Subject: [TR] washing and "waxing"

From: "Ron L'Herault" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 11:26:47 -0400

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My '73 TR-6 is mostly original paint with a few areas of repaint for damage
repair,  some of which date to before I acquired the car in 1979.    It has
seen a lot of polishing over the years to the extent that some upper narrow
radius edges are starting to show primer.  I'm seeing lots of new ceramic
this and diamond that "waxes"  talked about and have been wondering if they
are effective and/or desirable to use on vintage paint.  So, who is using
what to keep their cars shiny?  What do you wash with first?  Using
traditional waxes or new stuff?   Problems?  Holding up to rain is not an
issue for me.  I try not to take the car out in wet weather.

Thanks,

Ron L

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&#8217;73 TR-6 is mostly original paint with a few areas of repaint for =
damage repair, &nbsp;some of which date to before I acquired the car in =
1979.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It has seen a lot of polishing over the years to =
the extent that some upper narrow radius edges are starting to show =
primer.&nbsp; I&#8217;m seeing lots of new ceramic this and diamond that =
&#8220;waxes&#8221;&nbsp; talked about and have been wondering if they =
are effective and/or desirable to use on vintage paint.&nbsp; So, who is =
using what to keep their cars shiny?&nbsp; What do you wash with =
first?&nbsp; Using traditional waxes or new stuff?&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Problems?&nbsp; Holding up to rain is not an issue for me.&nbsp; I try =
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"Don't discuss politics or religion in polite company"

:-O

On 2021-04-26 10:26, Ron L'Herault wrote:

> My '73 TR-6 is mostly original paint with a few areas of repaint for 
> damage repair,  some of which date to before I acquired the car in 
> 1979.    It has seen a lot of polishing over the years to the extent 
> that some upper narrow radius edges are starting to show primer.  I'm 
> seeing lots of new ceramic this and diamond that "waxes"  talked about 
> and have been wondering if they are effective and/or desirable to use 
> on vintage paint.  So, who is using what to keep their cars shiny?  
> What do you wash with first?  Using traditional waxes or new stuff?   
> Problems?  Holding up to rain is not an issue for me.  I try not to 
> take the car out in wet weather.
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<p>"Don't discuss politics or religion in polite company"</p>
<p>:-O</p>
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<p class=3D"v1MsoNormal">My &rsquo;73 TR-6 is mostly original paint with a =
few areas of repaint for damage repair, &nbsp;some of which date to before =
I acquired the car in 1979.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It has seen a lot of polishin=
g over the years to the extent that some upper narrow radius edges are star=
ting to show primer.&nbsp; I&rsquo;m seeing lots of new ceramic this and di=
amond that &ldquo;waxes&rdquo;&nbsp; talked about and have been wondering i=
f they are effective and/or desirable to use on vintage paint.&nbsp; So, wh=
o is using what to keep their cars shiny?&nbsp; What do you wash with first=
?&nbsp; Using traditional waxes or new stuff?&nbsp;&nbsp; Problems?&nbsp; H=
olding up to rain is not an issue for me.&nbsp; I try not to take the car o=
ut in wet weather.</p>
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From: Frank Fisher <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 15:23:28 +0000 (UTC)

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 ??????who was discussing politics or religion?

    On Monday, April 26, 2021, 04:28:14 PM PDT, <[email-masked]> wrote=
: =20
=20
=20
"Don't discuss politics or religion in polite company"

:-O

My =E2=80=9973 TR-6 is mostly original paint with a few areas of repaint fo=
r damage repair, =C2=A0some of which date to before I acquired the car in 1=
979.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 It has seen a lot of polishing over the years to the=
 extent that some upper narrow radius edges are starting to show primer.=C2=
=A0 I=E2=80=99m seeing lots of new ceramic this and diamond that =E2=80=9Cw=
axes=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 talked about and have been wondering if they are effect=
ive and/or desirable to use on vintage paint.=C2=A0 So, who is using what t=
o keep their cars shiny?=C2=A0 What do you wash with first?=C2=A0 Using tra=
ditional waxes or new stuff?=C2=A0=C2=A0 Problems?=C2=A0 Holding up to rain=
 is not an issue for me.=C2=A0 I try not to take the car out in wet weather=
.

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        <div>??????</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">who was dis=
cussing politics or religion?</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
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                    On Monday, April 26, 2021, 04:28:14 PM PDT,  &lt;lee@au=
tomate-it.com&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp7ce0fb16yiv2530683353"><div>
<p>"Don't discuss politics or religion in polite company"</p>
<p>:-O</p>
<p><br></p>
<p id=3D"ydp7ce0fb16yiv2530683353reply-intro">On 2021-04-26 10:26, Ron L'He=
rault wrote:</p>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"padding:0 0.4em;border-left:#1010ff 2px =
solid;margin:0;">
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<p class=3D"ydp7ce0fb16yiv2530683353v1MsoNormal">My =E2=80=9973 TR-6 is mos=
tly original paint with a few areas of repaint for damage repair, &nbsp;som=
e of which date to before I acquired the car in 1979.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It =
has seen a lot of polishing over the years to the extent that some upper na=
rrow radius edges are starting to show primer.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m seeing lot=
s of new ceramic this and diamond that =E2=80=9Cwaxes=E2=80=9D&nbsp; talked=
 about and have been wondering if they are effective and/or desirable to us=
e on vintage paint.&nbsp; So, who is using what to keep their cars shiny?&n=
bsp; What do you wash with first?&nbsp; Using traditional waxes or new stuf=
f?&nbsp;&nbsp; Problems?&nbsp; Holding up to rain is not an issue for me.&n=
bsp; I try not to take the car out in wet weather.</p>
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I think the joke is that auto wax (and motor oil) are akin to religion and
politics for the purpose of civil discourse.  Some people are adamant about
their choices.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 11:24 Frank Fisher <[email-masked]> wrote:

