Subject: Re: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps

From: Cliff Hansen <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 16:41:58 +0000

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Brian,

I replaced the tap with a standard =BD-20 oil drain plug with nylon gasket.=
 Its important that the plug have straight, not pipe, thread. No leaks. Eas=
y to remove when I need to drain the block.

Cliff

Oil Drain Plug Standard 1/2-20, Head Size 7/8 In. NOE 7041918 | Buy Online =
- NAPA Auto Parts (napaonline.com)<https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/NDP70419=
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Subject: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps

Hi,

I=92m having great difficulty getting either of the drain taps in the TR2 t=
o stop leaking.  I=92ve tried various used taps from my 45+ year =93collect=
ion=94 without any success.  The taps leak mostly out the drain hole but so=
me also where screwed into the block/rad.

I recently ordered a pair of new replacements from Rimmer with high hopes b=
ut after install, both leak from the side opposite the lever =96 see pic.  =
This is with antifreeze in, rad cap off and no pressurization.  I=92ve aske=
d Rimmer for comment, but they are closed until Tuesday (bank holiday Monda=
y).

The pic is shows the engine install with the spring portion =93up=94 =96 th=
at=92s what it tightened to.

Has anyone had success with current offerings from the various vendors?  I =
see Moss also offers them =96 others?  TRF doesn=92t currently have them.

I=92m about to give up and try the Don Elliot solution sealing the taps whe=
re they thread into the block/rad.

Appreciate any suggestions.

Stay well and cheers,

Brian
_____________________________________________________
Brian Thomas                            E-Mail:  [email-masked]<ma=
ilto:[email-masked]>
92 Wyona Lane                          Phone:  613-385-1947
Wolfe Island,  Ontario                Toys:  54 TR2,  56 TR3,  67 TR4A,
Canada  K0H 2Y0                                   01 XKR,  75 John Deere 92=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Brian,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I replaced the tap with a standard =BD-20 oil drain =
plug with nylon gasket. Its important that the plug have straight, not pipe=
, thread. No leaks. Easy to remove when I need to drain the block.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cliff</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/NDP704191=
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ne - NAPA Auto Parts (napaonline.com)</a></p>
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<b>Sent: </b>Sunday, May 2, 2021 10:15 AM<br>
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<b>Subject: </b>[TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">I=92m having great difficulty getting eit=
her of the drain taps in the TR2 to stop leaking.&nbsp; I=92ve tried variou=
s used taps from my 45+ year =93collection=94 without any success.&nbsp;
 The taps leak mostly out the drain hole but some also where screwed into t=
he block/rad.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">I recently ordered a pair of new replacem=
ents from Rimmer with high hopes but after install, both leak from the side=
 opposite the lever =96 see pic.&nbsp; This is with antifreeze
 in, rad cap off and no pressurization.&nbsp; I=92ve asked Rimmer for comme=
nt, but they are closed until Tuesday (bank holiday Monday).<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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=3D"cid:[email-masked]"></span><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=
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an></p>
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family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">The pic is shows the engine install with =
the spring portion =93up=94 =96 that=92s what it tightened to.<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Has anyone had success with current offer=
ings from the various vendors?&nbsp; I see Moss also offers them =96 others=
?&nbsp; TRF doesn=92t currently have them.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">I=92m about to give up and try the Don El=
liot solution sealing the taps where they thread into the block/rad.<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Appreciate any suggestions.<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
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family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Stay well and cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
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92 Wyona Lane&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
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</span><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
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uot;;color:#0070C0;mso-fareast-language:EN-CA">&nbsp; 613-385-1947<o:p></o:=
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Wolfe Island,&nbsp; Ontario&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
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lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&qu=
ot;;color:#0070C0;mso-fareast-language:EN-CA">&nbsp; 54 TR2,&nbsp; 56
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nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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From: bill beecher <[email-masked]>
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I disassembled the valve and using valve grinding compound then toothpaste I=
 =E2=80=98seated=E2=80=99 the valve unit much as you would prepare your inta=
ke/exhaust valves.=20
Bill B

#dontkillgrandma

On May 2, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Brian Thomas <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Hi,
=20
I=E2=80=99m having great difficulty getting either of the drain taps in the T=
R2 to stop leaking.  I=E2=80=99ve tried various used taps from my 45+ year =E2=
=80=9Ccollection=E2=80=9D without any success.  The taps leak mostly out the=
 drain hole but some also where screwed into the block/rad.
=20
I recently ordered a pair of new replacements from Rimmer with high hopes bu=
t after install, both leak from the side opposite the lever =E2=80=93 see pi=
c.  This is with antifreeze in, rad cap off and no pressurization.  I=E2=80=99=
ve asked Rimmer for comment, but they are closed until Tuesday (bank holiday=
 Monday).
=20
The pic is shows the engine install with the spring portion =E2=80=9Cup=E2=80=
=9D =E2=80=93 that=E2=80=99s what it tightened to.
=20
Has anyone had success with current offerings from the various vendors?  I s=
ee Moss also offers them =E2=80=93 others?  TRF doesn=E2=80=99t currently ha=
ve them.
=20
I=E2=80=99m about to give up and try the Don Elliot solution sealing the tap=
s where they thread into the block/rad.
=20
Appreciate any suggestions.
=20
Stay well and cheers,
=20
Brian
_____________________________________________________
Brian Thomas                            E-Mail:  [email-masked]
92 Wyona Lane                          Phone:  613-385-1947
Wolfe Island,  Ontario                Toys:  54 TR2,  56 TR3,  67 TR4A,=20
Canada  K0H 2Y0                                   01 XKR,  75 John Deere 920=

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
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inding compound then toothpaste I =E2=80=98seated=E2=80=99 the valve unit mu=
ch as you would prepare your intake/exhaust valves.&nbsp;<div>Bill B<br><br>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">#dontkillgrandma</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On May 2, 2021, a=
t 11:14 AM, Brian Thomas &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;">I=E2=80=99m having great difficulty getting either of the d=
rain taps in the TR2 to stop leaking.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve tried various used t=
aps from my 45+ year =E2=80=9Ccollection=E2=80=9D without any success.&nbsp;=
 The taps
 leak mostly out the drain hole but some also where screwed into the block/r=
ad.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;">I recently ordered a pair of new replacements from Rimmer w=
ith high hopes but after install, both leak from the side opposite the lever=
 =E2=80=93 see pic.&nbsp; This is with antifreeze in, rad
 cap off and no pressurization.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve asked Rimmer for comment,=
 but they are closed until Tuesday (bank holiday Monday).<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
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ic Sans MS&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;">The pic is shows the engine install with the spring portio=
n =E2=80=9Cup=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 that=E2=80=99s what it tightened to.<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;">Has anyone had success with current offerings from the var=
ious vendors?&nbsp; I see Moss also offers them =E2=80=93 others?&nbsp; TRF d=
oesn=E2=80=99t currently have them.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;">I=E2=80=99m about to give up and try the Don Elliot soluti=
on sealing the taps where they thread into the block/rad.<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;">Appreciate any suggestions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
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</span><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;=
;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-CA">Phone:</span><span style=3D"font-si=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 01 XKR,&nbsp;
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Hi Brian,

Moss's response to the leaking issue was "they all do that". It's been many
years since I had this same issue. I solved it by taking the valve apart and
polishing the parts. I don't remember how I polished them, maybe it was
compound or 1500 grit wet/dry sandpaper.  Some PTFE on the threads that go
into the block or radiator also helps. Anyway, no drips since.  I had to do
this on 2 radiators. 

The other alternative is to use a "modern" petcock.

Hope this helps,

Bob

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Brian
Thomas
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 9:11 AM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: Brad Smith ([email-masked])
Subject: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps

Hi,

I'm having great difficulty getting either of the drain taps in the TR2 to
stop leaking.  I've tried various used taps from my 45+ year "collection"
without any success.  The taps leak mostly out the drain hole but some also
where screwed into the block/rad.

I recently ordered a pair of new replacements from Rimmer with high hopes
but after install, both leak from the side opposite the lever - see pic.
This is with antifreeze in, rad cap off and no pressurization.  I've asked
Rimmer for comment, but they are closed until Tuesday (bank holiday Monday).

The pic is shows the engine install with the spring portion "up" - that's
what it tightened to.

Has anyone had success with current offerings from the various vendors?  I
see Moss also offers them - others?  TRF doesn't currently have them. 

I'm about to give up and try the Don Elliot solution sealing the taps where
they thread into the block/rad.

Stay well and cheers,

Brian

Brian Thomas                            E-Mail:

Canada  K0H 2Y0                                   01 XKR,  75 John Deere 920

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class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hi =
Brian,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Moss&#8217;s response to the leaking issue was =
&#8220;they all do that&#8221;. It&#8217;s been many years since I had =
this same issue. I solved it by taking the valve apart and polishing the =
parts. I don&#8217;t remember how I polished them, maybe it was compound =
or 1500 grit wet/dry sandpaper. &nbsp;Some PTFE on the threads that go =
into the block or radiator also helps. Anyway, no drips since. &nbsp;I =
had to do this on 2 radiators. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The other alternative is =
to use a &#8220;modern&#8221; petcock.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hope this =
helps,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Brian Thomas<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 02, 2021 9:11 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> Brad Smith =
([email-masked])<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad =
Taps<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>I&#8217;m having =
great difficulty getting either of the drain taps in the TR2 to stop =
leaking.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve tried various used taps from my 45+ year =
&#8220;collection&#8221; without any success.&nbsp; The taps leak mostly =
out the drain hole but some also where screwed into the =
block/rad.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>I recently =
ordered a pair of new replacements from Rimmer with high hopes but after =
install, both leak from the side opposite the lever &#8211; see =
pic.&nbsp; This is with antifreeze in, rad cap off and no =
pressurization.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve asked Rimmer for comment, but they are =
closed until Tuesday (bank holiday Monday).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><img width=3D998 =
height=3D754 id=3D"Picture_x0020_26" =
src=3D"cid:[email-masked]"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>The pic is shows =
the engine install with the spring portion &#8220;up&#8221; &#8211; =
that&#8217;s what it tightened to.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Has anyone had =
success with current offerings from the various vendors?&nbsp; I see =
Moss also offers them &#8211; others?&nbsp; TRF doesn&#8217;t currently =
have them. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>I&#8217;m about =
to give up and try the Don Elliot solution sealing the taps where they =
thread into the block/rad.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Appreciate any =
suggestions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Stay well and =
cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>Brian<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#C00000'>_____________________________________________________<=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#0070C0'>Brian =
Thomas&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>E-Mail: </span><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#0070C0'>&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'text-decoration:none'>[email-masked]</span></a><o:p></o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'>92 =
Wyona =
Lane&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; </span><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>Phone:</span><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#0070C0'>&nbsp; 613-385-1947<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#0070C0'>Wolfe Island,&nbsp; =
Ontario&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>Toys:</span><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#0070C0'>&nbsp; 54 TR2,&nbsp; 56 TR3,&nbsp; 67 TR4A,&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#0070C0'>Canada&nbsp; K0H =
2Y0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 01 =
XKR,&nbsp; </span><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#00B050'>75 =
John Deere 920</span><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 20:53:34 +0000 (UTC)

