Subject: Re: [TR] [NET] Incantation

From: Dave Connitt <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 15:31:42 -0500

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Cliff,
I agree. The long stud I used was about 2-1/2=E2=80=9D and I had to rotate t=
he transmission to allow the clutch arm to clear the left side floor pan but=
 then I rotated the transmission back upright and =E2=80=9Chung=E2=80=9D the=
 transmission on that long stud. That lined up the input shaft with the clut=
ch pressure plate. With the transmission is 4th gear, I rotated the u-joint a=
 bit to line up the input shaft spline with the clutch disk and it slid home=
. Unfortunately, this process was developed as a result of my many transmiss=
ion/overdrive problems which are thankfully behind me!

Dave Connitt=20

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 15, 2021, at 3:19 PM, Cliff Hansen <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Dave(s),
> =20
> I found that using a long guide bolt was a problem but perhaps my method w=
as faulty.=20
> =20
> In my case, I had to rotate the transmission to put the clutch lever downw=
ards in order to clear the driver=E2=80=99s side floor pan. Once the transmi=
ssion is close to the engine, then I could rotate it back to its upright pos=
ition, and slide onto guide studs that were perhaps 2=E2=80=9D at most. I=E2=
=80=99ll second the suggestion to look at the gap between engine and transmi=
ssion from in front of the firewall, to judge when the front of the bell hou=
sing is parallel with the rear of the engine. That=E2=80=99s when the input s=
haft aligns with the pilot bushing.
> =20
> Best of luck,
> =20
> Cliff
> =20
> =20
> Sent from Mail for Windows
> =20
> From: David Friedlander
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 1:02 PM
> To: Dave Connitt
> Cc: TR3 Triumphs; [email-masked]; New England Triumphs; Philip Gott
> Subject: Re: [TR] [NET] Incantation
> =20
> Thanks, David. I'll give that a try. I haven't tried  to move the yoke=20
> any while pushing in on the tranny but I'll try doing that while also=20
> giving the guide-bolt a try.I don't want to be putting too much=20
> stress on the flange of a cast aluminum bell housing though...
> =20
> Dave
> =20
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 5:12 PM Dave Connitt <[email-masked]> wrote:
> Dave,
> Here is what I have done to install my transmission and it can be done by y=
ourself.=20
> 1. =46rom the rear of the engine, remove that top center stud that bolts t=
he transmission to the block. Take it to your local hardware store and buy t=
he longest bolt you can find in that thread size.=20
> 2.  Cut the head off the long bolt you just bought and round that end so y=
ou end up with a stud and screw that into that upper center hole in the bloc=
k.
> 3. Position the transmission so you can slide ii on to that stud and push i=
t forward. The transmission input shaft will be lined up with the clutch dis=
k and you should just have to rotate the driveshaft yoke to send it home.
> Dave Connitt=20
> =20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
>=20
> On Nov 11, 2021, at 4:56 PM, David Friedlander <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Thanks for the feedback thus far, gentlemen.
> =20
> My effort only included the transmission. I didn't service or=20
> disassemble the clutch at all. I only replaced the throw-out=20
> bearing, the sleeve for the TO bearing, the fork and pin and=20
> the cross-shaft bushings. The output  shaft will now not=20
> turn when in gear, signifying to me that the input shaft has=20
> now aligned with the splines in the clutch.
> =20
> Dave
> =20
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 4:41 PM Philip Gott <[email-masked]> wrote:
> Dave;
> We=E2=80=99ve found that standing on your head while you turn the tail sha=
ft a little bit at a time  with the transmission in gear helps to align the s=
plines on the input shaft with the clutch. (You did first align the clutch w=
ith the pilot bearing in the end of the crankshaft, right? If you took it ap=
art and did not touch the clutch, you=E2=80=99re ok on this already. ) also t=
ry rotating the transmission about the input shaft axis a bit. That helps to=
 align the splines.
> Good luck!
> Phil G
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
>=20
> On Nov 11, 2021, at 4:32 PM, David Friedlander via NET <net@newenglandtriu=
mphs.org> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Greetings, listers!
> =20
> I have now replaced the throwout bearing and sleeve on my OD transmission=20=

> and am trying to re-mate it with the engine. It's been several days of jac=
king,
> maneuvering and pushing the tranny, to no avail. One won't get closer than=
 an=20
> inch to an inch-and-a-half to the other. Holes in the flanges of both line=
 up,=20
> the engine and transmission seem to be on the same plane but that's as far=
=20
> as it goes.=20
> =20
> On what page of the manual is the incantation to speak over this effort? =20=

