Subject: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in USA?

From: Don Hiscock <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 11:27:59 -0600

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Friends in NL have reported that a superbly-restored TR5, the original LHD
car from the 1967 Earls Court Motor Show premiere, has been sold to the USA
and is now in the midwest.

Anybody know the car?  It's said to be a pretty special TR, and I'd
probably agree.  My first car in life was a TR250, unrestorable given my
budget, skills, and marque support at the time.  But today -- I wish I
still had it!

Here=E2=80=99s the sales ad:
https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=3Dtriumph-tr5

Note the comments about the car's original Swiss-specifications and the
stuff around engines.  Jonmac, this makes us smile to think about your
efforts in this area back in the day.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">Friends in NL have reported that a superbly-restored TR5, the origin=
al LHD car from the 1967 Earls Court Motor Show premiere, has been sold to =
the USA and is now in the midwest.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_att=
r"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_attr">Anybody know the car?=C2=A0 It&#39;s=
 said to be a pretty special TR, and I&#39;d probably agree.=C2=A0 My first=
 car in life was a TR250, unrestorable given my budget, skills, and marque =
support at the time.=C2=A0 But today -- I wish I still had it!</div><br>Her=
e=E2=80=99s the sales ad:<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=3Dtriumph-tr5" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=3Dtri=
umph-tr5</a><br>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Note =
the comments about the car&#39;s original Swiss-specifications and the stuf=
f around engines.=C2=A0 Jonmac, this makes us smile to think about your eff=
orts in this area back in the day.</div></div>

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From: John Linney <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 10:21:29 -0800

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Lovely car. Did they raise the ride height from the TR4 / 4A? It looks a =
little high.

> On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Don Hiscock <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Friends in NL have reported that a superbly-restored TR5, the original =
LHD car from the 1967 Earls Court Motor Show premiere, has been sold to =
the USA and is now in the midwest.
>=20
> Anybody know the car?  It's said to be a pretty special TR, and I'd =
probably agree.  My first car in life was a TR250, unrestorable given my =
budget, skills, and marque support at the time.  But today -- I wish I =
still had it!
>=20
> https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=3Dtriumph-tr5 =
<https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=3Dtriumph-tr5>
>=20
> Note the comments about the car's original Swiss-specifications and =
the stuff around engines.  Jonmac, this makes us smile to think about =
your efforts in this area back in the day.
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Lovely car. Did they raise the ride height from the TR4 / 4A? =
It looks a little high.<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Don =
Hiscock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">Friends in NL have reported that a =
superbly-restored TR5, the original LHD car from the 1967 Earls Court =
Motor Show premiere, has been sold to the USA and is now in the =
midwest.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_attr">Anybody know the car?&nbsp; =
It's said to be a pretty special TR, and I'd probably agree.&nbsp; My =
first car in life was a TR250, unrestorable given my budget, skills, and =
marque support at the time.&nbsp; But today -- I wish I still had =
it!</div><br class=3D"">Here=E2=80=99s the sales ad:<br class=3D"">
<a href=3D"https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=3Dtriumph-tr5" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=3Dtriumph-tr5</a><br =
class=3D"">
</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">Note the comments about the car's original =
Swiss-specifications and the stuff around engines.&nbsp; Jonmac, this =
makes us smile to think about your efforts in this area back in the =
day.</div></div>
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From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 19:05:18 +0000

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I remember that car well. I wanted one then, I=E2=80=99d be very pleased to h=
ave one now.=20
There=E2=80=99s a fault in the write up.=20
Someone has written the fuel pump was mounted in the engine bay. Wrong. Fuel=
 pump, primary fuel filter and pressure relief valve were mounted in the boo=
t. The fuel metering unit was in the engine bay and driven off the back of t=
he distributor and perhaps someone has mistaken the FMU for the old style di=
esel injection pumps commonly found on older normally aspirated diesels.

Jonmac

Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intenti=
ons.

> On 8 Mar 2021, at 18:21, John Linney <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Lovely car. Did they raise the ride height from the TR4 / 4A? It looks a l=
ittle high.
>> Friends in NL have reported that a superbly-restored TR5, the original LH=
D car from the 1967 Earls Court Motor Show premiere, has been sold to the US=
A and is now in the midwest.
>>=20
>> Anybody know the car?  It's said to be a pretty special TR, and I'd proba=
bly agree.  My first car in life was a TR250, unrestorable given my budget, s=
kills, and marque support at the time.  But today -- I wish I still had it!
>> Note the comments about the car's original Swiss-specifications and the s=
tuff around engines.  Jonmac, this makes us smile to think about your effort=
s in this area back in the day.
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs  http://www.team.net/arch=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I remember that car well. I wanted one then=
, I=E2=80=99d be very pleased to have one now.&nbsp;<div>There=E2=80=99s a f=
ault in the write up.&nbsp;</div><div>Someone has written the fuel pump was m=
ounted in the engine bay. Wrong. Fuel pump, primary fuel filter and pressure=
 relief valve were mounted in the boot. The fuel metering unit was in the en=
gine bay and driven off the back of the distributor and perhaps someone has m=
istaken the FMU for the old style diesel injection pumps commonly found on o=
lder normally aspirated diesels.</div><div><br></div><div>Jonmac<br><br><div=
 id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who=
 entered Parliament with honest intentions.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 8 M=
ar 2021, at 18:21, John Linney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">joh=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8">Lovely car. Did they raise the ride height from the TR4 / 4A? It look=
s a little high.<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
 class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Don Hiscock &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_attr">Friends in NL have reported that a superbly-restored TR5, the ori=
ginal LHD car from the 1967 Earls Court Motor Show premiere, has been sold t=
o the USA and is now in the midwest.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_at=
tr"><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_attr">Anybody know the car?&nbs=
p; It's said to be a pretty special TR, and I'd probably agree.&nbsp; My fir=
st car in life was a TR250, unrestorable given my budget, skills, and marque=
 support at the time.&nbsp; But today -- I wish I still had it!</div><br cla=
ss=3D"">Here=E2=80=99s the sales ad:<br class=3D"">
<a href=3D"https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=3Dtriumph-tr5" rel=3D"no=
referrer" target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfo=
lio=3Dtriumph-tr5</a><br class=3D"">
</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote">Note the comments about the car's original Swiss-specifications and the=
 stuff around engines.&nbsp; Jonmac, this makes us smile to think about your=
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From: Greg Lemon <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 13:07:13 -0600

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I don't believe the suspension was raised.  Might appear taller as TR5
tires were skinnier 165, vs. 250 on wider 185/70, or just new springs
riding a little high.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021, 12:29 PM John Linney <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Lovely car. Did they raise the ride height from the TR4 / 4A? It looks a
> little high.
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">I don&#39;t believe the suspension was raised.=C2=A0 Migh=
t appear taller as TR5 tires were skinnier 165, vs. 250 on wider 185/70, or=
 just new springs riding a little high.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">Greg Lemon</div><div dir=3D"auto">TR250</div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 8, 2021,=
 12:29 PM John Linney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">john@linney=
web.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=
=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Lovely car. Did they=
 raise the ride height from the TR4 / 4A? It looks a little high.<br><div><=
br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Don Hiscock &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"norefe=
rrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Friends in =
NL have reported that a superbly-restored TR5, the original LHD car from th=
e 1967 Earls Court Motor Show premiere, has been sold to the USA and is now=
 in the midwest.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"><br></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_attr">Anybody know the car?=C2=A0 It&#39;s said to be a pret=
ty special TR, and I&#39;d probably agree.=C2=A0 My first car in life was a=
 TR250, unrestorable given my budget, skills, and marque support at the tim=
e.=C2=A0 But today -- I wish I still had it!</div><br>Here=E2=80=99s the sa=
les ad:<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=3Dtriumph-tr5" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?port=
folio=3Dtriumph-tr5</a><br>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Note =
the comments about the car&#39;s original Swiss-specifications and the stuf=
f around engines.=C2=A0 Jonmac, this makes us smile to think about your eff=
orts in this area back in the day.</div></div>
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From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
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What many people fail to realise is that motor show cars are very different i=
n many ways to the normal production version. For a start, the paint finish r=
eceived detailed attention and were often resprayed several times to give th=
e paint a =E2=80=98deeper=E2=80=99 appearance. Engine blocks were a shiny bl=
ack, as were hoses. Body and door shut lines underwent considerable work and=
 door shuts themselves were silky smooth in operation and quiet to operate. T=
his was always difficult to achieve on the Herald, GT6 and Spitfire as closi=
ng most doors on those models mostly sounded like putting the lid on an empt=
y trash can. Every night after show closure, the carpets, seats and door car=
ds in all cars were exchanged for new ones and any faults or problems report=
ed to the Stand Manager during the day were rectified. Knobs, switches, lens=
es that had been stolen or damaged through clumsy removal were also replaced=
. Leaking or non functional hydraulics were replaced as well and there=E2=80=
=99s a moral here. NEVER buy a car that has done a stint as a display vehicl=
e at a ten day motor show. It will have gone through hell in that time and E=
ngineering always studied reports of how the cars had held up during the sho=
w. Theft, attempted or actual was by no means unknown and one day a man wear=
ing a pair of white overalls was actually caught trying to remove a Herald d=
ifferential!!! It happened on a Saturday when you could hardly move on the s=
tand because of the crowds. Car =E2=80=98ride heights=E2=80=99 were often ra=
ised a little to allow for the daily punishment of people of various weights=
 collapsing into cars on a crowded stand. This did little to give seats a ge=
ntle life! Mostly, this was achieved by temporarily fitting all cars with he=
avy duty tropical suspension for the show duration. Doing this meant there w=
as nothing like the amount of =E2=80=9Cgive=E2=80=9D found in a car that was=
 conventionally sprung.