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 I had the same issue with a replacement I installed in the TR3.=C2=A0 I wo=
und up soldering it closed.=C2=A0 It has become a plug that looks like a dr=
ain valve.
I think (Haven't tried it yet) that if you take some valve lapping compound=
 you can grind them into a tight fit.=C2=A0 Something the Pacific Rim Manuf=
acturer didn't do.=C2=A0 (They were low bid, after all)
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Dave=20

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-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Thomas <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Cc: Brad Smith ([email-masked]) <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sun, May 2, 2021 11:11 am
Subject: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps

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collection=E2=80=9D without any success.=C2=A0 The taps leak mostly out the=
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tly ordered a pair of new replacements from Rimmer with high hopes but afte=
r install, both leak from the side opposite the lever =E2=80=93 see pic.=C2=
=A0 This is with antifreeze in, rad cap off and no pressurization.=C2=A0 I=
=E2=80=99ve asked Rimmer for comment, but they are closed until Tuesday (ba=
nk holiday Monday).  =C2=A0   The pic is shows the engine install with the =
spring portion =E2=80=9Cup=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 that=E2=80=99s what it tighte=
ned to.  =C2=A0 Has anyone had success with current offerings from the vari=
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<div> <font size=3D"3">I had the same issue with a replacement I installed =
in the TR3.&nbsp; I wound up soldering it closed.&nbsp; It has become a plu=
g that looks like a drain valve.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">I think (Haven't tried it yet) that if you take some =
valve lapping compound you can grind them into a tight fit.&nbsp; Something=
 the Pacific Rim Manufacturer didn't do.&nbsp; (They were low bid, after al=
l)</font><br>
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<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
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From: Brian Thomas &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: Brad Smith ([email-masked]) &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Sun, May 2, 2021 11:11 am<br>
Subject: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps<br>
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<div class=3D"yiv8102871429MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
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<div class=3D"yiv8102871429MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;">I=E2=80=99m having great difficulty getting either of the dra=
in taps in the TR2 to stop leaking.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve tried various used t=
aps from my 45+ year =E2=80=9Ccollection=E2=80=9D without any success.&nbsp=
; The taps
 leak mostly out the drain hole but some also where screwed into the block/=
rad.</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv8102871429MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv8102871429MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;">I recently ordered a pair of new replacements from Rimmer wit=
h high hopes but after install, both leak from the side opposite the lever =
=E2=80=93 see pic.&nbsp; This is with antifreeze in, rad
 cap off and no pressurization.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve asked Rimmer for comment=
, but they are closed until Tuesday (bank holiday Monday).</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv8102871429MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv8102871429MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;">The pic is shows the engine install with the spring portion =
=E2=80=9Cup=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 that=E2=80=99s what it tightened to.</span><=
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<div class=3D"yiv8102871429MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv8102871429MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;">Has anyone had success with current offerings from the variou=
s vendors?&nbsp; I see Moss also offers them =E2=80=93 others?&nbsp; TRF do=
esn=E2=80=99t currently have them.
</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv8102871429MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv8102871429MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;">I=E2=80=99m about to give up and try the Don Elliot solution =
sealing the taps where they thread into the block/rad.</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv8102871429MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv8102871429MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;">Appreciate any suggestions.</span></div>
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family:Sans;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv8102871429MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;">Stay well and cheers,</span></div>
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family:Sans;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv8102871429MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;">Brian</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv8102871429MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;color:#0070C0;">Brian Thomas&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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l:
</span><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Sans;color:#0070C0;">&nb=
sp;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto=3D"mailto:Brian.Thomas@Q=
ueensU.Ca" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D"color:#0563C1;text-decoration:none;">[email-masked]</span=
></a></span></div>
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family:Sans;color:#0070C0;">92 Wyona Lane&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Sans;color:black;">Phone=
:</span><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Sans;color:#0070C0;">&n=
bsp; 613-385-1947</span></div>
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Sans;color:black;">Toys:=
</span><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Sans;color:#0070C0;">&nb=
sp; 54 TR2,&nbsp; 56 TR3,&nbsp; 67 TR4A,&nbsp;
</span></div>
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sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 01 XKR,&nbsp;
</span><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Sans;color:#00B050;">75 =
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From: Steve Kirby <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 21:15:33 +0000

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I can provide the definitive answer to this question because my company mak=
es these aftermarket valves for Moss Motors (who probably resells them to e=
veryone else in the world).

The response "they all leak" is absolutely correct.  In fact, the problem i=
s so pervasive and resistant to all attempts to solve the problem in manufa=
cturing, that Moss no longer sells a functional valve.  What they sell has =
no internal drillings, it is just a plug.  It is made to look like the orig=
inal for authenticity purposes, but does not function (and hence does not l=
eak).

If you disassemble one of these, original or repro, you will see that there=
 are no seals.  The "sealing" is accomplished by a tapered metal stem fitte=
d into a similarly tapered metal body.  The two parts are "clamped" togethe=
r by virtue of the external spring and depend totally on a very tight and c=
oncentric fit between the two metal parts.  This valve was designed well be=
fore cars had pressurized cooling systems.  And yes, they always leaked.  B=
ut back in the day, before people started using distilled water and high qu=
ality antifreeze with effective anti-corrosion additives, the valves quickl=
y plugged up with corrosion and, voila, stopped leaking.  When they were op=
ened and reclosed, they leaked again, until the corrosion re-plugged them.

If you are dead set on trying to make one leakproof, get some valve lapping=
 compound, disassemble the valve, and "lap" the two parts together for an h=
our or so, until the two surfaces are as smooth and concentric as possible.=
  I have seen this work on occasion.  Basically you are perfecting the seat=
ing of the stem in the body.

If you just want to stop the valve from leaking and don't care about the fu=
nction, you can remove the valve and plug or solder the inlet port.

Jaguar used this same valve as a block mounted oil drain tap, with a bit mo=
re success due to the higher viscosity of oil vs. water.  Several British m=
otorcycle companies and Indian used this valve as a fuel shut off (and you =
can imagine how that worked!).

Hope that solves the mystery.

Steve Kirby
President
China Auto Group
22831 Avenida Empresa
Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA
Direct:  (949) 261-8208
Fax:  (949) 767-5949
Cell:  (949) 903-0957
Skype: steve.kirby29
www.chinaautogroup.com

From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Kinderlehrer
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 10:40 AM
To: 'Brian Thomas' <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps

Hi Brian,
Moss's response to the leaking issue was "they all do that". It's been many=
 years since I had this same issue. I solved it by taking the valve apart a=
nd polishing the parts. I don't remember how I polished them, maybe it was =
compound or 1500 grit wet/dry sandpaper.  Some PTFE on the threads that go =
into the block or radiator also helps. Anyway, no drips since.  I had to do=
 this on 2 radiators.

Hope this helps,

Bob

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Brian =
Thomas
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 9:11 AM
Subject: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps

Hi,

I'm having great difficulty getting either of the drain taps in the TR2 to =
stop leaking.  I've tried various used taps from my 45+ year "collection" w=
ithout any success.  The taps leak mostly out the drain hole but some also =
where screwed into the block/rad.

I recently ordered a pair of new replacements from Rimmer with high hopes b=
ut after install, both leak from the side opposite the lever - see pic.  Th=
is is with antifreeze in, rad cap off and no pressurization.  I've asked Ri=
mmer for comment, but they are closed until Tuesday (bank holiday Monday).

The pic is shows the engine install with the spring portion "up" - that's w=
hat it tightened to.

I'm about to give up and try the Don Elliot solution sealing the taps where=
 they thread into the block/rad.

