Subject: Re: [TR] Battery troubles

From: bill beecher <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 08:38:08 -0500

Call the manufacturer and ask them if it is telling you if a known good battery Is  bad. 

If it’s like my new Shumacher(sp?) charger it require some juice to work.  If the battery is 100% flat, it won’t see it.  Also, you cannot use as a power supply while bench testing anything.   It does have the Reddit’s that tell you what the voltage it or the percentage of charge.  

I’ll buy a conventional style next time.  

My two cents,
Bill B

#dontkillgrandma

On Oct 15, 2020, at 8:30 AM, Chris Simo <[email-masked]> wrote:

My Tr4 hasn't gotten out at all this summer.   I put my new battery charger on it -  It's all electronic  vs my old one that just had a 3 position switch and an analog meter.

This new charger is quite fancy, it will tell you if the battery is connected backwards,  light a light with a bad battery, etc.  Trouble is I"m not sure I trust it.

I've had this thing tell me 4 batteries are bad.  I havent been driving my truck, my wife hasn't been driving her Z4,  and my mom's car battery showed bad as well....

I think I'm going to buy an old school charger and see what happens.  It's cheaper than buying one of the four batteries....

Or they just sat so long they died.....     Anyone have experience with those newer fancy chargers?  Any issues or concerns?

Thanks!
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From: Greg Lemon <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 08:40:59 -0500

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I don't know that I trust the modern battery chargers, but I also don't
trust modern batteries.  After having many batteries last for ten years or
more in the 90s and 2000s, I have replaced all the replacement batteries I
bought for those long lived batteries shortly after the warranty is up.
The last one was like two months past the 3 years, used in a daily driven
car with a good charging system.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 8:30 AM Chris Simo <[email-masked]> wrote:

> My Tr4 hasn't gotten out at all this summer.   I put my new battery
> charger on it -  It's all electronic  vs my old one that just had a 3
> position switch and an analog meter.
>
> This new charger is quite fancy, it will tell you if the battery is
> connected backwards,  light a light with a bad battery, etc.  Trouble is
> I"m not sure I trust it.
>
> I've had this thing tell me 4 batteries are bad.  I havent been driving my
> truck, my wife hasn't been driving her Z4,  and my mom's car battery showed
> bad as well....
>
> I think I'm going to buy an old school charger and see what happens.  It's
> cheaper than buying one of the four batteries....
>
> Or they just sat so long they died.....     Anyone have experience with
> those newer fancy chargers?  Any issues or concerns?
>
> Thanks!
> Unsubscribe/Manage:
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<div dir=3D"auto">I don&#39;t know that I trust the modern battery chargers=
, but I also don&#39;t trust modern batteries.=C2=A0 After having many batt=
eries last for ten years or more in the 90s and 2000s, I have replaced all =
the replacement batteries I bought for those long lived batteries shortly a=
fter the warranty is up.=C2=A0 The last one was like two months past the 3 =
years, used in a daily driven car with a good charging system.<div dir=3D"a=
uto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Greg Lemon</div><div dir=3D"auto">TR250</d=
iv></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_att=
r">On Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 8:30 AM Chris Simo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ccsimonse=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">My Tr4 hasn&#39;t gotten out at all this sum=
mer.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I put my new battery charger on it -=C2=A0 It&#39;s all el=
ectronic=C2=A0 vs my old one that just had a 3 position switch and an analo=
g meter.<div><br></div><div>This new charger is quite fancy, it will tell y=
ou if the battery is connected backwards,=C2=A0 light a light with a bad ba=
ttery, etc.=C2=A0 Trouble is I&quot;m not sure I trust it.</div><div><br></=
div><div>I&#39;ve had this thing tell me 4 batteries=C2=A0are bad.=C2=A0 I =
havent been driving my truck, my wife hasn&#39;t been driving her Z4,=C2=A0=
 and my mom&#39;s car battery showed bad as well....</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>I think I&#39;m going to buy an old school charger and see what happens.=
=C2=A0 It&#39;s cheaper than buying one of the four batteries....</div><div=
><br></div><div>Or they just sat so long they died.....=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
Anyone have experience with those newer fancy chargers?=C2=A0 Any issues or=
 concerns?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div></div>
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From: John Innis <[email-masked]>
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My only issue was with a Motorcycle battery.   I think the charger I was
using was trying too hard to desulfate and killed the battery (only 2 years
old).  Since then I only plug in the bike for a few days each month.  All
the rest I have left plugged in for long periods of time without issue.  My
chargers are "smart" but not so smart that they will tell me a battery is
bad.  That being said, I have had a few batteries go bad in the past few
years.  The last few I have bought for various vehicles only seem to last
about two years.  I tried expensive ones and cheap ones, none seem to make
it past 24 months.  It may be just that the batteries being sold these days
are junk.  The one in my Spitfire is almost 10 years old and still starts
the car every time.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">My only issue was with a Motorcycle battery.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I=
 think the charger I was using was trying too hard to desulfate and killed =
the battery (only 2 years old).=C2=A0 Since then I only plug in the bike fo=
r a few days each month.=C2=A0 All the rest I have left plugged in for long=
 periods of time without issue.=C2=A0 My chargers are &quot;smart&quot; but=
 not so smart that they will tell me a battery is bad.=C2=A0 That being sai=
d, I have had a few batteries go bad in the past few years.=C2=A0 The last =
few I have bought for various vehicles only seem to last about two years.=
=C2=A0 I tried expensive ones and cheap ones, none seem to make it past 24 =
months.=C2=A0 It may be just that the batteries being sold these days are j=
unk.=C2=A0 The one in my Spitfire is almost 10 years old and still starts t=
he car every time.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 8:30 AM Chris Simo &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></=
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r4 hasn&#39;t gotten out at all this summer.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I put my new batte=
ry charger on it -=C2=A0 It&#39;s all electronic=C2=A0 vs my old one that j=
ust had a 3 position switch and an analog meter.<div><br></div><div>This ne=
w charger is quite fancy, it will tell you if the battery is connected back=
wards,=C2=A0 light a light with a bad battery, etc.=C2=A0 Trouble is I&quot=
;m not sure I trust it.</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;ve had this thing te=
ll me 4 batteries=C2=A0are bad.=C2=A0 I havent been driving my truck, my wi=
fe hasn&#39;t been driving her Z4,=C2=A0 and my mom&#39;s car battery showe=
d bad as well....</div><div><br></div><div>I think I&#39;m going to buy an =
old school charger and see what happens.=C2=A0 It&#39;s cheaper than buying=
 one of the four batteries....</div><div><br></div><div>Or they just sat so=
 long they died.....=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Anyone have experience with those n=
ewer fancy chargers?=C2=A0 Any issues or concerns?</div><div><br></div><div=
>Thanks!</div></div>
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From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 10:06:36 -0400

I agree with Bill - get a conventional style next time, if you can find one. Even my local NAPA man said to buy an old charger and have it repaired rather than buy a "new, improved, new technology, it's faster, more efficient, easier, etc., etc." type of charger. I laugh when I see newer, fancier chargers with all of these different settings that recognize all of the different battery types - does the vehicle's alternator have all of those settings????

Use an old style charger and just monitor with a volt meter. 

Alex Thomson

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of bill beecher
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 9:38 AM
To: Chris Simo
Cc: list Triumph
Subject: Re: [TR] Battery troubles

My two cents,
Bill B

#dontkillgrandma

Thanks!

