Subject: [TR] I'm Back!! TR2 Rear Oil Seal and Brake Drum Removal Issues

From: David Gunn <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 19:42:40 +0000 (UTC)

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Hi - After about a 10 year hiatus due to health issues, I'm back on the lis=
t.=C2=A0 It is good to see that this list is still going strong, and was in=
 awe that the Dot 3 v. Dot 5 controversy still exists.=C2=A0=20
I have a 1954 TR2 longdoor, TS3388L.=C2=A0 I rebuilt every system (brakes, =
electrical, fuel, cooling) 10-15 years ago.=C2=A0 I did not have to open up=
 the engine, transmission or rear end, as they seemed to be working just fi=
ne.=C2=A0 It is close to original; although it does have a TR3 engine and d=
isc brakes on the front (I didn't do it).=C2=A0 Everything from the transmi=
ssion back is original.
When I parked it, I, unfortunately, did nothing.=C2=A0 So, I know that I wi=
ll need to redo and rebuild all of the various systems.=C2=A0 I am hoping t=
hat I do not have to remove the gas tank again, as I parked it with a full =
tank of gas.=C2=A0 At some point, I put Marvel Mystery Oil in the cylinders=
.
I drove it many miles all over northern California.=C2=A0 My last drive was=
 up to Lassen Park.=C2=A0 It ran fine; although it developed a leak in one =
of the rear wheel seals.=C2=A0 I replaced both seals, and then both leaked =
(par normal for me).=C2=A0 At that point, it was parked.
Now, I am back to it.=C2=A0 I am starting with the seals.=C2=A0 Someone sug=
gested that driving it with the original (?) seals caused a scaring on the =
axle and that I needed to put a sleeve on the axle to ensure a good seal. D=
oes that make any sense?=C2=A0 Is this something that I can do, or do I nee=
d to take the axles in to a machine shop?

The right rear brake drum came off with minimal effort.=C2=A0 I have not be=
en able to get the left brake drum off.=C2=A0 It has the original 9" drums.=
=C2=A0 I have lightly tapped all the way around, to no avail.=C2=A0 (BTW, I=
 did remove the 2 set screws, and was able to back off the shoes, so it spi=
ns relatively freely.)=C2=A0 I did knock a chip off the drum.=C2=A0 I hope =
that doesn't affect the balance of that wheel?=C2=A0 I have liberally spray=
ed penetrating oil in every crevice I could find.=C2=A0 I have not been bac=
k out to the shop since applying the penetrating oil, due to the poor AQI a=
nd heavy smoke from the wildfires in northern California.=C2=A0=20

One more question:=C2=A0 I have 2 sets of near new brake shoes, but they we=
re soaked with oil.=C2=A0 Somewhere I heard that burying them in a tub of k=
itty litter would draw out the oil.=C2=A0 Is this correct?=C2=A0 An old wiv=
es tale?

So, any advice from the combined wisdom of this group is greatly appreciate=
d.
Thank you,
David