Stay well and cheers,

Brian

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I can provide the definitive answer to this question=
 because my company makes these aftermarket valves for Moss Motors (who pro=
bably resells them to everyone else in the world).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The response &#8220;they all leak&#8221; is absolute=
ly correct.&nbsp; In fact, the problem is so pervasive and resistant to all=
 attempts to solve the problem in manufacturing, that Moss no longer sells =
a functional valve.&nbsp; What they sell has no internal
 drillings, it is just a plug.&nbsp; It is made to look like the original f=
or authenticity purposes, but does not function (and hence does not leak).<=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If you disassemble one of these, original or repro, =
you will see that there are no seals.&nbsp; The &#8220;sealing&#8221; is ac=
complished by a tapered metal stem fitted into a similarly tapered metal bo=
dy.&nbsp; The two parts are &#8220;clamped&#8221; together by virtue
 of the external spring and depend totally on a very tight and concentric f=
it between the two metal parts.&nbsp; This valve was designed well before c=
ars had pressurized cooling systems.&nbsp; And yes, they always leaked.&nbs=
p; But back in the day, before people started using
 distilled water and high quality antifreeze with effective anti-corrosion =
additives, the valves quickly plugged up with corrosion and, voila, stopped=
 leaking.&nbsp; When they were opened and reclosed, they leaked again, unti=
l the corrosion re-plugged them.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If you are dead set on trying to make one leakproof,=
 get some valve lapping compound, disassemble the valve, and &#8220;lap&#82=
21; the two parts together for an hour or so, until the two surfaces are as=
 smooth and concentric as possible.&nbsp; I have seen
 this work on occasion.&nbsp; Basically you are perfecting the seating of t=
he stem in the body.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If you just want to stop the valve from leaking and =
don&#8217;t care about the function, you can remove the valve and plug or s=
older the inlet port.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jaguar used this same valve as a block mounted oil d=
rain tap, with a bit more success due to the higher viscosity of oil vs. wa=
ter.&nbsp; Several British motorcycle companies and Indian used this valve =
as a fuel shut off (and you can imagine
 how that worked!).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hope that solves the mystery.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"color:#0070C0">Steve Kirby<o:p>=
</o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>President<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>China Auto Group<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">22831 Avenida Empresa<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Direct:&nbsp; (949) 261-8208<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Fax:&nbsp; (949) 767-5949<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cell:&nbsp; (949) 903-0957<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Skype: steve.kirby29<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">www.chinaautogroup.com<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;[email-masked]=
m.net&gt; <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Kinderlehrer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 2, 2021 10:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Brian Thomas' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked]=
et<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Brian,<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Moss&#8217;s response =
to the leaking issue was &#8220;they all do that&#8221;. It&#8217;s been ma=
ny years since I had this same issue. I solved it by taking the valve apart=
 and polishing the parts. I don&#8217;t remember how I polished them,
 maybe it was compound or 1500 grit wet/dry sandpaper. &nbsp;Some PTFE on t=
he threads that go into the block or radiator also helps. Anyway, no drips =
since. &nbsp;I had to do this on 2 radiators.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The other alternative =
is to use a &#8220;modern&#8221; petcock.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hope this helps,<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Bob<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif"> Triumphs [<a href=3D"mailto:triu=
[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Brian Thomas<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 02, 2021 9:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
et</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Brad Smith (<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">britspcars@g=
mail.com</a>)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">I&#8217;m having great difficulty getting=
 either of the drain taps in the TR2 to stop leaking.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve trie=
d various used taps from my 45&#43; year &#8220;collection&#8221; without a=
ny success.&nbsp;
 The taps leak mostly out the drain hole but some also where screwed into t=
he block/rad.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">I recently ordered a pair of new replacem=
ents from Rimmer with high hopes but after install, both leak from the side=
 opposite the lever &#8211; see pic.&nbsp; This is with antifreeze
 in, rad cap off and no pressurization.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve asked Rimmer for c=
omment, but they are closed until Tuesday (bank holiday Monday).<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><img border=3D"0" width=3D"998" height=3D=
"754" style=3D"width:10.3958in;height:7.8541in" id=3D"Picture_x0020_26" src=
=3D"cid:[email-masked]"></span><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=
=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">The pic is shows the engine install with =
the spring portion &#8220;up&#8221; &#8211; that&#8217;s what it tightened =
to.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Has anyone had success with current offer=
ings from the various vendors?&nbsp; I see Moss also offers them &#8211; ot=
hers?&nbsp; TRF doesn&#8217;t currently have them.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">I&#8217;m about to give up and try the Do=
n Elliot solution sealing the taps where they thread into the block/rad.<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Appreciate any suggestions.<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Stay well and cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
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family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Brian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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U.Ca"><span style=3D"text-decoration:none">[email-masked]</span></=
a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Would it work to make a circular recess in the valve and put a quality or
ring slightly proud to get a good seal.  Would look the same from the
outside

I suppose if it crusted up over time the o-ring would no longer seal very
well.  I have lapped these valves and gotten them to seal pretty well.

The standards have changed quite a bit since these cars were built with the
radiator and fuel overflow "reservoirs" being the road or your garage.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Sun, May 2, 2021, 4:16 PM Steve Kirby <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> I can provide the definitive answer to this question because my company
> makes these aftermarket valves for Moss Motors (who probably resells them
> to everyone else in the world).
>
>
>
> The response =E2=80=9Cthey all leak=E2=80=9D is absolutely correct.  In f=
act, the problem
> is so pervasive and resistant to all attempts to solve the problem in
> manufacturing, that Moss no longer sells a functional valve.  What they
> sell has no internal drillings, it is just a plug.  It is made to look li=
ke
> the original for authenticity purposes, but does not function (and hence
> does not leak).
>
>
>
> If you disassemble one of these, original or repro, you will see that
> there are no seals.  The =E2=80=9Csealing=E2=80=9D is accomplished by a t=
apered metal stem
> fitted into a similarly tapered metal body.  The two parts are =E2=80=9Cc=
lamped=E2=80=9D
> together by virtue of the external spring and depend totally on a very
> tight and concentric fit between the two metal parts.  This valve was
> designed well before cars had pressurized cooling systems.  And yes, they
> always leaked.  But back in the day, before people started using distille=
d
> water and high quality antifreeze with effective anti-corrosion additives=
,
> the valves quickly plugged up with corrosion and, voila, stopped leaking.
> When they were opened and reclosed, they leaked again, until the corrosio=
n
> re-plugged them.
>
>
>
> If you are dead set on trying to make one leakproof, get some valve
> lapping compound, disassemble the valve, and =E2=80=9Clap=E2=80=9D the tw=
o parts together
> for an hour or so, until the two surfaces are as smooth and concentric as
> possible.  I have seen this work on occasion.  Basically you are perfecti=
ng
> the seating of the stem in the body.
>
>
>
> If you just want to stop the valve from leaking and don=E2=80=99t care ab=
out the
> function, you can remove the valve and plug or solder the inlet port.
>
>
>
> Jaguar used this same valve as a block mounted oil drain tap, with a bit
> more success due to the higher viscosity of oil vs. water.  Several Briti=
sh
> motorcycle companies and Indian used this valve as a fuel shut off (and y=
ou
> *Steve Kirby*
> *President*
> *China Auto Group*
> *From:* Triumphs <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *
> Kinderlehrer
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 2, 2021 10:40 AM
> *To:* 'Brian Thomas' <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps
>
>
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> Moss=E2=80=99s response to the leaking issue was =E2=80=9Cthey all do tha=
t=E2=80=9D. It=E2=80=99s been
> many years since I had this same issue. I solved it by taking the valve
> apart and polishing the parts. I don=E2=80=99t remember how I polished th=
em, maybe
> it was compound or 1500 grit wet/dry sandpaper.  Some PTFE on the threads
> that go into the block or radiator also helps. Anyway, no drips since.  I
> had to do this on 2 radiators.
>
>
>
> The other alternative is to use a =E2=80=9Cmodern=E2=80=9D petcock.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]
> <[email-masked]>] *On Behalf Of *Brian Thomas
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 02, 2021 9:11 AM
> *To:* [email-masked]
> *Cc:* Brad Smith ([email-masked])
> *Subject:* [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I=E2=80=99m having great difficulty getting either of the drain taps in t=
he TR2 to
> stop leaking.  I=E2=80=99ve tried various used taps from my 45+ year =E2=
=80=9Ccollection=E2=80=9D
> without any success.  The taps leak mostly out the drain hole but some al=
so
> but after install, both leak from the side opposite the lever =E2=80=93 s=
ee pic.
> This is with antifreeze in, rad cap off and no pressurization.  I=E2=80=
=99ve asked
> Rimmer for comment, but they are closed until Tuesday (bank holiday Monda=
y).
>
>
>
>
>
> The pic is shows the engine install with the spring portion =E2=80=9Cup=
=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 that=E2=80=99s
> what it tightened to.
>
>
>
> Has anyone had success with current offerings from the various vendors?  =
I
> see Moss also offers them =E2=80=93 others?  TRF doesn=E2=80=99t currentl=
y have them.
>
>
>
> I=E2=80=99m about to give up and try the Don Elliot solution sealing the =
taps
> where they thread into the block/rad.
>
>
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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<div dir=3D"auto">Would it work to make a circular recess in the valve and =
put a quality or ring slightly proud to get a good seal.=C2=A0 Would look t=
he same from the outside<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I sup=
pose if it crusted up over time the o-ring would no longer seal very well.=
=C2=A0 I have lapped these valves and gotten them to seal pretty well.</div=
><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The standards have changed q=
uite a bit since these cars were built with the radiator and fuel overflow =
&quot;reservoirs&quot; being the road or your garage.</div><div dir=3D"auto=
"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Greg Lemon</div><div dir=3D"auto">TR250</div>=
</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=
On Sun, May 2, 2021, 4:16 PM Steve Kirby &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sackirby@chi=
naautogroup.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc=
 solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72" style=3D"word-wrap:b=
reak-word">
<div class=3D"m_716693949099959459WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I can provide the definitive answer to this question=
 because my company makes these aftermarket valves for Moss Motors (who pro=
bably resells them to everyone else in the world).<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The response =E2=80=9Cthey all leak=E2=80=9D is abso=
lutely correct.=C2=A0 In fact, the problem is so pervasive and resistant to=
 all attempts to solve the problem in manufacturing, that Moss no longer se=
lls a functional valve.=C2=A0 What they sell has no internal
 drillings, it is just a plug.=C2=A0 It is made to look like the original f=
or authenticity purposes, but does not function (and hence does not leak).<=
u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If you disassemble one of these, original or repro, =
you will see that there are no seals.=C2=A0 The =E2=80=9Csealing=E2=80=9D i=
s accomplished by a tapered metal stem fitted into a similarly tapered meta=
l body.=C2=A0 The two parts are =E2=80=9Cclamped=E2=80=9D together by virtu=
e
 of the external spring and depend totally on a very tight and concentric f=
it between the two metal parts.=C2=A0 This valve was designed well before c=
ars had pressurized cooling systems.=C2=A0 And yes, they always leaked.=C2=
=A0 But back in the day, before people started using
 distilled water and high quality antifreeze with effective anti-corrosion =
additives, the valves quickly plugged up with corrosion and, voila, stopped=
 leaking.=C2=A0 When they were opened and reclosed, they leaked again, unti=
l the corrosion re-plugged them.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If you are dead set on trying to make one leakproof,=
 get some valve lapping compound, disassemble the valve, and =E2=80=9Clap=
=E2=80=9D the two parts together for an hour or so, until the two surfaces =
are as smooth and concentric as possible.=C2=A0 I have seen
 this work on occasion.=C2=A0 Basically you are perfecting the seating of t=
he stem in the body.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If you just want to stop the valve from leaking and =
don=E2=80=99t care about the function, you can remove the valve and plug or=
 solder the inlet port.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jaguar used this same valve as a block mounted oil d=
rain tap, with a bit more success due to the higher viscosity of oil vs. wa=
ter.=C2=A0 Several British motorcycle companies and Indian used this valve =
as a fuel shut off (and you can imagine
 how that worked!).<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hope that solves the mystery.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"color:#0070c0">Steve Kirby<u></=
u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>President<u></u><u></u></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>China Auto Group<u></u><u></u></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">22831 Avenida Empresa<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA<u></u><u></u></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Direct:=C2=A0 (949) 261-8208<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Fax:=C2=A0 (949) 767-5949<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cell:=C2=A0 (949) 903-0957<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Skype: steve.kirby29<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">triumphs-boun=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Kinderlehrer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 2, 2021 10:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> &#39;Brian Thomas&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; <a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">tr=
[email-masked]</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Hi Brian,<u></u><u></u=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Moss=E2=80=99s respons=
e to the leaking issue was =E2=80=9Cthey all do that=E2=80=9D. It=E2=80=99s=
 been many years since I had this same issue. I solved it by taking the val=
ve apart and polishing the parts. I don=E2=80=99t remember how I polished t=
hem,
 maybe it was compound or 1500 grit wet/dry sandpaper.=C2=A0 Some PTFE on t=
he threads that go into the block or radiator also helps. Anyway, no drips =
since.=C2=A0 I had to do this on 2 radiators.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">The other alternative =
is to use a =E2=80=9Cmodern=E2=80=9D petcock.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Hope this helps,<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Bob<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif"> Triumphs [<a href=3D"mailto:triu=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mailto:tr=
[email-masked]</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Brian Thomas<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 02, 2021 9:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Brad Smith (<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Hi,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">I=E2=80=99m having great difficulty getti=
ng either of the drain taps in the TR2 to stop leaking.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve =
tried various used taps from my 45+ year =E2=80=9Ccollection=E2=80=9D witho=
ut any success.=C2=A0
 The taps leak mostly out the drain hole but some also where screwed into t=
he block/rad.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">I recently ordered a pair of new replacem=
ents from Rimmer with high hopes but after install, both leak from the side=
 opposite the lever =E2=80=93 see pic.=C2=A0 This is with antifreeze
 in, rad cap off and no pressurization.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve asked Rimmer for=
 comment, but they are closed until Tuesday (bank holiday Monday).<u></u><u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><img border=3D"0" width=3D"998" height=3D=
"754" style=3D"width:10.3958in;height:7.8541in" id=3D"m_716693949099959459P=
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ng=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot=
;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">The pic is shows the engine install with =
the spring portion =E2=80=9Cup=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 that=E2=80=99s what it ti=
ghtened to.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Has anyone had success with current offer=
ings from the various vendors?=C2=A0 I see Moss also offers them =E2=80=93 =
others?=C2=A0 TRF doesn=E2=80=99t currently have them.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">I=E2=80=99m about to give up and try the =
Don Elliot solution sealing the taps where they thread into the block/rad.<=
u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Appreciate any suggestions.<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Stay well and cheers,<u></u><u></u></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Brian<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 15:26:37 -0700

