Subject: Re: [TR] Why

From: Bob <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 20:11:42 -0400

Jonmac,

Interesting story. I was never taught how to work on cars. I just picked 
it up as a hobby. It is simple really, you take something apart and you 
put it back together in the reverse. 5 Triumphs later and one cycle and 
they all run just fine. And the same with all the rest of the folks on 
this list.

And by the way, took out the 3 today for lunch at the Legion. Purred 
like a kitten.

Bob

On 5/11/22 6:55 PM, John Macartney wrote:
> Jonmac is in grumpy old git mode today!
>
> Took the dog for a shorter walk today because of the rain. This meant me on my mobility scooter with dog alongside, traversing a nearby industrial estate where there’s a car body shop specialising in repainting and lots of difficult sheet metal stuff. I know them all quite well and the dogs always welcome, so I’m allowed inside to see what they’re doing and having a chat. Today a trainee was reassembling a cylinder head on a Repainted Herald and I was horrified to see the lack of washers under the head nuts. I didn’t say anything but it annoyed me. For a start, it flew fully in the face of my training years ago. When fitting hardware, you always always always fitted a washer under the bolt head and another washer under the nut. These days when I watch TV of some bloke fitting something to something else, the use of washers is minimal to non existent. Why? I made that mistake of not using a washer once a long time ago at Jaguar when I was doing my Service Dept training and my omission was noted by the Senior Foreman who was a stickler for doing things right every time, all the time. My punishment? A missed lunch break because it was spent on all fours pushing a one inch diameter plain washer round the lube bay floor with my nose - twice! The first lap was because of what I didn’t do and the second was so I’d never forget. That’s how it was in the U.K. in those days and there was nothing illegal in humiliating someone at work and if I’d refused, there would have been a disciplinary. I think that if the trainee I saw not doing his job today was told to do what I did sixty years ago, he’d have his employer in court for damages and unreasonable workplace treatment! It’s these know-all jerks on TV like the Top Gear mob, Clarkson, Hammond, Mike Brewer and a few others doing it wrong, that is teaching youngsters that sloppy work is perfectly acceptable.
> Now going back to my hole in the ground where there are fresh leaves, clean moss and an interesting Single Malt awaiting my enjoyment.
>
> JM
>
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From: Patrick Baize <[email-masked]> xaHJgqF2h2zTmKySFdLevYdIwJiLYeuBhWNqpMTINoJhce6N6NDyI0egcZNM1GwVwT7w0fOnhK4fHA==
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 19:43:54 -0500

True

     I learned to work on cars by myself, take it apart , put it back 
together.

     In the 70's as a teen , my moms daisy clock that hung above the 
kitchen door quit working, took it apart , never got it back together.  
I found a daisy clock on Ebay couple years ago  (same as hers)  working 
and sent it to her for her birthday. Made her day.

