Subject: Re: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses

From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 16:43:39 +0000

Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a particular product or brand….

Basic Reasons:

1. Unless absolutely essential, the company policy was not to recommend any one product over another except for things such as oils and fuel octane ratings which latter are calculated still in two different ways.
2. Some products are known in only a few markets and not all of them. Company was supplying product to over 100 different markets.
3. The cars were only designed to last for a maximum period of 10 years, so why bother as mostly the cars would be maintained by the dealers for all but the simplest tasks.

Yes, I remember each car handbook described how to set valve clearances and ignition timing whereas today, the handbook in my wife’s new car points out the dangers of drinking battery acid.

I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!

Jonmac

> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs  http://www.team.net/archive
> 
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]
** [email-masked] **

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs  http://www.team.net/archive

Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]

---

From: adcronin <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 12:54:39 -0500

--===============7099708726113479835==
	boundary="Apple-Mail=_D4F3375B-D7D9-40B5-9905-10111BCAA322"

--Apple-Mail=_D4F3375B-D7D9-40B5-9905-10111BCAA322
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
	charset=utf-8

Bob K
You are correct in pointing out that the TR2/3supplement of the Workshop =
Manual does in fact mention Wellseal.  My observation was based on the =
TR4 Manual and must admit to being too lazy to verify against the =
original third edition of the TR2,3 supplement in my library.  In the =
TR4 first edition manual  there is no mention of a specific product =
other than the mention =E2=80=9CFit the new Figure =E2=80=9C8=E2=80=9D =
gaskets coated with jointing compound=E2=80=9D.

On Feb 8, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Bob Kramer <[email-masked]> wrote:

Dan

I thought the factory choice was a product called Wellseal.  I just =
googled it and Pegasus carries it.  I myself use Hylomar Blue, which is =
relatively expensive as sealants go, but the Wellseal stuff is $31.99

Bob Kramer

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 7:53 AM Dan Cronin via Fot <[email-masked] =
Listers All:
I want to thank everyone who took time out of their day / night to =
respond to my question.  We have had more than 20 folks respond and the =
variety of materials used was impressive.  I will spend a bit more time =
today or tomorrow and tabulate your responses by preference and post to =
both lists.  Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not =
specify a particular product or brand=E2=80=A6.
Dan
_______________________________________________

http://www.fot-racing.com <http://www.fot-racing.com/>

<http://www.team.net/donate.html>
Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive <http://autox.team.net/archive> =
http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot
<http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage>: =
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/[email-masked] =
<http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/[email-masked]>

--Apple-Mail=_D4F3375B-D7D9-40B5-9905-10111BCAA322
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
	charset=utf-8

<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Bob =
K<div class=3D"">You are correct in pointing out that the =
TR2/3supplement of the Workshop Manual does in fact mention Wellseal. =
&nbsp;My observation was based on the TR4 Manual and must admit to being =
too lazy to verify against the original third edition of the TR2,3 =
supplement in my library. &nbsp;In the TR4 first edition manual =
&nbsp;there is no mention of a specific product other than the mention =
<u class=3D"">=E2=80=9CFit the new&nbsp;Figure&nbsp;=E2=80=9C8=E2=80=9D =
gaskets coated with jointing compound=E2=80=9D.</u></div><div =
class=3D""><u class=3D""><br class=3D""></u></div><div class=3D""><div><br=
 class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Feb 8, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Bob Kramer =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">Dan<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I =
thought the factory choice was a product called Wellseal.&nbsp; I just =
googled it and Pegasus carries it.&nbsp; I myself use Hylomar Blue, =
which is relatively expensive as sealants go, but the Wellseal stuff is =
$31.99</div><div class=3D""><br clear=3D"all" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" =
data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Bob =
Kramer</div></div></div><br class=3D""></div></div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb =
8, 2021 at 7:53 AM Dan Cronin via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"overflow-wrap: =
break-word;" class=3D"">Listers All:<div class=3D"">I want to thank =
everyone who took time out of their day / night to respond to my =
question.&nbsp; We have had more than 20 folks respond and the variety =
of materials used was impressive.&nbsp; I will spend a bit more time =
today or tomorrow and tabulate your responses by preference and post to =
both lists.&nbsp; Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not =
specify a particular product or brand=E2=80=A6.</div><div =
class=3D"">Dan</div><div class=3D""><span =
id=3D"cid:17781ed82044475b6b51">&lt;IMG_3668.jpeg&gt;</span></div></div>__=
_____________________________________________<br class=3D"">
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<a href=3D"http://www.fot-racing.com/" rel=3D"noreferrer" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br =
class=3D"">
Archive: <a href=3D"http://autox.team.net/archive" rel=3D"noreferrer" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">http://autox.team.net/archive</a> <a =
href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot<br class=3D"">
href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/[email-masked]" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/[email-masked]</=
a><br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
</blockquote></div>
</div></div><br class=3D""></div></body></html>=