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Well Steve, it solves the mystery but not the problem. What I understand
from your explanation is that you manufacture a product that is not going to
perform its intended purpose. There is no indication on the Moss online
catalogue that these petcocks will not function as petcocks - or that
leaking is guaranteed. 

I've installed 3 of these, 2 radiators and one block, and in each case I
took them apart and polished the cone and seat, none of them have leaked. If
I can do it, I don't see why the manufacturer can't.  

Bob

From: Steve Kirby [mailto:[email-masked]] 
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 2:16 PM
To: Kinderlehrer; 'Brian Thomas'; [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps

I can provide the definitive answer to this question because my company
makes these aftermarket valves for Moss Motors (who probably resells them to
everyone else in the world).

The response "they all leak" is absolutely correct.  In fact, the problem is
so pervasive and resistant to all attempts to solve the problem in
manufacturing, that Moss no longer sells a functional valve.  What they sell
has no internal drillings, it is just a plug.  It is made to look like the
original for authenticity purposes, but does not function (and hence does
not leak).

If you disassemble one of these, original or repro, you will see that there
are no seals.  The "sealing" is accomplished by a tapered metal stem fitted
into a similarly tapered metal body.  The two parts are "clamped" together
by virtue of the external spring and depend totally on a very tight and
concentric fit between the two metal parts.  This valve was designed well
before cars had pressurized cooling systems.  And yes, they always leaked.
But back in the day, before people started using distilled water and high
quality antifreeze with effective anti-corrosion additives, the valves
quickly plugged up with corrosion and, voila, stopped leaking.  When they
were opened and reclosed, they leaked again, until the corrosion re-plugged
them.

If you are dead set on trying to make one leakproof, get some valve lapping
compound, disassemble the valve, and "lap" the two parts together for an
hour or so, until the two surfaces are as smooth and concentric as possible.
I have seen this work on occasion.  Basically you are perfecting the seating
of the stem in the body.

If you just want to stop the valve from leaking and don't care about the
function, you can remove the valve and plug or solder the inlet port.

Jaguar used this same valve as a block mounted oil drain tap, with a bit
more success due to the higher viscosity of oil vs. water.  Several British
motorcycle companies and Indian used this valve as a fuel shut off (and you
can imagine how that worked!).

Steve Kirby

President

China Auto Group

22831 Avenida Empresa

Direct:  (949) 261-8208

Fax:  (949) 767-5949

Cell:  (949) 903-0957

Skype: steve.kirby29

www.chinaautogroup.com

Hi Brian,

Hope this helps,

Bob

Hi,

 

Stay well and cheers,

Brian

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style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I&#8217;ve installed 3 =
of these, 2 radiators and one block, and in each case I took them apart =
and polished the cone and seat, none of them have leaked. If I can do =
it, I don&#8217;t see why the manufacturer can&#8217;t. =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Steve Kirby [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> =
Sunday, May 02, 2021 2:16 PM<br><b>To:</b> Kinderlehrer; 'Brian Thomas'; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and =
Rad Taps<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I can =
provide the definitive answer to this question because my company makes =
these aftermarket valves for Moss Motors (who probably resells them to =
everyone else in the world).<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The response =
&#8220;they all leak&#8221; is absolutely correct.&nbsp; In fact, the =
problem is so pervasive and resistant to all attempts to solve the =
problem in manufacturing, that Moss no longer sells a functional =
valve.&nbsp; What they sell has no internal drillings, it is just a =
plug.&nbsp; It is made to look like the original for authenticity =
purposes, but does not function (and hence does not =
leak).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>If you disassemble one of these, original or repro, =
you will see that there are no seals.&nbsp; The &#8220;sealing&#8221; is =
accomplished by a tapered metal stem fitted into a similarly tapered =
metal body.&nbsp; The two parts are &#8220;clamped&#8221; together by =
virtue of the external spring and depend totally on a very tight and =
concentric fit between the two metal parts.&nbsp; This valve was =
designed well before cars had pressurized cooling systems.&nbsp; And =
yes, they always leaked.&nbsp; But back in the day, before people =
started using distilled water and high quality antifreeze with effective =
anti-corrosion additives, the valves quickly plugged up with corrosion =
and, voila, stopped leaking.&nbsp; When they were opened and reclosed, =
they leaked again, until the corrosion re-plugged them.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>If you are =
dead set on trying to make one leakproof, get some valve lapping =
compound, disassemble the valve, and &#8220;lap&#8221; the two parts =
together for an hour or so, until the two surfaces are as smooth and =
concentric as possible.&nbsp; I have seen this work on occasion.&nbsp; =
Basically you are perfecting the seating of the stem in the =
body.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>If you just want to stop the valve from leaking and =
don&#8217;t care about the function, you can remove the valve and plug =
or solder the inlet port.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Jaguar used =
this same valve as a block mounted oil drain tap, with a bit more =
success due to the higher viscosity of oil vs. water.&nbsp; Several =
British motorcycle companies and Indian used this valve as a fuel shut =
off (and you can imagine how that worked!).<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hope that =
solves the mystery.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span style=3D'color:#0070C0'>Steve =
Kirby<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b>President<o:p></o:p></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b>China Auto Group<o:p></o:p></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>22831 Avenida Empresa<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Direct:&nbsp; (949) 261-8208<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Fax:&nbsp; (949) 767-5949<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cell:&nbsp; (949) 903-0957<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Skype: steve.kirby29<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"http://www.chinaautogroup.com">www.chinaautogroup.com</a><o:p></o=
:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
am.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kinderlehrer<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, =
May 2, 2021 10:40 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Brian Thomas' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b=
>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad =
Taps<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hi Brian,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Moss&#8217;s response to =
the leaking issue was &#8220;they all do that&#8221;. It&#8217;s been =
many years since I had this same issue. I solved it by taking the valve =
apart and polishing the parts. I don&#8217;t remember how I polished =
them, maybe it was compound or 1500 grit wet/dry sandpaper. &nbsp;Some =
PTFE on the threads that go into the block or radiator also helps. =
Anyway, no drips since. &nbsp;I had to do this on 2 radiators. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The other alternative is =
to use a &#8220;modern&#8221; petcock.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hope this =
helps,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:triumphs-bounces@a=
utox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brian Thomas<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Sunday, May 02, 2021 9:11 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b=
>Cc:</b> Brad Smith (<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>)<br><b>Subj=
ect:</b> [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad =
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;<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;=
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oh come on.... there are many 'no seal' metal on metal, even glass on 
glass that do not leak!

