 4 bolts and removed/cleaned out at oil changes. I sho=
uld
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   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">I too have had =
difficulty making a leak free engine on my street/race TR3.&nbsp; I also ha=
d an oil drop on almost every pan bolt head.&nbsp; I resealed the pan a cou=
ple times finding that the sealant had almost no adhesion to the aluminum f=
iller block in front.&nbsp; So I thought that where the leak was coming fro=
m.&nbsp; I think I tried both the gray and black Permatex.&nbsp; After pull=
ing the engine for a refresh, I found that the oil leak was most likely com=
ing from between the engine mount plate and the block.&nbsp; I had used the=
 red spray-on High Tack sealant on that gasket.&nbsp; The gasket peeled cle=
anly off the block and plate and was saturated with oil.&nbsp; Oil never dr=
ipped from the pan or engine.&nbsp; It was pushed back while in motion and =
always dripped off the trans bell housing.&nbsp; I developed an easy to cha=
nge, disposable shop towel hanger out of safety wire between the two lowest=
 bell housing flywheel cover bolts and never had a drop of oil on the garag=
e floor.&nbsp; I changed the towel before a race weekend.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span=
   <br>
  </div>
  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;=
 color: #333333;" class=3D"default-style">
   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">One think I was=
 happy to find, was that the rear main seal was definitely not leaking.&nbs=
p;&nbsp;</span>
  </div>
  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;=
 color: #333333;" class=3D"default-style">
   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">If I find a pho=
to of the oil diaper arrangement, I'll share it.</span>
  </div>
  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;=
 color: #333333;" class=3D"default-style">
   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">Dave H.&nbsp;</=
span>
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    On 07/29/2022 7:50 AM Cliff Hansen &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wro=
te:
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bill,</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Following.</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I replaced the pan gasket on my TR4A about a yea=
r ago. I carefully leveled the mating surface using a dolly then a file, ne=
w gasket with Permatex #2, and actually used a in-lb torque wrench. Before =
it leaked moderately from the pan-to-block join. Now it leaks slooowly, acc=
umulating a drop at almost every bolt head, even the bolts that don=E2=80=
=99t pass into the interior of the engine. It=E2=80=99s frustrating because=
 I=E2=80=99ve managed to solve every other leak.</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cliff</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
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rom: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">William Brewer</a><=
br><strong>Sent: </strong>Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:19 PM<br><strong>To: </=
strong><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Triumph List</a><br><stro=
ng>Subject: </strong>[TR] TR3 Oil Pan Leakage</p>
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have been trying to g=
et the oil pan to quit being so leaky for <br>over 30 years and two engine =
rebuilds now. I made sure that the bolt <br>holes in the pan are lower than=
 the mounting surface. I check the pan <br>fit with a feeler gauge with no =
gasket. I get everything cleaned off. I <br>have tried Permatex, Aviation P=
ermatex and Hylomar Blue. I have used the <br>recommended torques. Still sl=
owly seeping and dripping over time. It <br>seems worse in the front that t=
he rear and no the front aluminum sealing <br>block isn't stripped out.<br>=
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have family members asking me not to b=
ring the TR3 and Morgan <br>over to their houses because of the amount of d=
rips.<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have looking over the "Triump=
h Experience" website and it looks <br>like most owners there have thrown t=
heir hands up and given up. Either <br>that or the ones that say that they =
are drip free probably haven't <br>driven their cars much.<br><br>&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I've considered CNC'ing a 3/8" steel mounting flange,=
 welding that <br>to the top of the oil sump (the weld would seal on the in=
side) and then <br>torquing that sonofabitch down tight with permatex on it=
. No more <br>worrying about flange distortion.<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; I've also considered making a sheet metal "catch box" that would=
 <br>mount under the pan and completely enclose it to catch drips. It could=
 <br>be held on with 4 bolts and removed/cleaned out at oil changes. I shou=
ld <br>make a long aluminum drip pan that goes under the sump, rear seal an=
d <br>transmission.<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Anyone ever get t=
here TR2/3/4 oil pans to stay drip free?<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp; -Bill Brewer<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Morro Bay, CA<br><br=
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There's the oil diaper that I devised. =20
This eliminated oil from the front of the engine ever making it to the grou=
nd.
I imagine that other engine and trans input shaft seal leaks could reliably=
 be captured this way.
Dave H.=20