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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 14:29:59 +0000 (UTC)

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 What model is it?=C2=A0 I've looked at quite a few chargers and I am famil=
iar with several, some of which I will never use again, others are great fo=
r some applications and not others, but most are really good.=C2=A0 But som=
e have features others don't have.=C2=A0 Some just charge the battery, othe=
rs will evaluate the battery.=C2=A0 How they make a determination that a ba=
ttery is bad is pretty much up for grabs.=C2=A0 Did it tell you immediately=
 the battery is bad or did it make the determination after a charge cycle?=
=C2=A0 Is it settable for the battery chemistry?=C2=A0 Lots of questions.
=20
Dave=20

=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Simo <[email-masked]>
To: list Triumph <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2020 8:26 am
Subject: [TR] Battery troubles

My Tr4 hasn't gotten out at all this summer.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I put my new batte=
ry charger on it -=C2=A0 It's all electronic=C2=A0 vs my old one that just =
had a 3 position switch and an analog meter.
This new charger is quite fancy, it will tell you if the battery is connect=
ed backwards,=C2=A0 light a light with a bad battery, etc.=C2=A0 Trouble is=
 I"m not sure I trust it.
I've had this thing tell me 4 batteries=C2=A0are bad.=C2=A0 I havent been d=
riving my truck, my wife hasn't been driving her Z4,=C2=A0 and my mom's car=
 battery showed bad as well....
I think I'm going to buy an old school charger and see what happens.=C2=A0 =
It's cheaper than buying one of the four batteries....
Or they just sat so long they died.....=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Anyone have expe=
rience with those newer fancy chargers?=C2=A0 Any issues or concerns?
Thanks!** [email-masked] **

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<div style="color:black;font: 12pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div> <font size="3">What model is it?&nbsp; I've looked at quite a few chargers and I am familiar with several, some of which I will never use again, others are great for some applications and not others, but most are really good.&nbsp; But some have features others don't have.&nbsp; Some just charge the battery, others will evaluate the battery.&nbsp; How they make a determination that a battery is bad is pretty much up for grabs.&nbsp; Did it tell you immediately the battery is bad or did it make the determination after a charge cycle?&nbsp; Is it settable for the battery chemistry?&nbsp; Lots of questions.</font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div style="clear:both"><font size="4">Dave </font><br>
<br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Chris Simo &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: list Triumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2020 8:26 am<br>
Subject: [TR] Battery troubles<br>
<br>

<div id="yiv8196264452">
<div dir="ltr">My Tr4 hasn't gotten out at all this summer.&nbsp; &nbsp;I put my new battery charger on it -&nbsp; It's all electronic&nbsp; vs my old one that just had a 3 position switch and an analog meter.
<div><br>
</div>

<div>This new charger is quite fancy, it will tell you if the battery is connected backwards,&nbsp; light a light with a bad battery, etc.&nbsp; Trouble is I"m not sure I trust it.</div>

<div><br>
</div>

<div>I've had this thing tell me 4 batteries&nbsp;are bad.&nbsp; I havent been driving my truck, my wife hasn't been driving her Z4,&nbsp; and my mom's car battery showed bad as well....</div>

<div><br>
</div>

<div>I think I'm going to buy an old school charger and see what happens.&nbsp; It's cheaper than buying one of the four batteries....</div>

<div><br>
</div>

<div>Or they just sat so long they died.....&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Anyone have experience with those newer fancy chargers?&nbsp; Any issues or concerns?</div>

<div><br>
</div>

<div>Thanks!</div>
</div>
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 15:08:24 +0000 (UTC)

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 The old style chargers MUST be monitored, especially with newer batteries.=
=C2=A0 If you leave it hooked up too long you will boil off the electrolyte=
.=C2=A0 How long?=C2=A0 Depends on the state of charge.=C2=A0 What is the s=
tate of charge?=C2=A0 Is it 50%, 25%, 75%?=C2=A0 You can figure that out if=
 you take an open circuit voltage reading, adjust for temperature and look =
it up on a chart.=C2=A0 Then guess how long to set the timer.
Or take a voltage reading periodically and don't forget to turn it off.=C2=
=A0=20

Yes, the alternator doesn't do the three-phase charge regimen but it does r=
egulate the voltage to 14 volts.=C2=A0 The old school chargers are just a t=
ransformer and a rectifier and when the battery achieves full charge the vo=
ltage will continue to rise and boil off the electrolyte.=C2=A0 The smart c=
hargers will self-regulate to prevent that.=C2=A0 But if you want to babysi=
t you charger by all means knock yourself out.

I am in the business of battery powered transport devices for medical equip=
ment and patient transport and we use a lot of chargers to recharge the AGM=
 batteries we use to power the devices and they work quite well and are wel=
l suited to the end users who will just plug them in and walk away for the =
weekend.=C2=A0 An old-school charger just simply will not work for us.

Hooking up a faulty battery to a smart charger and getting unsatisfactory r=
esults doesn't mean the charger is at fault.
=20
Dave=20

=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex & Janet Thomson <[email-masked]>
To: 'bill beecher' <[email-masked]>; 'Chris Simo' <[email-masked]=
om>
Cc: 'list Triumph' <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2020 9:06 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Battery troubles

I agree with Bill - get a conventional style next time, if you can find one=
. Even my local NAPA man said to buy an old charger and have it repaired ra=
ther than buy a "new, improved, new technology, it's faster, more efficient=
, easier, etc., etc." type of charger. I laugh when I see newer, fancier ch=
argers with all of these different settings that recognize all of the diffe=
rent battery types - does the vehicle's alternator have all of those settin=
gs????

Use an old style charger and just monitor with a volt meter.=20

Alex Thomson

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of bill b=
eecher
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 9:38 AM
To: Chris Simo
Cc: list Triumph
Subject: Re: [TR] Battery troubles

Call the manufacturer and ask them if it is telling you if a known good bat=
tery Is=C2=A0 bad.=20

If it=E2=80=99s like my new Shumacher(sp?) charger it require some juice to=
 work.=C2=A0 If the battery is 100% flat, it won=E2=80=99t see it.=C2=A0 Al=
so, you cannot use as a power supply while bench testing anything.=C2=A0 It=
 does have the Reddit=E2=80=99s that tell you what the voltage it or the pe=
rcentage of charge.=C2=A0=20

I=E2=80=99ll buy a conventional style next time.=C2=A0=20

My two cents,
Bill B

#dontkillgrandma

=EF=BB=BF
My Tr4 hasn't gotten out at all this summer.=C2=A0 I put my new battery cha=
rger on it -=C2=A0 It's all electronic=C2=A0 vs my old one that just had a =
3 position switch and an analog meter.

I've had this thing tell me 4 batteries are bad.=C2=A0 I havent been drivin=
g my truck, my wife hasn't been driving her Z4,=C2=A0 and my mom's car batt=
ery showed bad as well....

Or they just sat so long they died.....=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Anyone have experience=
 with those newer fancy chargers?=C2=A0 Any issues or concerns?

Thanks!

[email-masked]

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<div style=3D"color:black;font: 12pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div> <font size=3D"3">The old style chargers MUST be monitored, especially=
 with newer batteries.&nbsp; If you leave it hooked up too long you will bo=
il off the electrolyte.&nbsp; How long?&nbsp; Depends on the state of charg=
e.&nbsp; What is the state of charge?&nbsp; Is it 50%, 25%, 75%?&nbsp; You =
can figure that out if you take an open circuit voltage reading, adjust for=
 temperature and look it up on a chart.&nbsp; Then guess how long to set th=
e timer.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Or take a voltage reading periodically and don't forg=
et to turn it off.&nbsp; <br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Yes, the alternator doesn't do the three-phase charge=
 regimen but it does regulate the voltage to 14 volts.&nbsp; The old school=
 chargers are just a transformer and a rectifier and when the battery achie=
ves full charge the voltage will continue to rise and boil off the electrol=
yte.&nbsp; The smart chargers will self-regulate to prevent that.&nbsp; But=
 if you want to babysit you charger by all means knock yourself out.<br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">I am in the business of battery powered transport dev=
ices for medical equipment and patient transport and we use a lot of charge=
rs to recharge the AGM batteries we use to power the devices and they work =
quite well and are well suited to the end users who will just plug them in =
and walk away for the weekend.&nbsp; An old-school charger just simply will=
 not work for us.<br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Hooking up a faulty battery to a smart charger and ge=
tting unsatisfactory results doesn't mean the charger is at fault.</font><b=
r>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
<br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

