Subject: [TR] 4 cylinder oil seal

From: JOSEPH MATO <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 20:14:32 +0000 (UTC)

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I thought they were supposed to leak oil! TRF has it for $185, $ 225 with t=
he centering tool. A German TR 4 racer designed itand it's Vitron with no m=
achining required. (HP596)Joe Mato62 Wood RoadRedding, CT 06896917 232 1555=
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=C2=A0 1. sumbeam Tiger (Ron L'Herault)
=C2=A0 2. Scroll less seal fix (Bob Nogueira)
=C2=A0 3. Re: Scroll less seal fix (Bob)
=C2=A0 4. Re: Scroll less seal fix (DAVID MASSEY)
=C2=A0 5. Re: Scroll less seal fix (DAVE HOGYE)
=C2=A0 6. Re: Scroll less seal fix (bill beecher)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 16:15:59 -0500
From: "Ron L'Herault" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Subject: [TR] sumbeam Tiger

A friend into American cars has just gotten a Sunbeam.=C2=A0 It's basically=
 I
Tiger I believe but the engine has been replaced.=C2=A0 I've sent him the s=
ign
up stuff from autox.team.net for Tigers but in the mean time, he's looking
for the fuses.=C2=A0 Are they in the engine compartment?=C2=A0 Anyone know?

Thanks,

RonL=20

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 15:37:51 +0000
From: Bob Nogueira <[email-masked]>
To: Triumph List <[email-masked]>
Subject: [TR] Scroll less seal fix
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Some time in the recent past I thought I read that Moss Motors was offering=
 a optional Rear seal for those of us who years ago Machined off the scroll=
 to use the ?New? seal only to find out the instructions had=C2=A0 the new =
surface too small.
I didn?t pay it much attention that crank was in the attic. Well With the f=
ailure of my current crank I am now forced to use it or find another crank.
Can?t find anything on Moss website. Anyone know about the replacement seal=
?
Thanks

Bob Nogueira
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 11:12:44 -0500
From: Bob <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] Scroll less seal fix

Bob,

I dropped off 4 cranks at: https://britishautosalvage.com/index.html a=20
few months ago. They will all need machining but there were no cracks.=20
He is located a bit east of Rochester NY. 3 cranks had the timing chain=20
sprocket.

I also think there is a replacement seal that uses the current crank.=20
Cant remember who sells it but many will reply to your query I am sure.

Bob

On 11/21/20 10:37 AM, Bob Nogueira wrote:
> Some time in the recent past I thought I read that Moss Motors was=20
> offering a optional Rear seal for those of us who years ago Machined=20
> off the scroll to use the ?New? seal only to find out the instructions=20
> had ?the new surface too small.
> I didn?t pay it much attention that crank was in the attic. Well With=20
> the failure of my current crank I am now forced to use it or find=20
> another crank.
> Can?t find anything on Moss website. Anyone know about the replacement=20
> seal?
> Thanks
>
>
> Bob Nogueira
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 16:42:23 +0000 (UTC)
From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [TR] Scroll less seal fix

 OUCH!
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Nogueira <[email-masked]>
To: Triumph List <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2020 9:37 am
Subject: [TR] Scroll less seal fix

 Some time in the recent past I thought I read that Moss Motors was offerin=
g a optional Rear seal for those of us who years ago Machined off the scrol=
l to use the ?New? seal only to find out the instructions had ?the new surf=
ace too small.I didn?t pay it much attention that crank was in the attic. W=
ell With the failure of my current crank I am now forced to use it or find =
another crank.Can?t find anything on Moss website. Anyone know about the re=
placement seal?Thanks?

Bob Nogueira?** [email-masked] **

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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 09:09:37 -0800 (PST)
From: DAVE HOGYE <[email-masked]>
To: Bob <[email-masked]>, [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] Scroll less seal fix

Yes, with the latest rear seal design, no crankshaft machining is necessary=
.=C2=A0 It incorporates the scroll along with a Viton seal.=C2=A0 I think a=
ll of the BMC suppliers are selling it now.
Dave H.=20

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 On 11/21/2020 8:12 AM Bob <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bob,
>=20
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I dropped off 4 cranks at: https://britishautosalvage.com/in=
dex.html a few months ago. They will all need machining but there were no c=
racks. He is located a bit east of Rochester NY. 3 cranks had the timing ch=
ain sprocket.
>=20
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I also think there is a replacement seal that uses the curre=
nt crank. Cant remember who sells it but many will reply to your query I am=
 sure.
>=20
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bob
>=20
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 On 11/21/20 10:37 AM, Bob Nogueira wrote:
>=20
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > > Some time in the recent past I thought I r=
ead that Moss Motors was offering a optional Rear seal for those of us who =
years ago Machined off the scroll to use the ?New? seal only to find out th=
e instructions had=C2=A0 the new surface too small.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I didn?t pay it much attention that crank wa=
s in the attic. Well With the failure of my current crank I am now forced t=
o use it or find another crank.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Can?t find anything on Moss website. Anyone =
know about the replacement seal?
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks=20
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 12:24:13 -0600
From: bill beecher <[email-masked]>
To: DAVE HOGYE <[email-masked]>
Cc: Bob <[email-masked]>, [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] Scroll less seal fix

