Subject: [TR] TR3A rear main seal w/ engine in

From: Art McEwen <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 13:03:02 -0400

Can a vitron seal be installed while the engine is in place if the gearbox is out?

When I put the car up for winter storage I pulled the gearbox for a rebuild but I quickly realized most of the oil leakage was from the rear main crank seal.  However the winter storage area is gravel beside the garage without room to get an engine lift to the front (or maneuver it well on gravel).  Alternatively, I’d have to push the car up hill into the garage (all my car friends are distant and/or old).

Is it wishful thinking to contemplate pulling the pan and loosening the crank bolts to install the vitron upgraded seal from underneath?

Thanks,

Art
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From: bill beecher <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 12:48:23 -0500

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I would agree with Jerry, can be done, more work, awkward working position. =
 I just did one of these last year with good results but the motor was out. =
  I would recommend Kas K=E2=80=99s book if only for the chapter that covers=
 this seal. =20
Bill

=E2=80=9CLast night I saw upon the stair,
A little man who wasn't there,
He wasn't there again today
Oh, how I wish he'd go away=E2=80=9D.... Mearns

On Nov 3, 2021, at 12:36 PM, jerry van vlack <[email-masked]> wrote:

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Art,
I suppose you could but it wouldn=E2=80=99t be easy and the results might di=
sappoint. In that area in addition to the crank seal you must also carefully=
 seal the rear bearing cap to block cavity. I have found that cavity is as m=
uch if not more of a leak path than the crank. The scroll type seal used on o=
ur cars is really quite good if set up properly by the work shop manual. But=
 in my experience the cap to block seal cavity gets overlooked and I=E2=80=99=
ve seen significant leakage from a poor job with that area. Might be hard do=
ing that from below. Many an engine rebuild has disappointed the owner becau=
se the cap to block is actually leaking but the crank seal gets the blame.
=20
Just my 2 cents worth.
=20
JVV
=20
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=20
Sent from Mail for Windows
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From: Art McEwen
Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 1:03 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [TR] TR3A rear main seal w/ engine in
=20
Can a vitron seal be installed while the engine is in place if the gearbox i=
s out?
=20
When I put the car up for winter storage I pulled the gearbox for a rebuild b=
ut I quickly realized most of the oil leakage was from the rear main crank s=
eal.  However the winter storage area is gravel beside the garage without ro=
om to get an engine lift to the front (or maneuver it well on gravel).  Alte=
rnatively, I=E2=80=99d have to push the car up hill into the garage (all my c=
ar friends are distant and/or old).
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Is it wishful thinking to contemplate pulling the pan and loosening the cran=
k bolts to install the vitron upgraded seal from underneath?
=20
Thanks,
=20
Art
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I would agree with Jerry, can be done, more=
 work, awkward working position. &nbsp;I just did one of these last year wit=
h good results but the motor was out. &nbsp; I would recommend Kas K=E2=80=99=
s book if only for the chapter that covers this seal. &nbsp;<div>Bill<br><br=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">=
=E2=80=9CLast night I saw upon the stair,<br>A little man who wasn't there,<=
br>He wasn't there again today<br>Oh, how I wish he'd go away=E2=80=9D.... M=
earns</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Nov 3, 2021, at 12:36 PM, jerry va=
n vlack &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=
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asy and the results might disappoint. In that area in addition to the crank s=
eal you must also carefully seal the rear bearing cap to block cavity. I hav=
e found that cavity is as much if not more of a leak path than the crank. Th=
e scroll type seal used on our cars is really quite good if set up properly b=
y the work shop manual. But in my experience the cap to block seal cavity ge=
ts overlooked and I=E2=80=99ve seen significant leakage from a poor job with=
 that area. Might be hard doing that from below. Many an engine rebuild has d=
isappointed the owner because the cap to block is actually leaking but the c=
rank seal gets the blame.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">Just my 2 cents worth.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">JVV<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
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ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Art McEwen</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday=
, November 3, 2021 1:03 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject: </b>[TR] TR3A rear main s=
eal w/ engine in</p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">Can a vitron seal be installed while the engine is in place=
 if the gearbox is out?</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">When I put the car up for winter storage I pulled the gear=
box for a rebuild but I quickly realized most of the oil leakage was from th=
e rear main crank seal.&nbsp; However the winter storage area is gravel besi=
de the garage without room to get an engine lift to the front (or maneuver i=
t well on gravel).&nbsp; Alternatively, I=E2=80=99d have to push the car up h=
ill into the garage (all my car friends are distant and/or old).</p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Is it wishful thi=
nking to contemplate pulling the pan and loosening the crank bolts to instal=
l the vitron upgraded seal from underneath?</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p=
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From: Art McEwen <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 20:18:15 -0400