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Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2020 9:06 am<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Battery troubles<br>
<br>

<div dir=3D"ltr">I agree with Bill - get a conventional style next time, if=
 you can find one. Even my local NAPA man said to buy an old charger and ha=
ve it repaired rather than buy a "new, improved, new technology, it's faste=
r, more efficient, easier, etc., etc." type of charger. I laugh when I see =
newer, fancier chargers with all of these different settings that recognize=
 all of the different battery types - does the vehicle's alternator have al=
l of those settings????<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Use an old style charger and just monitor with a volt mete=
r. <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Alex Thomson<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">-----Original Message-----<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">From: Triumphs [mailto:<a ymailto=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounc=
[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">triumphs=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 9:38 AM<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">To: Chris Simo<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Cc: list Triumph<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] Battery troubles<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Call the manufacturer and ask them if it is telling you if=
 a known good battery Is&nbsp; bad. <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">If it=E2=80=99s like my new Shumacher(sp?) charger it requ=
ire some juice to work.&nbsp; If the battery is 100% flat, it won=E2=80=99t=
 see it.&nbsp; Also, you cannot use as a power supply while bench testing a=
nything.&nbsp;  It does have the Reddit=E2=80=99s that tell you what the vo=
ltage it or the percentage of charge.&nbsp; <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I=E2=80=99ll buy a conventional style next time.&nbsp; <br=
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">My two cents,<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Bill B<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">#dontkillgrandma<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">On Oct 15, 2020, at 8:30 AM, Chris Simo &lt;<a ymailto=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">ccsimonse=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">My Tr4 hasn't gotten out at all this summer.&nbsp;  I put =
my new battery charger on it -&nbsp; It's all electronic&nbsp; vs my old on=
e that just had a 3 position switch and an analog meter.<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">This new charger is quite fancy, it will tell you if the b=
attery is connected backwards,&nbsp; light a light with a bad battery, etc.=
&nbsp; Trouble is I"m not sure I trust it.<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">I've had this thing tell me 4 batteries are bad.&nbsp; I h=
avent been driving my truck, my wife hasn't been driving her Z4,&nbsp; and =
my mom's car battery showed bad as well....<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">I think I'm going to buy an old school charger and see wha=
t happens.&nbsp; It's cheaper than buying one of the four batteries....<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Or they just sat so long they died.....&nbsp; &nbsp;  Anyo=
ne have experience with those newer fancy chargers?&nbsp; Any issues or con=
cerns?<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks!<br>
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 The desulfate mode only kicks in when the battery is deeply discharged.=C2=
=A0 With these new batteries a deep discharge condition will make the batte=
ry suspect.=C2=A0 They don't tolerate this well at all.
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-----Original Message-----
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To: Chris Simo <[email-masked]>
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Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2020 8:47 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Battery troubles

My only issue was with a Motorcycle battery.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I think the charge=
r I was using was trying too hard to desulfate and killed the battery (only=
 2 years old).=C2=A0 Since then I only plug in the bike for a few days each=
 month.=C2=A0 All the rest I have left plugged in for long periods of time =
without issue.=C2=A0 My chargers are "smart" but not so smart that they wil=
l tell me a battery is bad.=C2=A0 That being said, I have had a few batteri=
es go bad in the past few years.=C2=A0 The last few I have bought for vario=
us vehicles only seem to last about two years.=C2=A0 I tried expensive ones=
 and cheap ones, none seem to make it past 24 months.=C2=A0 It may be just =
that the batteries being sold these days are junk.=C2=A0 The one in my Spit=
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<div> <font size="3">The desulfate mode only kicks in when the battery is deeply discharged.&nbsp; With these new batteries a deep discharge condition will make the battery suspect.&nbsp; They don't tolerate this well at all.</font><br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>
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To: Chris Simo &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: list Triumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2020 8:47 am<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Battery troubles<br>
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<div dir="ltr">My only issue was with a Motorcycle battery.&nbsp;&nbsp; I think the charger I was using was trying too hard to desulfate and killed the battery (only 2 years old).&nbsp; Since then I only plug in the bike for a few days each month.&nbsp; All the rest I have left plugged in for long periods of time without issue.&nbsp; My chargers are "smart" but not so smart that they will tell me a battery is bad.&nbsp; That being said, I have had a few batteries go bad in the past few years.&nbsp; The last few I have bought for various vehicles only seem to last about two years.&nbsp; I tried expensive ones and cheap ones, none seem to make it past 24 months.&nbsp; It may be just that the batteries being sold these days are junk.&nbsp; The one in my Spitfire is almost 10 years old and still starts the car every time.<br clear="none"></div>
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<div class="yiv0348602408gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 8:30 AM Chris Simo &lt;<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear="none"></div>
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<div dir="ltr">My Tr4 hasn't gotten out at all this summer.&nbsp; &nbsp;I put my new battery charger on it -&nbsp; It's all electronic&nbsp; vs my old one that just had a 3 position switch and an analog meter.
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Funny you should mention this.

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I have a battery charger that I bought from Kmart (remember them) around =
1978.  All steel construction with an analog gage in front.  It still =
works great.

=20

I purchased a modern charger about 10 years ago and it lasted only a few =
years.

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If you have a light timer, you can plug the charger into the timer and =
let it charge only an hour or so a day.  Old tech + old tech beats new =
tech!

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From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Chris Simo
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 8:27 AM
To: list Triumph <[email-masked]>
Subject: [TR] Battery troubles

=20

My Tr4 hasn't gotten out at all this summer.   I put my new battery =
charger on it -  It's all electronic  vs my old one that just had a 3 =
position switch and an analog meter.

=20

This new charger is quite fancy, it will tell you if the battery is =
connected backwards,  light a light with a bad battery, etc.  Trouble is =
I"m not sure I trust it.

=20

I've had this thing tell me 4 batteries are bad.  I havent been driving =
my truck, my wife hasn't been driving her Z4,  and my mom's car battery =
showed bad as well....

=20

I think I'm going to buy an old school charger and see what happens.  =
It's cheaper than buying one of the four batteries....

=20

Or they just sat so long they died.....     Anyone have experience with =
those newer fancy chargers?  Any issues or concerns?

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this.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I have a battery charger that I bought from Kmart =
(remember them) around 1978.=C2=A0 All steel construction with an analog =
gage in front.=C2=A0 It still works great.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I purchased =
a modern charger about 10 years ago and it lasted only a few =
years.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>If you have a light timer, you can plug the charger =
into the timer and let it charge only an hour or so a day.=C2=A0 Old =
tech + old tech beats new tech!<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Triumphs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris =
Simo<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 15, 2020 8:27 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
list Triumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] =
Battery troubles<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>My Tr4 =
hasn't gotten out at all this summer.&nbsp; &nbsp;I put my new battery =
charger on it -&nbsp; It's all electronic&nbsp; vs my old one that just =
had a 3 position switch and an analog meter.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>This new charger is quite fancy, it will tell you if =
the battery is connected backwards,&nbsp; light a light with a bad =
battery, etc.&nbsp; Trouble is I&quot;m not sure I trust =
it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal>I've had this thing tell me 4 batteries&nbsp;are =
bad.&nbsp; I havent been driving my truck, my wife hasn't been driving =
her Z4,&nbsp; and my mom's car battery showed bad as =
well....<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
think I'm going to buy an old school charger and see what happens.&nbsp; =
It's cheaper than buying one of the four =
batteries....<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Or they just sat so long they died.....&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;Anyone have experience with those newer fancy chargers?&nbsp; Any =
issues or concerns?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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Two points.  I learned from my local mechanic that even the higher end =
Battery Tender Plus that is in the little metal box, will not maintain a =
battery, but will cook a battery when left on all the time.  I was =
advised to plug it in for a week, 2 at the most, then disconnect if for =
a week or two.  What a pain.

In my Airstream trailer, which has a charging system when plugged in, to =
charge the deep cycle batteries.  I learned the hard way that the unit =
that comes from the factory is crap and will cook the batteries.  I =
upgraded to a model that will let me leave it plugged in for months to =
years, no problem.

