Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A SU Damper oil leak

From: Alex M <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 10:30:32 -0500

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Thanks. I know there is a hole in the damper cap to allow for over filling b=
ut there is no oil coming out from there or I would be wiping the domes. I f=
ill to the inside collar line and it is a routine check point if sitting for=
 a week or two. They always require more. There is some oil in there and I k=
now for perfection both carbs should have equal amounts within reason. For t=
he life of me cannot see where it is going. There=E2=80=99s no way it can ge=
t through to the needle. I have pulled the pistons and they are clean that s=
aid there is light clean oil on the adjustment area at the bottom of the car=
bs. This all started with me getting back firing and sputtering. My thoughts=
 being the pistons (carbs) were not moving properly. Needless to say I check=
ed the distributor side wires...points etc. it=E2=80=99s getting to the poin=
t that the problem is above my pay grade. Ugggg. Thanks to all.=20

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2020, at 10:16 AM, DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Oh, and the Stromberg's used on the TR6 DO have an O-ring seal at the bott=
om.  If that O-ring deteriorates the oil will leak out.  The SU's are a diff=
erent animal.
>=20
> Dave=20
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>
> To: Italyfound <[email-masked]>
> Cc: *Triumphs List <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2020 7:34 am
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A SU Damper oil leak
>=20
> Alex,  my recollection of the TR3 SUs is that there is nowhere for oil to g=
o.
>=20
> One way one might suspect a leak is if the damper is overfilled... then th=
e excess will work out and the level go down.
>=20
> Geo
>=20
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 5:33 PM Italyfound <[email-masked]> wrote:
> Quick question=E2=80=A6. I am losing damper oil which appears to be showin=
g up at the bottom of the Jet assy. Looking at the Moss catalog diagram of t=
he su for a TR3..there is a part named seal cork with a replacement called 0=
-ring (leak free replacement. Could this be the cause of my leak=E2=80=A6ope=
n to any and all suggestions.
> =20
> Also=E2=80=A6would the lack of adequate oil in the damper cause the engine=
 to sputter and backfire?
> Thanks,
> Alex Manzo
> 59 TR3A
> 72 TR6
> =20
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Thanks. I know there is a hole in the dampe=
r cap to allow for over filling but there is no oil coming out from there or=
 I would be wiping the domes. I fill to the inside collar line and it is a r=
outine check point if sitting for a week or two. They always require more. T=
here is some oil in there and I know for perfection both carbs should have e=
qual amounts within reason. For the life of me cannot see where it is going.=
 There=E2=80=99s no way it can get through to the needle. I have pulled the p=
istons and they are clean that said there is light clean oil on the adjustme=
nt area at the bottom of the carbs. This all started with me getting back fi=
ring and sputtering. My thoughts being the pistons (carbs) were not moving p=
roperly. Needless to say I checked the distributor side wires...points etc. i=
t=E2=80=99s getting to the point that the problem is above my pay grade. Ugg=
gg. Thanks to all.&nbsp;<div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Nov 30, 2020, at 10:16=
 AM, DAVID MASSEY &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></di=
v><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<div style=3D"color:black;font: 12pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div> <font size=3D"3">Oh, and the Stromberg's used on the TR6 DO have an O-=
ring seal at the bottom.&nbsp; If that O-ring deteriorates the oil will leak=
 out.&nbsp; The SU's are a different animal.</font><br>
</div>

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<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
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From: Geo Hahn &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Italyfound &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: *Triumphs List &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2020 7:34 am<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A SU Damper oil leak<br>
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<div><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">Alex,&nbsp; my recollection of t=
he TR3 SUs is that there is nowhere for oil to go.</span>
<div style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;"><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">One way one might suspect a leak is i=
f the damper is overfilled... then the excess will work out and the level go=
 down.</div>

<div style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;"><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">Geo</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv2101811018m_-7897000471767631475WordSection1">
<div class=3D"yiv2101811018MsoNormal">Quick question=E2=80=A6. I am losing d=
amper oil which appears to be showing up at the bottom of the Jet assy. Look=
ing at the Moss catalog diagram of the su for a TR3..there is a part named s=
eal cork with a replacement called 0-ring (leak free replacement. Could this=
 be the cause of my leak=E2=80=A6open to any and all suggestions.</div>

<div class=3D"yiv2101811018MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></div>

<div class=3D"yiv2101811018MsoNormal">Also=E2=80=A6would the lack of adequat=
e oil in the damper cause the engine to sputter and backfire? </div>

<div class=3D"yiv2101811018MsoNormal">Thanks,</div>

<div class=3D"yiv2101811018MsoNormal">Alex Manzo</div>

<div class=3D"yiv2101811018MsoNormal">59 TR3A</div>

<div class=3D"yiv2101811018MsoNormal">72 TR6</div>

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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 15:52:11 +0000 (UTC)

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When you reinstall the damper insert you displace the oil and it will then =
be above the top of the piston cavity.=C2=A0 The excess will run down betwe=
en the stationary part and the moving part.=C2=A0 This is a good thing as i=
t will lubricate those parts.=C2=A0 But you only need to so this every 3,00=
0 miles or so.=C2=A0 The lift the piston is the best way to ensure you have=
 enough for the damper to be in working order.=C2=A0=20
=20
Dave=20

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alex M <[email-masked]>
To: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2020 9:30 am
Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A SU Damper oil leak