Was the motor show experience enjoyable? If you like standing on your feet f=
rom 09.00 to 22.00 without somewhere to sit down, for ten days solid in an u=
nhealthy atmosphere that gave everyone flu and talking to people who mostly b=
ored you witless and were often less than polite, eating the same outside ca=
tered lunch and no chance of a quick beer, I suppose it might have been. The=
 truth was, it wasn=E2=80=99t. We all had to wear dark, tailored three piece=
 suits (bought at our cost), starched cotton shirts with turned back cuffs a=
nd a detachable stiff shirt collar and sober tie. Shoes had to be polished l=
ike a guardsmans boots, clean finger nails, immaculately clean and parted ha=
ir and heaven help you after a day attired like that if the Stand Manager de=
tected even a tiny whiff of halitosis or sweat. Yes, I will admit we, Standa=
rd Triumph=E2=80=99s public face, looked good and perhaps we had a little vi=
rtuous pride in ourselves - but to this day, I=E2=80=99ve yet to meet any ca=
r company employee or salesman who knew as much about his/her product AND th=
e same level of detail of every other make and model of car that competed wi=
th us. To this day and well over fifty years later, I=E2=80=99m still amazed=
 how much I can still recall.

Jonmac

> On 8 Mar 2021, at 19:07, Greg Lemon <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> I don't believe the suspension was raised.  Might appear taller as TR5 tir=
es were skinnier 165, vs. 250 on wider 185/70, or just new springs riding a l=
ittle high.
ittle high.
>>> Friends in NL have reported that a superbly-restored TR5, the original L=
HD car from the 1967 Earls Court Motor Show premiere, has been sold to the U=
SA and is now in the midwest.
>>>=20
>>> Anybody know the car?  It's said to be a pretty special TR, and I'd prob=
ably agree.  My first car in life was a TR250, unrestorable given my budget,=
 skills, and marque support at the time.  But today -- I wish I still had it=
!
>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs  http://www.team.net/arc=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">What many people fail to realise is that mo=
tor show cars are very different in many ways to the normal production versi=
on. For a start, the paint finish received detailed attention and were often=
 resprayed several times to give the paint a =E2=80=98deeper=E2=80=99 appear=
ance. Engine blocks were a shiny black, as were hoses. Body and door shut li=
nes underwent considerable work and door shuts themselves were silky smooth i=
n operation and quiet to operate. This was always difficult to achieve on th=
e Herald, GT6 and Spitfire as closing most doors on those models mostly soun=
ded like putting the lid on an empty trash can. Every night after show closu=
re, the carpets, seats and door cards in all cars were exchanged for new one=
s and any faults or problems reported to the Stand Manager during the day we=
re rectified. Knobs, switches, lenses that had been stolen or damaged throug=
h clumsy removal were also replaced. Leaking or non functional hydraulics we=
re replaced as well and there=E2=80=99s a moral here. NEVER buy a car that h=
as done a stint as a display vehicle at a ten day motor show. It will have g=
one through hell in that time and Engineering always studied reports of how t=
he cars had held up during the show. Theft, attempted or actual was by no me=
ans unknown and one day a man wearing a pair of white overalls was actually c=
aught trying to remove a Herald differential!!! It happened on a Saturday wh=
en you could hardly move on the stand because of the crowds. Car =E2=80=98ri=
de heights=E2=80=99 were often raised a little to allow for the daily punish=
ment of people of various weights collapsing into cars on a crowded stand. T=
his did little to give seats a gentle life! Mostly, this was achieved by tem=
porarily fitting all cars with heavy duty tropical suspension for the show d=
uration. Doing this meant there was nothing like the amount of =E2=80=9Cgive=
=E2=80=9D found in a car that was conventionally sprung.<div><br></div><div>=
Was the motor show experience enjoyable? If you like standing on your feet f=
rom 09.00 to 22.00 without somewhere to sit down, for ten days solid in an u=
nhealthy atmosphere that gave everyone flu and talking to people who mostly b=
ored you witless and were often less than polite, eating the same outside ca=
tered lunch and no chance of a quick beer, I suppose it might have been. The=
 truth was, it wasn=E2=80=99t. We all had to wear dark, tailored three piece=
 suits (bought at our cost), starched cotton shirts with turned back cuffs a=
nd a detachable stiff shirt collar and sober tie. Shoes had to be polished l=
ike a guardsmans boots, clean finger nails, immaculately clean and parted ha=
ir and heaven help you after a day attired like that if the Stand Manager de=
tected even a tiny whiff of halitosis or sweat. Yes, I will admit we, Standa=
rd Triumph=E2=80=99s public face, looked good and perhaps we had a little vi=
rtuous pride in ourselves - but to this day, I=E2=80=99ve yet to meet any ca=
r company employee or salesman who knew as much about his/her product AND th=
e same level of detail of every other make and model of car that competed wi=
th us. To this day and well over fifty years later, I=E2=80=99m still amazed=
 how much I can still recall.</div><div><br></div><div>Jonmac<br><br><div id=
=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who en=
tered Parliament with honest intentions.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 8 Mar 2=
021, at 19:07, Greg Lemon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">grglmn@gma=
il.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><div dir=3D"auto">I don't believe the suspension was raised.&nbsp; Might a=
ppear taller as TR5 tires were skinnier 165, vs. 250 on wider 185/70, or jus=
t new springs riding a little high.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"a=
uto">Greg Lemon</div><div dir=3D"auto">TR250</div></div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 8, 2021, 12:29 P=
M John Linney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap=
:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Lovely car. Did they raise the rid=
e height from the TR4 / 4A? It looks a little high.<br><div><br><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><div>On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Don Hiscock &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">don.hiscock@=
gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Friends in NL have reported tha=
t a superbly-restored TR5, the original LHD car from the 1967 Earls Court Mo=
tor Show premiere, has been sold to the USA and is now in the midwest.</div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_attr">An=
ybody know the car?&nbsp; It's said to be a pretty special TR, and I'd proba=
bly agree.&nbsp; My first car in life was a TR250, unrestorable given my bud=
get, skills, and marque support at the time.&nbsp; But today -- I wish I sti=
ll had it!</div><br>Here=E2=80=99s the sales ad:<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=3Dtriumph-tr5" rel=3D"no=
referrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfo=
lio=3Dtriumph-tr5</a><br>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Note t=
he comments about the car's original Swiss-specifications and the stuff arou=
nd engines.&nbsp; Jonmac, this makes us smile to think about your efforts in=
 this area back in the day.</div></div>
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I=E2=80=99ve just had a look at the Heritage Certificate for the above car. =
=46rom the info on the certificate, it=E2=80=99s clear it was built for a na=
med customer in Denmark and supplied under Standard Triumphs Personal Export=
 Scheme which I worked within for several years. Cars built for display at a=
ny international motor show were identified very clearly on the build record=
 and sales invoice as =E2=80=98motor show car=E2=80=99 and this would have b=
een picked up by BMIHT staff when interrogating the microfilmed records. It=E2=
=80=99s also worth mentioning the company would never have used a customer c=
ar for exhibition display at any show such as those which were as prestigiou=
s as London, Paris, Frankfurt, Geneva or New York. A show car? Not in my boo=
k, though the person whose name appears on the BMIHT document might have bee=
n in England FOR the show but his car on the main or Liverpool stands AT the=
 show? No way - unless someone can come up with documentation to prove me wr=
ong. I wouldn=E2=80=99t touch it with that claimed or alleged history but no=
 doubt someone with more money than sense will swallow the bait and pay way o=
ver the odds for a TR5 that could well be a clone. Too often in life, things=
 are not always what they seem and in my view this car fits that category.