Patrick

71 Stag

74 Spitfire

On 5/11/2022 7:11 PM, Bob wrote:
> Jonmac,
>
> Interesting story. I was never taught how to work on cars. I just 
> picked it up as a hobby. It is simple really, you take something apart 
> and you put it back together in the reverse. 5 Triumphs later and one 
> cycle and they all run just fine. And the same with all the rest of 
> the folks on this list.
>
>> Took the dog for a shorter walk today because of the rain. This meant 
>> me on my mobility scooter with dog alongside, traversing a nearby 
>> industrial estate where there’s a car body shop specialising in 
>> repainting and lots of difficult sheet metal stuff. I know them all 
>> quite well and the dogs always welcome, so I’m allowed inside to see 
>> what they’re doing and having a chat. Today a trainee was 
>> reassembling a cylinder head on a Repainted Herald and I was 
>> horrified to see the lack of washers under the head nuts. I didn’t 
>> say anything but it annoyed me. For a start, it flew fully in the 
>> face of my training years ago. When fitting hardware, you always 
>> always always fitted a washer under the bolt head and another washer 
>> under the nut. These days when I watch TV of some bloke fitting 
>> something to something else, the use of washers is minimal to non 
>> existent. Why? I made that mistake of not using a washer once a long 
>> time ago at Jaguar when I was doing my Service Dept training and my 
>> omission was noted by the Senior Foreman who was a stickler for doing 
>> things right every time, all the time. My punishment? A missed lunch 
>> break because it was spent on all fours pushing a one inch diameter 
>> plain washer round the lube bay floor with my nose - twice! The first 
>> lap was because of what I didn’t do and the second was so I’d never 
>> forget. That’s how it was in the U.K. in those days and there was 
>> nothing illegal in humiliating someone at work and if I’d refused, 
>> there would have been a disciplinary. I think that if the trainee I 
>> saw not doing his job today was told to do what I did sixty years 
>> ago, he’d have his employer in court for damages and unreasonable 
>> workplace treatment! It’s these know-all jerks on TV like the Top 
>> Gear mob, Clarkson, Hammond, Mike Brewer and a few others doing it 
>> wrong, that is teaching youngsters that sloppy work is perfectly 
>> acceptable.
>> Now going back to my hole in the ground where there are fresh leaves, 
>> clean moss and an interesting Single Malt awaiting my enjoyment.
>>
>> JM
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From: Paul Tegler <[email-masked]> mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.aol
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 23:38:44 -0400

ditto on the sentiment.
...have notice a lot of that stuff on those car shows these days. 
Details don't matter apparently. Takes up too much time away from 
advertising the products and parts

ptegler

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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 12:29:05 +0000 (UTC)

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 I've noticed that some newer cars have omitted the nuts in some applicatio=
ns.=C2=A0 Now, I'm not a mechanical engineer (electrical, though) but I thi=
nk that it was a lot more than just leaving out the washer.=C2=A0 The clamp=
ing surface must be properly machined and often oversized nuts are used.=C2=
=A0 Just leaving out the washers on an assembly that was designed to use th=
em can be problematic.
As for pushing a washer around the lub bay with your nose, I suspect your s=
upervisor was ex-military.=C2=A0 That sounds a lot like the tales told by a=
rmy vets the world round.=C2=A0 Some guys take special glee in humiliating =
subordinates.
Good to hear from your again.
=20
Dave=20

=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Sent: Wed, May 11, 2022 5:55 pm
Subject: [TR] Why

Took the dog for a shorter walk today because of the rain. This meant me on=
 my mobility scooter with dog alongside, traversing a nearby industrial est=
ate where there=E2=80=99s a car body shop specialising in repainting and lo=
ts of difficult sheet metal stuff. I know them all quite well and the dogs =
always welcome, so I=E2=80=99m allowed inside to see what they=E2=80=99re d=
oing and having a chat. Today a trainee was reassembling a cylinder head on=
 a Repainted Herald and I was horrified to see the lack of washers under th=
e head nuts. I didn=E2=80=99t say anything but it annoyed me. For a start, =
it flew fully in the face of my training years ago. When fitting hardware, =
you always always always fitted a washer under the bolt head and another wa=
sher under the nut. These days when I watch TV of some bloke fitting someth=
ing to something else, the use of washers is minimal to non existent. Why? =
I made that mistake of not using a washer once a long time ago at Jaguar wh=
en I was doing my Service Dept training and my omission was noted by the Se=
nior Foreman who was a stickler for doing things right every time, all the =
time. My punishment? A missed lunch break because it was spent on all fours=
 pushing a one inch diameter plain washer round the lube bay floor with my =
nose - twice! The first lap was because of what I didn=E2=80=99t do and the=
 second was so I=E2=80=99d never forget. That=E2=80=99s how it was in the U=
.K. in those days and there was nothing illegal in humiliating someone at w=
ork and if I=E2=80=99d refused, there would have been a disciplinary. I thi=
nk that if the trainee I saw not doing his job today was told to do what I =
did sixty years ago, he=E2=80=99d have his employer in court for damages an=
d unreasonable workplace treatment! It=E2=80=99s these know-all jerks on TV=
 like the Top Gear mob, Clarkson, Hammond, Mike Brewer and a few others doi=
ng it wrong, that is teaching youngsters that sloppy work is perfectly acce=
ptable.
Now going back to my hole in the ground where there are fresh leaves, clean=
 moss and an interesting Single Malt awaiting my enjoyment.

