Subject: [TR] Spitfire question

From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2020 14:35:07 +0000 (UTC)

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 A friend of mine must be desperate since he is asking me for advice about =
his Spitfire and I have almost no experience with those.=C2=A0 He is workin=
g on reassembling the rear trunion.=C2=A0 There is a plastic bushing on eit=
her side that is hat shaped.=C2=A0 There are two cupped washers and a rubbe=
r seal.=C2=A0 The bushing, sleeve and cupped washers are all self evident.=
=C2=A0 My question is about the rubber seal.=C2=A0 I'm thinking this seal n=
eeds to go on the OD of the hat section of the bushing but it seems to be a=
bout 1/4 inch (6mm) too small in diameter to fit around it and trying to st=
retch it and keep it in place is an exercise in aggravation.
What has been the experience of those here who have done this and what reco=
mmendations have you?
Thanks in advance.
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Dave=20

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<div> <font size="3">A friend of mine must be desperate since he is asking me for advice about his Spitfire and I have almost no experience with those.&nbsp; He is working on reassembling the rear trunion.&nbsp; There is a plastic bushing on either side that is hat shaped.&nbsp; There are two cupped washers and a rubber seal.&nbsp; The bushing, sleeve and cupped washers are all self evident.&nbsp; My question is about the rubber seal.&nbsp; I'm thinking this seal needs to go on the OD of the hat section of the bushing but it seems to be about 1/4 inch (6mm) too small in diameter to fit around it and trying to stretch it and keep it in place is an exercise in aggravation.</font></div>

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<div><font size="3">What has been the experience of those here who have done this and what recommendations have you?</font></div>

<div><font size="3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size="3">Thanks in advance.</font><br>
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<div style="clear:both"><font size="4">Dave </font><br>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2020 10:38:37 -0500

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>From memory:

Smaller cup washer > Plastic Hat > metal sleeve > larger cup washer.  The
square o-ring is a gasket that fits between the cup washers.  Note that
the smaller cup washer should have a larger hole than the larger (outer)
cup washer.

Play with that and you should see pretty quickly.  See, for instance, the
diagram on this page:  https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-GRID005736

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 9:49 AM DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]> wrote:

> A friend of mine must be desperate since he is asking me for advice about
> his Spitfire and I have almost no experience with those.  He is working on
> reassembling the rear trunion.  There is a plastic bushing on either side
> that is hat shaped.  There are two cupped washers and a rubber seal.  The
> bushing, sleeve and cupped washers are all self evident.  My question is
> about the rubber seal.  I'm thinking this seal needs to go on the OD of the
> hat section of the bushing but it seems to be about 1/4 inch (6mm) too
> small in diameter to fit around it and trying to stretch it and keep it in
> place is an exercise in aggravation.
>
> What has been the experience of those here who have done this and what
> recommendations have you?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Dave
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">From memory:<br><br>Smaller cup washer &gt; Plastic Hat &g=
t; metal sleeve &gt; larger cup washer.=C2=A0 The square o-ring is a gasket=
 that fits between the cup washers.=C2=A0 Note that the=C2=A0smaller cup wa=
sher should have a larger hole than the larger (outer) cup washer.<br><br>P=
lay with that and you should see pretty quickly.=C2=A0 See, for instance, t=
he diagram on this page:=C2=A0=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://rimmerbros.com/Item-=
-i-GRID005736">https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-GRID005736</a><div><br></div>=
<div>Jeff Scarbrough</div><div>Corrosion Acres, Ga.</div></div><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 8, 202=
0 at 9:49 AM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">dave1ma=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"color:black;font:12pt Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
<div> <font size=3D"3">A friend of mine must be desperate since he is askin=
g me for advice about his Spitfire and I have almost no experience with tho=
se.=C2=A0 He is working on reassembling the rear trunion.=C2=A0 There is a =
plastic bushing on either side that is hat shaped.=C2=A0 There are two cupp=
ed washers and a rubber seal.=C2=A0 The bushing, sleeve and cupped washers =
are all self evident.=C2=A0 My question is about the rubber seal.=C2=A0 I&#=
39;m thinking this seal needs to go on the OD of the hat section of the bus=
hing but it seems to be about 1/4 inch (6mm) too small in diameter to fit a=
round it and trying to stretch it and keep it in place is an exercise in ag=
gravation.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">What has been the experience of those here who have d=
one this and what recommendations have you?</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Thanks in advance.</font><br>
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2020 00:23:21 +0000 (UTC)

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 Yes, the sequence is pretty self-evident.=C2=A0 My question was about the =
square O-ring.=C2=A0 So it goes between the two metal washers.=C2=A0 Have y=
ou ever had any issues getting it to stretch around the had section?
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
To: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2020 9:38 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Spitfire question

>From memory:

Smaller cup washer > Plastic Hat > metal sleeve > larger cup washer.=C2=A0 =
The square o-ring is a gasket that fits between the cup washers.=C2=A0 Note=
 that the=C2=A0smaller cup washer should have a larger hole than the larger=
 (outer) cup washer.