Many of todays modern rotary lever sink faucets have no o-rings any 
more. They are simply flat ceramic wafers when you align the holes water 
flows. An that is a much higher pressure than any rad.

ptegler

On 5/2/2021 5:15 PM, Steve Kirby wrote:
>
> I can provide the definitive answer to this question because my 
> company makes these aftermarket valves for Moss Motors (who probably 
> resells them to everyone else in the world).
>
> The response �they all leak� is absolutely correct.� In fact, the 
> problem is so pervasive and resistant to all attempts to solve the 
> problem in manufacturing, that Moss no longer sells a functional 
> valve.� What they sell has no internal drillings, it is just a plug.� 
> It is made to look like the original for authenticity purposes, but 
> does not function (and hence does not leak).
>
> there are no seals.� The �sealing� is accomplished by a tapered metal 
> stem fitted into a similarly tapered metal body.� The two parts are 
> �clamped� together by virtue of the external spring and depend totally 
> on a very tight and concentric fit between the two metal parts.� This 
> valve was designed well before cars had pressurized cooling systems.� 
> And yes, they always leaked. But back in the day, before people 
> started using distilled water and high quality antifreeze with 
> effective anti-corrosion additives, the valves quickly plugged up with 
> corrosion and, voila, stopped leaking.� When they were opened and 
> reclosed, they leaked again, until the corrosion re-plugged them.
>
> lapping compound, disassemble the valve, and �lap� the two parts 
> together for an hour or so, until the two surfaces are as smooth and 
> concentric as possible.� I have seen this work on occasion.� Basically 
> you are perfecting the seating of the stem in the body.
>
> If you just want to stop the valve from leaking and don�t care about 
> the function, you can remove the valve and plug or solder the inlet port.
>
> Jaguar used this same valve as a block mounted oil drain tap, with a 
> bit more success due to the higher viscosity of oil vs. water.� 
> Several British motorcycle companies and Indian used this valve as a 
> fuel shut off (and you can imagine how that worked!).
>
> */Steve Kirby/*
> Direct:� (949) 261-8208
> Fax:� (949) 767-5949
> Cell:� (949) 903-0957
> *From:* Triumphs <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of 
> *Kinderlehrer
> Moss�s response to the leaking issue was �they all do that�. It�s been 
> many years since I had this same issue. I solved it by taking the 
> valve apart and polishing the parts. I don�t remember how I polished 
> them, maybe it was compound or 1500 grit wet/dry sandpaper. �Some PTFE 
> on the threads that go into the block or radiator also helps. Anyway, 
> no drips since. �I had to do this on 2 radiators.
>
> The other alternative is to use a �modern� petcock.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Bob
>
> *From:*Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked] 
> I�m having great difficulty getting either of the drain taps in the 
> TR2 to stop leaking.� I�ve tried various used taps from my 45+ year 
> �collection� without any success.� The taps leak mostly out the drain 
> hole but some also where screwed into the block/rad.
>
> I recently ordered a pair of new replacements from Rimmer with high 
> hopes but after install, both leak from the side opposite the lever � 
> see pic.� This is with antifreeze in, rad cap off and no 
> pressurization. I�ve asked Rimmer for comment, but they are closed 
> until Tuesday (bank holiday Monday).
>
> The pic is shows the engine install with the spring portion �up� � 
> that�s what it tightened to.
>
> Has anyone had success with current offerings from the various 
> vendors?� I see Moss also offers them � others?� TRF doesn�t currently 
> have them.
>
> I�m about to give up and try the Don Elliot solution sealing the taps 
> 92 Wyona Lane Phone:� 613-385-1947
>
> Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys:� 54 TR2,� 56 TR3,� 67 TR4A,
>
> Canada� K0H 2Y0���������������������������������� 01 XKR, 75 John 
> Deere 920
>
>
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    <p>oh come on.... there are many 'no seal' metal on metal, even
      glass on glass that do not leak!</p>
    <p>Many of todays modern rotary lever sink faucets have no o-rings
      any more. They are simply flat ceramic wafers when you align the
      holes water flows. An that is a much higher pressure than any rad.</p>
    <p>ptegler<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
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    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/2/2021 5:15 PM, Steve Kirby wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">I can provide the definitive answer to this
          question because my company makes these aftermarket valves for
          Moss Motors (who probably resells them to everyone else in the
          world).<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>�</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">The response �they all leak� is absolutely
          correct.� In fact, the problem is so pervasive and resistant
          to all attempts to solve the problem in manufacturing, that
          Moss no longer sells a functional valve.� What they sell has
          no internal drillings, it is just a plug.� It is made to look
          like the original for authenticity purposes, but does not
          function (and hence does not leak).<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>�</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">If you disassemble one of these, original
          or repro, you will see that there are no seals.� The �sealing�
          is accomplished by a tapered metal stem fitted into a
          similarly tapered metal body.� The two parts are �clamped�
          together by virtue of the external spring and depend totally
          on a very tight and concentric fit between the two metal
          parts.� This valve was designed well before cars had
          pressurized cooling systems.� And yes, they always leaked.�
          But back in the day, before people started using distilled
          water and high quality antifreeze with effective
          anti-corrosion additives, the valves quickly plugged up with
          corrosion and, voila, stopped leaking.� When they were opened
          and reclosed, they leaked again, until the corrosion
          re-plugged them.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>�</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">If you are dead set on trying to make one
          leakproof, get some valve lapping compound, disassemble the
          valve, and �lap� the two parts together for an hour or so,
          until the two surfaces are as smooth and concentric as
          possible.� I have seen this work on occasion.� Basically you
          are perfecting the seating of the stem in the body.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>�</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">If you just want to stop the valve from
          leaking and don�t care about the function, you can remove the
          valve and plug or solder the inlet port.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>�</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Jaguar used this same valve as a block
          mounted oil drain tap, with a bit more success due to the
          higher viscosity of oil vs. water.� Several British motorcycle
          companies and Indian used this valve as a fuel shut off (and
          you can imagine how that worked!).<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>�</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Hope that solves the mystery.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>�</o:p></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:#0070C0">Steve
                  Kirby<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b>President<o:p></o:p></b></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b>China Auto Group<o:p></o:p></b></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">22831 Avenida Empresa<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Direct:� (949) 261-8208<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Fax:� (949) 767-5949<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Cell:� (949) 903-0957<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Skype: steve.kirby29<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.chinaautogroup.com">www.chinaautogroup.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>�</o:p></p>
        <div>
          <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> <b>On Behalf Of
              </b>Kinderlehrer<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 2, 2021 10:40 AM<br>
              <b>To:</b> 'Brian Thomas' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>;
              <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>�</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi Brian,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Moss�s response
            to the leaking issue was �they all do that�. It�s been many
            years since I had this same issue. I solved it by taking the
            valve apart and polishing the parts. I don�t remember how I
            polished them, maybe it was compound or 1500 grit wet/dry
            sandpaper. �Some PTFE on the threads that go into the block
            or radiator also helps. Anyway, no drips since. �I had to do
            this on 2 radiators.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The other
            alternative is to use a �modern� petcock.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hope this
            helps,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
        <div>
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            1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                  style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif">
                Triumphs [<a
                  href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brian Thomas<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 02, 2021 9:11 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> Brad Smith (<a
                  href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>)<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>�</o:p></p>
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I rebuilt mine for the TR2.  used fine valve lapping compound on the taper
and cut a rubber washer from red/orange rubber I had around the shop. I
greased up the rubber and no leaks.  Hardest thing was finding a spring.

Never had leaks at the threads.  I have done the belt and suspenders thing,
teflon tape plus teflon pipe dope on ornery fittings with good sucess.

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">I rebuilt mine fo=
r the TR2.=C2=A0 used fine valve lapping compound on the taper and cut a ru=
bber washer from red/orange rubber I had around the shop. I greased up the =
rubber and no leaks.=C2=A0 Hardest thing was finding a spring.</div><div da=
ta-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature" dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div data-smartmail=
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Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 17:36:50 -0500

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Bob K.

Ditto!  It can't cost much more, if any, to do the job right.

Bill

TS30800L

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of
Kinderlehrer
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 5:27 PM
To: 'Steve Kirby' <[email-masked]>; 'Brian Thomas'
<[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps

Bob

Steve Kirby

President

China Auto Group

22831 Avenida Empresa

Direct:  (949) 261-8208

Fax:  (949) 767-5949

Cell:  (949) 903-0957

Skype: steve.kirby29

www.chinaautogroup.com <http://www.chinaautogroup.com> 

From: Triumphs <[email-masked]
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps

Hi Brian,

Hope this helps,

Bob

Hi,

 

Stay well and cheers,

Brian

Brian Thomas                            E-Mail:

 

 

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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Triumphs =
[mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Kinderlehrer<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 2, 2021 5:27 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Steve Kirby' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; =
'Brian Thomas' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and =
Rad Taps<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Well Steve, it solves the mystery but not the =
problem. What I understand from your explanation is that you manufacture =
a product that is not going to perform its intended purpose. There is no =
indication on the Moss online catalogue that these petcocks will not =
function as petcocks &#8211; or that leaking is guaranteed. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I&#8217;ve installed 3 =
of these, 2 radiators and one block, and in each case I took them apart =
and polished the cone and seat, none of them have leaked. If I can do =
it, I don&#8217;t see why the manufacturer can&#8217;t. =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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Steve Kirby [<a =
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Kinderlehrer; 'Brian Thomas'; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b=
>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad =
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Hello All,

For what it's worth, I am a pilot and my recreational aircraft is a restore=
d 1948 Taylorcraft with the Continental C85 engine. The wing tank fuel shut=
 off is an original solid brass valve with a leather washer on the stem tha=
t helps stop fuel seepage out of the stem, but it is not perfect. That valv=
e used to seep a drop here and there. My av gas is either red or blue depen=
ding on the octane. One day during my biannual check ride it seeped several=
 drops onto the brand-new cream colored chino pants my CFI was wearing. He =
was not pleased. But at least avgas evaporates along with it's dye and it d=
id not leave a permanent stain. But to prevent a recurrence the IA who does=
 my annual inspection disassembled the valve, replaced the leather washer o=
n the valve stem and lapped the valve stem and the valve body together, by =
hand, with Clover 400 and 800 grit valve lapping compound available at most=
 machine shop supply houses and perhaps AutoZone, reassembled the valve and=
 it no longer seeps even a single drop of avgas. The whole operation took a=
bout one hour. The valve has not leaked, or even seeped a single drop since=
 and that was last summer.

Maybe that will work for some of these leaking or seeping fuel valves. Ther=
e is a difference between a leak and a seep.

Best of luck to all of you that have this dilemma. I have found that the so=
lid brass valves are superior to steel valves.

Randall Reihing
1959 TR3A
1948 Taylorcraft BC12D85
________________________________
From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> on behalf of Kinderlehrer =
<[email-masked]>
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 6:26 PM
To: 'Steve Kirby' <[email-masked]>; 'Brian Thomas' <thomasb@qu=
eensu.ca>; [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps

Well Steve, it solves the mystery but not the problem. What I understand fr=
om your explanation is that you manufacture a product that is not going to =
perform its intended purpose. There is no indication on the Moss online cat=
alogue that these petcocks will not function as petcocks =96 or that leakin=
g is guaranteed.

I=92ve installed 3 of these, 2 radiators and one block, and in each case I =
took them apart and polished the cone and seat, none of them have leaked. I=
f I can do it, I don=92t see why the manufacturer can=92t.

Bob

The response =93they all leak=94 is absolutely correct.  In fact, the probl=
em is so pervasive and resistant to all attempts to solve the problem in ma=
nufacturing, that Moss no longer sells a functional valve.  What they sell =
has no internal drillings, it is just a plug.  It is made to look like the =
original for authenticity purposes, but does not function (and hence does n=
ot leak).