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ly:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Hi - After about a 10 year hiatus due to hea=
lth issues, I'm back on the list.&nbsp; It is good to see that this list is=
 still going strong, and was in awe that the Dot 3 v. Dot 5 controversy sti=
ll exists.&nbsp; <img title=3D"Emoji" alt=3D"Emoji" class=3D"yahoo-emoji-wr=
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a-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I have =
a 1954 TR2 longdoor, TS3388L.&nbsp; I rebuilt every system (brakes, electri=
cal, fuel, cooling) 10-15 years ago.&nbsp; I did not have to open up the en=
gine, transmission or rear end, as they seemed to be working just fine.&nbs=
p; It is close to original; although it does have a TR3 engine and disc bra=
kes on the front (I didn't do it).&nbsp; Everything from the transmission b=
ack is original.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">When I parked it, I, unfortunately, did =
nothing.&nbsp; So, I know that I will need to redo and rebuild all of the v=
arious systems.&nbsp; I am hoping that I do not have to remove the gas tank=
 again, as I parked it with a full tank of gas.&nbsp; At some point, I put =
Marvel Mystery Oil in the cylinders.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"f=
alse"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I drove it many mile=
s all over northern California.&nbsp; My last drive was up to Lassen Park.&=
nbsp; It ran fine; although it developed a leak in one of the rear wheel se=
als.&nbsp; I replaced both seals, and then both leaked (par normal for me).=
&nbsp; At that point, it was parked.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"f=
alse"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Now, I am back to it=
.&nbsp; I am starting with the seals.&nbsp; Someone suggested that driving =
it with the original (?) seals caused a scaring on the axle and that I need=
ed to put a sleeve on the axle to ensure a good seal. Does that make any se=
nse?&nbsp; Is this something that I can do, or do I need to take the axles =
in to a machine shop?<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">The right rear brake drum came =
off with minimal effort.&nbsp; I have not been able to get the left brake d=
rum off.&nbsp; It has the original 9" drums.&nbsp; I have lightly tapped al=
l the way around, to no avail.&nbsp; (BTW, I did remove the 2 set screws, a=
nd was able to back off the shoes, so it spins relatively freely.)&nbsp; I =
did knock a chip off the drum.&nbsp; I hope that doesn't affect the balance=
 of that wheel?&nbsp; I have liberally sprayed penetrating oil in every cre=
vice I could find.&nbsp; I have not been back out to the shop since applyin=
g the penetrating oil, due to the poor AQI and heavy smoke from the wildfir=
es in northern California.&nbsp; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"=
false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">One more question:&=
nbsp; I have 2 sets of near new brake shoes, but they were soaked with oil.=
&nbsp; Somewhere I heard that burying them in a tub of kitty litter would d=
raw out the oil.&nbsp; Is this correct?&nbsp; An old wives tale?<br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdi=
r=3D"false">So, any advice from the combined wisdom of this group is greatl=
y appreciated.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Thank you,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setd=
ir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">David<br></di=
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From: bill beecher <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 16:01:24 -0500

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Dave,
Don=E2=80=99t know about speedy sleeves for the axel seals, someone will.=20=

If the brake drum is turning, the only thing keeping it on is the friction f=
it around the hub and studs.   Spraying with PB Blaster/Liquid Wrench or the=
 acetone-ATF mix is a good way to go.   I use a 4lb soft-blow hammer so as n=
ot to chip the brake drum.  If you can get to move a little then a couple of=
 tire irons may help you wiggle off the rest of the way. =20

Never heard of the brake shoe fix you describe, couldn=E2=80=99t hurt.  I ha=
ve had shoes become soaked with brake fluid, sprayed liberally with brake cl=
eaner and scuffed with sandpaper, repeat, worked a treat. =20

Bill B
TS30800L

Last night I saw upon the stair,
A little man who wasn't there,
He wasn't there again today
Oh, how I wish he'd go away.... Mearns

On Aug 30, 2021, at 2:44 PM, David Gunn <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Hi - After about a 10 year hiatus due to health issues, I'm back on the list=
.  It is good to see that this list is still going strong, and was in awe th=
at the Dot 3 v. Dot 5 controversy still exists. =20

I have a 1954 TR2 longdoor, TS3388L.  I rebuilt every system (brakes, electr=
ical, fuel, cooling) 10-15 years ago.  I did not have to open up the engine,=
 transmission or rear end, as they seemed to be working just fine.  It is cl=
ose to original; although it does have a TR3 engine and disc brakes on the f=
ront (I didn't do it).  Everything from the transmission back is original.

When I parked it, I, unfortunately, did nothing.  So, I know that I will nee=
d to redo and rebuild all of the various systems.  I am hoping that I do not=
 have to remove the gas tank again, as I parked it with a full tank of gas. =
 At some point, I put Marvel Mystery Oil in the cylinders.

I drove it many miles all over northern California.  My last drive was up to=
 Lassen Park.  It ran fine; although it developed a leak in one of the rear w=
heel seals.  I replaced both seals, and then both leaked (par normal for me)=
.  At that point, it was parked.