Jonmac=20

> On 8 Mar 2021, at 22:06, John Macartney <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
>=20
> What many people fail to realise is that motor show cars are very differen=
t in many ways to the normal production version. For a start, the paint fini=
sh received detailed attention and were often resprayed several times to giv=
e the paint a =E2=80=98deeper=E2=80=99 appearance. Engine blocks were a shin=
y black, as were hoses. Body and door shut lines underwent considerable work=
 and door shuts themselves were silky smooth in operation and quiet to opera=
te. This was always difficult to achieve on the Herald, GT6 and Spitfire as c=
losing most doors on those models mostly sounded like putting the lid on an e=
mpty trash can. Every night after show closure, the carpets, seats and door c=
ards in all cars were exchanged for new ones and any faults or problems repo=
rted to the Stand Manager during the day were rectified. Knobs, switches, le=
nses that had been stolen or damaged through clumsy removal were also replac=
ed. Leaking or non functional hydraulics were replaced as well and there=E2=80=
=99s a moral here. NEVER buy a car that has done a stint as a display vehicl=
e at a ten day motor show. It will have gone through hell in that time and E=
ngineering always studied reports of how the cars had held up during the sho=
w. Theft, attempted or actual was by no means unknown and one day a man wear=
ing a pair of white overalls was actually caught trying to remove a Herald d=
ifferential!!! It happened on a Saturday when you could hardly move on the s=
tand because of the crowds. Car =E2=80=98ride heights=E2=80=99 were often ra=
ised a little to allow for the daily punishment of people of various weights=
 collapsing into cars on a crowded stand. This did little to give seats a ge=
ntle life! Mostly, this was achieved by temporarily fitting all cars with he=
avy duty tropical suspension for the show duration. Doing this meant there w=
as nothing like the amount of =E2=80=9Cgive=E2=80=9D found in a car that was=
 conventionally sprung.
>=20
> Was the motor show experience enjoyable? If you like standing on your feet=
 from 09.00 to 22.00 without somewhere to sit down, for ten days solid in an=
 unhealthy atmosphere that gave everyone flu and talking to people who mostl=
y bored you witless and were often less than polite, eating the same outside=
 catered lunch and no chance of a quick beer, I suppose it might have been. T=
he truth was, it wasn=E2=80=99t. We all had to wear dark, tailored three pie=
ce suits (bought at our cost), starched cotton shirts with turned back cuffs=
 and a detachable stiff shirt collar and sober tie. Shoes had to be polished=
 like a guardsmans boots, clean finger nails, immaculately clean and parted h=
air and heaven help you after a day attired like that if the Stand Manager d=
etected even a tiny whiff of halitosis or sweat. Yes, I will admit we, Stand=
ard Triumph=E2=80=99s public face, looked good and perhaps we had a little v=
irtuous pride in ourselves - but to this day, I=E2=80=99ve yet to meet any c=
ar company employee or salesman who knew as much about his/her product AND t=
he same level of detail of every other make and model of car that competed w=
ith us. To this day and well over fifty years later, I=E2=80=99m still amaze=
d how much I can still recall.
>=20
> Jonmac
>=20
> Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest inten=
tions.
>> I don't believe the suspension was raised.  Might appear taller as TR5 ti=
res were skinnier 165, vs. 250 on wider 185/70, or just new springs riding a=
 little high.
>>> Lovely car. Did they raise the ride height from the TR4 / 4A? It looks a=
 little high.
>>>>=20
>>>> Anybody know the car?  It's said to be a pretty special TR, and I'd pro=
bably agree.  My first car in life was a TR250, unrestorable given my budget=
, skills, and marque support at the time.  But today -- I wish I still had i=
t!
>>>> Note the comments about the car's original Swiss-specifications and the=
 stuff around engines.  Jonmac, this makes us smile to think about your effo=
rts in this area back in the day.
>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs  http://www.team.net/ar=
chive
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I=E2=80=99ve just had a look at the Heritag=
e Certificate for the above car. =46rom the info on the certificate, it=E2=80=
=99s clear it was built for a named customer in Denmark and supplied under S=
tandard Triumphs Personal Export Scheme which I worked within for several ye=
ars. Cars built for display at any international motor show were identified v=
ery clearly on the build record and sales invoice as =E2=80=98motor show car=
=E2=80=99 and this would have been picked up by BMIHT staff when interrogati=
ng the microfilmed records. It=E2=80=99s also worth mentioning the company w=
ould never have used a customer car for exhibition display at any show such a=
s those which were as prestigious as London, Paris, Frankfurt, Geneva or New=
 York. A show car? Not in my book, though the person whose name appears on t=
he BMIHT document might have been in England FOR the show but his car on the=
 main or Liverpool stands AT the show? No way - unless someone can come up w=
ith documentation to prove me wrong. I wouldn=E2=80=99t touch it with that c=
laimed or alleged history but no doubt someone with more money than sense wi=
ll swallow the bait and pay way over the odds for a TR5 that could well be a=
 clone. Too often in life, things are not always what they seem and in my vi=
ew this car fits that category.<div><br></div><div>Jonmac&nbsp;<div><br></di=
v><div><br></div><div><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Vote fo=
r Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.</d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 8 Mar 2021, at 22:06, John Macartney &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><meta http-equ=
iv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">What many people f=
ail to realise is that motor show cars are very different in many ways to th=
e normal production version. For a start, the paint finish received detailed=
 attention and were often resprayed several times to give the paint a =E2=80=
=98deeper=E2=80=99 appearance. Engine blocks were a shiny black, as were hos=
es. Body and door shut lines underwent considerable work and door shuts them=
selves were silky smooth in operation and quiet to operate. This was always d=
ifficult to achieve on the Herald, GT6 and Spitfire as closing most doors on=
 those models mostly sounded like putting the lid on an empty trash can. Eve=
ry night after show closure, the carpets, seats and door cards in all cars w=
ere exchanged for new ones and any faults or problems reported to the Stand M=
anager during the day were rectified. Knobs, switches, lenses that had been s=
tolen or damaged through clumsy removal were also replaced. Leaking or non f=
unctional hydraulics were replaced as well and there=E2=80=99s a moral here.=
 NEVER buy a car that has done a stint as a display vehicle at a ten day mot=
or show. It will have gone through hell in that time and Engineering always s=
tudied reports of how the cars had held up during the show. Theft, attempted=
 or actual was by no means unknown and one day a man wearing a pair of white=
 overalls was actually caught trying to remove a Herald differential!!! It h=
appened on a Saturday when you could hardly move on the stand because of the=
 crowds. Car =E2=80=98ride heights=E2=80=99 were often raised a little to al=
low for the daily punishment of people of various weights collapsing into ca=
rs on a crowded stand. This did little to give seats a gentle life! Mostly, t=
his was achieved by temporarily fitting all cars with heavy duty tropical su=
spension for the show duration. Doing this meant there was nothing like the a=
mount of =E2=80=9Cgive=E2=80=9D found in a car that was conventionally sprun=
g.<div><br></div><div>Was the motor show experience enjoyable? If you like s=
tanding on your feet from 09.00 to 22.00 without somewhere to sit down, for t=
en days solid in an unhealthy atmosphere that gave everyone flu and talking t=
o people who mostly bored you witless and were often less than polite, eatin=
g the same outside catered lunch and no chance of a quick beer, I suppose it=
 might have been. The truth was, it wasn=E2=80=99t. We all had to wear dark,=
 tailored three piece suits (bought at our cost), starched cotton shirts wit=
h turned back cuffs and a detachable stiff shirt collar and sober tie. Shoes=
 had to be polished like a guardsmans boots, clean finger nails, immaculatel=
y clean and parted hair and heaven help you after a day attired like that if=
 the Stand Manager detected even a tiny whiff of halitosis or sweat. Yes, I w=
ill admit we, Standard Triumph=E2=80=99s public face, looked good and perhap=
s we had a little virtuous pride in ourselves - but to this day, I=E2=80=99v=
e yet to meet any car company employee or salesman who knew as much about hi=
s/her product AND the same level of detail of every other make and model of c=
ar that competed with us. To this day and well over fifty years later, I=E2=80=
=99m still amazed how much I can still recall.</div><div><br></div><div>Jonm=
ac<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Vote for Guy Fawkes! Th=
e only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.</div><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><br>On 8 Mar 2021, at 19:07, Greg Lemon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:grglmn@gma=
il.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"auto">I don't believe the suspension was rai=
sed.&nbsp; Might appear taller as TR5 tires were skinnier 165, vs. 250 on wi=
der 185/70, or just new springs riding a little high.<div dir=3D"auto"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto">Greg Lemon</div><div dir=3D"auto">TR250</div></div><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, M=
ar 8, 2021, 12:29 PM John Linney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">j=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div s=
tyle=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Lovely car. Did t=
hey raise the ride height from the TR4 / 4A? It looks a little high.<br><div=
><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Don Hiscock &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"norefer=
rer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Friends in NL h=
ave reported that a superbly-restored TR5, the original LHD car from the 196=
7 Earls Court Motor Show premiere, has been sold to the USA and is now in th=
e midwest.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"><br></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_attr">Anybody know the car?&nbsp; It's said to be a pretty special TR=
, and I'd probably agree.&nbsp; My first car in life was a TR250, unrestorab=
le given my budget, skills, and marque support at the time.&nbsp; But today -=
- I wish I still had it!</div><br>Here=E2=80=99s the sales ad:<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=3Dtriumph-tr5" rel=3D"no=
referrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfo=
lio=3Dtriumph-tr5</a><br>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Note t=
he comments about the car's original Swiss-specifications and the stuff arou=
nd engines.&nbsp; Jonmac, this makes us smile to think about your efforts in=
 this area back in the day.</div></div>
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 17:44:57 +0000 (UTC)

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I have little to no faith in Heritgage Certs.... had an aquiantance recieve=
 a cert with invalid info.
As a test he submitted a flat out bogus number an they gave him a cert for =
it!rubbish.Now perhaps they had/have vaild records at one time, or for a pa=
rticular series of vehicles...but twice now on two different lineages of ca=
rs, the info printed on the cert was just crap thrown on paper for the $$
ptegler

-----Original Message-----
From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
To: Greg Lemon <[email-masked]>
Cc: Triumphs <[email-masked]>
Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2021 1:33 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in USA?