So back to changing and knowing the status of your battery, this handy =
tool is excellent.  SOLAR BA7 =
https://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/B0015PI7A=
4/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZLSG9K3&dchild=3D1&keywords=3Dsolar%2Bbattery%=
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ester&qid=3D1602785609&sprefix=3Dsolar+battery+test,aps,852&sr=3D8-3&th=3D=
1>
No idea why it has Solar in the name as it has nothing to do with solar. =
=20

You don=E2=80=99t have to disconnect your battery.  Battery doesn=E2=80=99=
t need to be fully charged to test it.  You just connect it and enter it =
what kind of battery it is and the Cold Cranking Amps it=E2=80=99s rated =
for, and it tells you the condition of the battery and how many CCA it =
still has.  I was blown away when I tested a 5 year old Optima battery =
in my Triumph TR3, and I think it=E2=80=99s rated for 700 CCA, and it =
still has 620, which is why it still works great.

Good luck,

Rye Livingston
Activities Chairman
Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
1960 Triumph TR3A
PH: 530-FIND-RYE

=20

> On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:06 AM, dave <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> I have a battery charger that I bought from Kmart (remember them) =
around 1978.  All steel construction with an analog gage in front.  It =
still works great.
> =20
> I purchased a modern charger about 10 years ago and it lasted only a =
few years.
> =20
> =20
> =20
> From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Chris =
Simo
> =20
> I've had this thing tell me 4 batteries are bad.  I havent been =
driving my truck, my wife hasn't been driving her Z4,  and my mom's car =
battery showed bad as well....
> =20
> Or they just sat so long they died.....     Anyone have experience =
with those newer fancy chargers?  Any issues or concerns?
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs  =
>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><span=
 style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">Two points. &nbsp;I learned from =
my local mechanic that even the higher end Battery Tender Plus that is =
in the little metal box, will not maintain a battery, but will cook a =
battery when left on all the time. &nbsp;I was advised to plug it in for =
a week, 2 at the most, then disconnect if for a week or two. &nbsp;What =
a pain.</span><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">In my Airstream trailer, which has =
a charging system when plugged in, to charge the deep cycle batteries. =
&nbsp;I learned the hard way that the unit that comes from the factory =
is crap and will cook the batteries. &nbsp;I upgraded to a model that =
will let me leave it plugged in for months to years, no =
problem.</span><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">So back to changing and knowing =
the status of your battery, this handy tool is excellent. &nbsp;SOLAR =
BA7 <a =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/B=
0015PI7A4/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZLSG9K3&amp;dchild=3D1&amp;keywords=3D=
solar+battery+tester&amp;qid=3D1602785609&amp;sprefix=3Dsolar+battery+test=
,aps,852&amp;sr=3D8-3&amp;th=3D1" =
class=3D"">https://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/d=
p/B0015PI7A4/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZLSG9K3&amp;dchild=3D1&amp;keywords=
=3Dsolar%2Bbattery%2Btester&amp;qid=3D1602785609&amp;sprefix=3Dsolar%2Bbat=
tery%2Btest%2Caps%2C852&amp;sr=3D8-3&amp;th=3D1</a></span></div><div =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">No idea why it =
has Solar in the name as it has nothing to do with solar. =
&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">You don=E2=80=99t have to =
disconnect your battery. &nbsp;Battery doesn=E2=80=99t need to be fully =
charged to test it. &nbsp;You just connect it and enter it what kind of =
battery it is and the Cold Cranking Amps it=E2=80=99s rated for, and it =
tells you the condition of the battery and how many CCA it still has. =
&nbsp;I was blown away when I tested a 5 year old Optima battery in my =
Triumph TR3, and I think it=E2=80=99s rated for 700 CCA, and it still =
has 620, which is why it still works great.</span></div><div =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></span></div><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D"">Good luck,</span></div><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div =
class=3D""><div data-mce-style=3D"caret-color: #000000; color: #000000; =
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start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; =
text-decoration: none;" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">Rye =
Livingston</span></div><div data-mce-style=3D"caret-color: #000000; =
color: #000000; font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, =
sans-serif; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 300; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; =
text-decoration: none;" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">Activities =
Chairman</span></div><div data-mce-style=3D"caret-color: #000000; color: =
#000000; font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: 300; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; =
text-decoration: none;" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">Triumph Travelers =
Sports Car Club</span></div><div data-mce-style=3D"caret-color: #000000; =
color: #000000; font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, =
sans-serif; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 300; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; =
text-decoration: none;" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">1960 Triumph =
TR3A</span></div><div data-mce-style=3D"caret-color: #000000; color: =
#000000; font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: 300; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; =
text-decoration: none;" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" =
class=3D""><span data-mce-style=3D"color: #000000; font-family: =
SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: =
15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 300; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" style=3D"float: none; display: inline =
!important; font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">PH: =
530-FIND-RYE</span></div></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:06 AM, dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Funny you should mention =
this.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I have a battery charger =
that I bought from Kmart (remember them) around 1978.&nbsp; All steel =
construction with an analog gage in front.&nbsp; It still works =
great.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I purchased a modern =
charger about 10 years ago and it lasted only a few years.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">If you have a light timer, =
you can plug the charger into the timer and let it charge only an hour =
or so a day.&nbsp; Old tech + old tech beats new tech!<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"border-style: solid none =
none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); =
padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">From:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Triumphs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Chris Simo<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Thursday, October 15, 2020 =
8:27 AM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>list Triumph &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[TR] Battery troubles<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">My Tr4 =
hasn't gotten out at all this summer.&nbsp; &nbsp;I put my new battery =
charger on it -&nbsp; It's all electronic&nbsp; vs my old one that just =
had a 3 position switch and an analog meter.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">This =
new charger is quite fancy, it will tell you if the battery is connected =
backwards,&nbsp; light a light with a bad battery, etc.&nbsp; Trouble is =
I"m not sure I trust it.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I've =
had this thing tell me 4 batteries&nbsp;are bad.&nbsp; I havent been =
driving my truck, my wife hasn't been driving her Z4,&nbsp; and my mom's =
car battery showed bad as well....<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I =
think I'm going to buy an old school charger and see what happens.&nbsp; =
It's cheaper than buying one of the four batteries....<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Or =
they just sat so long they died.....&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Anyone have =
experience with those newer fancy chargers?&nbsp; Any issues or =
concerns?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
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From: David Friedlander <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 14:37:22 -0400

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Rye;

I've been ysing my Battery Tender + for long periods, over the years, and
have never had it cook a battety....