--Apple-Mail=_D4F3375B-D7D9-40B5-9905-10111BCAA322--

--===============7099708726113479835==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

--===============7099708726113479835==--

---

From: adcronin <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 15:45:01 -0500

--===============6054184155053560675==
	boundary="Apple-Mail=_264933FF-4C6B-4267-A88D-2EB8B22280D2"

--Apple-Mail=_264933FF-4C6B-4267-A88D-2EB8B22280D2
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
	charset=utf-8

RESULTS OF Fo8 SEALANT THREAD=E2=80=94Thanks again to all who =
contributed

We had around 25 responses of one sort or another, several good =
suggestions and a couple of =E2=80=9Cheads up=E2=80=9D  regarding =
=E2=80=9Caggressive=E2=80=9D motor oil potential reaction with some =
sealants.
Most popular with 7 users was HYLOMAR BLUE
Next was PERMATEX AVIATION with 5 users
Then came YAMABOND #5 with 3 users
Followed by unspecified SILICONE with 2 users
COPPER COAT,  PERMATEX BROWN and INDIAN HEAD SHELLAC each had 1 user
Several responders suggested that perhaps if the mating surfaces (see =
below) were in good shape then no sealant al all might be the way to =
go...
One responder (with a couple of like minded individuals)suggested using =
an old liner cleaned up and true as a sort of hone to polish the =
=E2=80=9Cland=E2=80=9D in the block.  This might also work to emphasize =
highs and lows in the land if a bit of Prussian blue was applied to the =
land prior to using the =E2=80=9Chone=E2=80=9D.

On Feb 8, 2021, at 11:43 AM, John Macartney =
<[email-masked]> wrote:

Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a =
particular product or brand=E2=80=A6.

Basic Reasons:

1. Unless absolutely essential, the company policy was not to recommend =
any one product over another except for things such as oils and fuel =
octane ratings which latter are calculated still in two different ways.
2. Some products are known in only a few markets and not all of them. =
Company was supplying product to over 100 different markets.
3. The cars were only designed to last for a maximum period of 10 years, =
so why bother as mostly the cars would be maintained by the dealers for =
all but the simplest tasks.

Yes, I remember each car handbook described how to set valve clearances =
and ignition timing whereas today, the handbook in my wife=E2=80=99s new =
car points out the dangers of drinking battery acid.

I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant =
called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have =
ever heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!