I=E2=80=99ve just had a look at the Heritage Certificate for the above car.=
 From the info on the certificate, it=E2=80=99s clear it was built for a na=
med customer in Denmark and supplied under Standard Triumphs Personal Expor=
t Scheme which I worked within for several years. Cars built for display at=
 any international motor show were identified very clearly on the build rec=
ord and sales invoice as =E2=80=98motor show car=E2=80=99 and this would ha=
ve been picked up by BMIHT staff when interrogating the microfilmed records=
. It=E2=80=99s also worth mentioning the company would never have used a cu=
stomer car for exhibition display at any show such as those which were as p=
restigious as London, Paris, Frankfurt, Geneva or New York. A show car? Not=
 in my book, though the person whose name appears on the BMIHT document mig=
ht have been in England FOR the show but his car on the main or Liverpool s=
tands AT the show? No way - unless someone can come up with documentation t=
o prove me wrong. I wouldn=E2=80=99t touch it with that claimed or alleged =
history but no doubt someone with more money than sense will swallow the ba=
it and pay way over the odds for a TR5 that could well be a clone. Too ofte=
n in life, things are not always what they seem and in my view this car fit=
s that category.
Jonmac=C2=A0

Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intent=
ions.
On 8 Mar 2021, at 22:06, John Macartney <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:

What many people fail to realise is that motor show cars are very different=
 in many ways to the normal production version. For a start, the paint fini=
sh received detailed attention and were often resprayed several times to gi=
ve the paint a =E2=80=98deeper=E2=80=99 appearance. Engine blocks were a sh=
iny black, as were hoses. Body and door shut lines underwent considerable w=
ork and door shuts themselves were silky smooth in operation and quiet to o=
perate. This was always difficult to achieve on the Herald, GT6 and Spitfir=
e as closing most doors on those models mostly sounded like putting the lid=
 on an empty trash can. Every night after show closure, the carpets, seats =
and door cards in all cars were exchanged for new ones and any faults or pr=
oblems reported to the Stand Manager during the day were rectified. Knobs, =
switches, lenses that had been stolen or damaged through clumsy removal wer=
e also replaced. Leaking or non functional hydraulics were replaced as well=
 and there=E2=80=99s a moral here. NEVER buy a car that has done a stint as=
 a display vehicle at a ten day motor show. It will have gone through hell =
in that time and Engineering always studied reports of how the cars had hel=
d up during the show. Theft, attempted or actual was by no means unknown an=
d one day a man wearing a pair of white overalls was actually caught trying=
 to remove a Herald differential!!! It happened on a Saturday when you coul=
d hardly move on the stand because of the crowds. Car =E2=80=98ride heights=
=E2=80=99 were often raised a little to allow for the daily punishment of p=
eople of various weights collapsing into cars on a crowded stand. This did =
little to give seats a gentle life! Mostly, this was achieved by temporaril=
y fitting all cars with heavy duty tropical suspension for the show duratio=
n. Doing this meant there was nothing like the amount of =E2=80=9Cgive=E2=
=80=9D found in a car that was conventionally sprung.
Was the motor show experience enjoyable? If you like standing on your feet =
from 09.00 to 22.00 without somewhere to sit down, for ten days solid in an=
 unhealthy atmosphere that gave everyone flu and talking to people who most=
ly bored you witless and were often less than polite, eating the same outsi=
de catered lunch and no chance of a quick beer, I suppose it might have bee=
n. The truth was, it wasn=E2=80=99t. We all had to wear dark, tailored thre=
e piece suits (bought at our cost), starched cotton shirts with turned back=
 cuffs and a detachable stiff shirt collar and sober tie. Shoes had to be p=
olished like a guardsmans boots, clean finger nails, immaculately clean and=
 parted hair and heaven help you after a day attired like that if the Stand=
 Manager detected even a tiny whiff of halitosis or sweat. Yes, I will admi=
t we, Standard Triumph=E2=80=99s public face, looked good and perhaps we ha=
d a little virtuous pride in ourselves - but to this day, I=E2=80=99ve yet =
to meet any car company employee or salesman who knew as much about his/her=
 product AND the same level of detail of every other make and model of car =
that competed with us. To this day and well over fifty years later, I=E2=80=
=99m still amazed how much I can still recall.
Jonmac

Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intent=
ions.
On 8 Mar 2021, at 19:07, Greg Lemon <[email-masked]> wrote:

I don't believe the suspension was raised.=C2=A0 Might appear taller as TR5=
 tires were skinnier 165, vs. 250 on wider 185/70, or just new springs ridi=
ng a little high.
Greg LemonTR250
On Mon, Mar 8, 2021, 12:29 PM John Linney <[email-masked]> wrote:

Lovely car. Did they raise the ride height from the TR4 / 4A? It looks a li=
ttle high.

On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Don Hiscock <[email-masked]> wrote:
Friends in NL have reported that a superbly-restored TR5, the original LHD =
car from the 1967 Earls Court Motor Show premiere, has been sold to the USA=
 and is now in the midwest.
Anybody know the car?=C2=A0 It's said to be a pretty special TR, and I'd pr=
obably agree.=C2=A0 My first car in life was a TR250, unrestorable given my=
 budget, skills, and marque support at the time.=C2=A0 But today -- I wish =
I still had it!
Here=E2=80=99s the sales ad:
https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=3Dtriumph-tr5

Note the comments about the car's original Swiss-specifications and the stu=
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<div style=3D"color:black;font: 10pt arial;">I have little to no faith in H=
eritgage Certs.... had an aquiantance recieve a cert with invalid info.<br>
As a test he submitted a flat out bogus number an they gave him a cert for =
it!
<div>rubbish.</div>

<div>Now perhaps they had/have vaild records at one time, or for a particul=
ar series of vehicles...but twice now on two different lineages of cars, th=
e info printed on the cert was just crap thrown on paper for the $$</div>

<div><br>
</div>

<div>ptegler<br>
<br>
<br>

<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font=
 size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: John Macartney &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Greg Lemon &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: Triumphs &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2021 1:33 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in USA?<br>
<br>

<div id=3D"yiv5493107758">
<div>I=E2=80=99ve just had a look at the Heritage Certificate for the above=
 car. From the info on the certificate, it=E2=80=99s clear it was built for=
 a named customer in Denmark and supplied under Standard Triumphs Personal =
Export Scheme which I worked within for several years. Cars built for displ=
ay at any international motor show were identified very clearly on the buil=
d record and sales invoice as =E2=80=98motor show car=E2=80=99 and this wou=
ld have been picked up by BMIHT staff when interrogating the microfilmed re=
cords. It=E2=80=99s also worth mentioning the company would never have used=
 a customer car for exhibition display at any show such as those which were=
 as prestigious as London, Paris, Frankfurt, Geneva or New York. A show car=
? Not in my book, though the person whose name appears on the BMIHT documen=
t might have been in England FOR the show but his car on the main or Liverp=
ool stands AT the show? No way - unless someone can come up with documentat=
ion to prove me wrong. I wouldn=E2=80=99t touch it with that claimed or all=
eged history but no doubt someone with more money than sense will swallow t=
he bait and pay way over the odds for a TR5 that could well be a clone. Too=
 often in life, things are not always what they seem and in my view this ca=
r fits that category.
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>Jonmac&nbsp;
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div><br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5493107758AppleMailSignature">Vote for Guy Fawkes=
! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.</div>