> On Monday, April 26, 2021, 04:28:14 PM PDT, <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
> My =E2=80=9973 TR-6 is mostly original paint with a few areas of repaint =
for
> damage repair,  some of which date to before I acquired the car in 1979.
> It has seen a lot of polishing over the years to the extent that some upp=
er
> narrow radius edges are starting to show primer.  I=E2=80=99m seeing lots=
 of new
> ceramic this and diamond that =E2=80=9Cwaxes=E2=80=9D  talked about and h=
ave been wondering
> if they are effective and/or desirable to use on vintage paint.  So, who =
is
> using what to keep their cars shiny?  What do you wash with first?  Using
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<div dir=3D"auto">I think the joke is that auto wax (and motor oil) are aki=
n to religion and politics for the purpose of civil discourse.=C2=A0 Some p=
eople are adamant about their choices.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 11:24 Frank Fis=
her &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-fami=
ly:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div></div>
        <div>??????</div><div dir=3D"ltr">who was discussing politics or re=
ligion?</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br></div><div><br></div>
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        </div><div id=3D"m_8034437781575897834ydp7ce0fb16yahoo_quoted_97862=
59435">
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                    On Monday, April 26, 2021, 04:28:14 PM PDT,  &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">lee@a=
utomate-it.com</a>&gt; wrote:
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53"><div>
<p>&quot;Don&#39;t discuss politics or religion in polite company&quot;</p>
<p>:-O</p>
<p><br></p>
<p id=3D"m_8034437781575897834ydp7ce0fb16yiv2530683353reply-intro">On 2021-=
04-26 10:26, Ron L&#39;Herault wrote:</p>
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solid;margin:0">
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<p>My =E2=80=9973 TR-6 is mostly original paint with a few areas of repaint=
 for damage repair, =C2=A0some of which date to before I acquired the car i=
n 1979.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 It has seen a lot of polishing over the years to =
the extent that some upper narrow radius edges are starting to show primer.=
=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m seeing lots of new ceramic this and diamond that =E2=80=
=9Cwaxes=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 talked about and have been wondering if they are ef=
fective and/or desirable to use on vintage paint.=C2=A0 So, who is using wh=
at to keep their cars shiny?=C2=A0 What do you wash with first?=C2=A0 Using=
 traditional waxes or new stuff?=C2=A0=C2=A0 Problems?=C2=A0 Holding up to =
rain is not an issue for me.=C2=A0 I try not to take the car out in wet wea=
ther.</p>
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From: Allen Hess <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 15:39:31 -0400

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I use Meguiars car wash. Followed by a clay bar or synthetic clay pad once a=
 year. Since the paint is thin, I would avoid a polish and just go to a wax o=
r sealant. I bought an orbital polisher kit years ago and it came with a sea=
lant. It worked well and I=E2=80=99ve not tried a wax. The kit came with Wol=
fgang products but they=E2=80=99re a bit expensive. Currently using Meguiars=
 Synthetic Sealant 2.0 #21. Throughout the season after a wash I use Griots G=
arage Best of Show Detailer. Works great on top window too.=20