Jonmac
>=20

> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs  =
>=20
> Unsubscribe/Manage: =
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]=
k

--Apple-Mail=_264933FF-4C6B-4267-A88D-2EB8B22280D2
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
	charset=utf-8

<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><font color=3D"#4f7a28" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></font></div><font color=3D"#4f7a28" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><font color=3D"#4f7a28" class=3D"">RESULTS OF Fo8 SEALANT =
THREAD=E2=80=94Thanks again to all who contributed</font></div><br =
class=3D""></font><div class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(79, 122, =
40);" class=3D"">We had around 25 responses of one sort or another, =
several good suggestions and a couple of&nbsp;=E2=80=9Cheads up=E2=80=9D =
&nbsp;regarding&nbsp;=E2=80=9Caggressive=E2=80=9D motor oil potential =
reaction with some sealants.</span></div><div class=3D""><font =
color=3D"#4f7a28" class=3D"">Most popular with 7 users =
was&nbsp;HYLOMAR&nbsp;BLUE</font></div><div class=3D""><font =
color=3D"#4f7a28" class=3D"">Next was PERMATEX AVIATION with 5 =
users</font></div><div class=3D""><font color=3D"#4f7a28" class=3D"">Then =
came YAMABOND #5 with 3 users</font></div><div class=3D""><font =
color=3D"#4f7a28" class=3D"">Followed by&nbsp;unspecified&nbsp;SILICONE =
with 2 users</font></div><div class=3D""><font color=3D"#4f7a28" =
class=3D"">COPPER COAT, &nbsp;PERMATEX BROWN and INDIAN HEAD SHELLAC =
each had 1 user</font></div><div class=3D""><font color=3D"#4f7a28" =
class=3D"">Several responders suggested that perhaps if the mating =
surfaces (see below) were in good shape then no sealant al all might be =
the way to go...</font></div><div class=3D""><font color=3D"#4f7a28" =
class=3D"">One responder (with a couple of like minded =
individuals)suggested using an old liner cleaned up and true as a sort =
of hone to polish the&nbsp;=E2=80=9Cland=E2=80=9D in the block. =
&nbsp;This might also work to emphasize highs and lows in the land if a =
bit of&nbsp;Prussian&nbsp;blue was applied to the land prior to using =
the&nbsp;=E2=80=9Chone=E2=80=9D.</font></div><div class=3D""><font =
color=3D"#4f7a28" class=3D""><br class=3D""></font></div><div =
class=3D""><font color=3D"#4f7a28" class=3D""><br class=3D""></font><div =
class=3D""><font color=3D"#4f7a28" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(79, 122, 40);" class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></font></div><div =
class=3D""><font color=3D"#4f7a28" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(79, 122, 40);" class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></font><div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Feb 8, 2021, at 11:43 AM, John Macartney =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D""> =
Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a =
particular product or brand=E2=80=A6.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Basic =
Reasons:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">1. Unless absolutely essential, =
the company policy was not to recommend any one product over another =
except for things such as oils and fuel octane ratings which latter are =
calculated still in two different ways.<br class=3D"">2. Some products =
are known in only a few markets and not all of them. Company was =
supplying product to over 100 different markets.<br class=3D"">3. The =
cars were only designed to last for a maximum period of 10 years, so why =
bother as mostly the cars would be maintained by the dealers for all but =
the simplest tasks.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Yes, I remember each =
car handbook described how to set valve clearances and ignition timing =
whereas today, the handbook in my wife=E2=80=99s new car points out the =
dangers of drinking battery acid.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I do =
recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called =
DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever =
heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Jonmac<br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D"">Donate: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/donate.html" =
class=3D"">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br class=3D"">Archive: <a =
href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs" =
class=3D"">http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs</a> &nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://www.team.net/archive" =
class=3D"">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Unsubscribe/Manage: <a =
href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney@ukpi=
ps.org.uk" =
class=3D"">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney@u=
kpips.org.uk</a><br class=3D""></blockquote></div></div></div><br =
class=3D""></div></div></body></html>=

--Apple-Mail=_264933FF-4C6B-4267-A88D-2EB8B22280D2--

--===============6054184155053560675==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

--===============6054184155053560675==--

---

From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 01:17:05 +0000 (UTC)

--===============5517840828045961973==
	boundary="----=_Part_2499984_1259300825.1612833425703"