<div class=3D"yiv5493107758yqt8139465760" id=3D"yiv5493107758yqt21841">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">On 8 Mar 2021, at 22:06, John Macartney=
 &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:John.Maca=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=
=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr"></div>
</blockquote></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv5493107758yqt8139465760" id=3D"yiv5493107758yqt36074">
<div>What many people fail to realise is that motor show cars are very diff=
erent in many ways to the normal production version. For a start, the paint=
 finish received detailed attention and were often resprayed several times =
to give the paint a =E2=80=98deeper=E2=80=99 appearance. Engine blocks were=
 a shiny black, as were hoses. Body and door shut lines underwent considera=
ble work and door shuts themselves were silky smooth in operation and quiet=
 to operate. This was always difficult to achieve on the Herald, GT6 and Sp=
itfire as closing most doors on those models mostly sounded like putting th=
e lid on an empty trash can. Every night after show closure, the carpets, s=
eats and door cards in all cars were exchanged for new ones and any faults =
or problems reported to the Stand Manager during the day were rectified. Kn=
obs, switches, lenses that had been stolen or damaged through clumsy remova=
l were also replaced. Leaking or non functional hydraulics were replaced as=
 well and there=E2=80=99s a moral here. NEVER buy a car that has done a sti=
nt as a display vehicle at a ten day motor show. It will have gone through =
hell in that time and Engineering always studied reports of how the cars ha=
d held up during the show. Theft, attempted or actual was by no means unkno=
wn and one day a man wearing a pair of white overalls was actually caught t=
rying to remove a Herald differential!!! It happened on a Saturday when you=
 could hardly move on the stand because of the crowds. Car =E2=80=98ride he=
ights=E2=80=99 were often raised a little to allow for the daily punishment=
 of people of various weights collapsing into cars on a crowded stand. This=
 did little to give seats a gentle life! Mostly, this was achieved by tempo=
rarily fitting all cars with heavy duty tropical suspension for the show du=
ration. Doing this meant there was nothing like the amount of =E2=80=9Cgive=
=E2=80=9D found in a car that was conventionally sprung.
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>Was the motor show experience enjoyable? If you like standing on your =
feet from 09.00 to 22.00 without somewhere to sit down, for ten days solid =
in an unhealthy atmosphere that gave everyone flu and talking to people who=
 mostly bored you witless and were often less than polite, eating the same =
outside catered lunch and no chance of a quick beer, I suppose it might hav=
e been. The truth was, it wasn=E2=80=99t. We all had to wear dark, tailored=
 three piece suits (bought at our cost), starched cotton shirts with turned=
 back cuffs and a detachable stiff shirt collar and sober tie. Shoes had to=
 be polished like a guardsmans boots, clean finger nails, immaculately clea=
n and parted hair and heaven help you after a day attired like that if the =
Stand Manager detected even a tiny whiff of halitosis or sweat. Yes, I will=
 admit we, Standard Triumph=E2=80=99s public face, looked good and perhaps =
we had a little virtuous pride in ourselves - but to this day, I=E2=80=99ve=
 yet to meet any car company employee or salesman who knew as much about hi=
s/her product AND the same level of detail of every other make and model of=
 car that competed with us. To this day and well over fifty years later, I=
=E2=80=99m still amazed how much I can still recall.</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>Jonmac<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5493107758AppleMailSignature">Vote for Guy Fawkes=
! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">On 8 Mar 2021, at 19:07, Greg Lemon &lt=
;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:g=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">grglmn@=
gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>I don't believe the suspension was raised.&nbsp; Might appear taller a=
s TR5 tires were skinnier 165, vs. 250 on wider 185/70, or just new springs=
 riding a little high.
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>Greg Lemon</div>

<div>TR250</div>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div class=3D"yiv5493107758gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"yiv5493107758gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Mar 8, 2021, 12:=
29 PM John Linney &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect=
" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:jo=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div=
<blockquote class=3D"yiv5493107758gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;">Lovely car. Did they raise the ride he=
ight from the TR4 / 4A? It looks a little high.<br clear=3D"none">
<div><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Don Hiscock &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopene=
r noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
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<br clear=3D"none">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"yiv5493107758gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"yiv5493107758gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">Friends in NL have repor=
ted that a superbly-restored TR5, the original LHD car from the 1967 Earls =
Court Motor Show premiere, has been sold to the USA and is now in the midwe=
st.</div>

<div class=3D"yiv5493107758gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div=

<div class=3D"yiv5493107758gmail_attr">Anybody know the car?&nbsp; It's sai=
d to be a pretty special TR, and I'd probably agree.&nbsp; My first car in =
life was a TR250, unrestorable given my budget, skills, and marque support =
at the time.&nbsp; But today -- I wish I still had it!</div>
<br clear=3D"none">Here=E2=80=99s the sales ad:<br clear=3D"none">
<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" hr=
ef=3D"https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=3Dtriumph-tr5">https://www.j=
bclassiccars.com/?portfolio=3Dtriumph-tr5</a><br clear=3D"none">
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv5493107758gmail_quote"><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5493107758gmail_quote">Note the comments about the car's o=
riginal Swiss-specifications and the stuff around engines.&nbsp; Jonmac, th=
is makes us smile to think about your efforts in this area back in the day.=
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Thank you for that vote of confidence. I was one of the people who used to r=
esearch owner provided data to issue those certificates and although I never=
 signed the buyer copy, the three of us who did that work, never authorised a=
ny certificate if there was even the slightest doubt about authenticity of o=
wner provided data, or the data could not be triangulated. However, I left B=
MIHT some twenty years ago so have no idea (or interest now) in what may hav=
e happened in later years. I still incline to the view that the early TR5 be=
ing offered for sale is either a =E2=80=9Cringer=E2=80=9D or the seller is m=
aking a claim that cannot be substantiated.

Jonmac

> On 15 Mar 2021, at 17:44, [email-masked] wrote:
>=20
> I have little to no faith in Heritgage Certs.... had an aquiantance reciev=
e a cert with invalid info.
> As a test he submitted a flat out bogus number an they gave him a cert for=
 it!
> rubbish.
> Now perhaps they had/have vaild records at one time, or for a particular s=
eries of vehicles...but twice now on two different lineages of cars, the inf=
o printed on the cert was just crap thrown on paper for the $$
> I=E2=80=99ve just had a look at the Heritage Certificate for the above car=
. =46rom the info on the certificate, it=E2=80=99s clear it was built for a n=
amed customer in Denmark and supplied under Standard Triumphs Personal Expor=
t Scheme which I worked within for several years. Cars built for display at a=
tions.
>=20
>> On 8 Mar 2021, at 22:06, John Macartney <[email-masked]> wr=
tions.
ittle high.
hive
linneyweb.com
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Thank you for that vote of confidence. I wa=
s one of the people who used to research owner provided data to issue those c=
ertificates and although I never signed the buyer copy, the three of us who d=
id that work, never authorised any certificate if there was even the slighte=
st doubt about authenticity of owner provided data, or the data could not be=
 triangulated. However, I left BMIHT some twenty years ago so have no idea (=
or interest now) in what may have happened in later years. I still incline t=
o the view that the early TR5 being offered for sale is either a =E2=80=9Cri=
nger=E2=80=9D or the seller is making a claim that cannot be substantiated.<=
div><br></div><div>Jonmac<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">=
Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intenti=
ons.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 15 Mar 2021, at 17:44, <a href=3D"mailto:p=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"color:black;font: 10pt arial;">I have little to no faith in He=
ritgage Certs.... had an aquiantance recieve a cert with invalid info.<br>
As a test he submitted a flat out bogus number an they gave him a cert for i=
t!
<div>rubbish.</div>

<div>Now perhaps they had/have vaild records at one time, or for a particula=
r series of vehicles...but twice now on two different lineages of cars, the i=
nfo printed on the cert was just crap thrown on paper for the $$</div>

<div><br>
</div>

<div>ptegler<br>
<br>
<br>

<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font s=
ize=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: John Macartney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Joh=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
To: Greg Lemon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt;<br>
Cc: Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
eam.net</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2021 1:33 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in USA?<br>
<br>

<div id=3D"yiv5493107758">
<div>I=E2=80=99ve just had a look at the Heritage Certificate for the above c=
ar. =46rom the info on the certificate, it=E2=80=99s clear it was built for a=
 named customer in Denmark and supplied under Standard Triumphs Personal Exp=
ort Scheme which I worked within for several years. Cars built for display a=
t any international motor show were identified very clearly on the build rec=
ord and sales invoice as =E2=80=98motor show car=E2=80=99 and this would hav=
e been picked up by BMIHT staff when interrogating the microfilmed records. I=
t=E2=80=99s also worth mentioning the company would never have used a custom=
er car for exhibition display at any show such as those which were as presti=
gious as London, Paris, Frankfurt, Geneva or New York. A show car? Not in my=
 book, though the person whose name appears on the BMIHT document might have=
 been in England FOR the show but his car on the main or Liverpool stands AT=
 the show? No way - unless someone can come up with documentation to prove m=
e wrong. I wouldn=E2=80=99t touch it with that claimed or alleged history bu=
t no doubt someone with more money than sense will swallow the bait and pay w=
ay over the odds for a TR5 that could well be a clone. Too often in life, th=
ings are not always what they seem and in my view this car fits that categor=
y.
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>Jonmac&nbsp;

<div><br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5493107758AppleMailSignature">Vote for Guy Fawkes!=
 The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.</div>