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Thanks all, yeah reading the instructions further I guess it was wishful thi=
nking.

Thanks

> On Nov 3, 2021, at 3:01 PM, Cliff Hansen <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> I think you=E2=80=99d have to remove the timing cover and timing chain to g=
et the crankshaft to move that far.
> =20
> My opinion =E2=80=93 it would be less work to pull the engine than to try t=
o replace the rear seal on the car.
> Cliff
> From: Frank Fisher
> Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 11:10 AM
> To: [email-masked]; Art McEwen
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A rear main seal w/ engine in
> =20
> you would have to drop the crank a long way Art.
> =20
> maybe as much as 4/5 inches
> =20
> Frank
> =20
> On Wednesday, November 3, 2021, 10:03:31 AM PDT, Art McEwen <artwmcewen@gm=
ail.com> wrote:
> =20
> =20
> Can a vitron seal be installed while the engine is in place if the gearbox=
 is out?
> =20
> When I put the car up for winter storage I pulled the gearbox for a rebuil=
d but I quickly realized most of the oil leakage was from the rear main cran=
k seal.  However the winter storage area is gravel beside the garage without=
 room to get an engine lift to the front (or maneuver it well on gravel).  A=
lternatively, I=E2=80=99d have to push the car up hill into the garage (all m=
y car friends are distant and/or old).
> =20
> Is it wishful thinking to contemplate pulling the pan and loosening the cr=
ank bolts to install the vitron upgraded seal from underneath?
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Tha=
nks all, yeah reading the instructions further I guess it was wishful thinki=
ng.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Nov 3, 2021, at 3:01 PM, Cliff Hansen=
 &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquo=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think you=E2=80=99d have to remove the timing cover=
 and timing chain to get the crankshaft to move that far.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">My opinion =E2=80=93 it would be less work to pull th=
e engine than to try to replace the rear seal on the car.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cliff</p>
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<b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, November 3, 2021 11:10 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
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Art McEwen</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [TR] TR3A rear main seal w/ engine in</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Hel=
vetica&quot;,sans-serif">you would have to drop the crank a long way Art.<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Hel=
vetica&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Hel=
vetica&quot;,sans-serif">maybe as much as 4/5 inches<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Hel=
vetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">On Wednesday, November 3, 2021, 10:03=
:31 AM PDT, Art McEwen &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Hel=
vetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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vetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Hel=
vetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">Can a vitron seal be installed while t=
he engine is in place if the gearbox is out?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Hel=
vetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Hel=
vetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">When I put the car up for winter stor=
age I pulled the gearbox for a rebuild but I quickly realized most of the oi=
l leakage was from the rear main crank seal.&nbsp;
 However the winter storage area is gravel beside the garage without room to=
 get an engine lift to the front (or maneuver it well on gravel).&nbsp; Alte=
rnatively, I=E2=80=99d have to push the car up hill into the garage (all my c=
ar friends are distant and/or old).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Hel=
vetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Hel=
vetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">Is it wishful thinking to contemplate=
 pulling the pan and loosening the crank bolts to install the vitron upgrade=
d seal from underneath?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Hel=
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</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Hel=
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