JM

Lady Astor: =E2=80=9CWinston, if you were my husband, I would poison your c=
offee.=E2=80=9D
Churchill: =E2=80=9C Madam, if I was your husband,, I=E2=80=99d drink it!=
=E2=80=9D
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<div> <font size=3D"3">I've noticed that some newer cars have omitted the n=
uts in some applications.&nbsp; Now, I'm not a mechanical engineer (electri=
cal, though) but I think that it was a lot more than just leaving out the w=
asher.&nbsp; The clamping surface must be properly machined and often overs=
ized nuts are used.&nbsp; Just leaving out the washers on an assembly that =
was designed to use them can be problematic.</font></div>

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<div><font size=3D"3">As for pushing a washer around the lub bay with your =
nose, I suspect your supervisor was ex-military.&nbsp; That sounds a lot li=
ke the tales told by army vets the world round.&nbsp; Some guys take specia=
l glee in humiliating subordinates.</font></div>

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<div><font size=3D"3">Good to hear from your again.</font><br>
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<div><font size=3D"4">Dave <br>
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 size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: John Macartney &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: [email-masked]<br>
Sent: Wed, May 11, 2022 5:55 pm<br>
Subject: [TR] Why<br>
<br>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Jonmac is in grumpy old git mode today!<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Took the dog for a shorter walk today because of the rain.=
 This meant me on my mobility scooter with dog alongside, traversing a near=
by industrial estate where there=E2=80=99s a car body shop specialising in =
repainting and lots of difficult sheet metal stuff. I know them all quite w=
ell and the dogs always welcome, so I=E2=80=99m allowed inside to see what =
they=E2=80=99re doing and having a chat. Today a trainee was reassembling a=
 cylinder head on a Repainted Herald and I was horrified to see the lack of=
 washers under the head nuts. I didn=E2=80=99t say anything but it annoyed =
me. For a start, it flew fully in the face of my training years ago. When f=
itting hardware, you always always always fitted a washer under the bolt he=
ad and another washer under the nut. These days when I watch TV of some blo=
ke fitting something to something else, the use of washers is minimal to no=
n existent. Why? I made that mistake of not using a washer once a long time=
 ago at Jaguar when I was doing my Service Dept training and my omission wa=
s noted by the Senior Foreman who was a stickler for doing things right eve=
ry time, all the time. My punishment? A missed lunch break because it was s=
pent on all fours pushing a one inch diameter plain washer round the lube b=
ay floor with my nose - twice! The first lap was because of what I didn=E2=
=80=99t do and the second was so I=E2=80=99d never forget. That=E2=80=99s h=
ow it was in the U.K. in those days and there was nothing illegal in humili=
ating someone at work and if I=E2=80=99d refused, there would have been a d=
isciplinary. I think that if the trainee I saw not doing his job today was =
told to do what I did sixty years ago, he=E2=80=99d have his employer in co=
urt for damages and unreasonable workplace treatment! It=E2=80=99s these kn=
ow-all jerks on TV like the Top Gear mob, Clarkson, Hammond, Mike Brewer an=
d a few others doing it wrong, that is teaching youngsters that sloppy work=
 is perfectly acceptable.<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Now going back to my hole in the ground where there are fr=
esh leaves, clean moss and an interesting Single Malt awaiting my enjoyment=
.<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">JM<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Lady Astor: =E2=80=9CWinston, if you were my husband, I wo=
uld poison your coffee.=E2=80=9D<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Churchill: =E2=80=9C Madam, if I was your husband,, I=E2=
=80=99d drink it!=E2=80=9D<br>
</div>

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From: dave northrup <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 17:07:00 +0000

Jonmac -

Glad to see you are doing well.  always great to hear from you

Dave Northrup
Dallas, TX

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JM

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