Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight round Connection

From: Paul Tegler <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 22:42:27 -0500

a typical 55W high beam headlamp =    55W / 13.5V = 4.07 Amps x2 = 8.14 
amps for both lights (give or take....)

Your stock alt should be fine while driving. BUT  The typical Lucas 26 
amp alternator though, is notorious for dropping out of regulation at an 
idle which does pull more current (55W / 12V = 4.5A. )

Unless your stuck on being super' original'...find a Bosch alt 
replacement. ('78 fiesta?) The stock Lucas connector will plug right in.

jfft

ptegler

On 2/11/2021 10:20 PM, WILLIAM SMITH wrote:
> Thanks to everyone who responded with possible answers and 
> recommendations.  As usual, I believe Dave Massey was spot-on with the 
> '72 headlight ground connection being a push-on connector attached to 
> the inner side of the front valance.  As my car is not back yet from 
> the body shop (long story/TMI), I can't actually test that connection 
> until I get it back.  However, I do have the original valance and 
> spotted the tab for the connector after Dave mentioned it in his reply 
> --- thanks Dave!   If cleaning that ground connection doesn't brighten 
> the lights, I'll have to probe further.
>
> As for those who suggested the headlight relay kit, I've been toying 
> with that idea for a while, so thanks for reminding me.  As the 
> original headlights were never bright enough, I was thinking of doing 
> the relay with a set of halogen sealed beams. Oh, and that would 
> probably call for an alternator upgrade, as well.  It never ends😊
>
> Bill Smith
>
> '72 TR6
>
> '80 TR7
>
>
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 12:52:41 +0000 (UTC)

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=20

 It never ends=F0=9F=98=8A
 So true, so true.
BTW, the sealed beam halogens I've seen don't use any more power than stock=
 headlights, they just put out more light.=C2=A0 They do a pretty good job =
and are quite reasonable in price.=C2=A0 At one point I bought a pair of ch=
eap headlights with separate bulbs (not a name brand like Cibe or Hella) an=
d the performance was poor.=C2=A0 I even fit 100W bulbs.=C2=A0 I replaced t=
hose with hardware store sealed beam halogens with the stock 40/45W filamen=
ts and the difference was remarkable.=C2=A0 Why?=C2=A0 The reflector is a c=
ritical part of the light projection system and that is just what a headlig=
ht is, a light projector.=C2=A0 It projects the light in a particular patte=
rn to optimize visibility.=C2=A0 Just throwing out a bunch of light at rand=
om doesn't necessarily put it where you want it and will blind on-coming tr=
affic.
But you won't NEED to upgrade the alternator if you go with sealed beam hal=
ogen headlights but if you WANT to upgrade, have at it.
Enjoy
=20
Dave=20

=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: WILLIAM SMITH <[email-masked]>
To: Triumph List <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Feb 11, 2021 9:20 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight round Connection

Thanks to everyone who responded with possible answers and=20
recommendations.=C2=A0 As usual, I believe Dave Massey was spot-on with the=
=20
'72 headlight ground connection being a push-on connector attached to=20
the inner side of the front valance.=C2=A0 As my car is not back yet from t=
he=20
body shop (long story/TMI), I can't actually test that connection until=20
I get it back.=C2=A0 However, I do have the original valance and spotted th=
e=20
tab for the connector after Dave mentioned it in his reply --- thanks=20
Dave! =C2=A0 If cleaning that ground connection doesn't brighten the lights=
,=20
I'll have to probe further.

As for those who suggested the headlight relay kit, I've been toying=20
with that idea for a while, so thanks for reminding me.=C2=A0 As the origin=
al=20
headlights were never bright enough, I was thinking of doing the relay=20
with a set of halogen sealed beams. Oh, and that would probably call for=20
an alternator upgrade, as well.=C2=A0 It never ends=F0=9F=98=8A

Bill Smith

'72 TR6

'80 TR7

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</div>

<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><bloc=
kquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid blue; padding-left: 3px;"> It never =
ends=F0=9F=98=8A</blockquote></div>

<div> <font size=3D"3">So true, so true.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">BTW, the sealed beam halogens I've seen don't use any=
 more power than stock headlights, they just put out more light.&nbsp; They=
 do a pretty good job and are quite reasonable in price.&nbsp; At one point=
 I bought a pair of cheap headlights with separate bulbs (not a name brand =
like Cibe or Hella) and the performance was poor.&nbsp; I even fit 100W bul=
bs.&nbsp; I replaced those with hardware store sealed beam halogens with th=
e stock 40/45W filaments and the difference was remarkable.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp=
; The reflector is a critical part of the light projection system and that =
is just what a headlight is, a light projector.&nbsp; It projects the light=
 in a particular pattern to optimize visibility.&nbsp; Just throwing out a =
bunch of light at random doesn't necessarily put it where you want it and w=
ill blind on-coming traffic.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">But you won't NEED to upgrade the alternator if you g=
o with sealed beam halogen headlights but if you WANT to upgrade, have at i=
t.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Enjoy</font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
<br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

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 size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: WILLIAM SMITH &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Triumph List &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Thu, Feb 11, 2021 9:20 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight round Connection<br>
<br>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks to everyone who responded with possible answers and=
 <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">recommendations.&nbsp; As usual, I believe Dave Massey was=
 spot-on with the <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">'72 headlight ground connection being a push-on connector =
attached to <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">the inner side of the front valance.&nbsp; As my car is no=
t back yet from the <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">body shop (long story/TMI), I can't actually test that con=
nection until <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">I get it back.&nbsp; However, I do have the original valan=
ce and spotted the <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">tab for the connector after Dave mentioned it in his reply=
 --- thanks <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Dave! &nbsp; If cleaning that ground connection doesn't br=
ighten the lights, <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">I'll have to probe further.<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">As for those who suggested the headlight relay kit, I've b=
een toying <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">with that idea for a while, so thanks for reminding me.&nb=
sp; As the original <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">headlights were never bright enough, I was thinking of doi=
ng the relay <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">with a set of halogen sealed beams. Oh, and that would pro=
bably call for <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">an alternator upgrade, as well.&nbsp; It never ends=F0=9F=
=98=8A<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Bill Smith<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">'72 TR6<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">'80 TR7<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
</font></div>
</div>

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From: John Linney <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 10:33:01 -0800

I have sealed beams and relays on my TR4. The generator copes just fine and the lights are bright. 

> On Feb 11, 2021, at 7:23 PM, WILLIAM SMITH <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> Thanks to everyone who responded with possible answers and recommendations.  As usual, I believe Dave Massey was spot-on with the '72 headlight ground connection being a push-on connector attached to the inner side of the front valance.  As my car is not back yet from the body shop (long story/TMI), I can't actually test that connection until I get it back.  However, I do have the original valance and spotted the tab for the connector after Dave mentioned it in his reply --- thanks Dave!   If cleaning that ground connection doesn't brighten the lights, I'll have to probe further.
> 
> As for those who suggested the headlight relay kit, I've been toying with that idea for a while, so thanks for reminding me.  As the original headlights were never bright enough, I was thinking of doing the relay with a set of halogen sealed beams. Oh, and that would probably call for an alternator upgrade, as well.  It never ends😊
> 
> Bill Smith
> 
> '72 TR6
> 
> '80 TR7
> 
> 
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