Joe Alexander can help you with the new Viton seal.=C2=A0 Just installed on=
e a few months ago, easy peasey.=C2=A0 =C2=A0=20

Years ago put the old style, latest and greatest, seal in that needed machi=
ning.=C2=A0 What I remember about that car is that it leaked less than befo=
re.=C2=A0=20

Bill=20
TS30800L=C2=A0=20

#dontkillgrandma

On Nov 21, 2020, at 11:19 AM, DAVE HOGYE <[email-masked]> wrote:

?
Yes, with the latest rear seal design, no crankshaft machining is necessary=
.=C2=A0 It incorporates the scroll along with a Viton seal.=C2=A0 I think a=
ll of the BMC suppliers are selling it now.
Dave H.=20
> On 11/21/2020 8:12 AM Bob <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=C2=A0=20
>=C2=A0=20
> Bob,
>=20
> I dropped off 4 cranks at: https://britishautosalvage.com/index.html a fe=
w months ago. They will all need machining but there were no cracks. He is =
located a bit east of Rochester NY. 3 cranks had the timing chain sprocket.
>=20
> I also think there is a replacement seal that uses the current crank. Can=
t remember who sells it but many will reply to your query I am sure.
>=20
> Bob
>=20
> On 11/21/20 10:37 AM, Bob Nogueira wrote:
>> Some time in the recent past I thought I read that Moss Motors was offer=
ing a optional Rear seal for those of us who years ago Machined off the scr=
oll to use the ?New? seal only to find out the instructions had=C2=A0 the n=
ew surface too small.
>> I didn?t pay it much attention that crank was in the attic. Well With th=
e failure of my current crank I am now forced to use it or find another cra=
nk.
>> Can?t find anything on Moss website. Anyone know about the replacement s=
eal?
>> Thanks=20
>>=C2=A0=20
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=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></div><div =
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lieve but the engine has been replaced.&nbsp;  I've sent him the sign<br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">up stuff from autox.team.net for Tigers but in the mea=
n time, he's looking<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">for the fuses.&nbsp; Are the=
y in the engine compartment?&nbsp; Anyone know?<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks,<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div =
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div><div dir=3D"ltr">Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 15:37:51 +0000<br></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr">From: Bob Nogueira &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=
=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr">To: Triumph List &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" r=
el=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: [TR] Scroll less seal fix<br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]=
utlook.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">SN6PR17MB22237F4472BEDC97E76=
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plain; charset=3D"utf-8"<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r">Some time in the recent past I thought I read that Moss Motors was offer=
ing a optional Rear seal for those of us who years ago Machined off the scr=
oll to use the ?New? seal only to find out the instructions had&nbsp; the n=
ew surface too small.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I didn?t pay it much attent=
ion that crank was in the attic. Well With the failure of my current crank =
I am now forced to use it or find another crank.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
Can?t find anything on Moss website. Anyone know about the replacement seal=
?<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div=
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ilto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@a=
utox.team.net</a><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] Scroll less s=
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r=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I dropped off 4 cranks at: <a href=3D"=
https://britishautosalvage.com/index.html " rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_bla=
nk">https://britishautosalvage.com/index.html </a>a <br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">few months ago. They will all need machining but there were no cracks. =
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">He is located a bit east of Rochester NY. 3 cran=
ks had the timing chain <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">sprocket.<br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I also think there is a replacement =
seal that uses the current crank. <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Cant remember =
who sells it but many will reply to your query I am sure.<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">On 11/21/20 10:37 AM, Bob Nogueira wrote:<br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">&gt; Some time in the recent past I thought I read that Moss Mot=
ors was <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; offering a optional Rear seal for t=
hose of us who years ago Machined <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; off the s=
croll to use the ?New? seal only to find out the instructions <br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">&gt; had ?the new surface too small.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
">&gt; I didn?t pay it much attention that crank was in the attic. Well Wit=
h <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; the failure of my current crank I am now =
forced to use it or find <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; another crank.<br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Can?t find anything on Moss website. Anyone kno=
w about the replacement <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; seal?<br></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Thanks<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Bob Nogueira<br></div><div dir=
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 dir=3D"ltr">From: DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" r=
el=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">To: "<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" tar=
get=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nogera@hotmail=
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iv><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>" &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_bla=
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[TR] Scroll less seal fix<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Message-ID: &lt;<a href=
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r></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"<br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"> OUCH!<br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Dave <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">--=
---Original Message-----<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">From: Bob Nogueira &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">nog=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">To: Triumph List &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">T=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent: Sat, Nov 21,=
 2020 9:37 am<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: [TR] Scroll less seal fix<=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"> Some time in the rece=
nt past I thought I read that Moss Motors was offering a optional Rear seal=
 for those of us who years ago Machined off the scroll to use the ?New? sea=
l only to find out the instructions had ?the new surface too small.I didn?t=
 pay it much attention that crank was in the attic. Well With the failure o=
f my current crank I am now forced to use it or find another crank.Can?t fi=
nd anything on Moss website. Anyone know about the replacement seal?Thanks?=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Nogueira?** <a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">tr=
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iv dir=3D"ltr">Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 09:09:37 -0800 (PST)<br></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr">From: DAVE HOGYE &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=
=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">To: Bob &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofo=
llow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;, <a href=3D"mailto:tr=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
