Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 235

From: Alan & Lyn Dunscombe <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 11:23:31 +1300

Thanks Guy
good suggestion.
My panel beater is already organised to fill the interior of the sills 
with the correct anti-rust wax etc.
I was thinking more about the exposed exterior of the sills & 'A' panel etc.

thanks for your suggestions

regards
Alan

AW&  LJ Dunscombe
Porthcurno Pointers&  Barton Border Terriers
New Zealand
www.porthcurno.org
www.bartonborders.org

On 11/11/2021 8:00 a.m., [email-masked] wrote:
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 08:50:52 -0600
> From: Guy Huggins<[email-masked]>
> To: Alan&  Lyn Dunscombe<[email-masked]>
> Cc: Triumph Mailing List<[email-masked]>
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR2 sill / bulkhead sealing
> Message-ID:<[email-masked]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> When I restored my car, I had the same question about rust developing in enclosed areas, especially the insides of the chassis.
> I ended up creating a ?soup? of melted paraffin wax and linseed oil, and injecting it.
> The linseed oil keeps the wax from hardening all the way, and ends up like a slush.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Guy D. Huggins
> [email-masked]
> 817.454.6415
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 10, 2021, at 5:15 AM, Alan&  Lyn Dunscombe<[email-masked]>  wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Finally after 40 years driving I am getting the sills&  floors on my TR2 replaced, currently at the panel beaters having them welded in. So my question is:-
>
> How to deal with the dirt&  moisture trap made by the "box" enclosed by the bulkhead&  sealing plate at the front, the 'A' pillar at the back, the sill&  front guard (fender in USA) at the bottom,&  the rear of the inner guard etc at the top.
>
> We all know that the factory sealing plate&  rubber seals at the front are meant to stop the road dirt&  moisture getting in, but don't do it very well. Then when it rains the water comes in between the side of the bonnet (hood in USA)&  the front guards onto the top of the inner guard (fender), plus at the rear end of the bonnet it runs down from the gutter at the front of the bulkhead into the gap at the rear of the inner guard which is cleverly angled so that all this water drips off the back end into the above mentioned "box" enclosure where it combines with the road dirt etc and eventually rots out the front of the sill and the side kick panel in the cockpit&  then the front of the floors.
>
> General consensus seem to be that we should remove the bulkhead sealing plates each year and clean out all this accumulated 'crud' and dry out this area before replacing them.
>
> Has anyone come up with a way of draining this area so it doesn't stay damp?
>
> What is the consensus on the best treatment  of this front part of the sill and bottom of the inner side of the guard etc. to stop rust attacking it?
>
> All suggestions gratefully received.
>
> cheers,
>
> stay safe,
>
> Alan     TS3612
>
>
>
> AW&  LJ Dunscombe
> New Zealand
>    
>
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From: Alan & Lyn Dunscombe <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 11:34:21 +1300

Dave
thanks for your reply, some great suggestions there.
Your point about putty / dum-dum sealing the gutter between the top edge 
of fender and bulkhead is excellent.
I will make sure this is properly done when it goes back together, I 
will also be putting anti-seize on all the fasteners when re-assembling 
and substitute stainless steel bolts & nuts at the bottom edge of the 
fender each side.

I appreciate your help

cheers

Alan

AW&  LJ Dunscombe
New Zealand

AW&  LJ Dunscombe

On 11/11/2021 8:00 a.m., [email-masked] wrote:
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 07:16:39 -0800 (PST)
> From: DAVE HOGYE<[email-masked]>
> To: Alan&  Lyn Dunscombe<[email-masked]>,
> 	[email-masked]
> Message-ID:<[email-masked]>
> > From the factory when new, there was no paint where you don't see.  The bodies were painted after assembly.  So, rust happens quickly where paint was never applied.  If you prepare and paint everything before assembly, there shouldn't be a huge problem with rust.  The fill panel with it's rubber seals between the bulk head and fender doesn't seal very well.  You just have to be a little creative to improve the seal.  Perhaps inject some expandable foam behind the rubber seals to back them up.  The gutter between the top edge of the fender and hood/bonnet gap got a packing of putty, dumb-dumb, right at the bulkhead from the factory so water and debris wouldn't run down and fill boxed-in space behind the fender fill panel.  With some care and the fact that the car might not be used in the same way it did in the first 60 years of it's life you might not have to be too concerned.  Yes, you could remove the fill panel on occasion to check and clean that space.  Also remove the three bolt
>   s at the bottom edge of the fender to help get it good and clean.  Or, just let the next custodian deal with it.  When I built TS46235 every single body fastener got a little anti-seeze, so the fasteners would not rust an be easier to remove.
> Dave Hogye
> TS2172LO
> TS46235L
> TS51651L
>
>    
>>      On 11/10/2021 3:15 AM Alan&  Lyn Dunscombe<[email-masked]>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>      Hi all
>>

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From: Bob Westerdale <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 00:16:05 +0000 (UTC)