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ver making it to the ground.</span>=20
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 color: #333333;" class=3D"default-style"> <span style=3D"font-family: helv=
etica; font-size: 12pt;">I imagine that other engine and trans input shaft =
seal leaks could reliably be captured this way.</span>=20
  </div>=20
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Following.</p>=20
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I replaced the pan gasket on my TR4A about a yea=
r ago. I carefully leveled the mating surface using a dolly then a file, ne=
w gasket with Permatex #2, and actually used a in-lb torque wrench. Before =
it leaked moderately from the pan-to-block join. Now it leaks slooowly, acc=
umulating a drop at almost every bolt head, even the bolts that don=E2=80=
=99t pass into the interior of the engine. It=E2=80=99s frustrating because=
 I=E2=80=99ve managed to solve every other leak.</p>=20
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rebuilds now. I made sure that the bolt <br>holes in the pan are lower than=
 the mounting surface. I check the pan <br>fit with a feeler gauge with no =
gasket. I get everything cleaned off. I <br>have tried Permatex, Aviation P=
ermatex and Hylomar Blue. I have used the <br>recommended torques. Still sl=
owly seeping and dripping over time. It <br>seems worse in the front that t=
he rear and no the front aluminum sealing <br>block isn't stripped out.<br>=
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have family members asking me not to b=
ring the TR3 and Morgan <br>over to their houses because of the amount of d=
rips.<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have looking over the "Triump=
h Experience" website and it looks <br>like most owners there have thrown t=
heir hands up and given up. Either <br>that or the ones that say that they =
are drip free probably haven't <br>driven their cars much.<br><br>&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I've considered CNC'ing a 3/8" steel mounting flange,=
 welding that <br>to the top of the oil sump (the weld would seal on the in=
side) and then <br>torquing that sonofabitch down tight with permatex on it=
. No more <br>worrying about flange distortion.<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; I've also considered making a sheet metal "catch box" that would=
 <br>mount under the pan and completely enclose it to catch drips. It could=
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Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2022 16:18:12 -0400

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If locating the leak is difficult, you might try white baking flour or oil
dye.  The dye fluoresces under UV light.

hth

jim

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 3:58 PM DAVE HOGYE <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I too have had difficulty making a leak free engine on my street/race
> TR3.  I also had an oil drop on almost every pan bolt head.  I resealed t=
he
> pan a couple times finding that the sealant had almost no adhesion to the
> aluminum filler block in front.  So I thought that where the leak was
> coming from.  I think I tried both the gray and black Permatex.  After
> pulling the engine for a refresh, I found that the oil leak was most like=
ly
> coming from between the engine mount plate and the block.  I had used the
> red spray-on High Tack sealant on that gasket.  The gasket peeled cleanly
> off the block and plate and was saturated with oil.  Oil never dripped fr=
om
> the pan or engine.  It was pushed back while in motion and always dripped
> off the trans bell housing.  I developed an easy to change, disposable sh=
op
> towel hanger out of safety wire between the two lowest bell housing
> flywheel cover bolts and never had a drop of oil on the garage floor.  I
> changed the towel before a race weekend.
> One think I was happy to find, was that the rear main seal was definitely
> not leaking.
> Dave H.
> I replaced the pan gasket on my TR4A about a year ago. I carefully levele=
d
> the mating surface using a dolly then a file, new gasket with Permatex #2=
,
> and actually used a in-lb torque wrench. Before it leaked moderately from
> the pan-to-block join. Now it leaks slooowly, accumulating a drop at almo=
st
> every bolt head, even the bolts that don=E2=80=99t pass into the interior=
 of the
> engine. It=E2=80=99s frustrating because I=E2=80=99ve managed to solve ev=
ery other leak.
>
>
> Cliff
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986> for
> Windows
>
>
> *From: *William Brewer <[email-masked]>
> *Sent: *Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:19 PM
> *To: *Triumph List <[email-masked]>
> *Subject: *[TR] TR3 Oil Pan Leakage
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<div dir=3D"ltr">If locating the leak is difficult, you might try white bak=
ing flour or oil dye.=C2=A0 The dye fluoresces under UV light.=C2=A0=C2=A0<=
div><br></div><div>hth</div><div><br></div><div>jim</div></div><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 29, 20=
22 at 3:58 PM DAVE HOGYE &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">dlhogye=
@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex"><u></u>