<div class=3D"yiv5493107758yqt8139465760" id=3D"yiv5493107758yqt21841">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">On 8 Mar 2021, at 22:06, John Macartney &=
lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:John.Macartne=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"non=
e"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr"></div>
</blockquote></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv5493107758yqt8139465760" id=3D"yiv5493107758yqt36074">
<div>What many people fail to realise is that motor show cars are very diffe=
rent in many ways to the normal production version. For a start, the paint f=
inish received detailed attention and were often resprayed several times to g=
ive the paint a =E2=80=98deeper=E2=80=99 appearance. Engine blocks were a sh=
iny black, as were hoses. Body and door shut lines underwent considerable wo=
rk and door shuts themselves were silky smooth in operation and quiet to ope=
rate. This was always difficult to achieve on the Herald, GT6 and Spitfire a=
s closing most doors on those models mostly sounded like putting the lid on a=
n empty trash can. Every night after show closure, the carpets, seats and do=
or cards in all cars were exchanged for new ones and any faults or problems r=
eported to the Stand Manager during the day were rectified. Knobs, switches,=
 lenses that had been stolen or damaged through clumsy removal were also rep=
laced. Leaking or non functional hydraulics were replaced as well and there=E2=
=80=99s a moral here. NEVER buy a car that has done a stint as a display veh=
icle at a ten day motor show. It will have gone through hell in that time an=
d Engineering always studied reports of how the cars had held up during the s=
how. Theft, attempted or actual was by no means unknown and one day a man we=
aring a pair of white overalls was actually caught trying to remove a Herald=
 differential!!! It happened on a Saturday when you could hardly move on the=
 stand because of the crowds. Car =E2=80=98ride heights=E2=80=99 were often r=
aised a little to allow for the daily punishment of people of various weight=
s collapsing into cars on a crowded stand. This did little to give seats a g=
entle life! Mostly, this was achieved by temporarily fitting all cars with h=
eavy duty tropical suspension for the show duration. Doing this meant there w=
as nothing like the amount of =E2=80=9Cgive=E2=80=9D found in a car that was=
 conventionally sprung.
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>Was the motor show experience enjoyable? If you like standing on your f=
eet from 09.00 to 22.00 without somewhere to sit down, for ten days solid in=
 an unhealthy atmosphere that gave everyone flu and talking to people who mo=
stly bored you witless and were often less than polite, eating the same outs=
ide catered lunch and no chance of a quick beer, I suppose it might have bee=
n. The truth was, it wasn=E2=80=99t. We all had to wear dark, tailored three=
 piece suits (bought at our cost), starched cotton shirts with turned back c=
uffs and a detachable stiff shirt collar and sober tie. Shoes had to be poli=
shed like a guardsmans boots, clean finger nails, immaculately clean and par=
ted hair and heaven help you after a day attired like that if the Stand Mana=
ger detected even a tiny whiff of halitosis or sweat. Yes, I will admit we, S=
tandard Triumph=E2=80=99s public face, looked good and perhaps we had a litt=
le virtuous pride in ourselves - but to this day, I=E2=80=99ve yet to meet a=
ny car company employee or salesman who knew as much about his/her product A=
ND the same level of detail of every other make and model of car that compet=
ed with us. To this day and well over fifty years later, I=E2=80=99m still a=
mazed how much I can still recall.</div>

<div>Jonmac<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5493107758AppleMailSignature">Vote for Guy Fawkes!=
 The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">On 8 Mar 2021, at 19:07, Greg Lemon &lt;=
<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:grg=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">grglmn@gma=
il.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>I don't believe the suspension was raised.&nbsp; Might appear taller as=
 TR5 tires were skinnier 165, vs. 250 on wider 185/70, or just new springs r=
iding a little high.
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>Greg Lemon</div>

<div>TR250</div>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
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<div class=3D"yiv5493107758gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Mar 8, 2021, 12:2=
9 PM John Linney &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" y=
mailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:john@l=
inneyweb.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div>
<blockquote class=3D"yiv5493107758gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;">Lovely car. Did they raise the ride hei=
ght from the TR4 / 4A? It looks a little high.<br clear=3D"none">
<div><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Don Hiscock &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener=
 noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
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<br clear=3D"none">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"yiv5493107758gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"yiv5493107758gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">Friends in NL have report=
ed that a superbly-restored TR5, the original LHD car from the 1967 Earls Co=
urt Motor Show premiere, has been sold to the USA and is now in the midwest.=
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv5493107758gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>=

<div class=3D"yiv5493107758gmail_attr">Anybody know the car?&nbsp; It's said=
 to be a pretty special TR, and I'd probably agree.&nbsp; My first car in li=
fe was a TR250, unrestorable given my budget, skills, and marque support at t=
he time.&nbsp; But today -- I wish I still had it!</div>
<br clear=3D"none">Here=E2=80=99s the sales ad:<br clear=3D"none">
<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" hre=
f=3D"https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=3Dtriumph-tr5">https://www.jbc=
lassiccars.com/?portfolio=3Dtriumph-tr5</a><br clear=3D"none">
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv5493107758gmail_quote">Note the comments about the car's or=
iginal Swiss-specifications and the stuff around engines.&nbsp; Jonmac, this=
 makes us smile to think about your efforts in this area back in the day.</d=
iv>
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..my previous synopsis was the early/mid 2000s. Might be better now, 
never know