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 About 30 years ago, when replacing most of the sheet metal on the bottom o=
f my TR3, I noticed that the waterdrainage path from most of the upper surf=
aces of the car was routed into the bottom interior of the two front fender=
s.Realizing this very slight design oversight had allowed the car to become=
 a water-tanker, ( for a short while, anyway)I decided to re-route the wate=
r through a pair of bendable copper tubes, which conducted the water harmle=
ssly to the=C2=A0ground below.=C2=A0 =C2=A0The tubing was set in some 3M bo=
dy dum-dum to ensure it's safe exit,=C2=A0 and all is well now.I'm hoping t=
he pics I attached don't get trashed on the way.... ( See below, perhaps...=
)enjoy,BW59 TR3 TS 36967
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021, 05:35:15 PM EST, Alan & Lyn Dunscombe =
<[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
 Dave
thanks for your reply, some great suggestions there.
Your point about putty / dum-dum sealing the gutter between the top edge=20
of fender and bulkhead is excellent.
I will make sure this is properly done when it goes back together, I=20
will also be putting anti-seize on all the fasteners when re-assembling=20
and substitute stainless steel bolts & nuts at the bottom edge of the=20
fender each side.

I appreciate your help

cheers

Alan

AW&=C2=A0 LJ Dunscombe
New Zealand

AW&=C2=A0 LJ Dunscombe
Porthcurno Pointers&=C2=A0 Barton Border Terriers
New Zealand
www.porthcurno.org
www.bartonborders.org