Now, I am back to it.  I am starting with the seals.  Someone suggested that=
 driving it with the original (?) seals caused a scaring on the axle and tha=
t I needed to put a sleeve on the axle to ensure a good seal. Does that make=
 any sense?  Is this something that I can do, or do I need to take the axles=
 in to a machine shop?

The right rear brake drum came off with minimal effort.  I have not been abl=
e to get the left brake drum off.  It has the original 9" drums.  I have lig=
htly tapped all the way around, to no avail.  (BTW, I did remove the 2 set s=
crews, and was able to back off the shoes, so it spins relatively freely.)  I=
 did knock a chip off the drum.  I hope that doesn't affect the balance of t=
hat wheel?  I have liberally sprayed penetrating oil in every crevice I coul=
d find.  I have not been back out to the shop since applying the penetrating=
 oil, due to the poor AQI and heavy smoke from the wildfires in northern Cal=
ifornia. =20

One more question:  I have 2 sets of near new brake shoes, but they were soa=
ked with oil.  Somewhere I heard that burying them in a tub of kitty litter w=
ould draw out the oil.  Is this correct?  An old wives tale?

So, any advice from the combined wisdom of this group is greatly appreciated=
.

Thank you,

David

Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs  http://www.team.net/archive=

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Dave,<div>Don=E2=80=99t know about speedy s=
leeves for the axel seals, someone will.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>If t=
he brake drum is turning, the only thing keeping it on is the friction fit a=
round the hub and studs. &nbsp; Spraying with PB Blaster/Liquid Wrench or th=
e acetone-ATF mix is a good way to go. &nbsp; I use a 4lb soft-blow hammer s=
o as not to chip the brake drum. &nbsp;If you can get to move a little then a=
 couple of tire irons may help you wiggle off the rest of the way. &nbsp;</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>Never heard of the brake shoe fix you describe, could=
n=E2=80=99t hurt. &nbsp;I have had shoes become soaked with brake fluid, spr=
ayed liberally with brake cleaner and scuffed with sandpaper, repeat, worked=
 a treat. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Bill B</div><div>TS30800L</div><di=
v><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0=
);">Last night I saw upon the stair,<br>A little man who wasn't there,<br>He=
 wasn't there again today<br>Oh, how I wish he'd go away.... Mearns</span></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Aug 30, 2021, at 2:44 PM, David Gunn &lt;ccgunn@=
sbcglobal.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div class=3D=
"yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sa=
ns-serif;font-size:13px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Hi - After a=
bout a 10 year hiatus due to health issues, I'm back on the list.&nbsp; It i=
s good to see that this list is still going strong, and was in awe that the D=
ot 3 v. Dot 5 controversy still exists.&nbsp; <img title=3D"Emoji" alt=3D"Em=
oji" class=3D"yahoo-emoji-wrapper" src=3D"https://s.yimg.com/nq/yemoji_asset=
s/latest/yemoji_assets/1f600.png" style=3D"padding: 0px 2px; vertical-align:=
 middle;" data-inlineimagemanipulating=3D"true" width=3D"16" height=3D"16" d=
ata-unique-identifier=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I have a 1954 TR2 longdoor, TS3=
388L.&nbsp; I rebuilt every system (brakes, electrical, fuel, cooling) 10-15=
 years ago.&nbsp; I did not have to open up the engine, transmission or rear=
 end, as they seemed to be working just fine.&nbsp; It is close to original;=
 although it does have a TR3 engine and disc brakes on the front (I didn't d=
o it).&nbsp; Everything from the transmission back is original.</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse">When I parked it, I, unfortunately, did nothing.&nbsp; So, I know that I=
 will need to redo and rebuild all of the various systems.&nbsp; I am hoping=
 that I do not have to remove the gas tank again, as I parked it with a full=
 tank of gas.&nbsp; At some point, I put Marvel Mystery Oil in the cylinders=
.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" dat=
a-setdir=3D"false">I drove it many miles all over northern California.&nbsp;=
 My last drive was up to Lassen Park.&nbsp; It ran fine; although it develop=
ed a leak in one of the rear wheel seals.&nbsp; I replaced both seals, and t=
hen both leaked (par normal for me).&nbsp; At that point, it was parked.</di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-set=
dir=3D"false">Now, I am back to it.&nbsp; I am starting with the seals.&nbsp=
; Someone suggested that driving it with the original (?) seals caused a sca=
ring on the axle and that I needed to put a sleeve on the axle to ensure a g=
ood seal. Does that make any sense?&nbsp; Is this something that I can do, o=
r do I need to take the axles in to a machine shop?<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">The=
 right rear brake drum came off with minimal effort.&nbsp; I have not been a=
ble to get the left brake drum off.&nbsp; It has the original 9" drums.&nbsp=
; I have lightly tapped all the way around, to no avail.&nbsp; (BTW, I did r=
emove the 2 set screws, and was able to back off the shoes, so it spins rela=
tively freely.)&nbsp; I did knock a chip off the drum.&nbsp; I hope that doe=
sn't affect the balance of that wheel?&nbsp; I have liberally sprayed penetr=
ating oil in every crevice I could find.&nbsp; I have not been back out to t=
he shop since applying the penetrating oil, due to the poor AQI and heavy sm=
oke from the wildfires in northern California.&nbsp; <br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">O=
ne more question:&nbsp; I have 2 sets of near new brake shoes, but they were=
 soaked with oil.&nbsp; Somewhere I heard that burying them in a tub of kitt=
y litter would draw out the oil.&nbsp; Is this correct?&nbsp; An old wives t=
ale?<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr" data-setdir=3D"false">So, any advice from the combined wisdom of this gr=
oup is greatly appreciated.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Thank you,</div><div dir=3D"ltr=
" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Dav=
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I had a small chip in a drum and was told it wasn=E2=80=99t an issue.  I =
guess it depends on the size.  If this was a car you intended to race, =
you=E2=80=99d probably be getting rid of the Lockheed axle anyway.  The =
Lockheed rear ends may be good for authenticity, but there was a reason =
the later cars used Girling.