------=_Part_2499984_1259300825.1612833425703
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

=20

I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called =
DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard =
of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!
 Au contraire, mon ami.=C2=A0 Dum Dum is readily available state-side at ma=
ny body shop supply depots.=C2=A0 I have a box of it in my garage which I u=
sed to seal up the aluminium finish piece on top of the TR6 windscreen fram=
e.
But you are right about many products being local specialties where name br=
ands are not available everywhere but equivalents certainly are.=C2=A0 Dum =
dum included, I'm sure.=C2=A0=20
=20
Dave=20

=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
To: Dan Cronin <[email-masked]>
Cc: Triumph List <[email-masked]>; FOT List Triumph <[email-masked]=
m.net>
Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2021 10:43 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses

 Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a particular =
product or brand=E2=80=A6.

Basic Reasons:

1. Unless absolutely essential, the company policy was not to recommend any=
 one product over another except for things such as oils and fuel octane ra=
tings which latter are calculated still in two different ways.
2. Some products are known in only a few markets and not all of them. Compa=
ny was supplying product to over 100 different markets.
3. The cars were only designed to last for a maximum period of 10 years, so=
 why bother as mostly the cars would be maintained by the dealers for all b=
ut the simplest tasks.

Yes, I remember each car handbook described how to set valve clearances and=
 ignition timing whereas today, the handbook in my wife=E2=80=99s new car p=
oints out the dangers of drinking battery acid.

I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called =
DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard =
of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!

Jonmac

> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs  http://www.team.net/arch=
ive
>=20
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.m=
[email-masked]

Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs  http://www.team.net/archiv=
e

[email-masked]

------=_Part_2499984_1259300825.1612833425703
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<div style=3D"color:black;font: 12pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div> <br>
</div>

<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><bloc=
kquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid blue; padding-left: 3px;">I do recal=
l some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called DumDum - a=
nd of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum.=
 Even this list has speculated on it!</blockquote></div>

<div> <font size=3D"3">Au contraire, mon ami.&nbsp; Dum Dum is readily avai=
lable state-side at many body shop supply depots.&nbsp; I have a box of it =
in my garage which I used to seal up the aluminium finish piece on top of t=
he TR6 windscreen frame.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">But you are right about many products being local spe=
cialties where name brands are not available everywhere but equivalents cer=
tainly are.&nbsp; Dum dum included, I'm sure.&nbsp; </font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
<br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font=
 size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: John Macartney &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Dan Cronin &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: Triumph List &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; FOT List Triumph &lt;fot@=
autox.team.net&gt;<br>
Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2021 10:43 am<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses<br>
<br>

<div dir=3D"ltr"> Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not spec=
ify a particular product or brand=E2=80=A6.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"=
none">Basic Reasons:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">1. Unless absolut=
ely essential, the company policy was not to recommend any one product over=
 another except for things such as oils and fuel octane ratings which latte=
r are calculated still in two different ways.<br clear=3D"none">2. Some pro=
ducts are known in only a few markets and not all of them. Company was supp=
lying product to over 100 different markets.<br clear=3D"none">3. The cars =
were only designed to last for a maximum period of 10 years, so why bother =
as mostly the cars would be maintained by the dealers for all but the simpl=
est tasks.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Yes, I remember each car ha=
ndbook described how to set valve clearances and ignition timing whereas to=
day, the handbook in my wife=E2=80=99s new car points out the dangers of dr=
inking battery acid.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">I do recall some =
manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called DumDum - and of c=
ourse, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum. Even t=
his list has speculated on it!<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Jonmac<=
br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">&gt; Donate: <=
a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"http://www.team.net/donate.html" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br clear=3D"none">&gt; Archive: <a sha=
pe=3D"rect" href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs" target=3D"_blan=
k">http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs </a> <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"ht=
tp://www.team.net/archive" target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/archive</a=
><br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Unsubscribe/Manage: <a sha=
pe=3D"rect" href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.mac=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/optio=
ns/triumphs/[email-masked]</a>
<div class=3D"yqt2561660416" id=3D"yqtfd94190"><br clear=3D"none">** <a sha=
pe=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:trium=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> **<br clear=3D"none"><br cl=
ear=3D"none">Donate: <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"http://www.team.net/donate.h=
tml" target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br clear=3D"none=
">Archive: <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs=
" target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs </a> <a shape=3D=
"rect" href=3D"http://www.team.net/archive" target=3D"_blank">http://www.te=
am.net/archive</a><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Unsubscribe/Manage:=
 <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/d=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/=
triumphs/[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none"></div>
</div>
</font></div>
</div>