Play with that and you should see pretty quickly.=C2=A0 See, for instance, =
the diagram on this page:=C2=A0=C2=A0https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-GRID005=
736
Jeff ScarbroughCorrosion Acres, Ga.
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<div> <font size="3">Yes, the sequence is pretty self-evident.&nbsp; My question was about the square O-ring.&nbsp; So it goes between the two metal washers.&nbsp; Have you ever had any issues getting it to stretch around the had section?</font><br>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: DAVID MASSEY &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2020 9:38 am<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Spitfire question<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From memory:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Smaller cup washer &gt; Plastic Hat &gt; metal sleeve &gt; larger cup washer.&nbsp; The square o-ring is a gasket that fits between the cup washers.&nbsp; Note that the&nbsp;smaller cup washer should have a larger hole than the larger (outer) cup washer.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Play with that and you should see pretty quickly.&nbsp; See, for instance, the diagram on this page:&nbsp;&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-GRID005736">https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-GRID005736</a>
<div><br clear="none"></div>

<div>Jeff Scarbrough</div>

<div>Corrosion Acres, Ga.</div>
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<div><font size="3">Thanks in advance.</font><br clear="none">
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2020 10:13:20 -0500

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Not that I recall.  It's a little fiddly to get it to all stay together
during assembly.  I may have used something like silicone grease...  I
don't think it needed to be stretched much, if at all.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 7:23 PM DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Yes, the sequence is pretty self-evident.  My question was about the
> square O-ring.  So it goes between the two metal washers.  Have you ever
> had any issues getting it to stretch around the had section?
>
> Dave
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Not that I recall.=C2=A0 It&#39;s a little=C2=A0fiddly to =
get it to all stay together during assembly.=C2=A0 I may have used somethin=
g like silicone grease...=C2=A0 I don&#39;t think it needed to be stretched=
 much, if at all.<div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 7:23 PM DAVID MASSEY=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.=
8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"color:black;font:12pt Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
<div> <font size=3D"3">Yes, the sequence is pretty self-evident.=C2=A0 My q=
uestion was about the square O-ring.=C2=A0 So it goes between the two metal=
 washers.=C2=A0 Have you ever had any issues getting it to stretch around t=
he had section?</font><br>
</div>

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_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
To: DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@a=
utox.team.net</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
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Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2020 9:38 am<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Spitfire question<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">From memory:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Smaller =
cup washer &gt; Plastic Hat &gt; metal sleeve &gt; larger cup washer.=C2=A0=
 The square o-ring is a gasket that fits between the cup washers.=C2=A0 Not=
e that the=C2=A0smaller cup washer should have a larger hole than the large=
r (outer) cup washer.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Play with that a=
nd you should see pretty quickly.=C2=A0 See, for instance, the diagram on t=
his page:=C2=A0=C2=A0<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://rim=
merbros.com/Item--i-GRID005736" target=3D"_blank">https://rimmerbros.com/It=
em--i-GRID005736</a>
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<div>Corrosion Acres, Ga.</div>
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k">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div>
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<div><font size=3D"3">Thanks in advance.</font><br clear=3D"none">
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2020 16:16:19 +0000 (UTC)

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 OK, thanks.=C2=A0 That seems to be the issue.=C2=A0 These are way short of=
 fitting over the hat section.=C2=A0 I suspect the supplier bought the wron=
g O-rings.
Thanks.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
To: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2020 9:13 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Spitfire question

Not that I recall.=C2=A0 It's a little=C2=A0fiddly to get it to all stay to=
gether during assembly.=C2=A0 I may have used something like silicone greas=
e...=C2=A0 I don't think it needed to be stretched much, if at all.

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To: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
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Subject: Re: [TR] Spitfire question

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<div> <font size="3">OK, thanks.&nbsp; That seems to be the issue.&nbsp; These are way short of fitting over the hat section.&nbsp; I suspect the supplier bought the wrong O-rings.</font></div>

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<div><font size="3">Thanks.</font><br>
</div>

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<div dir="ltr">Not that I recall.&nbsp; It's a little&nbsp;fiddly to get it to all stay together during assembly.&nbsp; I may have used something like silicone grease...&nbsp; I don't think it needed to be stretched much, if at all.
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<div> <font size="3">Yes, the sequence is pretty self-evident.&nbsp; My question was about the square O-ring.&nbsp; So it goes between the two metal washers.&nbsp; Have you ever had any issues getting it to stretch around the had section?</font><br clear="none">
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To: DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear="none">
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