=20

I put new seals on my (Lockheed) axle and they do not leak.

=20

Second what Bill B. said about removing the drum.

=20

No idea about re-using the shoes =E2=80=93 sorry !

=20

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

=20

From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of David Gunn
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 3:43 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [TR] I'm Back!! TR2 Rear Oil Seal and Brake Drum Removal Issues

=20

Hi - After about a 10 year hiatus due to health issues, I'm back on the =
list.  It is good to see that this list is still going strong, and was =
in awe that the Dot 3 v. Dot 5 controversy still exists.    =
<https://s.yimg.com/nq/yemoji_assets/latest/yemoji_assets/1f600.png>=20

=20

I have a 1954 TR2 longdoor, TS3388L.  I rebuilt every system (brakes, =
electrical, fuel, cooling) 10-15 years ago.  I did not have to open up =
the engine, transmission or rear end, as they seemed to be working just =
fine.  It is close to original; although it does have a TR3 engine and =
disc brakes on the front (I didn't do it).  Everything from the =
transmission back is original.

=20

When I parked it, I, unfortunately, did nothing.  So, I know that I will =
need to redo and rebuild all of the various systems.  I am hoping that I =
do not have to remove the gas tank again, as I parked it with a full =
tank of gas.  At some point, I put Marvel Mystery Oil in the cylinders.

=20

I drove it many miles all over northern California.  My last drive was =
up to Lassen Park.  It ran fine; although it developed a leak in one of =
the rear wheel seals.  I replaced both seals, and then both leaked (par =
normal for me).  At that point, it was parked.

=20

Now, I am back to it.  I am starting with the seals.  Someone suggested =
that driving it with the original (?) seals caused a scaring on the axle =
and that I needed to put a sleeve on the axle to ensure a good seal. =
Does that make any sense?  Is this something that I can do, or do I need =
to take the axles in to a machine shop?