> Must be spoken with a Limey accent, right?  :- )
>=20
> Dave
> '59 TR3A
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Cliff,<div>I agree. The long stud I used wa=
s about 2-1/2=E2=80=9D and I had to rotate the transmission to allow the clu=
tch arm to clear the left side floor pan but then I rotated the transmission=
 back upright and =E2=80=9Chung=E2=80=9D the transmission on that long stud.=
 That lined up the input shaft with the clutch pressure plate. With the tran=
smission is 4th gear, I rotated the u-joint a bit to line up the input shaft=
 spline with the clutch disk and it slid home. Unfortunately, this process w=
as developed as a result of my many transmission/overdrive problems which ar=
e thankfully behind me!</div><div><br></div><div>Dave Connitt&nbsp;</div><di=
v><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite">On Nov 15, 2021, at 3:19 PM, Cliff Hansen &lt;cliff_hanse=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dave(s),</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I found that using a long guide bolt was a problem bu=
t perhaps my method was faulty.&nbsp;
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In my case, I had to rotate the transmission to put t=
he clutch lever downwards in order to clear the driver=E2=80=99s side floor p=
an. Once the transmission is close to the engine, then I could rotate it bac=
k to its upright position, and slide onto
 guide studs that were perhaps 2=E2=80=9D at most. I=E2=80=99ll second the s=
uggestion to look at the gap between engine and transmission from in front o=
f the firewall, to judge when the front of the bell housing is parallel with=
 the rear of the engine. That=E2=80=99s when the input
 shaft aligns with the pilot bushing.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best of luck,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cliff</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">David Friedlander</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Monday, November 15, 2021 1:02 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Dave Connitt</a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">TR3 Triumphs</a>; <a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">
[email-masked]</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">New Engl=
and Triumphs</a>;
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Philip Gott</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [TR] [NET] Incantation</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099">Thanks, David. I'll give that a try. I haven=
't&nbsp;tried&nbsp; to move the yoke&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099">any while pushing in on the tranny but I'll t=
ry doing that while also&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099">giving the guide-bolt a try.I don't want to b=
e putting too much&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099">stress on the flange of a cast aluminum bell=
 housing though...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099">Dave<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 5:12 PM Dave Connitt &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p>=
</p>
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<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dave,<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Here is what I have done to install my transmission a=
nd it can be done by yourself.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">1. =46rom the rear of the engine, remove that top cen=
ter stud that bolts the transmission to the block. Take it to your local har=
dware store and buy the longest bolt you can find in that thread size.&nbsp;=
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">2.&nbsp; Cut the head off the long bolt you just boug=
ht and round that end so you end up with a stud and screw that into that upp=
er center hole in the block.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">3. Position the transmission so you can slide ii on t=
o that stud and push it forward. The transmission input shaft will be lined u=
p with the clutch disk and you should just have to rotate the driveshaft yok=
e to send it home.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dave Connitt&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Nov 11, 2021, at 4:=
56 PM, David Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=EF=BB=BF<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099">Thanks for the feedback thus far, gentlemen.=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099">My effort only included the transmission. I d=
idn't service or&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099">disassemble the clutch at all. I only replac=
ed the throw-out&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099">bearing, the sleeve for the TO bearing, the f=
ork and pin and&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099">the cross-shaft bushings. The output&nbsp; s=
haft will now not&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099">turn when in&nbsp;gear, signifying to me tha=
t the&nbsp;input shaft has&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099">now aligned with the splines in the clutch.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099">Dave<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 4:41 PM Philip Gott &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dave;<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We=E2=80=99ve found that standing on your head while y=
ou turn the tail shaft a little bit at a time &nbsp;with the transmission in=
 gear helps to align the splines on the input shaft with the clutch. (You di=
d first align the clutch with the pilot bearing
 in the end of the crankshaft, right? If you took it apart and did not touch=
 the clutch, you=E2=80=99re ok on this already. ) also try rotating the tran=
smission about the input shaft axis a bit. That helps to align the splines.<=
o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Good luck!<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Phil G<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Nov 11, 2021, at 4:=
32 PM, David Friedlander via NET &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:net@newenglandtriumph=
s.org" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p=
></p>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=EF=BB=BF<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099">Greetings, listers!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099">I have now replaced the throwout bearing and=
 sleeve on my OD transmission&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099">and am trying to re-mate it with the engine.=
 It's been several days of jacking,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099">maneuvering and pushing the&nbsp;tranny, to n=
o avail. One won't get closer than an&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099">inch to an inch-and-a-half to the other. Hol=
es in the flanges of both line up,&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099">the engine and transmission seem to be on th=
e same plane but that's as far&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099">as it goes.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099">On what page of the manual is the incantatio=
n to speak over this effort?&nbsp;&nbsp;<br>
Must be spoken with a Limey accent, right?&nbsp; :- )<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;;color:#000099"><br>
Dave<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
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