ptegler

On 3/15/2021 4:38 PM, John Macartney wrote:
> Thank you for that vote of confidence. I was one of the people who 
> used to research owner provided data to issue those certificates and 
> although I never signed the buyer copy, the three of us who did that 
> work, never authorised any certificate if there was even the slightest 
> doubt about authenticity of owner provided data, or the data could not 
> be triangulated. However, I left BMIHT some twenty years ago so have 
> no idea (or interest now) in what may have happened in later years. I 
> still incline to the view that the early TR5 being offered for sale is 
> either a “ringer” or the seller is making a claim that cannot be 
> substantiated.
>
> Jonmac
>
> Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest 
> intentions.
>
> On 15 Mar 2021, at 17:44, [email-masked] 
>
>> I have little to no faith in Heritgage Certs.... had an aquiantance 
>> recieve a cert with invalid info.
>> As a test he submitted a flat out bogus number an they gave him a 
>> cert for it!
>> rubbish.
>> Now perhaps they had/have vaild records at one time, or for a 
>> particular series of vehicles...but twice now on two different 
>> lineages of cars, the info printed on the cert was just crap thrown 
>> on paper for the $$
>>
>> ptegler
>>
>>
>> From: John Macartney <[email-masked] 
>> I’ve just had a look at the Heritage Certificate for the above car. 
>> From the info on the certificate, it’s clear it was built for a named 
>> customer in Denmark and supplied under Standard Triumphs Personal 
>> Export Scheme which I worked within for several years. Cars built for 
>> display at any international motor show were identified very clearly 
>> on the build record and sales invoice as ‘motor show car’ and this 
>> would have been picked up by BMIHT staff when interrogating the 
>> microfilmed records. It’s also worth mentioning the company would 
>> never have used a customer car for exhibition display at any show 
>> such as those which were as prestigious as London, Paris, Frankfurt, 
>> Geneva or New York. A show car? Not in my book, though the person 
>> whose name appears on the BMIHT document might have been in England 
>> FOR the show but his car on the main or Liverpool stands AT the show? 
>> No way - unless someone can come up with documentation to prove me 
>> wrong. I wouldn’t touch it with that claimed or alleged history but 
>> no doubt someone with more money than sense will swallow the bait and 
>> pay way over the odds for a TR5 that could well be a clone. Too often 
>> in life, things are not always what they seem and in my view this car 
>> fits that category.
>>
>> Jonmac
>>
>>
>>
>> Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest 
>> intentions.
>>
>> On 8 Mar 2021, at 22:06, John Macartney <[email-masked] 
>>
>> What many people fail to realise is that motor show cars are very 
>> different in many ways to the normal production version. For a start, 
>> the paint finish received detailed attention and were often resprayed 
>> several times to give the paint a ‘deeper’ appearance. Engine blocks 
>> were a shiny black, as were hoses. Body and door shut lines underwent 
>> considerable work and door shuts themselves were silky smooth in 
>> operation and quiet to operate. This was always difficult to achieve 
>> on the Herald, GT6 and Spitfire as closing most doors on those models 
>> mostly sounded like putting the lid on an empty trash can. Every 
>> night after show closure, the carpets, seats and door cards in all 
>> cars were exchanged for new ones and any faults or problems reported 
>> to the Stand Manager during the day were rectified. Knobs, switches, 
>> lenses that had been stolen or damaged through clumsy removal were 
>> also replaced. Leaking or non functional hydraulics were replaced as 
>> well and there’s a moral here. NEVER buy a car that has done a stint 
>> as a display vehicle at a ten day motor show. It will have gone 
>> through hell in that time and Engineering always studied reports of 
>> how the cars had held up during the show. Theft, attempted or actual 
>> was by no means unknown and one day a man wearing a pair of white 
>> overalls was actually caught trying to remove a Herald 
>> differential!!! It happened on a Saturday when you could hardly move 
>> on the stand because of the crowds. Car ‘ride heights’ were often 
>> raised a little to allow for the daily punishment of people of 
>> various weights collapsing into cars on a crowded stand. This did 
>> little to give seats a gentle life! Mostly, this was achieved by 
>> temporarily fitting all cars with heavy duty tropical suspension for 
>> the show duration. Doing this meant there was nothing like the amount 
>> of “give” found in a car that was conventionally sprung.
>>
>> Was the motor show experience enjoyable? If you like standing on your 
>> feet from 09.00 to 22.00 without somewhere to sit down, for ten days 
>> solid in an unhealthy atmosphere that gave everyone flu and talking 
>> to people who mostly bored you witless and were often less than 
>> polite, eating the same outside catered lunch and no chance of a 
>> quick beer, I suppose it might have been. The truth was, it wasn’t. 
>> We all had to wear dark, tailored three piece suits (bought at our 
>> cost), starched cotton shirts with turned back cuffs and a detachable 
>> stiff shirt collar and sober tie. Shoes had to be polished like a 
>> guardsmans boots, clean finger nails, immaculately clean and parted 
>> hair and heaven help you after a day attired like that if the Stand 
>> Manager detected even a tiny whiff of halitosis or sweat. Yes, I will 
>> admit we, Standard Triumph’s public face, looked good and perhaps we 
>> had a little virtuous pride in ourselves - but to this day, I’ve yet 
>> to meet any car company employee or salesman who knew as much about 
>> his/her product AND the same level of detail of every other make and 
>> model of car that competed with us. To this day and well over fifty 
>> years later, I’m still amazed how much I can still recall.
>>
>> Jonmac
>>
>> Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest 
>> intentions.
>>
>> On 8 Mar 2021, at 19:07, Greg Lemon <[email-masked] 
>>
>>> I don't believe the suspension was raised.  Might appear taller as 
>>> TR5 tires were skinnier 165, vs. 250 on wider 185/70, or just new 
>>> springs riding a little high.
>>>
>>> Greg Lemon
>>> TR250
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 8, 2021, 12:29 PM John Linney <[email-masked] 
>>>
>>>     Lovely car. Did they raise the ride height from the TR4 / 4A? It
>>>     looks a little high.
>>>
>>>>     On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Don Hiscock <[email-masked]
>>>>
>>>>     Friends in NL have reported that a superbly-restored TR5, the
>>>>     original LHD car from the 1967 Earls Court Motor Show premiere,
>>>>     has been sold to the USA and is now in the midwest.
>>>>
>>>>     Anybody know the car?  It's said to be a pretty special TR, and
>>>>     I'd probably agree.  My first car in life was a TR250,
>>>>     unrestorable given my budget, skills, and marque support at the
>>>>     time. But today -- I wish I still had it!
>>>>
>>>>     Here’s the sales ad:
>>>>     https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=triumph-tr5
>>>>     <https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=triumph-tr5>
>>>>
>>>>     Note the comments about the car's original Swiss-specifications
>>>>     and the stuff around engines.  Jonmac, this makes us smile to
>>>>     think about your efforts in this area back in the day.
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    <p>..my previous synopsis was the early/mid 2000s. Might be better
      now, never know</p>
    <p>ptegler<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/15/2021 4:38 PM, John Macartney
      wrote:<br>
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      Thank you for that vote of confidence. I was one of the people who
      used to research owner provided data to issue those certificates
      and although I never signed the buyer copy, the three of us who
      did that work, never authorised any certificate if there was even
      the slightest doubt about authenticity of owner provided data, or
      the data could not be triangulated. However, I left BMIHT some
      twenty years ago so have no idea (or interest now) in what may
      have happened in later years. I still incline to the view that the
      early TR5 being offered for sale is either a “ringer” or the
      seller is making a claim that cannot be substantiated.
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Jonmac<br>
        <br>
        <div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Vote for Guy Fawkes! The
          only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.</div>
        <div dir="ltr"><br>
          On 15 Mar 2021, at 17:44, <a
            href="mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>
          wrote:<br>
          <br>
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        <blockquote type="cite">
          <div dir="ltr">
            <div style="color:black;font: 10pt arial;">I have little to
              no faith in Heritgage Certs.... had an aquiantance recieve
              a cert with invalid info.<br>
              As a test he submitted a flat out bogus number an they
              gave him a cert for it!
              <div>rubbish.</div>
              <div>Now perhaps they had/have vaild records at one time,
                or for a particular series of vehicles...but twice now
                on two different lineages of cars, the info printed on
                the cert was just crap thrown on paper for the $$</div>
              <div><br>
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              <div>ptegler<br>
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                  style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font
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                    From: John Macartney &lt;<a
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                      moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
                    To: Greg Lemon &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
                    Cc: Triumphs &lt;<a
                      href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
                    Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2021 1:33 pm<br>
                    Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in
                    USA?<br>
                    <br>
                    <div id="yiv5493107758">
                      <div>I’ve just had a look at the Heritage
                        Certificate for the above car. From the info on
                        the certificate, it’s clear it was built for a
                        named customer in Denmark and supplied under
                        Standard Triumphs Personal Export Scheme which I
                        worked within for several years. Cars built for
                        display at any international motor show were
                        identified very clearly on the build record and
                        sales invoice as ‘motor show car’ and this would
                        have been picked up by BMIHT staff when
                        interrogating the microfilmed records. It’s also
                        worth mentioning the company would never have
                        used a customer car for exhibition display at
                        any show such as those which were as prestigious
                        as London, Paris, Frankfurt, Geneva or New York.
                        A show car? Not in my book, though the person
                        whose name appears on the BMIHT document might
                        have been in England FOR the show but his car on
                        the main or Liverpool stands AT the show? No way
                        - unless someone can come up with documentation
                        to prove me wrong. I wouldn’t touch it with that
                        claimed or alleged history but no doubt someone
                        with more money than sense will swallow the bait
                        and pay way over the odds for a TR5 that could
                        well be a clone. Too often in life, things are
                        not always what they seem and in my view this
                        car fits that category.
                        <div><br clear="none">
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                        <div>Jonmac 
                          <div><br clear="none">
                          </div>
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                          </div>
                          <div><br clear="none">
                            <div dir="ltr"
                              id="yiv5493107758AppleMailSignature">Vote
                              for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered
                              Parliament with honest intentions.</div>
                            <div class="yiv5493107758yqt8139465760"
                              id="yiv5493107758yqt21841">
                              <div dir="ltr"><br clear="none">
                                On 8 Mar 2021, at 22:06, John Macartney
                                &lt;<a rel="nofollow noopener
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                      <div class="yiv5493107758yqt8139465760"
                        id="yiv5493107758yqt36074">
                        <div>What many people fail to realise is that
                          motor show cars are very different in many
                          ways to the normal production version. For a
                          start, the paint finish received detailed
                          attention and were often resprayed several
                          times to give the paint a ‘deeper’ appearance.
                          Engine blocks were a shiny black, as were
                          hoses. Body and door shut lines underwent
                          considerable work and door shuts themselves
                          were silky smooth in operation and quiet to
                          operate. This was always difficult to achieve
                          on the Herald, GT6 and Spitfire as closing
                          most doors on those models mostly sounded like
                          putting the lid on an empty trash can. Every
                          night after show closure, the carpets, seats
                          and door cards in all cars were exchanged for
                          new ones and any faults or problems reported
                          to the Stand Manager during the day were
                          rectified. Knobs, switches, lenses that had
                          been stolen or damaged through clumsy removal
                          were also replaced. Leaking or non functional
                          hydraulics were replaced as well and there’s a
                          moral here. NEVER buy a car that has done a
                          stint as a display vehicle at a ten day motor
                          show. It will have gone through hell in that
                          time and Engineering always studied reports of
                          how the cars had held up during the show.
                          Theft, attempted or actual was by no means
                          unknown and one day a man wearing a pair of
                          white overalls was actually caught trying to
                          remove a Herald differential!!! It happened on
                          a Saturday when you could hardly move on the
                          stand because of the crowds. Car ‘ride
                          heights’ were often raised a little to allow
                          for the daily punishment of people of various
                          weights collapsing into cars on a crowded
                          stand. This did little to give seats a gentle
                          life! Mostly, this was achieved by temporarily
                          fitting all cars with heavy duty tropical
                          suspension for the show duration. Doing this
                          meant there was nothing like the amount of
                          “give” found in a car that was conventionally
                          sprung.
                          <div><br clear="none">
                          </div>
                          <div>Was the motor show experience enjoyable?
                            If you like standing on your feet from 09.00
                            to 22.00 without somewhere to sit down, for
                            ten days solid in an unhealthy atmosphere
                            that gave everyone flu and talking to people
                            who mostly bored you witless and were often
                            less than polite, eating the same outside
                            catered lunch and no chance of a quick beer,
                            I suppose it might have been. The truth was,
                            it wasn’t. We all had to wear dark, tailored
                            three piece suits (bought at our cost),
                            starched cotton shirts with turned back
                            cuffs and a detachable stiff shirt collar
                            and sober tie. Shoes had to be polished like
                            a guardsmans boots, clean finger nails,
                            immaculately clean and parted hair and
                            heaven help you after a day attired like
                            that if the Stand Manager detected even a
                            tiny whiff of halitosis or sweat. Yes, I
                            will admit we, Standard Triumph’s public
                            face, looked good and perhaps we had a
                            little virtuous pride in ourselves - but to
                            this day, I’ve yet to meet any car company
                            employee or salesman who knew as much about
                            his/her product AND the same level of detail
                            of every other make and model of car that
                            competed with us. To this day and well over
                            fifty years later, I’m still amazed how much
                            I can still recall.</div>
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                          <div>Jonmac<br clear="none">
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                            <div dir="ltr"
                              id="yiv5493107758AppleMailSignature">Vote
                              for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered
                              Parliament with honest intentions.</div>
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                              On 8 Mar 2021, at 19:07, Greg Lemon &lt;<a
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                                <div>I don't believe the suspension was
                                  raised.  Might appear taller as TR5
                                  tires were skinnier 165, vs. 250 on
                                  wider 185/70, or just new springs
                                  riding a little high.
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                                  <div>Greg Lemon</div>
                                  <div>TR250</div>
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                                  <div class="yiv5493107758gmail_attr"
                                    dir="ltr">On Mon, Mar 8, 2021, 12:29
                                    PM John Linney &lt;<a rel="nofollow
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                                    <div style="word-wrap:break-word;">Lovely
                                      car. Did they raise the ride
                                      height from the TR4 / 4A? It looks
                                      a little high.<br clear="none">
                                      <div><br clear="none">
                                        <blockquote type="cite">
                                          <div>On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:27
                                            AM, Don Hiscock &lt;<a
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                                                <div
                                                  class="yiv5493107758gmail_attr"
                                                  dir="ltr">Friends in
                                                  NL have reported that
                                                  a superbly-restored
                                                  TR5, the original LHD
                                                  car from the 1967
                                                  Earls Court Motor Show
                                                  premiere, has been
                                                  sold to the USA and is
                                                  now in the midwest.</div>
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                                                <div
                                                  class="yiv5493107758gmail_attr">Anybody
                                                  know the car?  It's
                                                  said to be a pretty
                                                  special TR, and I'd
                                                  probably agree.  My
                                                  first car in life was
                                                  a TR250, unrestorable
                                                  given my budget,
                                                  skills, and marque
                                                  support at the time. 
                                                  But today -- I wish I
                                                  still had it!</div>
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                                                Here’s the sales ad:<br
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                                              <div
                                                class="yiv5493107758gmail_quote">Note
                                                the comments about the
                                                car's original
                                                Swiss-specifications and
                                                the stuff around
                                                engines.  Jonmac, this
                                                makes us smile to think
                                                about your efforts in
                                                this area back in the
                                                day.</div>
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FWIW, when we visited the British Motor Museum quite some time ago (I =
think in 2004), I paid a visit to the Heritage Certificate folks there.  =
They were at that time located in a kind of out-of-the-way room in the =
corner, (perhaps upstairs?).  There were several people working the =
room; they seemed knowledgeable from the brief conversation I had with =
them, seemed like nice lads, and I ordered a Certificate on the spot for =
my 1961 TR3A.  It arrived some weeks later, and was quite accurate as to =
dispatch dates, numbers, etc.  I was quite pleased with it.  Just my =
experience - YMMV of course.
Dennis