------=_Part_2499984_1259300825.1612833425703--

--===============5517840828045961973==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

--===============5517840828045961973==--

---

From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 20:22:49 -0500

> I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!

Huh.  I worked for a VW dealer in Atlanta, and we used plenty of
Dumdum.  I always figured it was a slang term, as I never saw the box
it came in.

What I call Dumdum was sheets of wax paper with eight or so rods of
soft, semi-sticky sealant like modeling clay side by side.     Looked
like a box of skinny black pencils.
** [email-masked] **

---

From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 01:34:39 +0000 (UTC)

--===============4481942998853692355==
	boundary="----=_Part_2834541_115284389.1612834479037"

------=_Part_2834541_115284389.1612834479037
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have the box here and the brand name IS "Dumdum."
Cute name.
=20
Dave=20

=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
To: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
Cc: Triumph List <[email-masked]>
Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2021 7:22 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:59 AM John Macartney
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant calle=
d DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever hear=
d of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!

Huh.=C2=A0 I worked for a VW dealer in Atlanta, and we used plenty of
Dumdum.=C2=A0 I always figured it was a slang term, as I never saw the box
it came in.

What I call Dumdum was sheets of wax paper with eight or so rods of
soft, semi-sticky sealant like modeling clay side by side.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Loo=
ked
like a box of skinny black pencils.
** [email-masked] **

[email-masked]

------=_Part_2834541_115284389.1612834479037
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

<div style="color:black;font: 12pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div><font size="3">I have the box here and the brand name IS "Dumdum."</font></div>

<div><font size="3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size="3">Cute name.</font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div style="clear:both"><font size="4">Dave </font><br>
<br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font size="2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Jeff Scarbrough &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: John Macartney &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: Triumph List &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2021 7:22 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses<br>
<br>

<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:59 AM John Macartney<br clear="none">&lt;<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:[email-masked]" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear="none">&gt;<br clear="none">&gt; I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Huh.&nbsp; I worked for a VW dealer in Atlanta, and we used plenty of<br clear="none">Dumdum.&nbsp; I always figured it was a slang term, as I never saw the box<br clear="none">it came in.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">What I call Dumdum was sheets of wax paper with eight or so rods of<br clear="none">soft, semi-sticky sealant like modeling clay side by side.&nbsp; &nbsp;  Looked<br clear="none">like a box of skinny black pencils.
<div class="yqt0684647986" id="yqtfd20287"><br clear="none">** <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:[email-masked]" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> **<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Donate: <a shape="rect" href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br clear="none">Archive: <a shape="rect" href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs </a> <a shape="rect" href="http://www.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Unsubscribe/Manage: <a shape="rect" href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]</a><br clear="none"></div>
</div>
</font></div>
</div>

------=_Part_2834541_115284389.1612834479037--

--===============4481942998853692355==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

--===============4481942998853692355==--

---

From: Tom Walling <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 11:26:22 -0500 (EST)

I have always seen Dum-Dum used as a body joint filler where there are panels that abut each other. I doubt it would have any positive effect on the Figure-of-Eight seals in the engine.

