Subject: [TR] Ref incantation

From: Edward Hamer <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 19:23:23 +0000

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I have had this issue several times.  Tha input shift is not entering the p=
ilot bearing.  The alignment has to be almost perfect.

Use a couple of extra long bolts with the heads cut off.  Once the tranny i=
s close walk around to the rear of the engine compartment and look down the=
 firewall to see how well the Trans flange and the engine plate are aligned=
.

I usually use a jack and a piece of wood under the oil pan to lift the rear=
 of the engine up and place a long rod or similar under the rear of the Tra=
ns.  Once the engine/turns are paralleled they will slide together with no =
issues.

Edward Hamer
Petaluma CA

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I have had this issue several times.&nbsp; Tha input shift is not entering =
the pilot bearing.&nbsp; The alignment has to be almost perfect.</div>
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Use a couple of extra long bolts with the heads cut off.&nbsp; Once the tra=
nny is close walk around to the rear of the engine compartment and look dow=
n the firewall to see how well the Trans flange and the engine plate are al=
igned.</div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(33, 33, 33); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);=
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<br>
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<div style=3D"color: rgb(33, 33, 33); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);=
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I usually use a jack and a piece of wood under the oil pan to lift the rear=
 of the engine up and place a long rod or similar under the rear of the Tra=
ns.&nbsp; Once the engine/turns are paralleled they will slide together wit=
h no issues.</div>
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From: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
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*"Once the engine/turns are paralleled they will slide together with no
issues."*

So, I have heard, Ed. It just has not yet worked out that way for me....

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 2:23 PM Edward Hamer <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I have had this issue several times.  Tha input shift is not entering the
> pilot bearing.  The alignment has to be almost perfect.
>
> Use a couple of extra long bolts with the heads cut off.  Once the tranny
> is close walk around to the rear of the engine compartment and look down
> the firewall to see how well the Trans flange and the engine plate are
> aligned.
>
> I usually use a jack and a piece of wood under the oil pan to lift the
> rear of the engine up and place a long rod or similar under the rear of the
> Trans.  Once the engine/turns are paralleled they will slide together with
> no issues.
>
> Edward Hamer
> Petaluma CA
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099"><i><b>&quot;<span style=3D"=
color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"=
>Once the engine/turns are paralleled they will slide together with no issu=
es.&quot;</span></b></i></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099"><i><span style=
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all"><br></span></i></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D""><font fac=
e=3D"comic sans ms, sans-serif" style=3D"" size=3D"4" color=3D"#0000ff">So,=
 I have heard, Ed. It just has not yet worked out that way for me....</font=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D""><font face=3D"comic sans ms,=
 sans-serif" style=3D"" size=3D"4" color=3D"#0000ff"><br></font></div><div =
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 style=3D"" size=3D"4" color=3D"#0000ff"><br></font></div></div><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 12, 2=
021 at 2:23 PM Edward Hamer &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">hdrid=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddi=
ng-left:1ex">

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"auto">
I have had this issue several times.=C2=A0 Tha input shift is not entering =
the pilot bearing.=C2=A0 The alignment has to be almost perfect.</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" dir=3D=
"auto">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" dir=3D=
"auto">
Use a couple of extra long bolts with the heads cut off.=C2=A0 Once the tra=
nny is close walk around to the rear of the engine compartment and look dow=
n the firewall to see how well the Trans flange and the engine plate are al=
igned.</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" dir=3D=
"auto">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" dir=3D=
"auto">
I usually use a jack and a piece of wood under the oil pan to lift the rear=
 of the engine up and place a long rod or similar under the rear of the Tra=
ns.=C2=A0 Once the engine/turns are paralleled they will slide together wit=
h no issues.</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" dir=3D=
"auto">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" dir=3D=
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Edward Hamer</div>
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From: Edward Hamer <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 21:00:36 +0000

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You just have to persevier. It is surprising how far out of paralleled you =
can be if you only look from the rear forward.

Edward Hamer
Petaluma CA

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From: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 11:27:39 AM
To: Edward Hamer <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] Ref incantation

"Once the engine/turns are paralleled they will slide together with no issu=
es."