If you disassemble one of these, original or repro, you will see that there=
 are no seals.  The =93sealing=94 is accomplished by a tapered metal stem f=
itted into a similarly tapered metal body.  The two parts are =93clamped=94=
 together by virtue of the external spring and depend totally on a very tig=
ht and concentric fit between the two metal parts.  This valve was designed=
 well before cars had pressurized cooling systems.  And yes, they always le=
aked.  But back in the day, before people started using distilled water and=
 high quality antifreeze with effective anti-corrosion additives, the valve=
s quickly plugged up with corrosion and, voila, stopped leaking.  When they=
 were opened and reclosed, they leaked again, until the corrosion re-plugge=
d them.

If you are dead set on trying to make one leakproof, get some valve lapping=
 compound, disassemble the valve, and =93lap=94 the two parts together for =
an hour or so, until the two surfaces are as smooth and concentric as possi=
ble.  I have seen this work on occasion.  Basically you are perfecting the =
seating of the stem in the body.

If you just want to stop the valve from leaking and don=92t care about the =
function, you can remove the valve and plug or solder the inlet port.

Steve Kirby

President

China Auto Group

22831 Avenida Empresa

Direct:  (949) 261-8208

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ox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Kinderlehrer
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps

Hi Brian,

Moss=92s response to the leaking issue was =93they all do that=94. It=92s b=
een many years since I had this same issue. I solved it by taking the valve=
 apart and polishing the parts. I don=92t remember how I polished them, may=
be it was compound or 1500 grit wet/dry sandpaper.  Some PTFE on the thread=
s that go into the block or radiator also helps. Anyway, no drips since.  I=
 had to do this on 2 radiators.

The other alternative is to use a =93modern=94 petcock.

Hope this helps,

Bob

Hi,

Stay well and cheers,

Brian

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For what it's worth, I am a pilot and my recreational aircraft is a restore=
d 1948 Taylorcraft with the Continental C85 engine. The wing tank fuel shut=
 off is an original solid brass valve with a leather washer on the stem tha=
t helps stop fuel seepage out of
 the stem, but it is not perfect. That valve used to seep a drop here and t=
here. My av gas is either red or blue depending on the octane. One day duri=
ng my biannual check ride it seeped several drops onto the brand-new cream =
colored chino pants my CFI was wearing.
 He was not pleased. But at least avgas evaporates along with it's dye and =
it did not leave a permanent stain. But to prevent a recurrence the IA who =
does my annual inspection disassembled the valve, replaced the leather wash=
er on the valve stem and lapped
 the valve stem and the valve body together, by hand, with Clover 400 and 8=
00 grit valve lapping compound available at most machine shop supply houses=
 and perhaps AutoZone, reassembled the valve and it no longer seeps even a =
single drop of avgas. The whole
 operation took about one hour. The valve has not leaked, or even seeped a =
single drop since and that was last summer.&nbsp;</div>
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Maybe that will work for some of these leaking or seeping fuel valves. Ther=
e is a difference between a leak and a seep.&nbsp;</div>
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Best of luck to all of you that have this dilemma. I have found that the so=
lid brass valves are superior to steel valves.&nbsp;</div>
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Randall Reihing</div>
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1959 TR3A</div>
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1948 Taylorcraft BC12D85</div>
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' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]=
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Well Steve, it solve=
s the mystery but not the problem. What I understand from your explanation =
is that you manufacture a product that is not going to perform its intended=
 purpose. There is no indication on
 the Moss online catalogue that these petcocks will not function as petcock=
s =96 or that leaking is guaranteed.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I=92ve installed 3 o=
f these, 2 radiators and one block, and in each case I took them apart and =
polished the cone and seat, none of them have leaked. If I can do it, I don=
=92t see why the manufacturer can=92t. &nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Bob</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</=
span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
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uot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10.0pt; font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Stev=
e Kirby [mailto:[email-masked]]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 02, 2021 2:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kinderlehrer; 'Brian Thomas'; [email-masked]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">I can provide the definitive answer to this questi=
on because my company makes these aftermarket valves for Moss Motors (who p=
robably resells them to everyone else in the world).</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">The response =93they all leak=94 is absolutely cor=
rect.&nbsp; In fact, the problem is so pervasive and resistant to all attem=
pts to solve the problem in manufacturing, that Moss no longer sells a func=
tional valve.&nbsp; What they sell has no internal
 drillings, it is just a plug.&nbsp; It is made to look like the original f=
or authenticity purposes, but does not function (and hence does not leak).<=
/p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">If you disassemble one of these, original or repro=
, you will see that there are no seals.&nbsp; The =93sealing=94 is accompli=
shed by a tapered metal stem fitted into a similarly tapered metal body.&nb=
sp; The two parts are =93clamped=94 together by virtue
 of the external spring and depend totally on a very tight and concentric f=
it between the two metal parts.&nbsp; This valve was designed well before c=
ars had pressurized cooling systems.&nbsp; And yes, they always leaked.&nbs=
p; But back in the day, before people started using
 distilled water and high quality antifreeze with effective anti-corrosion =
additives, the valves quickly plugged up with corrosion and, voila, stopped=
 leaking.&nbsp; When they were opened and reclosed, they leaked again, unti=
l the corrosion re-plugged them.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">If you are dead set on trying to make one leakproo=
f, get some valve lapping compound, disassemble the valve, and =93lap=94 th=
e two parts together for an hour or so, until the two surfaces are as smoot=
h and concentric as possible.&nbsp; I have
 seen this work on occasion.&nbsp; Basically you are perfecting the seating=
 of the stem in the body.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">If you just want to stop the valve from leaking an=
d don=92t care about the function, you can remove the valve and plug or sol=
der the inlet port.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Jaguar used this same valve as a block mounted oil=
 drain tap, with a bit more success due to the higher viscosity of oil vs. =
water.&nbsp; Several British motorcycle companies and Indian used this valv=
e as a fuel shut off (and you can imagine
 how that worked!).</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Hope that solves the mystery.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"color:#0070C0">Steve Kirby</s=
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[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kinderlehrer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 2, 2021 10:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Brian Thomas' &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">thomasb=
@queensu.ca</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps</p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Brian,</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Moss=92s response to=
 the leaking issue was =93they all do that=94. It=92s been many years since=
 I had this same issue. I solved it by taking the valve apart and polishing=
 the parts. I don=92t remember how I polished
 them, maybe it was compound or 1500 grit wet/dry sandpaper. &nbsp;Some PTF=
E on the threads that go into the block or radiator also helps. Anyway, no =
drips since. &nbsp;I had to do this on 2 radiators.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The other alternativ=
e is to use a =93modern=94 petcock.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hope this helps,</sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Bob</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
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uot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10.0pt; font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Triu=
mphs [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:triumphs-bo=
[email-masked]</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Brian Thomas<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 02, 2021 9:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
et</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Brad Smith (<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">britspcars@g=
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<b>Subject:</b> [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt; fo=
nt-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Hi,</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt; fo=
nt-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt; fo=
nt-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">I=92m having great difficulty getting =
either of the drain taps in the TR2 to stop leaking.&nbsp; I=92ve tried var=
ious used taps from my 45+ year =93collection=94 without any
 success.&nbsp; The taps leak mostly out the drain hole but some also where=
 screwed into the block/rad.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt; fo=
nt-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt; fo=
nt-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">I recently ordered a pair of new repla=
cements from Rimmer with high hopes but after install, both leak from the s=
ide opposite the lever =96 see pic.&nbsp; This is with
 antifreeze in, rad cap off and no pressurization.&nbsp; I=92ve asked Rimme=
r for comment, but they are closed until Tuesday (bank holiday Monday).</sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt; fo=
nt-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">&nbsp;</span></p>
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nt-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><img border=3D"0" width=3D"998" height=
=3D"754" id=3D"x_Picture_x0020_26" data-outlook-trace=3D"F:1|T:1" src=3D"ci=
d:[email-masked]"></span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt; fo=
nt-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt; fo=
nt-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">The pic is shows the engine install wi=
th the spring portion =93up=94 =96 that=92s what it tightened to.</span></p=
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt; fo=
nt-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt; fo=
nt-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Has anyone had success with current of=
ferings from the various vendors?&nbsp; I see Moss also offers them =96 oth=
ers?&nbsp; TRF doesn=92t currently have them.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt; fo=
nt-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt; fo=
nt-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">I=92m about to give up and try the Don=
 Elliot solution sealing the taps where they thread into the block/rad.</sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt; fo=
nt-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt; fo=
nt-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Appreciate any suggestions.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt; fo=
nt-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt; fo=
nt-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Stay well and cheers,</span></p>
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nt-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt; fo=
nt-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Brian</span></p>
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
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mic Sans MS&quot;; color:#0070C0">&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:Brian.Thomas@Quee=
nsU.Ca"><span style=3D"text-decoration:none">[email-masked]</span>=
</a></span></p>
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From: Stan Foster <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 02:50:33 +0000

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The new engine drain tap leaked when I rebuilt my TR3 engine. I took the ta=
p apart and lapped the tapers together with toothpaste until all surfaces l=
ooked even. It did not take long. No leaks in 6 years and the engine still =
has that minty fresh smell.