> On 02/08/2021 8:22 PM Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
>  
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]

---

From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 16:44:31 +0000 (UTC)

--===============8789738880477762506==
	boundary="----=_Part_3009361_1140196607.1612889071844"

------=_Part_3009361_1140196607.1612889071844
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 You're right, it wouldn't.=C2=A0 Nor would it make a great desert topping.
Always chose the right product for the job.
=20
Dave=20

=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Walling <[email-masked]>
To: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>; John Macartney <John.Macartney@u=
kpips.org.uk>
Cc: Triumph List <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2021 10:26 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses

I have always seen Dum-Dum used as a body joint filler where there are pane=
ls that abut each other. I doubt it would have any positive effect on the F=
igure-of-Eight seals in the engine.

>=C2=A0=20
> > I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant cal=
led DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever he=
ard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!
> Dumdum.=C2=A0 I always figured it was a slang term, as I never saw the bo=
x
> soft, semi-sticky sealant like modeling clay side by side.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 L=
ooked
ive
>=20
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pdqtr6=
@comcast.net

[email-masked]

------=_Part_3009361_1140196607.1612889071844
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<div style=3D"color:black;font: 12pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div> <font size=3D"3">You're right, it wouldn't.&nbsp; Nor would it make a=
 great desert topping.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Always chose the right product for the job.</font><br=
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font=
 size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Tom Walling &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Jeff Scarbrough &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; John Macartney &lt;John.Ma=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: Triumph List &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2021 10:26 am<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses<br>
<br>

<div dir=3D"ltr">I have always seen Dum-Dum used as a body joint filler whe=
re there are panels that abut each other. I doubt it would have any positiv=
e effect on the Figure-of-Eight seals in the engine.<br clear=3D"none"><br =
clear=3D"none">&gt; On 02/08/2021 8:22 PM Jeff Scarbrough &lt;<a shape=3D"r=
ect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:fishplate@gmail.=
com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D=
"none">&gt;&nbsp; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:59 AM J=
ohn Macartney<br clear=3D"none">&gt; &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none">&gt; &gt;<b=
r clear=3D"none">&gt; &gt; I do recall some manuals and service bulletins c=
alled for a sealant called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outsid=
e the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!<=
br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Huh.&nbsp; I worked for a VW=
 dealer in Atlanta, and we used plenty of<br clear=3D"none">&gt; Dumdum.&nb=
sp; I always figured it was a slang term, as I never saw the box<br clear=
=3D"none">&gt; it came in.<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; W=
hat I call Dumdum was sheets of wax paper with eight or so rods of<br clear=
=3D"none">&gt; soft, semi-sticky sealant like modeling clay side by side.&n=
bsp; &nbsp;  Looked<br clear=3D"none">&gt; like a box of skinny black penci=
ls.<br clear=3D"none">&gt; ** <a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:triumphs@=
autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
.net</a> **<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Donate: <a shape=
=3D"rect" href=3D"http://www.team.net/donate.html" target=3D"_blank">http:/=
/www.team.net/donate.html</a><br clear=3D"none">&gt; Archive: <a shape=3D"r=
ect" href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs" target=3D"_blank">http=
://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs </a> <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"http://ww=
w.team.net/archive" target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br cl=
ear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Unsubscribe/Manage: <a shape=3D"r=
ect" href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pdqtr6@comcast.=
net" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pdqtr=
[email-masked]</a>
<div class=3D"yqt3307533041" id=3D"yqtfd15200"><br clear=3D"none">** <a sha=
pe=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:trium=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> **<br clear=3D"none"><br cl=
ear=3D"none">Donate: <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"http://www.team.net/donate.h=
tml" target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br clear=3D"none=
">Archive: <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs=
" target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs </a> <a shape=3D=
"rect" href=3D"http://www.team.net/archive" target=3D"_blank">http://www.te=
am.net/archive</a><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Unsubscribe/Manage:=
 <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/d=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/=
triumphs/[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none"></div>
</div>
</font></div>
</div>

------=_Part_3009361_1140196607.1612889071844--

--===============8789738880477762506==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

--===============8789738880477762506==--

---

From: <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 14:34:49 -0500

... sounds like Eastwood's flexible strip caulk.
https://www.eastwood.com/ew-flexible-strip-caulk-bk-2-lbs.html

Keith

Keith Stewart
[email-masked]

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]> 
Sent: February 8, 2021 8:23 PM
To: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
Cc: Triumph List <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses

> I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!