On 11/11/2021 8:00 a.m., [email-masked] wrote:
> To: Alan&=C2=A0 Lyn Dunscombe<[email-masked]>,
> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 [email-masked]
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"
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> > From the factory when new, there was no paint where you don't see.=C2=
=A0 The bodies were painted after assembly.=C2=A0 So, rust happens quickly =
where paint was never applied.=C2=A0 If you prepare and paint everything be=
fore assembly, there shouldn't be a huge problem with rust.=C2=A0 The fill =
panel with it's rubber seals between the bulk head and fender doesn't seal =
very well.=C2=A0 You just have to be a little creative to improve the seal.=
=C2=A0 Perhaps inject some expandable foam behind the rubber seals to back =
them up.=C2=A0 The gutter between the top edge of the fender and hood/bonne=
t gap got a packing of putty, dumb-dumb, right at the bulkhead from the fac=
tory so water and debris wouldn't run down and fill boxed-in space behind t=
he fender fill panel.=C2=A0 With some care and the fact that the car might =
not be used in the same way it did in the first 60 years of it's life you m=
ight not have to be too concerned.=C2=A0 Yes, you could remove the fill pan=
el on occasion to check and clean that space.=C2=A0 Also remove the three b
 olt
>=C2=A0 s at the bottom edge of the fender to help get it good and clean.=
=C2=A0 Or, just let the next custodian deal with it.=C2=A0 When I built TS4=
6235 every single body fastener got a little anti-seeze, so the fasteners w=
ould not rust an be easier to remove.
> Dave Hogye
> TS2172LO
> TS46235L
> TS51651L
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=20
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 On 11/10/2021 3:15 AM Alan&=C2=A0 Lyn Dunscombe<duns=
[email-masked]>=C2=A0 wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hi all
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Finally after 40 years driving I am getting the sill=
s&=C2=A0 floors on my TR2 replaced, currently at the panel beaters having t=
hem welded in. So my question is:-
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 How to deal with the dirt&=C2=A0 moisture trap made =
by the "box" enclosed by the bulkhead&=C2=A0 sealing plate at the front, th=
e 'A' pillar at the back, the sill&=C2=A0 front guard (fender in USA) at th=
e bottom,&=C2=A0 the rear of the inner guard etc at the top.
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 We all know that the factory sealing plate&=C2=A0 ru=
bber seals at the front are meant to stop the road dirt&=C2=A0 moisture get=
ting in, but don't do it very well. Then when it rains the water comes in b=
etween the side of the bonnet (hood in USA)&=C2=A0 the front guards onto th=
e top of the inner guard (fender), plus at the rear end of the bonnet it ru=
ns down from the gutter at the front of the bulkhead into the gap at the re=
ar of the inner guard which is cleverly angled so that all this water drips=
 off the back end into the above mentioned "box" enclosure where it combine=
s with the road dirt etc and eventually rots out the front of the sill and =
the side kick panel in the cockpit&=C2=A0 then the front of the floors.
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 General consensus seem to be that we should remove t=
he bulkhead sealing plates each year and clean out all this accumulated 'cr=
ud' and dry out this area before replacing them.
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Has anyone come up with a way of draining this area =
so it doesn't stay damp?
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 What is the consensus on the best treatment=C2=A0 of=
 this front part of the sill and bottom of the inner side of the guard etc.=
 to stop rust attacking it?
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 All suggestions gratefully received.
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 cheers,
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 stay safe,
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Alan=C2=A0 =C2=A0 TS3612
>>
>>
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 AW&=C2=A0 LJ Dunscombe
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 New Zealand
>>
>>
>>
>>
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&amp; Lyn Dunscombe &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><br></div>
                <div><div dir=3D"ltr">Dave<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">thanks=
 for your reply, some great suggestions there.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Yo=
ur point about putty / dum-dum sealing the gutter between the top edge <br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">of fender and bulkhead is excellent.<br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">I will make sure this is properly done when it goes back togethe=
r, I <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">will also be putting anti-seize on all the =
fasteners when re-assembling <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">and substitute stai=
nless steel bolts &amp; nuts at the bottom edge of the <br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">fender each side.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">I appreciate your help<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">cheers<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Alan<br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">AW&amp;&nbsp; LJ Dunscombe=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">New Zealand<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">AW&amp;&nbsp; LJ Dunscombe<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Porth=
curno Pointers&amp;&nbsp; Barton Border Terriers<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
New Zealand<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">www.porthcurno.org<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">www.bartonborders.org<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">On 11/11/202=
1 8:00 a.m., <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofo=
llow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Message: 4<br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 07:16:39 -0800 (PST)<br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; From: DAVE HOGYE&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dlhogye@comcast.=
net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; To: Alan&amp;&nbsp; Lyn Dunscombe&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">dunscom=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;,<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"=
_blank">[email-masked]</a><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Subject:=
 Re: [TR] TR2 sill / bulkhead sealing<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Messag=
e-ID:&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
om" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">87722902.1487495.1636557400057@conne=
ct.xfinity.com</a>&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Content-Type: text/pl=
ain; charset=3D"utf-8"<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">&gt; &gt; From the factory when new, there was no paint where you don'=
t see.&nbsp; The bodies were painted after assembly.&nbsp; So, rust happens=
 quickly where paint was never applied.&nbsp; If you prepare and paint ever=
ything before assembly, there shouldn't be a huge problem with rust.&nbsp; =
The fill panel with it's rubber seals between the bulk head and fender does=
n't seal very well.&nbsp; You just have to be a little creative to improve =
the seal.&nbsp; Perhaps inject some expandable foam behind the rubber seals=
 to back them up.&nbsp; The gutter between the top edge of the fender and h=
ood/bonnet gap got a packing of putty, dumb-dumb, right at the bulkhead fro=
m the factory so water and debris wouldn't run down and fill boxed-in space=
 behind the fender fill panel.&nbsp; With some care and the fact that the c=
ar might not be used in the same way it did in the first 60 years of it's l=
ife you might not have to be too concerned.&nbsp; Yes, you could remove the=
 fill panel on occasion to check and clean that space.&nbsp; Also remove th=
e three b<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"> olt<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&nbs=
p;  s at the bottom edge of the fender to help get it good and clean.&nbsp;=
 Or, just let the next custodian deal with it.&nbsp; When I built TS46235 e=
very single body fastener got a little anti-seeze, so the fasteners would n=
ot rust an be easier to remove.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Dave Hogye<b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; TS2172LO<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; TS462=
35L<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; TS51651L<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;=
&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; On 11/10/2021 3:15 AM Alan&amp;&nbsp; Lyn Dunscomb=
e&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;&nbsp; wrote:<br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt;<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Hi=
 all<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt;&=
nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Finally after 40 years driving I am getting the sills&a=
mp;&nbsp; floors on my TR2 replaced, currently at the panel beaters having =
them welded in. So my question is:-<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt;<br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; How to deal with the dir=
t&amp;&nbsp; moisture trap made by the "box" enclosed by the bulkhead&amp;&=
nbsp; sealing plate at the front, the 'A' pillar at the back, the sill&amp;=
&nbsp; front guard (fender in USA) at the bottom,&amp;&nbsp; the rear of th=
e inner guard etc at the top.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt;<br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; We all know that the factory s=
ealing plate&amp;&nbsp; rubber seals at the front are meant to stop the roa=
d dirt&amp;&nbsp; moisture getting in, but don't do it very well. Then when=
 it rains the water comes in between the side of the bonnet (hood in USA)&a=
mp;&nbsp; the front guards onto the top of the inner guard (fender), plus a=
t the rear end of the bonnet it runs down from the gutter at the front of t=
he bulkhead into the gap at the rear of the inner guard which is cleverly a=
ngled so that all this water drips off the back end into the above mentione=
d "box" enclosure where it combines with the road dirt etc and eventually r=
ots out the front of the sill and the side kick panel in the cockpit&amp;&n=
bsp; then the front of the floors.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt;<br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; General consensus seem to=
 be that we should remove the bulkhead sealing plates each year and clean o=
ut all this accumulated 'crud' and dry out this area before replacing them.=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt;&nbsp=
; &nbsp; &nbsp; Has anyone come up with a way of draining this area so it d=
oesn't stay damp?<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; What is the consensus on the best treatmen=
t&nbsp; of this front part of the sill and bottom of the inner side of the =
guard etc. to stop rust attacking it?<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt;<br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; All suggestions gratef=
ully received.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; cheers,<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt;<br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; stay safe,<br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nb=
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