Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 starter

From: Cliff Hansen <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 03:23:02 +0000

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I=92d guess that the field coil in the solenoid had a short to ground, and =
the short circuit current heated the coil insulating material to the point =
of a fire.

Cliff

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Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 starter

Thats the solenoid.  I'm pretty sure it fried.   Nothing else looks amiss. =
 But it could have stuck. No way of knowing

-------- Original message --------
From: Alex & Janet Thomson <[email-masked]>
Date: 2/14/21 7:46 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: 'dave' <[email-masked]>, [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [TR] TR6 starter

Uh Oh! The smoke came out of the wires! I don=92t want to make fun of the s=
ituation but could it be a sticking starter that never disengaged? But usua=
lly, you would think that you would hear that. What condition were the batt=
ery cables in? Did they show signs of overheating?

Alex Thomson

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 7:51 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [TR] TR6 starter

This is a high torque starter that I just pulled out of my TR6.  There was =
a lot of stinky smoke.

Anyone have any idea what caused this?  or seen anything like this before? =
 It must be about 10 or even 15 years old.  No more than 10k miles ago.

I started the car the other day; it was in the mid 20=92s.  let it idle for=
 probably 10 or 15 minutes.  Drove a few miles and smelled it.  pulled off =
and popped the hood.  Lots of smoke coming out.

Towed it home and ordered a new starter.

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=92d guess that the field coil in the solenoid had =
a short to ground, and the short circuit current heated the coil insulating=
 material to the point of a fire.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cliff</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">dave</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Sunday, February 14, 2021 7:34 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
et</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [TR] TR6 starter</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thats the solenoid.&nbsp; I'm pretty sure it fried.&=
nbsp; &nbsp;Nothing else looks amiss.&nbsp; But it could have stuck. No way=
 of knowing<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">-------- Original messag=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">From: Alex &amp; Janet T=
homson &lt;[email-masked]&gt;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Date: 2/14/21 7:46 PM (G=
MT-06:00) <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">To: 'dave' &lt;dave@rant=
eer.com&gt;, [email-masked]
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Subject: RE: [TR] TR6 st=
arter <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">Uh Oh! The smoke ca=
me out of the wires! I don=92t want to make fun of the situation but could =
it be a sticking starter that never disengaged?
 But usually, you would think that you would hear that. What condition were=
 the battery cables in? Did they show signs of overheating?</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">Alex Thomson</span>=
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ot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif"> Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]=
et]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>dave<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 14, 2021 7:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [TR] TR6 starter</span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">This is a high torque starter that I just pulled out of my TR6.&nb=
sp; There was a lot of stinky smoke.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">Anyone have any idea what caused this?&nbsp; or seen anything like=
 this before?&nbsp; It must be about 10 or even 15 years old.&nbsp; No more=
 than 10k miles ago.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">I started the car the other day; it was in the mid 20=92s.&nbsp; l=
et it idle for probably 10 or 15 minutes.&nbsp; Drove a few miles and smell=
ed it.&nbsp; pulled off and popped the hood.&nbsp; Lots of
 smoke coming out.</p>
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lt:auto">&nbsp;</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:02:30 +0000 (UTC)

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 Actually that's the motor.=C2=A0 If you look closely you can see the commu=
tator.
Yes you'd think you would hear that but we don't know how loud is exhaust i=
s.
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Dave=20

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-----Original Message-----
From: dave <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Sent: Sun, Feb 14, 2021 8:29 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 starter

Thats the solenoid.=C2=A0 I'm pretty sure it fried.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Nothing els=
e looks amiss.=C2=A0 But it could have stuck. No way of knowing
-------- Original message --------From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson@c=
harter.net> Date: 2/14/21 7:46 PM (GMT-06:00) To: 'dave' <[email-masked]>=
, [email-masked] Subject: RE: [TR] TR6 starter=20
Uh Oh! The smoke came out of the wires! I don=E2=80=99t want to make fun of=
 the situation but could it be a sticking starter that never disengaged? Bu=
t usually, you would think that you would hear that. What condition were th=
e battery cables in? Did they show signs of overheating?=C2=A0Alex Thomson=
=C2=A0From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
dave
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 7:51 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [TR] TR6 starter=C2=A0This is a high torque starter that I just pu=
lled out of my TR6.=C2=A0 There was a lot of stinky smoke.=C2=A0Anyone have=
 any idea what caused this?=C2=A0 or seen anything like this before?=C2=A0 =
It must be about 10 or even 15 years old.=C2=A0 No more than 10k miles ago.=
=C2=A0I started the car the other day; it was in the mid 20=E2=80=99s.=C2=
=A0 let it idle for probably 10 or 15 minutes.=C2=A0 Drove a few miles and =
smelled it.=C2=A0 pulled off and popped the hood.=C2=A0 Lots of smoke comin=
g out.=C2=A0Towed it home and ordered a new starter.** [email-masked].=
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<div> <font size=3D"3">Actually that's the motor.&nbsp; If you look closely=
 you can see the commutator.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Yes you'd think you would hear that but we don't know=
 how loud is exhaust is.</font><br>
</div>

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</div>

<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
<br>
</div>

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 size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: dave &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: [email-masked]<br>
Sent: Sun, Feb 14, 2021 8:29 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 starter<br>
<br>

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<div>Thats the solenoid.&nbsp; I'm pretty sure it fried.&nbsp; &nbsp;Nothin=
g else looks amiss.&nbsp; But it could have stuck. No way of knowing
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

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<div style=3D"font-size:100%;color:#000000;" align=3D"left">
<div>-------- Original message --------</div>

<div>From: Alex &amp; Janet Thomson &lt;[email-masked]&gt; </div>

<div>Date: 2/14/21  7:46 PM  (GMT-06:00) </div>

<div>To: 'dave' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;, [email-masked] </div>

<div>Subject: RE: [TR] TR6 starter </div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0533594454WordSection1">
<div class=3D"yiv0533594454MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color=
:#1F497D;">Uh Oh! The smoke came out of the wires! I don=E2=80=99t want to =
make fun of the situation but could it be a sticking starter that never dis=
engaged? But usually, you would think that you would hear that. What condit=
ion were the battery cables in? Did they show signs of overheating?</span><=
/div>

<div class=3D"yiv0533594454MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color=
:#1F497D;">&nbsp;</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv0533594454MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color=
:#1F497D;">Alex Thomson</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv0533594454MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color=
:#1F497D;">&nbsp;</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv0533594454MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">=
From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> Triumphs [mailto:triumph=
[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>dave<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sen=
t:</b> Sunday, February 14, 2021 7:51 PM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> trium=
[email-masked]<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> [TR] TR6 starter</span=
</div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0533594454MsoNormal">&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0533594454MsoNormal">This is a high torque starter that I =
just pulled out of my TR6.&nbsp; There was a lot of stinky smoke.</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0533594454MsoNormal">&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0533594454MsoNormal">Anyone have any idea what caused this=
?&nbsp; or seen anything like this before?&nbsp; It must be about 10 or eve=
n 15 years old.&nbsp; No more than 10k miles ago.</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0533594454MsoNormal">&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0533594454MsoNormal">I started the car the other day; it w=
as in the mid 20=E2=80=99s.&nbsp; let it idle for probably 10 or 15 minutes=
.&nbsp; Drove a few miles and smelled it.&nbsp; pulled off and popped the h=
ood.&nbsp; Lots of smoke coming out.</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0533594454MsoNormal">&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0533594454MsoNormal">Towed it home and ordered a new start=
er.</div>
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