[email-masked]>> wrote:

Edward Hamer
Petaluma CA

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You just have to persevier. It is surprising how far out of paralleled you =
can be if you only look from the rear forward.</div>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Edward Hamer</div>
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<i><b>&quot;<span style=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:Arial,Helvetica=
,sans-serif; font-size:small">Once the engine/turns are paralleled they wil=
l slide together with no issues.&quot;</span></b></i></div>
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-serif" size=3D"4" color=3D"#0000ff" style=3D"">So, I have heard, Ed. It ju=
st has not yet worked out that way for me....</font></div>
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gt; wrote:<br>
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er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204); padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33); background-color:rgb(255,25=
5,255)">I have had this issue several times.&nbsp; Tha input shift is not e=
ntering the pilot bearing.&nbsp; The alignment has to be almost perfect.</d=
iv>
<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33); background-color:rgb(255,25=
5,255)"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33); background-color:rgb(255,25=
5,255)">Use a couple of extra long bolts with the heads cut off.&nbsp; Once=
 the tranny is close walk around to the rear of the engine compartment and =
look down the firewall to see how well the
 Trans flange and the engine plate are aligned.</div>
<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33); background-color:rgb(255,25=
5,255)"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33); background-color:rgb(255,25=
5,255)">I usually use a jack and a piece of wood under the oil pan to lift =
the rear of the engine up and place a long rod or similar under the rear of=
 the Trans.&nbsp; Once the engine/turns are
 paralleled they will slide together with no issues.</div>
<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33); background-color:rgb(255,25=
5,255)"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33); background-color:rgb(255,25=
5,255)">Edward Hamer</div>
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From: Greg Lemon <[email-masked]>
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I take a cruder approach, but it has been fairly effective, get the thing
started and propped up.  Assuming your seats are removed sit on the prop
shaft tunnel, push the front lip of the transmission forward with your feet
while manipulating the end of the transmission and turning the tail shaft
with your hand.  A little fettling and with any luck you will quickly find
the sweet spot and it will slide right in and you get that satisfying clunk
when it hits home.

Greg Lemon
TR250

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<div dir=3D"auto">I take a cruder approach, but it has been fairly effectiv=
e, get the thing started and propped up.=C2=A0 Assuming your seats are remo=
ved sit on the prop shaft tunnel, push the front lip of the transmission fo=
rward with your feet while manipulating the end of the transmission and tur=
ning the tail shaft with your hand.=C2=A0 A little fettling and with any lu=
ck you will quickly find the sweet spot and it will slide right in and you =
get that satisfying clunk when it hits home.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">Greg Lemon</div><div dir=3D"au=
to">TR250</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 12, 2021, 1:28 PM David Friedlander &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">forzion=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099"><i><b>&quot;<span style=3D"color:rg=
b(33,33,33);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Once th=
e engine/turns are paralleled they will slide together with no issues.&quot=
;</span></b></i></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:com=
ic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099"><i><span style=3D"colo=
r:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br=
></span></i></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"comic sans ms,=
 sans-serif" size=3D"4" color=3D"#0000ff">So, I have heard, Ed. It just has=
 not yet worked out that way for me....</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault"><font face=3D"comic sans ms, sans-serif" size=3D"4" color=3D"#0000ff"=
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lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 12, =
2021 at 2:23 PM Edward Hamer &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=
=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

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<div style=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" dir=3D=
"auto">
I have had this issue several times.=C2=A0 Tha input shift is not entering =
the pilot bearing.=C2=A0 The alignment has to be almost perfect.</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" dir=3D=
"auto">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" dir=3D=
"auto">
Use a couple of extra long bolts with the heads cut off.=C2=A0 Once the tra=
nny is close walk around to the rear of the engine compartment and look dow=
n the firewall to see how well the Trans flange and the engine plate are al=
igned.</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" dir=3D=
"auto">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" dir=3D=
"auto">
I usually use a jack and a piece of wood under the oil pan to lift the rear=
 of the engine up and place a long rod or similar under the rear of the Tra=
ns.=C2=A0 Once the engine/turns are paralleled they will slide together wit=
h no issues.</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" dir=3D=
"auto">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" dir=3D=
"auto">
Edward Hamer</div>
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"auto">
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From: Bob <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 08:34:00 -0500

I have been reading all the posts on this topic all week.

I was fortunate to have an input shaft that I sourced at a junk yard 
over 50 years ago. I used this shaft to align the clutch and have never 
had any problems described in all the posts.

Was I just lucky? I dont think so.

One of these days the shaft will end up at 
https://britishautosalvage.com/index.html. So far I have delivered 3 
truck loads of spares and will continue until all my spares find their 
new home.

I still have a cellar and garage attic full to go but I am making 
progress. My restoration days are long over.

Bob