am.net</a><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] Scroll less seal fix=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Message-ID: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:653605460.2056=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">653=
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"ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, with the latest rear seal design, no crank=
shaft machining is necessary.&nbsp; It incorporates the scroll along with a=
 Viton seal.&nbsp; I think all of the BMC suppliers are selling it now.<br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Dave H. <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr">&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  On 11/21/2020 8:12 AM Bob &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">yellowtr@adelph=
ia.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  Bob,<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  I dropped off 4=
 cranks at: <a href=3D"https://britishautosalvage.com/index.html " rel=3D"n=
ofollow" target=3D"_blank">https://britishautosalvage.com/index.html </a>a =
few months ago. They will all need machining but there were no cracks. He i=
s located a bit east of Rochester NY. 3 cranks had the timing chain sprocke=
t.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&nbsp; &nb=
sp;  I also think there is a replacement seal that uses the current crank. =
Cant remember who sells it but many will reply to your query I am sure.<br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  B=
ob<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&nbsp; &nb=
sp;  On 11/21/20 10:37 AM, Bob Nogueira wrote:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&g=
t; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  &gt; &gt; So=
me time in the recent past I thought I read that Moss Motors was offering a=
 optional Rear seal for those of us who years ago Machined off the scroll t=
o use the ?New? seal only to find out the instructions had&nbsp; the new su=
rface too small.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; &gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &n=
bsp;  I didn?t pay it much attention that crank was in the attic. Well With=
 the failure of my current crank I am now forced to use it or find another =
crank.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; &gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  Can?=
t find anything on Moss website. Anyone know about the replacement seal?<br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; &gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  Thanks <br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; &gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; &gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; &gt;&nbsp; &nbsp=
; &nbsp; &nbsp;  Bob Nogueira <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; &gt; <br></di=
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 6<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 12:24:13 -0600<br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">From: bill beecher &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:notakitcar@yahoo=
.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">To: DAVE HOGYE &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
et" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">Cc: Bob &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=
=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;, <a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@=
autox.team.net</a><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] Scroll less =
seal fix<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Message-ID: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:44048C=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"<br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Joe Alexander can help you with the new Vito=
n seal.&nbsp; Just installed one a few months ago, easy peasey.&nbsp; &nbsp=
; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Years ago put the o=
ld style, latest and greatest, seal in that needed machining.&nbsp; What I =
remember about that car is that it leaked less than before.&nbsp; <br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bill <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
">TS30800L&nbsp; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">#dontkillgrandma<br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">On Nov 21, 2020, at 11:19 AM, =
DAVE HOGYE &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" targ=
et=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">?<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, with the latest=
 rear seal design, no crankshaft machining is necessary.&nbsp; It incorpora=
tes the scroll along with a Viton seal.&nbsp; I think all of the BMC suppli=
ers are selling it now.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Dave H. <br></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr">&gt; On 11/21/2020 8:12 AM Bob &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yellowtr@ade=
lphia.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&nbsp; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt=
;&nbsp; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Bob,<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;=
 <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; I dropped off 4 cranks at: <a href=3D"http=
s://britishautosalvage.com/index.html " rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">=
https://britishautosalvage.com/index.html </a>a few months ago. They will a=
ll need machining but there were no cracks. He is located a bit east of Roc=
hester NY. 3 cranks had the timing chain sprocket.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; I also think there is a replacement =
seal that uses the current crank. Cant remember who sells it but many will =
reply to your query I am sure.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Bob<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">&gt; On 11/21/20 10:37 AM, Bob Nogueira wrote:<br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">&gt;&gt; Some time in the recent past I thought I read that Moss Motors=
 was offering a optional Rear seal for those of us who years ago Machined o=
ff the scroll to use the ?New? seal only to find out the instructions had&n=
bsp; the new surface too small.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt; I didn?t=
 pay it much attention that crank was in the attic. Well With the failure o=
f my current crank I am now forced to use it or find another crank.<br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt; Can?t find anything on Moss website. Anyone kno=
w about the replacement seal?<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt; Thanks <br=
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 Hi Ron,
Is he sure it's not an Sunbeam Alpine?=C2=A0 I drove a '67 Alpine.=C2=A0 Sa=
me bodies, but Tiger had the V8 engine.=C2=A0 There's also a difference bet=
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>[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">To: &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs=
@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: [TR] sumbeam Tig=
er<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Message-ID: &lt;002101d6bf82$583154d0$0893fe70=
$@net&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Content-Type: text/plain;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp; charset=3D"us-ascii"<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">A friend into American cars has just gotten a Sunbeam.&nbsp; It's basic=
ally I<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Tiger I believe but the engine has been re=
placed.&nbsp;  I've sent him the sign<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">up stuff fr=
om autox.team.net for Tigers but in the mean time, he's looking<br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">for the fuses.&nbsp; Are they in the engine compartment?&nbs=
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There are major differences between the Alpine and the Tiger.  The metalwork inside the engine compartment is massively different to accommodate the V8 engine and if memory serves (it has been 52 years since I converted an Alpine to a Tiger) the electrical system of the Alpine is 6 volt whereas the Tiger is 12 Volt.  Also, the suspension is significantly different with the Tiger having a Panhard bar in the rear.

