Subject: [TR] Front end "play'

From: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 14:36:59 -0400

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Hey all ~

I've rebuilt the front suspension and steering on my TR3A
including the steering box and all steering components. I have
checked fit and function as best as I can but, with the front
end on jackstands and grabbing the wheel at the 3 and 9
o'clock positions , I note that there is about 1/4 to 3/8" "play."
Is this normal? Should there be zero play in the front wheels?

Thanks for any insights....

Dave Friedlander
'59 TR3A
'74 TR6

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">Hey all ~<br></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:large;color:#000099"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">I&#39;ve re=
built the front suspension and steering on my TR3A=C2=A0</div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:lar=
ge;color:#000099">including the steering box and all steering components. I=
 have=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">checked fit and function as=
 best as I can but, with the front=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099=
">end on jackstands and grabbing the wheel at the 3 and 9=C2=A0</div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:large;color:#000099">o&#39;clock positions

, I note that there is about 1/4 to 3/8&quot; &quot;play.&quot;=C2=A0</div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;=
font-size:large;color:#000099">Is this normal? Should there be zero play in=
 the front wheels?</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:c=
omic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:=
large;color:#000099">Thanks for any insights....</div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color=
:#000099"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic=
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nt-size:large;color:#000099">&#39;59 TR3A</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
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From: bill beecher <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 17:01:49 -0500

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Always possible, back off the peg a small amount and give the steering wheel=
 a push-pull.=20

Conversely, snug the peg down (not tight but tighter than you would normally=
 allow) and see if your linkage slack is gone. =20

A bit shade tree, but should work as a quick test. =20

Bill

Sent from my TRS80

On May 26, 2021, at 4:39 PM, David Friedlander <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
The idler lever (Moss illustration item 65) is tight. No movement.=20
I've installed the Delrin silentbloc bushings in the steering linkage=20
center rod.... No one component seems to have play on its own: It=20
just seems like the assembly moves together. Any possibility the
steering box end float is off?

Dave

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 5:18 PM Philip Gott <[email-masked]> wrote:
> Dave;
> =46rom memory with my TR3B, that seems pretty good. It=E2=80=99s a very su=
bjective measurement because you are working against the rubber in the oppos=
ite tire (presumably on the ground).  The fact that  there is zero play at 6=
 & 12 indicates that the bearings are indeed installed correctly, provided t=
he wheel spins freely. The 3 steering will have more play than the rack and p=
inion set up. =20
> If you are still concerned, have a look at the idler arm on the passenger s=
ide. That can be a source of free play, a bit more so with the passenger sid=
e wheel.
> Regards,
> Phil Gott
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
>> On May 26, 2021, at 4:52 PM, David Friedlander via NET <net@newenglandtri=
umphs.org> wrote:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> Thanks, Bill. There is no movement when testing at the 6 and 12 o'clock p=
ositions (bearings are new and appropriately tightened). =20
>>=20
>> I suppose it could be the linkage but, since all parts are new, I wouldn'=
t know where to start.  Not sure how to 'tighten up' the front end linkage. M=
aybe I've been 'spoiled' by the rack-and-pinion setup I installed in my TR6,=
 some years back. Even the peg on the steering box drop arm is new...
>>=20
>> Dave
>>=20
>> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 3:43 PM bill beecher <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
>>> Is it in the linkage or the wheel bearings?  If you can get that movemen=
t when you grab the wheel at 12 & 6, then re-check the bearing tightness. =20=