Dave

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 2:31 PM Rye Livingston <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Two points.  I learned from my local mechanic that even the higher end
> Battery Tender Plus that is in the little metal box, will not maintain a
> battery, but will cook a battery when left on all the time.  I was advise=
d
> to plug it in for a week, 2 at the most, then disconnect if for a week or
> two.  What a pain.
>
> In my Airstream trailer, which has a charging system when plugged in, to
> charge the deep cycle batteries.  I learned the hard way that the unit th=
at
> comes from the factory is crap and will cook the batteries.  I upgraded t=
o
> a model that will let me leave it plugged in for months to years, no
> problem.
>
> So back to changing and knowing the status of your battery, this handy
> tool is excellent.  SOLAR BA7
> https://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/B0015PI7=
A4/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZLSG9K3&dchild=3D1&keywords=3Dsolar%2Bbattery%=
2Btester&qid=3D1602785609&sprefix=3Dsolar%2Bbattery%2Btest%2Caps%2C852&sr=
=3D8-3&th=3D1
> <https://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/B0015PI=
7A4/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZLSG9K3&dchild=3D1&keywords=3Dsolar+battery+t=
ester&qid=3D1602785609&sprefix=3Dsolar+battery+test,aps,852&sr=3D8-3&th=3D1=
>
> No idea why it has Solar in the name as it has nothing to do with solar.
>
> You don=E2=80=99t have to disconnect your battery.  Battery doesn=E2=80=
=99t need to be
> fully charged to test it.  You just connect it and enter it what kind of
> battery it is and the Cold Cranking Amps it=E2=80=99s rated for, and it t=
ells you
> the condition of the battery and how many CCA it still has.  I was blown
> away when I tested a 5 year old Optima battery in my Triumph TR3, and I
> think it=E2=80=99s rated for 700 CCA, and it still has 620, which is why =
it still
> I have a battery charger that I bought from Kmart (remember them) around
> 1978.  All steel construction with an analog gage in front.  It still wor=
ks
> great.
>
> I purchased a modern charger about 10 years ago and it lasted only a few
> years.
>
> If you have a light timer, you can plug the charger into the timer and le=
t
> it charge only an hour or so a day.  Old tech + old tech beats new tech!
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Chris
> Simo
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 15, 2020 8:27 AM
> *To:* list Triumph <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* [TR] Battery troubles
>
> I've had this thing tell me 4 batteries are bad.  I havent been driving m=
y
> truck, my wife hasn't been driving her Z4,  and my mom's car battery show=
ed
> bad as well....
>
> I think I'm going to buy an old school charger and see what happens.  It'=
s
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<div dir=3D"auto">Rye;<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I&#39;v=
e been ysing my Battery Tender + for long periods, over the years, and have=
 never had it cook a battety....</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">Dave</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 2:31 PM Rye Livingston &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-whit=
e-space"><span style=3D"font-size:14px">Two points.=C2=A0 I learned from my=
 local mechanic that even the higher end Battery Tender Plus that is in the=
 little metal box, will not maintain a battery, but will cook a battery whe=
n left on all the time.=C2=A0 I was advised to plug it in for a week, 2 at =
the most, then disconnect if for a week or two.=C2=A0 What a pain.</span><d=
iv><span style=3D"font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font=
-size:14px">In my Airstream trailer, which has a charging system when plugg=
ed in, to charge the deep cycle batteries.=C2=A0 I learned the hard way tha=
t the unit that comes from the factory is crap and will cook the batteries.=
=C2=A0 I upgraded to a model that will let me leave it plugged in for month=
s to years, no problem.</span><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px"><br></spa=
n></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px">So back to changing and knowing=
 the status of your battery, this handy tool is excellent.=C2=A0 SOLAR BA7 =
<a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp=
/B0015PI7A4/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZLSG9K3&amp;dchild=3D1&amp;keywords=
=3Dsolar+battery+tester&amp;qid=3D1602785609&amp;sprefix=3Dsolar+battery+te=
st,aps,852&amp;sr=3D8-3&amp;th=3D1" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">ht=
tps://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/B0015PI7A4/r=
ef=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZLSG9K3&amp;dchild=3D1&amp;keywords=3Dsolar%2Bbatt=
ery%2Btester&amp;qid=3D1602785609&amp;sprefix=3Dsolar%2Bbattery%2Btest%2Cap=
s%2C852&amp;sr=3D8-3&amp;th=3D1</a></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:14px">No idea why it has Solar in the name as it has nothing to do with =
solar. =C2=A0</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px"><br></span></=
div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px">You don=E2=80=99t have to disconnec=
t your battery.=C2=A0 Battery doesn=E2=80=99t need to be fully charged to t=
est it.=C2=A0 You just connect it and enter it what kind of battery it is a=
nd the Cold Cranking Amps it=E2=80=99s rated for, and it tells you the cond=
ition of the battery and how many CCA it still has.=C2=A0 I was blown away =
when I tested a 5 year old Optima battery in my Triumph TR3, and I think it=
=E2=80=99s rated for 700 CCA, and it still has 620, which is why it still w=
orks great.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px"><br></span></di=
v><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px">Good luck,</span></div><div><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><div style=3D"background-color:=
rgb(255,255,255)"><span style=3D"font-size:14px">Rye Livingston</span></div=
><div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style=3D"font-size:=
14px">Activities Chairman</span></div><div style=3D"background-color:rgb(25=
5,255,255)"><span style=3D"font-size:14px">Triumph Travelers Sports Car Clu=
b</span></div><div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style=
=3D"font-size:14px">1960 Triumph TR3A</span></div><div style=3D"background-=
color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style=3D"float:none;display:inline!important;=
font-size:14px">PH: 530-FIND-RYE</span></div></div><div><br></div><div><br>=
</div><div>=C2=A0<br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Oct 15, 202=
0, at 11:06 AM, dave &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant=
-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-de=
coration:none"><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,=
sans-serif">Funny you should mention this.<u></u><u></u></div><div style=3D=
"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-=
serif">I have a battery charger that I bought from Kmart (remember them) ar=
ound 1978.=C2=A0 All steel construction with an analog gage in front.=C2=A0=
 It still works great.<u></u><u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-siz=
e:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div style=
=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I purchased a=
 modern charger about 10 years ago and it lasted only a few years.<u></u><u=
></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans=
-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif">If you have a light timer, you can plug the =
charger into the timer and let it charge only an hour or so a day.=C2=A0 Ol=
d tech + old tech beats new tech!<u></u><u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0=
in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div=
><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u=
></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family=
:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div style=3D"border-style:s=
olid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);paddi=
ng:3pt 0in 0in"><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri=
,sans-serif"><b>From:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">trium=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<span>=C2=A0</span><b>On Behalf Of<span>=
=C2=A0</span></b>Chris Simo<br><b>Sent:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>Thursday, Oct=
ober 15, 2020 8:27 AM<br><b>To:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>list Triumph &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>[TR] =
Battery troubles<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-siz=
e:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">My Tr4 h=
asn&#39;t gotten out at all this summer.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I put my new battery c=
harger on it -=C2=A0 It&#39;s all electronic=C2=A0 vs my old one that just =
had a 3 position switch and an analog meter.<u></u><u></u></div><div><div s=
tyle=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-=
family:Calibri,sans-serif">This new charger is quite fancy, it will tell yo=
u if the battery is connected backwards,=C2=A0 light a light with a bad bat=
tery, etc.=C2=A0 Trouble is I&quot;m not sure I trust it.<u></u><u></u></di=
v></div><div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin:0in;fon=
t-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I&#39;ve had this thing tell me=
 4 batteries=C2=A0are bad.=C2=A0 I havent been driving my truck, my wife ha=
sn&#39;t been driving her Z4,=C2=A0 and my mom&#39;s car battery showed bad=
 as well....<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-si=
ze:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div></div><di=
v><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I=
 think I&#39;m going to buy an old school charger and see what happens.=C2=
=A0 It&#39;s cheaper than buying one of the four batteries....<u></u><u></u=
></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calib=
ri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin:0i=
n;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Or they just sat so long t=
hey died.....=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Anyone have experience with those newer fa=
ncy chargers?=C2=A0 Any issues or concerns?<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><=
div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u><=
/u>=C2=A0<u></u></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;fo=
nt-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Thanks!<u></u><u></u></div></div></div></div>=
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Solar is an OLD name in battery chargers and testers.  Basically it is the
good stuff.  I remember our local service station (remember those) had a
big rolling Solar brand battery test cart.  Would charge or test anything
from a 6v motorcycle battery all the way up to a 24v semi-truck battery.
When that station finally closed my dad went to the auction and tried to
buy that rig.  I don't know how much it went for but I know he came home
empty handed.