A member of our club is friends with Tim McNair, Gran Prix Concours. So, he h=
as given a presentation to our club a couple times. At the last one, someone=
 asked about ceramic coatings. I don=E2=80=99t recall now but the answer was=
 close to =E2=80=9Cdon=E2=80=99t bother=E2=80=9D. At the time ceramic produc=
ts were very expensive and tedious or difficult to use. My cynical side thin=
ks that the current products are jumping on the marketing band wagon.  Googl=
e him and you=E2=80=99ll find some Hagerty sponsored videos and other articl=
es.=20
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Allen, TR4
>> My =E2=80=9973 TR-6 is mostly original paint with a few areas of repaint f=
or damage repair,  some of which date to before I acquired the car in 1979. =
   It has seen a lot of polishing over the years to the extent that some upp=
er narrow radius edges are starting to show primer.  I=E2=80=99m seeing lots=
 of new ceramic this and diamond that =E2=80=9Cwaxes=E2=80=9D  talked about a=
nd have been wondering if they are effective and/or desirable to use on vint=
age paint.  So, who is using what to keep their cars shiny?  What do you was=
h with first?  Using traditional waxes or new stuff?   Problems?  Holding up=
 to rain is not an issue for me.  I try not to take the car out in wet weath=
er.
e
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">I use Meguiars car wash. Fo=
llowed by a clay bar or synthetic clay pad once a year. Since the paint is t=
hin, I would avoid a polish and just go to a wax or sealant. I bought an orb=
ital polisher kit years ago and it came with a sealant. It worked well and I=
=E2=80=99ve not tried a wax. The kit came with Wolfgang products but they=E2=
=80=99re a bit expensive. Currently using Meguiars Synthetic Sealant 2.0 #21=
. Throughout the season after a wash I use Griots Garage Best of Show Detail=
er. Works great on top window too.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">A member of our club is friends with Tim McNair, Gran Prix Con=
cours. So, he has given a presentation to our club a couple times. At the la=
st one, someone asked about ceramic coatings. I don=E2=80=99t recall now but=
 the answer was close to =E2=80=9Cdon=E2=80=99t bother=E2=80=9D. At the time=
 ceramic products were very expensive and tedious or difficult to use. My cy=
nical side thinks that the current products are jumping on the marketing ban=
d wagon. &nbsp;Google him and you=E2=80=99ll find some Hagerty sponsored vid=
eos and other articles.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">Allen, TR4</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div id=3D"y=
dp7ce0fb16yahoo_quoted_9786259435" class=3D"ydp7ce0fb16yahoo_quoted">
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                <div><div id=3D"ydp7ce0fb16yiv2530683353"><div><p id=3D"ydp7=
ce0fb16yiv2530683353reply-intro">On 2021-04-26 10:26, Ron L'Herault wrote:</=
p>
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olid;margin:0;">
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<p class=3D"ydp7ce0fb16yiv2530683353v1MsoNormal">My =E2=80=9973 TR-6 is most=
ly original paint with a few areas of repaint for damage repair, &nbsp;some o=
f which date to before I acquired the car in 1979.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It has s=
een a lot of polishing over the years to the extent that some upper narrow r=
adius edges are starting to show primer.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m seeing lots of ne=
w ceramic this and diamond that =E2=80=9Cwaxes=E2=80=9D&nbsp; talked about a=
nd have been wondering if they are effective and/or desirable to use on vint=
age paint.&nbsp; So, who is using what to keep their cars shiny?&nbsp; What d=
o you wash with first?&nbsp; Using traditional waxes or new stuff?&nbsp;&nbs=
p; Problems?&nbsp; Holding up to rain is not an issue for me.&nbsp; I try no=
t to take the car out in wet weather.</p>
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 22:14:35 +0000 (UTC)

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    On Tuesday, April 27, 2021, 12:19:12 PM PDT, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate=
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 I think the joke is that auto wax (and motor oil) are akin to religion and=
 politics for the purpose of civil discourse.=C2=A0 Some people are adamant=
 about their choices.
On Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 11:24 Frank Fisher <[email-masked]> wrote:

:-O

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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">laughing</div><div dir=3D"lt=
r" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div><br></div>
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                    On Tuesday, April 27, 2021, 12:19:12 PM PDT, Jeff Scarb=
rough &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div id=3D"ydp6ff14b34yiv8983387742"><div><div>I think=
 the joke is that auto wax (and motor oil) are akin to religion and politic=
s for the purpose of civil discourse.&nbsp; Some people are adamant about t=
heir choices.</div><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"ydp6ff14b34yiv898338774=
2gmail_quote"><div class=3D"ydp6ff14b34yiv8983387742yqt2591417735" id=3D"yd=
p6ff14b34yiv8983387742yqt13059"><div class=3D"ydp6ff14b34yiv8983387742gmail=
_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 11:24 Frank Fisher &lt;<a shape=3D=
"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blan=
k">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"ydp6ff14b34yiv8983387742gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style=3D"font-family:H=
elvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div></div>
        <div>??????</div><div dir=3D"ltr">who was discussing politics or re=
ligion?</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
 clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div><br cl=
ear=3D"none"></div>
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                    On Monday, April 26, 2021, 04:28:14 PM PDT,  &lt;<a sha=
pe=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"=
_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
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<p>"Don't discuss politics or religion in polite company"</p>
<p>:-O</p>
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<p id=3D"ydp6ff14b34yiv8983387742m_8034437781575897834ydp7ce0fb16yiv2530683=
353reply-intro">On 2021-04-26 10:26, Ron L'Herault wrote:</p>
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solid;margin:0;">
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<p>My =E2=80=9973 TR-6 is mostly original paint with a few areas of repaint=
 for damage repair, &nbsp;some of which date to before I acquired the car i=
n 1979.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It has seen a lot of polishing over the years to =
the extent that some upper narrow radius edges are starting to show primer.=
&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m seeing lots of new ceramic this and diamond that =E2=80=
=9Cwaxes=E2=80=9D&nbsp; talked about and have been wondering if they are ef=
fective and/or desirable to use on vintage paint.&nbsp; So, who is using wh=
at to keep their cars shiny?&nbsp; What do you wash with first?&nbsp; Using=
 traditional waxes or new stuff?&nbsp;&nbsp; Problems?&nbsp; Holding up to =
rain is not an issue for me.&nbsp; I try not to take the car out in wet wea=
ther.</p>
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