 =20
  =20
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 <div>
  <div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color=
:rgb(51,51,51)">
   <span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt">I too have had diff=
iculty making a leak free engine on my street/race TR3.=C2=A0 I also had an=
 oil drop on almost every pan bolt head.=C2=A0 I resealed the pan a couple =
times finding that the sealant had almost no adhesion to the aluminum fille=
r block in front.=C2=A0 So I thought that where the leak was coming from.=
=C2=A0 I think I tried both the gray and black Permatex.=C2=A0 After pullin=
g the engine for a refresh, I found that the oil leak was most likely comin=
g from between the engine mount plate and the block.=C2=A0 I had used the r=
ed spray-on High Tack sealant on that gasket.=C2=A0 The gasket peeled clean=
ly off the block and plate and was saturated with oil.=C2=A0 Oil never drip=
ped from the pan or engine.=C2=A0 It was pushed back while in motion and al=
ways dripped off the trans bell housing.=C2=A0 I developed an easy to chang=
e, disposable shop towel hanger out of safety wire between the two lowest b=
ell housing flywheel cover bolts and never had a drop of oil on the garage =
floor.=C2=A0 I changed the towel before a race weekend.=C2=A0=C2=A0</span>
   <br>
  </div>
  <div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color=
:rgb(51,51,51)">
   <span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt">One think I was hap=
py to find, was that the rear main seal was definitely not leaking.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0</span>
  </div>
  <div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color=
:rgb(51,51,51)">
   <span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt">If I find a photo o=
f the oil diaper arrangement, I&#39;ll share it.</span>
  </div>
  <div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color=
:rgb(51,51,51)">
   <span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt">Dave H.=C2=A0</span=
  </div>
  <blockquote type=3D"cite">
   <div>
    On 07/29/2022 7:50 AM Cliff Hansen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cliff_hansen@o=
utlook.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
   </div>
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bill,</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Following.</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I replaced the pan gasket on my TR4A about a yea=
r ago. I carefully leveled the mating surface using a dolly then a file, ne=
w gasket with Permatex #2, and actually used a in-lb torque wrench. Before =
it leaked moderately from the pan-to-block join. Now it leaks slooowly, acc=
umulating a drop at almost every bolt head, even the bolts that don=E2=80=
=99t pass into the interior of the engine. It=E2=80=99s frustrating because=
 I=E2=80=99ve managed to solve every other leak.</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cliff</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
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     <p style=3D"border:none;padding:0in" class=3D"MsoNormal"><strong>From:=
 </strong><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">Willi=
am Brewer</a><br><strong>Sent: </strong>Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:19 PM<br>=
<strong>To: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank">Triumph List</a><br><strong>Subject: </strong>[TR] TR3 Oil Pan Leaka=
ge</p>
    </div>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I have been trying to g=
et the oil pan to quit being so leaky for <br>over 30 years and two engine =
rebuilds now. I made sure that the bolt <br>holes in the pan are lower than=
 the mounting surface. I check the pan <br>fit with a feeler gauge with no =
gasket. I get everything cleaned off. I <br>have tried Permatex, Aviation P=
ermatex and Hylomar Blue. I have used the <br>recommended torques. Still sl=
owly seeping and dripping over time. It <br>seems worse in the front that t=
he rear and no the front aluminum sealing <br>block isn&#39;t stripped out.=
<br><br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I have family members asking me not =
to bring the TR3 and Morgan <br>over to their houses because of the amount =
of drips.<br><br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I have looking over the &qu=
ot;Triumph Experience&quot; website and it looks <br>like most owners there=
 have thrown their hands up and given up. Either <br>that or the ones that =
say that they are drip free probably haven&#39;t <br>driven their cars much=
.<br><br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I&#39;ve considered CNC&#39;ing a 3=
/8&quot; steel mounting flange, welding that <br>to the top of the oil sump=
 (the weld would seal on the inside) and then <br>torquing that sonofabitch=
 down tight with permatex on it. No more <br>worrying about flange distorti=
on.<br><br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I&#39;ve also considered making a=
 sheet metal &quot;catch box&quot; that would <br>mount under the pan and c=
ompletely enclose it to catch drips. It could <br>be held on with 4 bolts a=
nd removed/cleaned out at oil changes. I should <br>make a long aluminum dr=
ip pan that goes under the sump, rear seal and <br>transmission.<br><br>=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Anyone ever get there TR2/3/4 oil pans to stay =
drip free?<br><br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -Bill Brewer<br><br>=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Morro Bay, CA<br><br>** <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs=
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