It was a Battery tender brand unit (Junior model) that cooked the
motorcycle battery, but I have been using these and a 4-bank battery tender
plus on my Triumphs for years without issue.  It seems to me they only tend
to cause issues with smaller batteries.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Solar is an OLD name in battery chargers and testers.=
=C2=A0 Basically it is the good stuff.=C2=A0 I remember our local service s=
tation (remember those) had a big rolling Solar brand battery test cart.=C2=
=A0 Would charge or test anything from a 6v motorcycle battery all the way =
up to a 24v semi-truck battery.=C2=A0 When that station finally closed my d=
ad went to the auction and tried to buy that rig.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t know ho=
w much it went for but I know he came home empty handed. <br></div><div><br=
></div><div>It was a Battery tender brand unit (Junior model) that cooked t=
he motorcycle battery, but I have been using these and a 4-bank battery ten=
der plus on my Triumphs for years without issue.=C2=A0 It seems to me they =
only tend to cause issues with smaller batteries.<br></div></div><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 15, =
2020 at 1:31 PM Rye Livingston &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">ryel@mac=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1=
ex"><div style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;"><span style=3D"font-size:14px=
">Two points.=C2=A0 I learned from my local mechanic that even the higher e=
nd Battery Tender Plus that is in the little metal box, will not maintain a=
 battery, but will cook a battery when left on all the time.=C2=A0 I was ad=
vised to plug it in for a week, 2 at the most, then disconnect if for a wee=
k or two.=C2=A0 What a pain.</span><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px"><br>=
</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px">In my Airstream trailer, w=
hich has a charging system when plugged in, to charge the deep cycle batter=
ies.=C2=A0 I learned the hard way that the unit that comes from the factory=
 is crap and will cook the batteries.=C2=A0 I upgraded to a model that will=
 let me leave it plugged in for months to years, no problem.</span><div><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:=
14px">So back to changing and knowing the status of your battery, this hand=
y tool is excellent.=C2=A0 SOLAR BA7 <a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/BA7-=
100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/B0015PI7A4/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBU=
ZLSG9K3&amp;dchild=3D1&amp;keywords=3Dsolar+battery+tester&amp;qid=3D160278=
5609&amp;sprefix=3Dsolar+battery+test,aps,852&amp;sr=3D8-3&amp;th=3D1" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System=
/dp/B0015PI7A4/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZLSG9K3&amp;dchild=3D1&amp;keyword=
s=3Dsolar%2Bbattery%2Btester&amp;qid=3D1602785609&amp;sprefix=3Dsolar%2Bbat=
tery%2Btest%2Caps%2C852&amp;sr=3D8-3&amp;th=3D1</a></span></div><div><span =
style=3D"font-size:14px">No idea why it has Solar in the name as it has not=
hing to do with solar. =C2=A0</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14p=
x"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px">You don=E2=80=99t h=
ave to disconnect your battery.=C2=A0 Battery doesn=E2=80=99t need to be fu=
lly charged to test it.=C2=A0 You just connect it and enter it what kind of=
 battery it is and the Cold Cranking Amps it=E2=80=99s rated for, and it te=
lls you the condition of the battery and how many CCA it still has.=C2=A0 I=
 was blown away when I tested a 5 year old Optima battery in my Triumph TR3=
, and I think it=E2=80=99s rated for 700 CCA, and it still has 620, which i=
s why it still works great.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px"=
><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px">Good luck,</span></di=
v><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><div style=3D"b=
ackground-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style=3D"font-size:14px">Rye Living=
ston</span></div><div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:14px">Activities Chairman</span></div><div style=3D"backgro=
und-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style=3D"font-size:14px">Triumph Traveler=
s Sports Car Club</span></div><div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,25=
5)"><span style=3D"font-size:14px">1960 Triumph TR3A</span></div><div style=
=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style=3D"float:none;display:in=
line;font-size:14px">PH: 530-FIND-RYE</span></div></div><div><br></div><div=
><br></div><div>=C2=A0<br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Oct 15=
, 2020, at 11:06 AM, dave &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><div style=3D"font-f=
amily:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;f=
ont-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;te=
xt-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"=
><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Fu=
nny you should mention this.<u></u><u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in;fo=
nt-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div=
 style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I have =
a battery charger that I bought from Kmart (remember them) around 1978.=C2=
=A0 All steel construction with an analog gage in front.=C2=A0 It still wor=
ks great.<u></u><u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-f=
amily:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0i=
n;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I purchased a modern charg=
er about 10 years ago and it lasted only a few years.<u></u><u></u></div><d=
iv style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></=
u>=C2=A0<u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Ca=
libri,sans-serif">If you have a light timer, you can plug the charger into =
the timer and let it charge only an hour or so a day.=C2=A0 Old tech + old =
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span>=C2=A0</span>Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<span>=C2=
=A0</span><b>On Behalf Of<span>=C2=A0</span></b>Chris Simo<br><b>Sent:</b><=
span>=C2=A0</span>Thursday, October 15, 2020 8:27 AM<br><b>To:</b><span>=C2=
=A0</span>list Triumph &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b><span>=C2=A0=
</span>[TR] Battery troubles<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style=3D"margin:=
0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></di=
v><div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-ser=
if">My Tr4 hasn&#39;t gotten out at all this summer.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I put my n=
ew battery charger on it -=C2=A0 It&#39;s all electronic=C2=A0 vs my old on=
e that just had a 3 position switch and an analog meter.<u></u><u></u></div=
><div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-seri=
f"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:=
11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">This new charger is quite fancy, it wi=
ll tell you if the battery is connected backwards,=C2=A0 light a light with=
 a bad battery, etc.=C2=A0 Trouble is I&quot;m not sure I trust it.<u></u><=
u></u></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:=
Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div></div><div><div style=3D"marg=
in:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I&#39;ve had this thi=
ng tell me 4 batteries=C2=A0are bad.=C2=A0 I havent been driving my truck, =
my wife hasn&#39;t been driving her Z4,=C2=A0 and my mom&#39;s car battery =
showed bad as well....<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin:0=
in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div=
></div><div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,san=
s-serif">I think I&#39;m going to buy an old school charger and see what ha=
ppens.=C2=A0 It&#39;s cheaper than buying one of the four batteries....<u><=
/u><u></u></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></div></div><div><div style=3D"=
margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Or they just sat =
so long they died.....=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Anyone have experience with those=
 newer fancy chargers?=C2=A0 Any issues or concerns?<u></u><u></u></div></d=
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We had an electric Hustler zero-turn mower for a while at a Nature =
Center that I work at. It was a donation so we didn=E2=80=99t complain =
=E2=80=93 but=E2=80=A6 The supplied battery charger would boil the =
batteries out in a month or so. Re-watering the batteries (four group =
31=E2=80=99s) every month was a real pain.

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As John mentioned, Solar is an old name in chargers =E2=80=93 I have a =
wheeled unit that=E2=80=99s suitable for 6 and 12 volt batteries with 4 =
levels of charge rate along with a timer. Like so many old companies, =
they are now part of another group, I believe.

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I also have a LaMarche float charger that came from a standby generator =
=E2=80=93 It=E2=80=99s only rated for about 5 amp but I can leave it on =
a small or big battery for months if I want. I=E2=80=99m sure new ones =
are not cheap!

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https://www.lamarchemfg.com/

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Alex Thomson

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From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Rye =
Livingston
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 2:29 PM
To: dave
Cc: list Triumph
Subject: Re: [TR] Battery troubles

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So back to changing and knowing the status of your battery, this handy =
tool is excellent.  SOLAR BA7 =
https://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/B0015PI7=
A4/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZLSG9K3 =
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You don=E2=80=99t have to disconnect your battery.  Battery =
doesn=E2=80=99t need to be fully charged to test it.  You just connect =
it and enter it what kind of battery it is and the Cold Cranking Amps =
it=E2=80=99s rated for, and it tells you the condition of the battery =
and how many CCA it still has.  I was blown away when I tested a 5 year =
old Optima battery in my Triumph TR3, and I think it=E2=80=99s rated for =
700 CCA, and it still has 620, which is why it still works great.