>>>=20
>>> If the linkage, and not the steering box, check the bushings in the idle=
r arm.  BTDT. =20
>>>=20
>>> Bill
>>> TS30800L
>>>=20
>>> Sent from my TRS80
>>>=20
>>> On May 26, 2021, at 1:37 PM, David Friedlander <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>> Hey all ~
>>>=20
>>> I've rebuilt the front suspension and steering on my TR3A=20
>>> including the steering box and all steering components. I have=20
>>> checked fit and function as best as I can but, with the front=20
>>> end on jackstands and grabbing the wheel at the 3 and 9=20
>>> o'clock positions , I note that there is about 1/4 to 3/8" "play."=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Always possible, back off the peg a small a=
mount and give the steering wheel a push-pull.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Conv=
ersely, snug the peg down (not tight but tighter than you would normally all=
ow) and see if your linkage slack is gone. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>A=
 bit shade tree, but should work as a quick test. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div=
><div>Bill</div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my TR=
S80</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On May 26, 2021, at 4:39 PM, David Friedlander=
 &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans m=
s,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">The idler lever (Moss illustrati=
on item 65) is tight. No movement.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">=
I've installed the Delrin silentbloc bushings in the steering linkage&nbsp;<=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-se=
rif;font-size:large;color:#000099">center rod.... No one component seems to h=
ave play on its own: It&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">just seems l=
ike the assembly moves together. Any possibility the</div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;col=
or:#000099">steering box end float is off?</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
 style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099=
"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,=
sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">Dave</div></div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 5=
:18 PM Philip Gott &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><di=
v dir=3D"auto">Dave;<div>=46rom memory with my TR3B, that seems pretty good.=
 It=E2=80=99s a very subjective measurement because you are working against t=
he rubber in the opposite tire (presumably on the ground).&nbsp; The fact th=
at &nbsp;there is zero play at 6 &amp; 12 indicates that the bearings are in=
deed installed correctly, provided the wheel spins freely. The 3 steering wi=
ll have more play than the rack and pinion set up. &nbsp;</div><div>If you a=
re still concerned, have a look at the idler arm on the passenger side. That=
 can be a source of free play, a bit more so with the passenger side wheel.<=
/div><div>Regards,</div><div>Phil Gott<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my i=
Phone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 26, 2021, a=
t 4:52 PM, David Friedlander via NET &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:net@newenglandtri=
umphs.org" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><b=
r></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:&quot;comic s=
ans ms&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,153)">Thanks, Bill.=20=

There is no movement when testing at the 6 and 12 o'clock positions (bearing=
s are new and appropriately tightened).&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmail=
_default" style=3D"font-family:&quot;comic sans ms&quot;,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:large;color:rgb(0,0,153)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"=
font-family:&quot;comic sans ms&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0=
,0,153)">I suppose it could be the linkage but, since all parts are new, I w=
ouldn't know where to start.&nbsp; Not sure how to 'tighten up' the front&nb=
sp;end linkage. Maybe I've been 'spoiled' by the rack-and-pinion setup I ins=
talled in my TR6, some years back. Even the peg on the steering box drop arm=
 is new...</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:&quot;comi=
c sans ms&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,153)"><br></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:&quot;comic sans ms&quot;,san=
s-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,153)">Dave</div></div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 3=
:43 PM bill beecher &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204=
,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Is it in the linkage or the wheel b=
earings?&nbsp; If you can get that movement when you grab the wheel at 12 &a=
mp; 6, then re-check the bearing tightness. &nbsp;<div><br></div><div>If the=
 linkage, and not the steering box, check the bushings in the idler arm.&nbs=
p; BTDT. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div>TS30800L<br><br><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my TRS80</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On May 26, 2021, a=
t 1:37 PM, David Friedlander &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family=
:&quot;comic sans ms&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,153)">He=
y all ~<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:&quot;com=
ic sans ms&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,153)"><br></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:&quot;comic sans ms&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,153)">I've rebuilt the front suspensi=
on and steering on my TR3A&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"=
font-family:&quot;comic sans ms&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0=
,0,153)">including the steering box and all steering components. I have&nbsp=
;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:&quot;comic sans ms=
&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,153)">checked fit and functi=
on as best as I can but, with the front&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-family:&quot;comic sans ms&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:larg=
e;color:rgb(0,0,153)">end on jackstands and grabbing the wheel at the 3 and 9=
&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:&quot;comic sa=
ns ms&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,153)">o'clock positions=

, I note that there is about 1/4 to 3/8" "play."&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_default" style=3D"font-family:&quot;comic sans ms&quot;,sans-serif;font-=
size:large;color:rgb(0,0,153)">Is this normal? Should there be zero play in t=
he front wheels?</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:&quo=
t;comic sans ms&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,153)"><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:&quot;comic sans ms&quo=
t;,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,153)">Thanks for any insights...=
.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:&quot;comic sans ms=
&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,153)"><br></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:&quot;comic sans ms&quot;,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,153)">Dave Friedlander</div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-family:&quot;comic sans ms&quot;,sans-serif;font-size=
:large;color:rgb(0,0,153)">'59 TR3A</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"font-family:&quot;comic sans ms&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(=
0,0,153)">'74 TR6</div></div>
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