=20

The right rear brake drum came off with minimal effort.  I have not been =
able to get the left brake drum off.  It has the original 9" drums.  I =
have lightly tapped all the way around, to no avail.  (BTW, I did remove =
the 2 set screws, and was able to back off the shoes, so it spins =
relatively freely.)  I did knock a chip off the drum.  I hope that =
doesn't affect the balance of that wheel?  I have liberally sprayed =
penetrating oil in every crevice I could find.  I have not been back out =
to the shop since applying the penetrating oil, due to the poor AQI and =
heavy smoke from the wildfires in northern California. =20

=20

One more question:  I have 2 sets of near new brake shoes, but they were =
soaked with oil.  Somewhere I heard that burying them in a tub of kitty =
litter would draw out the oil.  Is this correct?  An old wives tale?

=20

So, any advice from the combined wisdom of this group is greatly =
appreciated.

=20

Thank you,

=20

David

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style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>I had a =
small chip in a drum and was told it wasn=E2=80=99t an issue.=C2=A0 I =
guess it depends on the size.=C2=A0 If this was a car you intended to =
race, you=E2=80=99d probably be getting rid of the Lockheed axle =
anyway.=C2=A0 The Lockheed rear ends may be good for authenticity, but =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>I put new seals on my (Lockheed) axle and =
they do not leak.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>Second what Bill B. said about removing the =
drum.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>No idea about re-using the shoes =E2=80=93 =
sorry !<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>Andrew Uprichard<br>Jackson, =
Michigan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Triumphs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>David =
Gunn<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 30, 2021 3:43 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] I'm Back!! TR2 Rear Oil =
Seal and Brake Drum Removal Issues<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Hi - After =
about a 10 year hiatus due to health issues, I'm back on the list.&nbsp; =
It is good to see that this list is still going strong, and was in awe =
that the Dot 3 v. Dot 5 controversy still exists.&nbsp; </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><img =
width=3D16 height=3D16 style=3D'width:.1666in;height:.1666in' =
id=3D"_x0000_i1025" =
src=3D"https://s.yimg.com/nq/yemoji_assets/latest/yemoji_assets/1f600.png=
" alt=3DEmoji></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I have a =
1954 TR2 longdoor, TS3388L.&nbsp; I rebuilt every system (brakes, =
electrical, fuel, cooling) 10-15 years ago.&nbsp; I did not have to open =
up the engine, transmission or rear end, as they seemed to be working =
just fine.&nbsp; It is close to original; although it does have a TR3 =
engine and disc brakes on the front (I didn't do it).&nbsp; Everything =
from the transmission back is =
original.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>When I =
parked it, I, unfortunately, did nothing.&nbsp; So, I know that I will =
need to redo and rebuild all of the various systems.&nbsp; I am hoping =
that I do not have to remove the gas tank again, as I parked it with a =
full tank of gas.&nbsp; At some point, I put Marvel Mystery Oil in the =
cylinders.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I drove it =
many miles all over northern California.&nbsp; My last drive was up to =
Lassen Park.&nbsp; It ran fine; although it developed a leak in one of =
the rear wheel seals.&nbsp; I replaced both seals, and then both leaked =
(par normal for me).&nbsp; At that point, it was =
parked.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Now, I am =
back to it.&nbsp; I am starting with the seals.&nbsp; Someone suggested =
that driving it with the original (?) seals caused a scaring on the axle =
and that I needed to put a sleeve on the axle to ensure a good seal. =
Does that make any sense?&nbsp; Is this something that I can do, or do I =
need to take the axles in to a machine =
shop?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>The right =
rear brake drum came off with minimal effort.&nbsp; I have not been able =
to get the left brake drum off.&nbsp; It has the original 9&quot; =
drums.&nbsp; I have lightly tapped all the way around, to no =
avail.&nbsp; (BTW, I did remove the 2 set screws, and was able to back =
off the shoes, so it spins relatively freely.)&nbsp; I did knock a chip =
off the drum.&nbsp; I hope that doesn't affect the balance of that =
wheel?&nbsp; I have liberally sprayed penetrating oil in every crevice I =
could find.&nbsp; I have not been back out to the shop since applying =
the penetrating oil, due to the poor AQI and heavy smoke from the =
wildfires in northern California.&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>One more =
question:&nbsp; I have 2 sets of near new brake shoes, but they were =
soaked with oil.&nbsp; Somewhere I heard that burying them in a tub of =
kitty litter would draw out the oil.&nbsp; Is this correct?&nbsp; An old =
wives tale?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>So, any =
advice from the combined wisdom of this group is greatly =
appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Thank =
you,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>David<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>
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Lockheed 9=94 brake shoes are difficult to find. I know, I was looking for =
a set earlier this summer.