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Good luck,

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Rye Livingston

Activities Chairman

1960 Triumph TR3A

PH: 530-FIND-RYE

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space;line-break:after-white-space'><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We had an =
electric Hustler zero-turn mower for a while at a Nature Center that I =
work at. It was a donation so we didn=E2=80=99t complain =E2=80=93 =
but=E2=80=A6 The supplied battery charger would boil the batteries out =
in a month or so. Re-watering the batteries (four group 31=E2=80=99s) =
every month was a real pain.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As John =
mentioned, Solar is an old name in chargers =E2=80=93 I have a wheeled =
unit that=E2=80=99s suitable for 6 and 12 volt batteries with 4 levels =
of charge rate along with a timer. Like so many old companies, they are =
now part of another group, I believe.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I also have a =
LaMarche float charger that came from a standby generator =E2=80=93 =
It=E2=80=99s only rated for about 5 amp but I can leave it on a small or =
big battery for months if I want. I=E2=80=99m sure new ones are not =
cheap!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a =
href=3D"https://www.lamarchemfg.com/">https://www.lamarchemfg.com/</a><o:=
p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alex =
Thomson<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Rye Livingston<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 15, 2020 2:29 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> dave<br><b>Cc:</b> list Triumph<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[TR] Battery troubles<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>Two points. &nbsp;I learned from my local =
mechanic that even the higher end Battery Tender Plus that is in the =
little metal box, will not maintain a battery, but will cook a battery =
when left on all the time. &nbsp;I was advised to plug it in for a week, =
2 at the most, then disconnect if for a week or two. &nbsp;What a =
pain.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>In my Airstream =
trailer, which has a charging system when plugged in, to charge the deep =
cycle batteries. &nbsp;I learned the hard way that the unit that comes =
from the factory is crap and will cook the batteries. &nbsp;I upgraded =
to a model that will let me leave it plugged in for months to years, no =
problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>So back to changing =
and knowing the status of your battery, this handy tool is excellent. =
&nbsp;SOLAR BA7 <a =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/=
B0015PI7A4/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZLSG9K3&amp;dchild=3D1&amp;keywords=3D=
solar+battery+tester&amp;qid=3D1602785609&amp;sprefix=3Dsolar+battery+tes=
t,aps,852&amp;sr=3D8-3&amp;th=3D1">https://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-El=
ectronic-Battery-System/dp/B0015PI7A4/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZLSG9K3&a=
mp;dchild=3D1&amp;keywords=3Dsolar%2Bbattery%2Btester&amp;qid=3D160278560=
9&amp;sprefix=3Dsolar%2Bbattery%2Btest%2Caps%2C852&amp;sr=3D8-3&amp;th=3D=
1</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>No idea why it has Solar in the name as it =
has nothing to do with solar. &nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>You don=E2=80=99t =
have to disconnect your battery. &nbsp;Battery doesn=E2=80=99t need to =
be fully charged to test it. &nbsp;You just connect it and enter it what =
kind of battery it is and the Cold Cranking Amps it=E2=80=99s rated for, =
and it tells you the condition of the battery and how many CCA it still =
has. &nbsp;I was blown away when I tested a 5 year old Optima battery in =
my Triumph TR3, and I think it=E2=80=99s rated for 700 CCA, and it still =
has 620, which is why it still works =
great.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>Good =
luck,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>Rye =
Livingston</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>Activities =
Chairman</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>Triumph =
Travelers Sports Car Club</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>1960 Triumph =
TR3A</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>PH: =
530-FIND-RYE</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Oct 15, 2020, at 11:06 AM, dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Funny you =
should mention this.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I have a =
battery charger that I bought from Kmart (remember them) around =
1978.&nbsp; All steel construction with an analog gage in front.&nbsp; =
It still works great.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I =
purchased a modern charger about 10 years ago and it lasted only a few =
years.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>If you =
have a light timer, you can plug the charger into the timer and let it =
charge only an hour or so a day.&nbsp; Old tech + old tech beats new =
tech!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid =
#E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span=
></b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Triumphs =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
am.net</a>&gt;<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><b>On =
Behalf Of<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></b>Chris =
Simo<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Thursday, October 15, 2020 =
8:27 AM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>list Triumph &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<b=
r><b>Subject:</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>[TR] =
Battery troubles<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>My Tr4 =
hasn't gotten out at all this summer.&nbsp; &nbsp;I put my new battery =
charger on it -&nbsp; It's all electronic&nbsp; vs my old one that just =
had a 3 position switch and an analog =
meter.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>This new =
charger is quite fancy, it will tell you if the battery is connected =
backwards,&nbsp; light a light with a bad battery, etc.&nbsp; Trouble is =
I&quot;m not sure I trust =
it.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I've had =
this thing tell me 4 batteries&nbsp;are bad.&nbsp; I havent been driving =
my truck, my wife hasn't been driving her Z4,&nbsp; and my mom's car =
battery showed bad as =
well....<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I think =
I'm going to buy an old school charger and see what happens.&nbsp; It's =
cheaper than buying one of the four =
batteries....<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Or they =
just sat so long they died.....&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Anyone have =
experience with those newer fancy chargers?&nbsp; Any issues or =
concerns?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Thanks!<o:p=
></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 19:55:57 +0000 (UTC)

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 There are many different chargers available.=C2=A0 You can get a smart cha=
rger for $35 but I wouldn't trust it.=C2=A0 I bought one one a trip once (I=
 was desperate) and it crapped out after a couple of months.=C2=A0 I have a=
lso bought some trickle chargers for around $10.=C2=A0 Don't know why.=C2=
=A0=20

Over the years we have bought probably a thousand chargers from a company c=
alled Chargetek.=C2=A0 We've had one fail on us.=C2=A0 I don't know if they=
 are available retail but the CT500 is bullet proof.=C2=A0 The only down si=
de is it won't charge a dead battery.=C2=A0 It won't start charging if batt=
ery voltage is below 8 volts.
Marinco chargers are available retail and quite popular with the boating se=
t.=C2=A0 These are good chargers and I recommend them.
I have a pair of CTEK 3300 model.=C2=A0 It works well but you have to selec=
t the battery type each time it is plugged in.=C2=A0 Since our chargers are=
 buried in the unit we need a charger that will just start charging when it=
 is plugged in.
We are evaluating a charger from NOCO.=C2=A0 Too soon to offer a recommenda=
tion but it looks promising.=C2=A0=20
=20
Dave=20

=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Rye Livingston <[email-masked]>
To: dave <[email-masked]>
Cc: list Triumph <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2020 1:28 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Battery troubles

Two points. =C2=A0I learned from my local mechanic that even the higher end=
 Battery Tender Plus that is in the little metal box, will not maintain a b=
attery, but will cook a battery when left on all the time. =C2=A0I was advi=
sed to plug it in for a week, 2 at the most, then disconnect if for a week =
or two. =C2=A0What a pain.
In my Airstream trailer, which has a charging system when plugged in, to ch=
arge the deep cycle batteries. =C2=A0I learned the hard way that the unit t=
hat comes from the factory is crap and will cook the batteries. =C2=A0I upg=
raded to a model that will let me leave it plugged in for months to years, =
no problem.
So back to changing and knowing the status of your battery, this handy tool=
 is excellent. =C2=A0SOLAR BA7 https://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electron=
ic-Battery-System/dp/B0015PI7A4/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZLSG9K3&dchild=3D=
1&keywords=3Dsolar%2Bbattery%2Btester&qid=3D1602785609&sprefix=3Dsolar%2Bba=
ttery%2Btest%2Caps%2C852&sr=3D8-3&th=3D1No idea why it has Solar in the nam=
e as it has nothing to do with solar. =C2=A0
You don=E2=80=99t have to disconnect your battery. =C2=A0Battery doesn=E2=
=80=99t need to be fully charged to test it. =C2=A0You just connect it and =
enter it what kind of battery it is and the Cold Cranking Amps it=E2=80=99s=
 rated for, and it tells you the condition of the battery and how many CCA =
it still has. =C2=A0I was blown away when I tested a 5 year old Optima batt=
ery in my Triumph TR3, and I think it=E2=80=99s rated for 700 CCA, and it s=
till has 620, which is why it still works great.
Good luck,
Rye LivingstonActivities ChairmanTriumph Travelers Sports Car Club1960 Triu=
mph TR3APH: 530-FIND-RYE