Thanks. I know there is a hole in the damper cap to allow for over filling =
but there is no oil coming out from there or I would be wiping the domes. I=
 fill to the inside collar line and it is a routine check point if sitting =
for a week or two. They always require more. There is some oil in there and=
 I know for perfection both carbs should have equal amounts within reason. =
For the life of me cannot see where it is going. There=E2=80=99s no way it =
can get through to the needle. I have pulled the pistons and they are clean=
 that said there is light clean oil on the adjustment area at the bottom of=
 the carbs. This all started with me getting back firing and sputtering. My=
 thoughts being the pistons (carbs) were not moving properly. Needless to s=
ay I checked the distributor side wires...points etc. it=E2=80=99s getting =
to the point that the problem is above my pay grade. Ugggg. Thanks to all.=
=C2=A0
Sent from my iPhone

=EF=BB=BF Oh, and the Stromberg's used on the TR6 DO have an O-ring seal at=
 the bottom.=C2=A0 If that O-ring deteriorates the oil will leak out.=C2=A0=
 The SU's are a different animal.
=20
Dave=20

=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>
To: Italyfound <[email-masked]>
Cc: *Triumphs List <[email-masked]>
Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2020 7:34 am
Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A SU Damper oil leak

Alex,=C2=A0 my recollection of the TR3 SUs is that there is nowhere for oil=
 to go.
One way one might suspect a leak is if the damper is overfilled... then the=
 excess will work out and the level go down.
Geo
On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 5:33 PM Italyfound <[email-masked]> wrote:

Quick question=E2=80=A6. I am losing damper oil which appears to be showing=
 up at the bottom of the Jet assy. Looking at the Moss catalog diagram of t=
he su for a TR3..there is a part named seal cork with a replacement called =
0-ring (leak free replacement. Could this be the cause of my leak=E2=80=A6o=
pen to any and all suggestions.=C2=A0Also=E2=80=A6would the lack of adequat=
e oil in the damper cause the engine to sputter and backfire? Thanks,Alex M=
anzo59 TR3A72 TR6=C2=A0Sent from Mail for Windows 10=C2=A0** triumphs@autox=
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<div style=3D"color:black;font: 12pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div><font size=3D"3">When you reinstall the damper insert you displace the=
 oil and it will then be above the top of the piston cavity.&nbsp; The exce=
ss will run down between the stationary part and the moving part.&nbsp; Thi=
s is a good thing as it will lubricate those parts.&nbsp; But you only need=
 to so this every 3,000 miles or so.&nbsp; The lift the piston is the best =
way to ensure you have enough for the damper to be in working order.&nbsp; =
</font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

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<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----=
Original Message-----<br>
From: Alex M &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: DAVID MASSEY &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: [email-masked]; [email-masked]<br>
Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2020 9:30 am<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A SU Damper oil leak<br>
<br>

<div id=3D"yiv5197579626">
<div>Thanks. I know there is a hole in the damper cap to allow for over fil=
ling but there is no oil coming out from there or I would be wiping the dom=
es. I fill to the inside collar line and it is a routine check point if sit=
ting for a week or two. They always require more. There is some oil in ther=
e and I know for perfection both carbs should have equal amounts within rea=
son. For the life of me cannot see where it is going. There=E2=80=99s no wa=
y it can get through to the needle. I have pulled the pistons and they are =
clean that said there is light clean oil on the adjustment area at the bott=
om of the carbs. This all started with me getting back firing and sputterin=
g. My thoughts being the pistons (carbs) were not moving properly. Needless=
 to say I checked the distributor side wires...points etc. it=E2=80=99s get=
ting to the point that the problem is above my pay grade. Ugggg. Thanks to =
all.&nbsp;
<div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>

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<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

<div style=3D"color:black;font:12pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">

<div> <font size=3D"3">Oh, and the Stromberg's used on the TR6 DO have an O=
-ring seal at the bottom.&nbsp; If that O-ring deteriorates the oil will le=
ak out.&nbsp; The SU's are a different animal.</font><br clear=3D"none">
</div>

<div> <br clear=3D"none">
</div>

<div style=3D"clear:both;"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br clear=3D"none">
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<div>

<div><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">Alex,&nbsp; my recollection of=
 the TR3 SUs is that there is nowhere for oil to go.</span>

<div style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">One way one might suspect a leak is =
if the damper is overfilled... then the excess will work out and the level =
go down.</div>

</div>

<br clear=3D"none">

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33 PM Italyfound &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:i=
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<div lang=3D"EN-US">

<div class=3D"yiv5197579626m_-7897000471767631475WordSection1">

<div class=3D"yiv5197579626MsoNormal">Quick question=E2=80=A6. I am losing =
damper oil which appears to be showing up at the bottom of the Jet assy. Lo=
oking at the Moss catalog diagram of the su for a TR3..there is a part name=
d seal cork with a replacement called 0-ring (leak free replacement. Could =
this be the cause of my leak=E2=80=A6open to any and all suggestions.</div>

<div class=3D"yiv5197579626MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5197579626MsoNormal">Also=E2=80=A6would the lack of adequa=
te oil in the damper cause the engine to sputter and backfire? </div>

<div class=3D"yiv5197579626MsoNormal">Thanks,</div>

<div class=3D"yiv5197579626MsoNormal">Alex Manzo</div>

<div class=3D"yiv5197579626MsoNormal">59 TR3A</div>

<div class=3D"yiv5197579626MsoNormal">72 TR6</div>

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