You can have the brake shoes relined. I asked the list for recommended shop=
s about two months ago, and can dig out the replies if you=92d like.

Personally, I would not use oil-soaked shoes. The oil will have soaked into=
 whatever pore space is in the friction material. I don=92t think the kitty=
 litter will do a thing at least in the time frame you would like (maybe if=
 left for years?). Cleaning with solvent will remove only the surface layer=
s of oil.

Cliff

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986> for Window=
s

Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 3:11 PM
to:[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] I'm Back!! TR2 Rear Oil Seal and Brake Drum Removal Issue=
s

I had a small chip in a drum and was told it wasn=92t an issue.  I guess it=
 depends on the size.  If this was a car you intended to race, you=92d prob=
ably be getting rid of the Lockheed axle anyway.  The Lockheed rear ends ma=
y be good for authenticity, but there was a reason the later cars used Girl=
ing.

No idea about re-using the shoes =96 sorry !

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

Hi - After about a 10 year hiatus due to health issues, I'm back on the lis=
t.  It is good to see that this list is still going strong, and was in awe =
that the Dot 3 v. Dot 5 controversy still exists.  [Emoji]

I have a 1954 TR2 longdoor, TS3388L.  I rebuilt every system (brakes, elect=
rical, fuel, cooling) 10-15 years ago.  I did not have to open up the engin=
e, transmission or rear end, as they seemed to be working just fine.  It is=
 close to original; although it does have a TR3 engine and disc brakes on t=
he front (I didn't do it).  Everything from the transmission back is origin=
al.

When I parked it, I, unfortunately, did nothing.  So, I know that I will ne=
ed to redo and rebuild all of the various systems.  I am hoping that I do n=
ot have to remove the gas tank again, as I parked it with a full tank of ga=
s.  At some point, I put Marvel Mystery Oil in the cylinders.

I drove it many miles all over northern California.  My last drive was up t=
o Lassen Park.  It ran fine; although it developed a leak in one of the rea=
r wheel seals.  I replaced both seals, and then both leaked (par normal for=
 me).  At that point, it was parked.

Now, I am back to it.  I am starting with the seals.  Someone suggested tha=
t driving it with the original (?) seals caused a scaring on the axle and t=
hat I needed to put a sleeve on the axle to ensure a good seal. Does that m=
ake any sense?  Is this something that I can do, or do I need to take the a=
xles in to a machine shop?

The right rear brake drum came off with minimal effort.  I have not been ab=
le to get the left brake drum off.  It has the original 9" drums.  I have l=
ightly tapped all the way around, to no avail.  (BTW, I did remove the 2 se=
t screws, and was able to back off the shoes, so it spins relatively freely=
.)  I did knock a chip off the drum.  I hope that doesn't affect the balanc=
e of that wheel?  I have liberally sprayed penetrating oil in every crevice=
 I could find.  I have not been back out to the shop since applying the pen=
etrating oil, due to the poor AQI and heavy smoke from the wildfires in nor=
thern California.

One more question:  I have 2 sets of near new brake shoes, but they were so=
aked with oil.  Somewhere I heard that burying them in a tub of kitty litte=
r would draw out the oil.  Is this correct?  An old wives tale?

