Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 gearbox TS numbers

From: John Macartney <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:47:17 +0000

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In all the years I worked at Standard Triumph and later at BMIHT Gaydon, I d=
o not recall ever seeing a gearbox number appearing on a vehicle build recor=
d. That=E2=80=99s not to say they were not recorded somewhere for some purpo=
se but equally, neither were axle numbers.

Jonmac

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ons.

> On 25 Feb 2021, at 03:58, DAVE HOGYE <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Hello listers,
> Can anyone shed some light on the relativity of gearbox numbers compared t=
o engine and vin numbers?  I don't have that number listed on the Heritage c=
ertificate of my TR3. =20
> When I bought my car back in '08, the original engine and trans were not i=
n the it.  Years later, I found the original engine block, as per the Herita=
ge certificate, among 11 other TR engines in the previous owners garage whil=
e helping him move some things.  He said at the time that he was sure that h=
e did not get the block with the car and had no idea it was original to it. =
=20
> Now, while looking through a bunch of gearboxes from the same person, I fo=
und a box with a number about 800 later than the VIN and 151 later than the e=
ngine number.  I'm thinking this might be the original box from my car.  I'm=
 thinking that if the engine numbers were later than the VIN, gearbox number=
 might be even later. =20
> I will most likely never use it, or put it back in the car, but I will kee=
p it with the car if there is a chance it is the original unit.
> Dave H.=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">In all the years I worked at Standard Trium=
ph and later at BMIHT Gaydon, I do not recall ever seeing a gearbox number a=
ppearing on a vehicle build record. That=E2=80=99s not to say they were not r=
ecorded somewhere for some purpose but equally, neither were axle numbers.<d=
iv><br></div><div>Jonmac<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">V=
ote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentio=
ns.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 25 Feb 2021, at 03:58, DAVE HOGYE &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>=
</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">

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  <div class=3D"default-style" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvet=
ica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">
   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">Hello listers,</=
span>
  </div>=20
  <div class=3D"default-style" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvet=
ica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">
   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">Can anyone shed s=
ome light on the relativity of gearbox numbers compared to engine and vin nu=
mbers?&nbsp; I don't have that number listed on the Heritage certificate of m=
y TR3.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>
  </div>=20
  <div class=3D"default-style" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvet=
ica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">
   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">When I bought my=
 car back in '08, the original engine and trans were not in the it.&nbsp; Ye=
ars later, I found the original engine block, as per the Heritage certificat=
e, among 11 other TR engines in the previous owners garage while helping him=
 move some things.&nbsp; He said at the time that he was sure that he did no=
t get the block with the car and had no idea it was original to it.&nbsp;&nb=
sp;</span>
  </div>=20
  <div class=3D"default-style" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvet=
ica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">
   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">Now, while looki=
ng through a bunch of gearboxes from the same person, I found a box with a n=
umber about 800 later than the VIN and 151 later than the engine number.&nbs=
p; I'm thinking this might be the original box from my car.&nbsp; I'm thinki=
ng that if the engine numbers were later than the VIN, gearbox number might b=
e even later.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>
  </div>=20
  <div class=3D"default-style" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvet=
ica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">
   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">I will most like=
ly never use it, or put it back in the car, but I will keep it with the car i=
f there is a chance it is the original unit.</span>
  </div>=20
  <div class=3D"default-style" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvet=
ica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">
   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">Dave H.&nbsp;</s=
pan>
  </div>=20
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From: "Andrew S. Mace" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 15:24:19 +0000 (UTC)

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 I suspect the odds of that being the original gearbox are in your favor!
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--Andy=20
Andrew Mace
[email-masked]

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph H=
erald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)
Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Regi=
ster: http://www.vtr.org
Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Heral=
d Database: http://triumph-herald.us=20
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 Hello listers,   Can anyone shed some light on the relativity of gearbox n=
umbers compared to engine and vin numbers?=C2=A0 I don't have that number l=
isted on the Heritage certificate of my TR3.=C2=A0=C2=A0   When I bought my=
 car back in '08, the original engine and trans were not in the it.=C2=A0 Y=
ears later, I found the original engine block, as per the Heritage certific=
ate, among 11 other TR engines in the previous owners garage while helping =
him move some things.=C2=A0 He said at the time that he was sure that he di=
d not get the block with the car and had no idea it was original to it.=C2=
=A0=C2=A0   Now, while looking through a bunch of gearboxes from the same p=
erson, I found a box with a number about 800 later than the VIN and 151 lat=
er than the engine number.=C2=A0 I'm thinking this might be the original bo=
x from my car.=C2=A0 I'm thinking that if the engine numbers were later tha=
n the VIN, gearbox number might be even later.=C2=A0=C2=A0   I will most li=
kely never use it, or put it back in the car, but I will keep it with the c=
ar if there is a chance it is the original unit.   Dave H.=20

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<div> <font size="3">I suspect the odds of that being the original gearbox are in your favor!</font><br>
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<div style="font:12pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Andrew Mace<br>
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<font size="1">*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?<br>
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings.<br>
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)<br>
Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org<br>
Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us</font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><br clear="none">On 25 Feb 2021, at 03:58, DAVE HOGYE &lt;<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>
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   <span style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;">Hello listers,</span>
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<div class="yiv2674533075default-style" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;">
   <span style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;">Can anyone shed some light on the relativity of gearbox numbers compared to engine and vin numbers?&nbsp; I don't have that number listed on the Heritage certificate of my TR3.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>
  </div>

<div class="yiv2674533075default-style" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;">
   <span style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;">When I bought my car back in '08, the original engine and trans were not in the it.&nbsp; Years later, I found the original engine block, as per the Heritage certificate, among 11 other TR engines in the previous owners garage while helping him move some things.&nbsp; He said at the time that he was sure that he did not get the block with the car and had no idea it was original to it.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>
  </div>

<div class="yiv2674533075default-style" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;">
   <span style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;">Now, while looking through a bunch of gearboxes from the same person, I found a box with a number about 800 later than the VIN and 151 later than the engine number.&nbsp; I'm thinking this might be the original box from my car.&nbsp; I'm thinking that if the engine numbers were later than the VIN, gearbox number might be even later.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>
  </div>

<div class="yiv2674533075default-style" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;">
   <span style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;">I will most likely never use it, or put it back in the car, but I will keep it with the car if there is a chance it is the original unit.</span>
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   <span style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;">Dave H. <br>
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