> On Mar 15, 2021, at 2:45 PM, Paul Tegler <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> ..my previous synopsis was the early/mid 2000s. Might be better now, =
never know
>> Thank you for that vote of confidence. I was one of the people who =
used to research owner provided data to issue those certificates and =
although I never signed the buyer copy, the three of us who did that =
work, never authorised any certificate if there was even the slightest =
doubt about authenticity of owner provided data, or the data could not =
be triangulated. However, I left BMIHT some twenty years ago so have no =
idea (or interest now) in what may have happened in later years. I still =
incline to the view that the early TR5 being offered for sale is either =
a =E2=80=9Cringer=E2=80=9D or the seller is making a claim that cannot =
be substantiated.
>>=20
>> Jonmac
>>=20
>> Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest =
intentions.
>>=20
>> On 15 Mar 2021, at 17:44, [email-masked] =
>>=20
>>> I have little to no faith in Heritgage Certs.... had an aquiantance =
>>> As a test he submitted a flat out bogus number an they gave him a =
cert for it!
>>> rubbish.
>>> Now perhaps they had/have vaild records at one time, or for a =
particular series of vehicles...but twice now on two different lineages =
of cars, the info printed on the cert was just crap thrown on paper for =
the $$
>>> From: John Macartney <[email-masked] =
>>> Cc: Triumphs <[email-masked] =
>>> I=E2=80=99ve just had a look at the Heritage Certificate for the =
above car. =46rom the info on the certificate, it=E2=80=99s clear it was =
built for a named customer in Denmark and supplied under Standard =
Triumphs Personal Export Scheme which I worked within for several years. =
Cars built for display at any international motor show were identified =
very clearly on the build record and sales invoice as =E2=80=98motor =
show car=E2=80=99 and this would have been picked up by BMIHT staff when =
interrogating the microfilmed records. It=E2=80=99s also worth =
mentioning the company would never have used a customer car for =
exhibition display at any show such as those which were as prestigious =
as London, Paris, Frankfurt, Geneva or New York. A show car? Not in my =
book, though the person whose name appears on the BMIHT document might =
have been in England FOR the show but his car on the main or Liverpool =
stands AT the show? No way - unless someone can come up with =
documentation to prove me wrong. I wouldn=E2=80=99t touch it with that =
claimed or alleged history but no doubt someone with more money than =
sense will swallow the bait and pay way over the odds for a TR5 that =
could well be a clone. Too often in life, things are not always what =
they seem and in my view this car fits that category.
>>> Jonmac=20

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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">FWIW,=
 when we visited the British Motor Museum quite some time ago (I think =
in 2004), I paid a visit to the Heritage Certificate folks there. =
&nbsp;They were at that time located in a kind of out-of-the-way room in =
the corner, (perhaps upstairs?). &nbsp;There were several people working =
the room; they seemed knowledgeable from the brief conversation I had =
with them, seemed like nice lads, and I ordered a Certificate on the =
spot for my 1961 TR3A. &nbsp;It arrived some weeks later, and was quite =
accurate as to dispatch dates, numbers, etc. &nbsp;I was quite pleased =
with it. &nbsp;Just my experience - YMMV of course.<div =
class=3D"">Dennis<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Mar =
15, 2021, at 2:45 PM, Paul Tegler &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">
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    <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
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  <div class=3D""><p class=3D"">..my previous synopsis was the early/mid =
2000s. Might be better
      now, never know</p><p class=3D"">ptegler<br class=3D"">
    </p>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 3/15/2021 4:38 PM, John Macartney
      wrote:<br class=3D"">
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite" =
cite=3D"mid:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">
      <meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3DUTF-8" class=3D"">
      Thank you for that vote of confidence. I was one of the people who
      used to research owner provided data to issue those certificates
      and although I never signed the buyer copy, the three of us who
      did that work, never authorised any certificate if there was even
      the slightest doubt about authenticity of owner provided data, or
      the data could not be triangulated. However, I left BMIHT some
      twenty years ago so have no idea (or interest now) in what may
      have happened in later years. I still incline to the view that the
      early TR5 being offered for sale is either a =E2=80=9Cringer=E2=80=9D=
 or the
      seller is making a claim that cannot be substantiated.
      <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
      </div>
      <div class=3D"">Jonmac<br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Vote for Guy Fawkes! The
          only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.</div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D"">
          On 15 Mar 2021, at 17:44, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>
          wrote:<br class=3D"">
          <br class=3D"">
        </div>
        <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
          <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
            <div style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: =
normal; font-family: arial;" class=3D"">I have little to
              no faith in Heritgage Certs.... had an aquiantance recieve
              a cert with invalid info.<br class=3D"">
              As a test he submitted a flat out bogus number an they
              gave him a cert for it!
              <div class=3D"">rubbish.</div>
              <div class=3D"">Now perhaps they had/have vaild records at =
one time,
                or for a particular series of vehicles...but twice now
                on two different lineages of cars, the info printed on
                the cert was just crap thrown on paper for the $$</div>
              <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
              </div>
              <div class=3D"">ptegler<br class=3D"">
                <br class=3D"">
                <br class=3D"">
                <div style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: =
10pt;" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" class=3D"">-----Original =
Message-----<br class=3D"">
                    From: John Macartney &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D"">
                    To: Greg Lemon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br =
class=3D"">
                    Cc: Triumphs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D"">
                    Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2021 1:33 pm<br class=3D"">
                    Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in
                    USA?<br class=3D"">
                    <br class=3D"">
                    <div id=3D"yiv5493107758" class=3D"">
                      <div class=3D"">I=E2=80=99ve just had a look at =
the Heritage
                        Certificate for the above car. =46rom the info =
on
                        the certificate, it=E2=80=99s clear it was built =
for a
                        named customer in Denmark and supplied under
                        Standard Triumphs Personal Export Scheme which I
                        worked within for several years. Cars built for
                        display at any international motor show were
                        identified very clearly on the build record and
                        sales invoice as =E2=80=98motor show car=E2=80=99 =
and this would
                        have been picked up by BMIHT staff when
                        interrogating the microfilmed records. It=E2=80=99=
s also
                        worth mentioning the company would never have
                        used a customer car for exhibition display at
                        any show such as those which were as prestigious
                        as London, Paris, Frankfurt, Geneva or New York.
                        A show car? Not in my book, though the person
                        whose name appears on the BMIHT document might
                        have been in England FOR the show but his car on
                        the main or Liverpool stands AT the show? No way
                        - unless someone can come up with documentation
                        to prove me wrong. I wouldn=E2=80=99t touch it =
with that
                        claimed or alleged history but no doubt someone
                        with more money than sense will swallow the bait
                        and pay way over the odds for a TR5 that could
                        well be a clone. Too often in life, things are
                        not always what they seem and in my view this
                        car fits that category.
                        <div class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"">
                        </div>
                        <div class=3D"">Jonmac&nbsp;
                          <div class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"">
                          </div>
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