Huh.  I worked for a VW dealer in Atlanta, and we used plenty of Dumdum.  I always figured it was a slang term, as I never saw the box it came in.

---

From: Don Hiscock <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 13:44:32 -0600

--===============8266931399097986880==

--000000000000a2296a05baec844f

3M makes (or at least sells a branded version of) butyl rubber strip caulk,
too.  I have a pack in my sealants tote.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 1:37 PM <[email-masked]> wrote:

> > I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant
> called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever
> heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!
>
> Huh.  I worked for a VW dealer in Atlanta, and we used plenty of Dumdum.
> I always figured it was a slang term, as I never saw the box it came in.
>
> Unsubscribe/Manage:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]
>

--000000000000a2296a05baec844f
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<div dir=3D"ltr">3M makes (or at least sells a branded version of) butyl ru=
bber strip caulk, too.=C2=A0 I have a pack in my sealants tote.=C2=A0=C2=A0=
</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=
On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 1:37 PM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2=
04);padding-left:1ex">... sounds like Eastwood&#39;s flexible strip caulk.<=
br>
<a href=3D"https://www.eastwood.com/ew-flexible-strip-caulk-bk-2-lbs.html" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.eastwood.com/ew-flexible-s=
trip-caulk-bk-2-lbs.html</a><br>
<br>
Keith<br>
<br>
Keith Stewart<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">keithstewart@bel=
l.net</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Jeff Scarbrough &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br>
Sent: February 8, 2021 8:23 PM<br>
To: John Macartney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: Triumph List &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses<br>
<br>
On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:59 AM John Macartney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:John.M=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant ca=
lled DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever h=
eard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!<br>
<br>
Huh.=C2=A0 I worked for a VW dealer in Atlanta, and we used plenty of Dumdu=
m.=C2=A0 I always figured it was a slang term, as I never saw the box it ca=
me in.<br>
<br>
What I call Dumdum was sheets of wax paper with eight or so rods of<br>
soft, semi-sticky sealant like modeling clay side by side.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0Looked<br>
like a box of skinny black pencils.<br>
<br>
<br>
** <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@au=
tox.team.net</a> **<br>
<br>
et=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>
Archive: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs" rel=3D"noreferr=
er" target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs</a>=C2=A0 <a h=
ref=3D"http://www.team.net/archive" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tp://www.team.net/archive</a><br>
<br>
hs/[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://autox=
.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]</a><br>
</blockquote></div>

--000000000000a2296a05baec844f--

--===============8266931399097986880==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

--===============8266931399097986880==--

---

From: glewis999 <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 19:48:54 +0000 (UTC)

--===============4724608398016272491==
	boundary="----=_Part_397477_27251593.1612900134160"

------=_Part_397477_27251593.1612900134160
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dum Dum was used as a non-setting=C2=A0sealant between body panels and as a=
=C2=A0seam sealer. It is no longer available here in the UK, thanks, I thin=
k, to EU rules.Graham

Sent from the all new Aol app for iOS

On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 7:37 pm, [email-masked] <keithstewart@=
bell.net> wrote:

Keith

Keith Stewart
[email-masked]

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: February 8, 2021 8:23 PM
To: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
Cc: Triumph List <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses

me in.