Stan

From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Brian Thomas
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 12:11 PM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: Brad Smith ([email-masked]) <[email-masked]>
Subject: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps

Hi,

Stay well and cheers,

Brian

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">The new engine drain tap=
 leaked when I rebuilt my TR3 engine. I took the tap apart and lapped the t=
apers together with toothpaste until all surfaces looked even. It did not t=
ake long. No leaks in 6 years and the
 engine still has that minty fresh smell.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
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</b>Brian Thomas<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 2, 2021 12:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Brad Smith ([email-masked]) &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<b=
r>
<b>Subject:</b> [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps<o:p></o:p></p>
d various used taps from my 45+ year &#8220;collection&#8221; without any s=
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 11:03:28 +0000 (UTC)

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 Thanks for the clarification.=C2=A0 It's good to get the story from the so=
urce.=C2=A0=20

It might also be worth mentioning that "back in the day'" a few leaks were =
"expected" and garnered no complaints.=C2=A0 These days cars are so tight t=
hat any spots on the garage floor elicit great anxiety.
=20
Dave=20

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=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Kirby <[email-masked]>
To: Kinderlehrer <[email-masked]>; 'Brian Thomas' <thomasb@queens=
u.ca>; [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sun, May 2, 2021 4:15 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps

#yiv0783023809 #yiv0783023809 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _fi=
ltered {}#yiv0783023809 #yiv0783023809 p.yiv0783023809MsoNormal, #yiv078302=
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iv0783023809 I can provide the definitive answer to this question because m=
y company makes these aftermarket valves for Moss Motors (who probably rese=
lls them to everyone else in the world).  =C2=A0 The response =E2=80=9Cthey=
 all leak=E2=80=9D is absolutely correct.=C2=A0 In fact, the problem is so =
pervasive and resistant to all attempts to solve the problem in manufacturi=
ng, that Moss no longer sells a functional valve.=C2=A0 What they sell has =
no internal drillings, it is just a plug.=C2=A0 It is made to look like the=
 original for authenticity purposes, but does not function (and hence does =
not leak).  =C2=A0 If you disassemble one of these, original or repro, you =
will see that there are no seals.=C2=A0 The =E2=80=9Csealing=E2=80=9D is ac=
complished by a tapered metal stem fitted into a similarly tapered metal bo=
dy.=C2=A0 The two parts are =E2=80=9Cclamped=E2=80=9D together by virtue of=
 the external spring and depend totally on a very tight and concentric fit =
between the two metal parts.=C2=A0 This valve was designed well before cars=
 had pressurized cooling systems.=C2=A0 And yes, they always leaked.=C2=A0 =
But back in the day, before people started using distilled water and high q=
uality antifreeze with effective anti-corrosion additives, the valves quick=
ly plugged up with corrosion and, voila, stopped leaking.=C2=A0 When they w=
ere opened and reclosed, they leaked again, until the corrosion re-plugged =
them.  =C2=A0 If you are dead set on trying to make one leakproof, get some=
 valve lapping compound, disassemble the valve, and =E2=80=9Clap=E2=80=9D t=
he two parts together for an hour or so, until the two surfaces are as smoo=
th and concentric as possible.=C2=A0 I have seen this work on occasion.=C2=
=A0 Basically you are perfecting the seating of the stem in the body.  =C2=
=A0 If you just want to stop the valve from leaking and don=E2=80=99t care =
about the function, you can remove the valve and plug or solder the inlet p=
ort.  =C2=A0 Jaguar used this same valve as a block mounted oil drain tap, =
with a bit more success due to the higher viscosity of oil vs. water.=C2=A0=
 Several British motorcycle companies and Indian used this valve as a fuel =
shut off (and you can imagine how that worked!).  =C2=A0 Hope that solves t=
he mystery.  =C2=A0 Steve Kirby President China Auto Group 22831 Avenida Em=
presa Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA Direct:=C2=A0 (949) 261-8208 Fax=
:=C2=A0 (949) 767-5949 Cell:=C2=A0 (949) 903-0957 Skype: steve.kirby29 www.=
chinaautogroup.com  =C2=A0 From: Triumphs <[email-masked]>=
 On Behalf OfKinderlehrer
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 10:40 AM
To: 'Brian Thomas' <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps  =C2=A0 Hi Brian, Moss=E2=80=
=99s response to the leaking issue was =E2=80=9Cthey all do that=E2=80=9D. =
It=E2=80=99s been many years since I had this same issue. I solved it by ta=
king the valve apart and polishing the parts. I don=E2=80=99t remember how =
I polished them, maybe it was compound or 1500 grit wet/dry sandpaper. =C2=
=A0Some PTFE on the threads that go into the block or radiator also helps. =
Anyway, no drips since. =C2=A0I had to do this on 2 radiators.  =C2=A0 The =
other alternative is to use a =E2=80=9Cmodern=E2=80=9D petcock.  =C2=A0 Hop=
e this helps,  =C2=A0 Bob  =C2=A0  =C2=A0 From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-b=
[email-masked]]On Behalf Of Brian Thomas
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 9:11 AM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: Brad Smith ([email-masked])
Subject: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps  =C2=A0 Hi,  =C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m h=
aving great difficulty getting either of the drain taps in the TR2 to stop =
leaking.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve tried various used taps from my 45+ year =E2=80=
=9Ccollection=E2=80=9D without any success.=C2=A0 The taps leak mostly out =
the drain hole but some also where screwed into the block/rad.  =C2=A0 I re=
cently ordered a pair of new replacements from Rimmer with high hopes but a=
fter install, both leak from the side opposite the lever =E2=80=93 see pic.=
=C2=A0 This is with antifreeze in, rad cap off and no pressurization.=C2=A0=
 I=E2=80=99ve asked Rimmer for comment, but they are closed until Tuesday (=
bank holiday Monday).  =C2=A0   =C2=A0 The pic is shows the engine install =
with the spring portion =E2=80=9Cup=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 that=E2=80=99s what =
it tightened to.  =C2=A0 Has anyone had success with current offerings from=
 the various vendors?=C2=A0 I see Moss also offers them =E2=80=93 others?=
=C2=A0 TRF doesn=E2=80=99t currently have them.  =C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m about t=
o give up and try the Don Elliot solution sealing the taps where they threa=
d into the block/rad.  =C2=A0 Appreciate any suggestions.  =C2=A0 Stay well=
 and cheers,  =C2=A0 Brian ________________________________________________=
_____ Brian Thomas=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0E-Mail:=C2=[email-masked] 92 Wyona=
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=C2=A0Phone:=C2=A0 613-385-1947 Wolfe Island,=C2=A0 Ontario=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
Toys:=C2=A0 54 TR2,=C2=A0 56 TR3,=C2=A0 67 TR4A,=C2=A0 Canada=C2=A0 K0H 2Y0=
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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 01 XKR,=C2=A075 John=
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<div> T<font size=3D"3">hanks for the clarification.&nbsp; It's good to get=
 the story from the source.&nbsp; <br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">It might also be worth mentioning that "back in the d=
ay'" a few leaks were "expected" and garnered no complaints.&nbsp; These da=
ys cars are so tight that any spots on the garage floor elicit great anxiet=
y.</font><br>
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<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font=
 size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Steve Kirby &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Kinderlehrer &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; 'Brian Thomas' &lt;thoma=
[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<=
br>
Sent: Sun, May 2, 2021 4:15 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps<br>
<br>

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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal">I can provide the definitive answer t=
o this question because my company makes these aftermarket valves for Moss =
Motors (who probably resells them to everyone else in the world).</div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal">The response =E2=80=9Cthey all leak=
=E2=80=9D is absolutely correct.&nbsp; In fact, the problem is so pervasive=
 and resistant to all attempts to solve the problem in manufacturing, that =
Moss no longer sells a functional valve.&nbsp; What they sell has no intern=
al
 drillings, it is just a plug.&nbsp; It is made to look like the original f=
or authenticity purposes, but does not function (and hence does not leak).<=
/div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal">If you disassemble one of these, orig=
inal or repro, you will see that there are no seals.&nbsp; The =E2=80=9Csea=
ling=E2=80=9D is accomplished by a tapered metal stem fitted into a similar=
ly tapered metal body.&nbsp; The two parts are =E2=80=9Cclamped=E2=80=9D to=
gether by virtue
 of the external spring and depend totally on a very tight and concentric f=
it between the two metal parts.&nbsp; This valve was designed well before c=
ars had pressurized cooling systems.&nbsp; And yes, they always leaked.&nbs=
p; But back in the day, before people started using
 distilled water and high quality antifreeze with effective anti-corrosion =
additives, the valves quickly plugged up with corrosion and, voila, stopped=
 leaking.&nbsp; When they were opened and reclosed, they leaked again, unti=
l the corrosion re-plugged them.</div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal">If you are dead set on trying to make=
 one leakproof, get some valve lapping compound, disassemble the valve, and=
 =E2=80=9Clap=E2=80=9D the two parts together for an hour or so, until the =
two surfaces are as smooth and concentric as possible.&nbsp; I have seen
 this work on occasion.&nbsp; Basically you are perfecting the seating of t=
he stem in the body.</div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal">If you just want to stop the valve fr=
om leaking and don=E2=80=99t care about the function, you can remove the va=
lve and plug or solder the inlet port.</div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal">Jaguar used this same valve as a bloc=
k mounted oil drain tap, with a bit more success due to the higher viscosit=
y of oil vs. water.&nbsp; Several British motorcycle companies and Indian u=
sed this valve as a fuel shut off (and you can imagine
 how that worked!).</div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal">Hope that solves the mystery.</div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
=20

<div>

<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"color:#0070C0;">=
Steve Kirby</span></i></b></div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><b>President</b></div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><b>China Auto Group</b></div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal">22831 Avenida Empresa</div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal">Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA<=
/div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal">Direct:&nbsp; (949) 261-8208</div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal">Fax:&nbsp; (949) 767-5949</div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal">Cell:&nbsp; (949) 903-0957</div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal">Skype: steve.kirby29</div>
=20