Thank you,

David

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Lockheed 9=94 brake shoes are difficult to find. I k=
now, I was looking for a set earlier this summer.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You can have the brake shoes relined. I asked the li=
st for recommended shops about two months ago, and can dig out the replies =
if you=92d like.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Personally, I would not use oil-soaked shoes. The oi=
l will have soaked into whatever pore space is in the friction material. I =
don=92t think the kitty litter will do a thing at least in the time frame y=
ou would like (maybe if left for years?).
 Cleaning with solvent will remove only the surface layers of oil.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cliff</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Monday, August 30, 2021 3:11 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">'David Gunn'</a>; <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">
[email-masked]</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [TR] I'm Back!! TR2 Rear Oil Seal and Brake Drum Remova=
l Issues</p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D">I had a small chip in a drum and was told it wasn=
=92t an issue.&nbsp; I guess it depends on the size.&nbsp; If this was a ca=
r you intended to race, you=92d probably be getting rid of the
 Lockheed axle anyway.&nbsp; The Lockheed rear ends may be good for authent=
icity, but there was a reason the later cars used Girling.<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D">I put new seals on my (Lockheed) axle and they do n=
ot leak.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D">Second what Bill B. said about removing the drum.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D">No idea about re-using the shoes =96 sorry !<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D">Andrew Uprichard<br>
Jackson, Michigan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;[email-masked]=
m.net&gt; <b>On Behalf Of
</b>David Gunn<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 30, 2021 3:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [TR] I'm Back!! TR2 Rear Oil Seal and Brake Drum Removal Is=
sues<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">Hi - After about a 10 year hiatus due to health i=
ssues, I'm back on the list.&nbsp; It is good to see that this list is stil=
l going strong, and was in awe that the Dot 3 v. Dot
 5 controversy still exists.&nbsp; </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><img border=3D"0" width=3D"16"=
 height=3D"16" style=3D"width:.1666in;height:.1666in" id=3D"_x0000_i1025" s=
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lt=3D"Emoji"></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helve=
tica&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">I have a 1954 TR2 longdoor, TS3388L.&nbsp; I rebu=
ilt every system (brakes, electrical, fuel, cooling) 10-15 years ago.&nbsp;=
 I did not have to open up the engine, transmission or rear
 end, as they seemed to be working just fine.&nbsp; It is close to original=
; although it does have a TR3 engine and disc brakes on the front (I didn't=
 do it).&nbsp; Everything from the transmission back is original.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">When I parked it, I, unfortunately, did nothing.&=
nbsp; So, I know that I will need to redo and rebuild all of the various sy=
stems.&nbsp; I am hoping that I do not have to remove the
 gas tank again, as I parked it with a full tank of gas.&nbsp; At some poin=
t, I put Marvel Mystery Oil in the cylinders.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">I drove it many miles all over northern Californi=
a.&nbsp; My last drive was up to Lassen Park.&nbsp; It ran fine; although i=
t developed a leak in one of the rear wheel seals.&nbsp; I replaced
 both seals, and then both leaked (par normal for me).&nbsp; At that point,=
 it was parked.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">Now, I am back to it.&nbsp; I am starting with th=
e seals.&nbsp; Someone suggested that driving it with the original (?) seal=
s caused a scaring on the axle and that I needed to put
 a sleeve on the axle to ensure a good seal. Does that make any sense?&nbsp=
; Is this something that I can do, or do I need to take the axles in to a m=
achine shop?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">The right rear brake drum came off with minimal e=
ffort.&nbsp; I have not been able to get the left brake drum off.&nbsp; It =
has the original 9&quot; drums.&nbsp; I have lightly tapped all the
 way around, to no avail.&nbsp; (BTW, I did remove the 2 set screws, and wa=
s able to back off the shoes, so it spins relatively freely.)&nbsp; I did k=
nock a chip off the drum.&nbsp; I hope that doesn't affect the balance of t=
hat wheel?&nbsp; I have liberally sprayed penetrating
 oil in every crevice I could find.&nbsp; I have not been back out to the s=
hop since applying the penetrating oil, due to the poor AQI and heavy smoke=
 from the wildfires in northern California.&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">One more question:&nbsp; I have 2 sets of near ne=
w brake shoes, but they were soaked with oil.&nbsp; Somewhere I heard that =
burying them in a tub of kitty litter would draw out the
 oil.&nbsp; Is this correct?&nbsp; An old wives tale?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">So, any advice from the combined wisdom of this g=
roup is greatly appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">David<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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