That said, there are a great many cars posing as Tigers that started life as an Alpine.  Many are virtually indistinguishable from a real Tiger and many are just superficial.  The original VIN number will reveal the difference.

> On November 21, 2020 at 5:04 PM Ann Carletta <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
>      
>     Hi Ron,
> 
>     Is he sure it's not an Sunbeam Alpine?  I drove a '67 Alpine.  Same bodies, but Tiger had the V8 engine.  There's also a difference between MKI and II.  
> 
>     Comparing Sunbeam Tigers: Mk I vs. Mk II | Articles | Classic Motorsports https://classicmotorsports.com/articles/comparing-sunbeam-tigers-mk-i-vs-mk-ii/
> 
>       	
>      
>       	
>     The Sunbeam Tiger is a great collector car in either generation, an offbeat Cobra alternative.
> 
> 
>     Ann
>     1960 TR3A
>     1965 Daimler V8 2.5L
>     2012 Jaguar, XF
> 
>     Message: 1
>     From: "Ron L'Herault" <[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked] >
>     To: <[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked] >
>     Message-ID: <002101d6bf82$583154d0$0893fe70$@net>
>     Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
>     A friend into American cars has just gotten a Sunbeam.  It's basically I
>     Tiger I believe but the engine has been replaced.  I've sent him the sign
>     for the fuses.  Are they in the engine compartment?  Anyone know?
> 
>     Thanks,
> 
>     RonL
> 
> 
> 
> 
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  <p>There are major differences between the Alpine and the Tiger.&nbsp; The metalwork inside the engine compartment is massively different to accommodate the V8 engine and if memory serves (it has been 52 years since I converted an Alpine to a Tiger) the electrical system of the Alpine is 6 volt whereas the Tiger is 12 Volt.&nbsp; Also, the suspension is significantly different with the Tiger having a Panhard bar in the rear.<br><br>That said, there are a great many cars posing as Tigers that started life as an Alpine.&nbsp; Many are virtually indistinguishable from a real Tiger and many are just superficial.&nbsp; The original VIN number will reveal the difference.</p>
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     <span style="color: #26282a; font-size: 13px;">Is he sure it's not an Sunbeam Alpine?&nbsp; I drove a '67 Alpine.&nbsp; Same bodies, but Tiger had the V8 engine.&nbsp; There's also a difference between MKI and II.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>
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       Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 16:15:59 -0500 
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       From: "Ron L'Herault" &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank" rel="noopener">[email-masked]</a>&gt; 
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       To: &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank" rel="noopener">[email-masked]</a>&gt; 
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       Subject: [TR] sumbeam Tiger 
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       Message-ID: &lt;002101d6bf82$583154d0$0893fe70$@net&gt; 
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       A friend into American cars has just gotten a Sunbeam.&nbsp; It's basically I 
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       Tiger I believe but the engine has been replaced.&nbsp; I've sent him the sign 
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