<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal">www.chinaautogroup.com</div>
=20
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;triumphs-bo=
[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Kinderlehrer<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 2, 2021 10:40 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> 'Brian Thomas' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked]=
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">Hi Bri=
an,</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">Moss=
=E2=80=99s response to the leaking issue was =E2=80=9Cthey all do that=E2=
=80=9D. It=E2=80=99s been many years since I had this same issue. I solved =
it by taking the valve apart and polishing the parts. I don=E2=80=99t remem=
ber how I polished them,
 maybe it was compound or 1500 grit wet/dry sandpaper. &nbsp;Some PTFE on t=
he threads that go into the block or radiator also helps. Anyway, no drips =
since. &nbsp;I had to do this on 2 radiators.
</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">The ot=
her alternative is to use a =E2=80=9Cmodern=E2=80=9D petcock.</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">Hope t=
his helps,</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp=
;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">Bob</s=
pan></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp=
;</span></div>
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pe=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:triumphs-bounc=
[email-masked]</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Brian Thomas<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 02, 2021 9:11 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
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[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none">
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<b>Subject:</b> [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;" lang=3D"EN-CA">Hi,</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;" lang=3D"EN-CA"> &nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;" lang=3D"EN-CA">I=E2=80=99m having great difficulty getting ei=
ther of the drain taps in the TR2 to stop leaking.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve tried=
 various used taps from my 45+ year =E2=80=9Ccollection=E2=80=9D without an=
y success.&nbsp;
 The taps leak mostly out the drain hole but some also where screwed into t=
he block/rad.</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;" lang=3D"EN-CA"> &nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;" lang=3D"EN-CA">I recently ordered a pair of new replacements =
from Rimmer with high hopes but after install, both leak from the side oppo=
site the lever =E2=80=93 see pic.&nbsp; This is with antifreeze
 in, rad cap off and no pressurization.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve asked Rimmer for=
 comment, but they are closed until Tuesday (bank holiday Monday).</span></=
div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;" lang=3D"EN-CA"> &nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;" lang=3D"EN-CA"><img id=3D"yiv0783023809Picture_x0020_26" styl=
e=3D"width:10.3958in;min-height:7.8541in;" src=3D"cid:mGAUmLhW6JLYAuNGSXWQ"=
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;" lang=3D"EN-CA"> &nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;" lang=3D"EN-CA">The pic is shows the engine install with the s=
pring portion =E2=80=9Cup=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 that=E2=80=99s what it tighten=
ed to.</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;" lang=3D"EN-CA"> &nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;" lang=3D"EN-CA">Has anyone had success with current offerings =
from the various vendors?&nbsp; I see Moss also offers them =E2=80=93 other=
s?&nbsp; TRF doesn=E2=80=99t currently have them.
</span></div>
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family:Sans;" lang=3D"EN-CA"> &nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;" lang=3D"EN-CA">I=E2=80=99m about to give up and try the Don E=
lliot solution sealing the taps where they thread into the block/rad.</span=
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;" lang=3D"EN-CA"> &nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;" lang=3D"EN-CA">Appreciate any suggestions.</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;" lang=3D"EN-CA"> &nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;" lang=3D"EN-CA">Stay well and cheers,</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;" lang=3D"EN-CA"> &nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0783023809MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;" lang=3D"EN-CA">Brian</span></div>
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family:Sans;color:#C00000;" lang=3D"EN-CA">________________________________=
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family:Sans;color:#0070C0;" lang=3D"EN-CA">Brian Thomas&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
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;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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g=3D"EN-CA">&nbsp;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ym=
ailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:B=
[email-masked]"><span style=3D"text-decoration:none;">Brian.Thomas@=
QueensU.Ca</span></a></span></div>
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From: "Reihing, Randall S." <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 18:20:32 +0000

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Stan has the solution but in place of toothpaste the Clover Lapping Compoun=
d might be faster. Try 800 grit and finer.

Randall Reihing
1959 TR3A
________________________________
From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> on behalf of Stan Foster <=
[email-masked]>
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 10:50 PM
To: Triumphs <[email-masked]>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [TR] FW: TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps

Stan

Hi,

Stay well and cheers,

Brian

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Stan has the solution but in place of toothpaste the Clover Lapping Compoun=
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">The new engine drain t=
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<b>Subject:</b> [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps</p>
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either of the drain taps in the TR2 to stop leaking.&nbsp; I=92ve tried var=
ious used taps from my 45+ year =93collection=94 without any
 success.&nbsp; The taps leak mostly out the drain hole but some also where=
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nt-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">I recently ordered a pair of new repla=
cements from Rimmer with high hopes but after install, both leak from the s=
ide opposite the lever =96 see pic.&nbsp; This is with
 antifreeze in, rad cap off and no pressurization.&nbsp; I=92ve asked Rimme=
r for comment, but they are closed until Tuesday (bank holiday Monday).</sp=
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I start with valve grind compound and finish with toothpaste.

B

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of
Reihing, Randall S.
Sent: Monday, May 3, 2021 1:21 PM
To: Stan Foster <[email-masked]>; Triumphs <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] [EXTERNAL] FW: TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps

Stan has the solution but in place of toothpaste the Clover Lapping Compound
might be faster. Try 800 grit and finer. 

Randall Reihing

1959 TR3A

  _____  

The new engine drain tap leaked when I rebuilt my TR3 engine. I took the tap
apart and lapped the tapers together with toothpaste until all surfaces
looked even. It did not take long. No leaks in 6 years and the engine still
has that minty fresh smell.

Stan

Hi,

 

Stay well and cheers,

Brian

Brian Thomas                            E-Mail:

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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>I start with valve grind compound and finish with =
toothpaste.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>B<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Reihing, Randall S.<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 3, 2021 1:21 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Stan Foster &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Triumphs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] [EXTERNAL] =
FW: TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Stan has the =
solution but in place of toothpaste the Clover Lapping Compound might be =
faster. Try 800 grit and finer.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Randall =
Reihing<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>1959 =
TR3A<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center'><hr size=3D2 width=3D"98%" =
align=3Dcenter></div><div id=3DdivRplyFwdMsg><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>F=
rom:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Triumphs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
am.net</a>&gt; on behalf of Stan Foster &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Sunday, May 2, 2021 10:50 PM<br><b>To:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<b=
r><b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] [TR] FW: TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal><span style=3D'color:black'>The new engine drain tap =
leaked when I rebuilt my TR3 engine. I took the tap apart and lapped the =
tapers together with toothpaste until all surfaces looked even. It did =
not take long. No leaks in 6 years and the engine still has that minty =
fresh smell.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Stan</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3Dxmsonormal><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
am.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brian Thomas<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, =
May 2, 2021 12:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b=
>Cc:</b> Brad Smith (<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>S=
ubject:</b> [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad =
Taps<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>Hi,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>I&#8217;m having great difficulty getting either of the drain taps =
in the TR2 to stop leaking.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve tried various used taps =
from my 45+ year &#8220;collection&#8221; without any success.&nbsp; The =
taps leak mostly out the drain hole but some also where screwed into the =
block/rad.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>I =
recently ordered a pair of new replacements from Rimmer with high hopes =
but after install, both leak from the side opposite the lever &#8211; =
see pic.&nbsp; This is with antifreeze in, rad cap off and no =
pressurization.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve asked Rimmer for comment, but they are =
closed until Tuesday (bank holiday Monday).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><img =
border=3D0 width=3D998 height=3D754 id=3D"x_Picture_x0020_26" =
src=3D"cid:[email-masked]"></span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>The =
pic is shows the engine install with the spring portion &#8220;up&#8221; =
&#8211; that&#8217;s what it tightened to.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Has =
anyone had success with current offerings from the various =
vendors?&nbsp; I see Moss also offers them &#8211; others?&nbsp; TRF =
doesn&#8217;t currently have them. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>I&#8217;m about to give up and try the Don Elliot solution sealing =
the taps where they thread into the block/rad.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>Appreciate any suggestions.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Stay =
well and cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>Brian</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
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style=3D'text-decoration:none'>[email-masked]</span></a></span><=
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How can one tell when the two parts are correctly and sufficiently lapped?
Do we need to reassemble the parts, re-mount it to the block each time?

On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 2:22 PM Reihing, Randall S. <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Stan has the solution but in place of toothpaste the Clover Lapping
> Compound might be faster. Try 800 grit and finer.
>
> Randall Reihing
> 1959 TR3A
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Triumphs <[email-masked]> on behalf of Stan
> Foster <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 2, 2021 10:50 PM
> *To:* Triumphs <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [TR] FW: TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps
>
>
> The new engine drain tap leaked when I rebuilt my TR3 engine. I took the
> tap apart and lapped the tapers together with toothpaste until all surfac=
es
> looked even. It did not take long. No leaks in 6 years and the engine sti=
ll
> *From:* Triumphs <[email-masked]> * On Behalf Of *Brian
> Thomas
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 2, 2021 12:11 PM
> *Cc:* Brad Smith ([email-masked]) <[email-masked]>
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<div dir=3D"auto">How can one tell when the two parts are correctly and suf=
ficiently lapped? Do we need to reassemble the parts, re-mount it to the bl=
ock each time?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=
On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 2:22 PM Reihing, Randall S. &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Ra=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
Stan has the solution but in place of toothpaste the Clover Lapping Compoun=
d might be faster. Try 800 grit and finer.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
Randall Reihing</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
1959 TR3A</div>
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<hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div id=3D"m_-1194398242546532104divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"C=
alibri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b>=
 Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of Stan Foster &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 2, 2021 10:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] [TR] FW: TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>

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reak-word">
<div>
<p><span style=3D"color:black">The new engine drain tap leaked when I rebui=
lt my TR3 engine. I took the tap apart and lapped the tapers together with =
toothpaste until all surfaces looked even. It did not take long. No leaks i=
n 6 years and
 the engine still has that minty fresh smell.</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black">Stan</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0</span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>
On Behalf Of </b>Brian Thomas<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 2, 2021 12:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tri=
[email-masked]</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Brad Smith (<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a>) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [TR] TR2-3-4 Engine and Rad Taps</p>
</div>
</div>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic S=
ans MS&quot;">Hi,</span></p>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic S=
ans MS&quot;">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic S=
ans MS&quot;">I=E2=80=99m having great difficulty getting either of the dra=
in taps in the TR2 to stop leaking.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve tried various used t=
aps from my 45+ year =E2=80=9Ccollection=E2=80=9D without any
 success.=C2=A0 The taps leak mostly out the drain hole but some also where=
 screwed into the block/rad.</span></p>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic S=
ans MS&quot;">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic S=
ans MS&quot;">I recently ordered a pair of new replacements from Rimmer wit=
h high hopes but after install, both leak from the side opposite the lever =
=E2=80=93 see pic.=C2=A0 This is with
 antifreeze in, rad cap off and no pressurization.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve asked=
 Rimmer for comment, but they are closed until Tuesday (bank holiday Monday=
).</span></p>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic S=
ans MS&quot;">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic S=
ans MS&quot;"><img src=3D"cid:179341e42e7ad7999131" style=3D"width:896px;ma=
x-width:100%"></span><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"></span></p>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic S=
ans MS&quot;">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic S=
ans MS&quot;">The pic is shows the engine install with the spring portion =
=E2=80=9Cup=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 that=E2=80=99s what it tightened to.</span><=
/p>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic S=
ans MS&quot;">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic S=
ans MS&quot;">Has anyone had success with current offerings from the variou=
s vendors?=C2=A0 I see Moss also offers them =E2=80=93 others?=C2=A0 TRF do=
esn=E2=80=99t currently have them.
</span></p>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic S=
ans MS&quot;">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic S=
ans MS&quot;">I=E2=80=99m about to give up and try the Don Elliot solution =
sealing the taps where they thread into the block/rad.</span></p>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic S=
ans MS&quot;">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic S=
ans MS&quot;">Appreciate any suggestions.</span></p>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic S=
ans MS&quot;">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic S=
ans MS&quot;">Stay well and cheers,</span></p>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic S=
ans MS&quot;">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic S=
ans MS&quot;">Brian</span></p>
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