[email-masked]

------=_Part_397477_27251593.1612900134160
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<html xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microso=
ft-com:vml" xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"><head><!--[=
if gte mso 9]><xml><o:OfficeDocumentSettings><o:AllowPNG/><o:PixelsPerInch>=
96</o:PixelsPerInch></o:OfficeDocumentSettings></xml><![endif]--></head><bo=
dy>
Dum Dum was used as a non-setting&nbsp;sealant between body panels and as a=
&nbsp;seam sealer. It is no longer available here in the UK, thanks, I thin=
k, to EU rules.<div>Graham<br><br><br><a href=3D"https://apps.apple.com/us/=
app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661">Sent from the all new Aol app=
 for iOS</a><br><br><p class=3D"yahoo-quoted-begin" style=3D"font-size: 15p=
x; color: #715FFA; padding-top: 15px; margin-top: 0">On Tuesday, February 9=
, 2021, 7:37 pm, [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:=
</p><blockquote class=3D"iosymail"><div dir=3D"ltr">... sounds like Eastwoo=
d's flexible strip caulk.<br clear=3D"none"><a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https=
://www.eastwood.com/ew-flexible-strip-caulk-bk-2-lbs.html" target=3D"_blank=
">https://www.eastwood.com/ew-flexible-strip-caulk-bk-2-lbs.html</a><br cle=
ar=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Keith<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">K=
eith Stewart<br clear=3D"none"><a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:keithste=
[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]<=
/a><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"y=
qt4374994615" id=3D"yqtfd99256"><br clear=3D"none">-----Original Message---=
--<br clear=3D"none">From: Jeff Scarbrough &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">fishplate@=
gmail.com</a>&gt; <br clear=3D"none">Sent: February 8, 2021 8:23 PM<br clea=
r=3D"none">To: John Macartney &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:John.=
[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">John.=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">Cc: Triumph List &lt;<a s=
hape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:tri=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">Sub=
ject: Re: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses<br clear=3D"none"><=
br clear=3D"none">On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:59 AM John Macartney &lt;<a sha=
pe=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r clear=3D"none">&gt;<br clear=3D"none">&gt; I do recall some manuals and s=
ervice bulletins called for a sealant called DumDum - and of course, few pe=
ople if any outside the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum. Even this list has =
speculated on it!<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Huh.&nbsp; I worked =
for a VW dealer in Atlanta, and we used plenty of Dumdum.&nbsp; I always fi=
gured it was a slang term, as I never saw the box it came in.<br clear=3D"n=
one"><br clear=3D"none">What I call Dumdum was sheets of wax paper with eig=
ht or so rods of<br clear=3D"none">soft, semi-sticky sealant like modeling =
clay side by side.&nbsp; &nbsp;  Looked<br clear=3D"none">like a box of ski=
nny black pencils.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">=
** <a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> **<br clear=3D"non=
e"><br clear=3D"none">Donate: <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"http://www.team.net=
/donate.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br clea=
r=3D"none">Archive: <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail=
/triumphs " target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs </a> <=
a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"http://www.team.net/archive" target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://www.team.net/archive</a><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Unsubscri=
be/Manage: <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/=
triumphs/[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman=
/options/triumphs/[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none"></div></div><bloc=
kquote></blockquote></blockquote></div>
</body></html>
------=_Part_397477_27251593.1612900134160--

--===============4724608398016272491==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

--===============4724608398016272491==--

---

From: Paul Tegler <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 15:39:56 -0500

3M strip caulk re-packaged. have used it for years. (real 3M version)

Also avail at your local big box store (Lowes etc) is a very similarly 
packaged product in the weather strip area....
is actually closer (is) soft window chauking in strips (5-6 parrallel in 
a roll) its the same stuff used under you chrome trim over the 
windshield and etc, light tan in color never hardens works great!

ptegler

On 2/9/2021 2:34 PM, [email-masked] wrote:
> .. sounds like Eastwood's flexible strip caulk.
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]

-- 
Paul Tegler
[email-masked]  www.teglerizer.com