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<div style=3D"color:black;font: 12pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div> <font size=3D"3">There are many different chargers available.&nbsp; Y=
ou can get a smart charger for $35 but I wouldn't trust it.&nbsp; I bought =
one one a trip once (I was desperate) and it crapped out after a couple of =
months.&nbsp; I have also bought some trickle chargers for around $10.&nbsp=
; Don't know why.&nbsp; <br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Over the years we have bought probably a thousand cha=
rgers from a company called Chargetek.&nbsp; We've had one fail on us.&nbsp=
; I don't know if they are available retail but the CT500 is bullet proof.&=
nbsp; The only down side is it won't charge a dead battery.&nbsp; It won't =
start charging if battery voltage is below 8 volts.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Marinco chargers are available retail and quite popul=
ar with the boating set.&nbsp; These are good chargers and I recommend them=
.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">I have a pair of CTEK 3300 model.&nbsp; It works well=
 but you have to select the battery type each time it is plugged in.&nbsp; =
Since our chargers are buried in the unit we need a charger that will just =
start charging when it is plugged in.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">We are evaluating a charger from NOCO.&nbsp; Too soon=
 to offer a recommendation but it looks promising.&nbsp; </font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----=
Original Message-----<br>
From: Rye Livingston &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: dave &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: list Triumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2020 1:28 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Battery troubles<br>
<br>

<div id=3D"yiv5049077277">
<div><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-size:14px;">Two points. &n=
bsp;I learned from my local mechanic that even the higher end Battery Tende=
r Plus that is in the little metal box, will not maintain a battery, but wi=
ll cook a battery when left on all the time. &nbsp;I was advised to plug it=
 in for a week, 2 at the most, then disconnect if for a week or two. &nbsp;=
What a pain.</span>
<div class=3D"yiv5049077277"><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-si=
ze:14px;"><br class=3D"yiv5049077277" clear=3D"none"></span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277"><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-si=
ze:14px;">In my Airstream trailer, which has a charging system when plugged=
 in, to charge the deep cycle batteries. &nbsp;I learned the hard way that =
the unit that comes from the factory is crap and will cook the batteries. &=
nbsp;I upgraded to a model that will let me leave it plugged in for months =
to years, no problem.</span>
<div class=3D"yiv5049077277"><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-si=
ze:14px;"><br class=3D"yiv5049077277" clear=3D"none"></span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277"><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-si=
ze:14px;">So back to changing and knowing the status of your battery, this =
handy tool is excellent. &nbsp;SOLAR BA7 <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect"=
 class=3D"yiv5049077277" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/B=
A7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/B0015PI7A4/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UH=
UBUZLSG9K3&amp;dchild=3D1&amp;keywords=3Dsolar+battery+tester&amp;qid=3D160=
2785609&amp;sprefix=3Dsolar+battery+test,aps,852&amp;sr=3D8-3&amp;th=3D1">h=
ttps://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/B0015PI7A4/=
ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZLSG9K3&amp;dchild=3D1&amp;keywords=3Dsolar%2Bbat=
tery%2Btester&amp;qid=3D1602785609&amp;sprefix=3Dsolar%2Bbattery%2Btest%2Ca=
ps%2C852&amp;sr=3D8-3&amp;th=3D1</a></span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277"><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-si=
ze:14px;">No idea why it has Solar in the name as it has nothing to do with=
 solar. &nbsp;</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277"><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-si=
ze:14px;"><br class=3D"yiv5049077277" clear=3D"none"></span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277"><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-si=
ze:14px;">You don=E2=80=99t have to disconnect your battery. &nbsp;Battery =
doesn=E2=80=99t need to be fully charged to test it. &nbsp;You just connect=
 it and enter it what kind of battery it is and the Cold Cranking Amps it=
=E2=80=99s rated for, and it tells you the condition of the battery and how=
 many CCA it still has. &nbsp;I was blown away when I tested a 5 year old O=
ptima battery in my Triumph TR3, and I think it=E2=80=99s rated for 700 CCA=
, and it still has 620, which is why it still works great.</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277"><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-si=
ze:14px;"><br class=3D"yiv5049077277" clear=3D"none"></span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277"><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-si=
ze:14px;">Good luck,</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277"><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-si=
ze:14px;"><br class=3D"yiv5049077277" clear=3D"none"></span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277">
<div class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"=
><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-size:14px;">Rye Livingston</sp=
an></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"=
><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-size:14px;">Activities Chairma=
n</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"=
><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-size:14px;">Triumph Travelers =
Sports Car Club</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"=
><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-size:14px;">1960 Triumph TR3A<=
/span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"=
><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"float:none;display:inline !importan=
t;font-size:14px;">PH: 530-FIND-RYE</span></div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277"><br class=3D"yiv5049077277" clear=3D"none"></d=
iv>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277"><br class=3D"yiv5049077277" clear=3D"none"></d=
iv>
</div>
</div>
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I have a TecMate Desulfating Charger + Tester that I have used with my Trium=
ph Bonneville motorcycle since new. It is left connected all winter and I ha=
ve never had a problem.  Also use it occasionally on my TR5.=20

Stephen Nutt.=20

> On Oct 15, 2020, at 3:55 PM, DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> There are many different chargers available.  You can get a smart charger f=
or $35 but I wouldn't trust it.  I bought one one a trip once (I was despera=
te) and it crapped out after a couple of months.  I have also bought some tr=
ickle chargers for around $10.  Don't know why. =20
> Over the years we have bought probably a thousand chargers from a company c=
alled Chargetek.  We've had one fail on us.  I don't know if they are availa=
ble retail but the CT500 is bullet proof.  The only down side is it won't ch=
arge a dead battery.  It won't start charging if battery voltage is below 8 v=
olts.
>=20
> Marinco chargers are available retail and quite popular with the boating s=
et.  These are good chargers and I recommend them.
>=20
> I have a pair of CTEK 3300 model.  It works well but you have to select th=
e battery type each time it is plugged in.  Since our chargers are buried in=
 the unit we need a charger that will just start charging when it is plugged=
 in.
>=20
> We are evaluating a charger from NOCO.  Too soon to offer a recommendation=
 but it looks promising. =20
> Two points.  I learned from my local mechanic that even the higher end Bat=
tery Tender Plus that is in the little metal box, will not maintain a batter=
y, but will cook a battery when left on all the time.  I was advised to plug=
 it in for a week, 2 at the most, then disconnect if for a week or two.  Wha=
t a pain.
>=20
> In my Airstream trailer, which has a charging system when plugged in, to c=
harge the deep cycle batteries.  I learned the hard way that the unit that c=
omes from the factory is crap and will cook the batteries.  I upgraded to a m=
odel that will let me leave it plugged in for months to years, no problem.
>=20
> So back to changing and knowing the status of your battery, this handy too=
l is excellent.  SOLAR BA7 https://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Ba=
ttery-System/dp/B0015PI7A4/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZLSG9K3&dchild=3D1&keyw=
ords=3Dsolar%2Bbattery%2Btester&qid=3D1602785609&sprefix=3Dsolar%2Bbattery%2=
Btest%2Caps%2C852&sr=3D8-3&th=3D1
> No idea why it has Solar in the name as it has nothing to do with solar. =20=

> You don=E2=80=99t have to disconnect your battery.  Battery doesn=E2=80=99=
t need to be fully charged to test it.  You just connect it and enter it wha=
t kind of battery it is and the Cold Cranking Amps it=E2=80=99s rated for, a=
nd it tells you the condition of the battery and how many CCA it still has. =
 I was blown away when I tested a 5 year old Optima battery in my Triumph TR=
3, and I think it=E2=80=99s rated for 700 CCA, and it still has 620, which i=
s why it still works great.
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs  http://www.team.net/archi=
ve
>=20
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/stephen=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I have a TecMate Desulfating Charger + Test=
er that I have used with my Triumph Bonneville motorcycle since new. It is l=
eft connected all winter and I have never had a problem. &nbsp;Also use it o=
ccasionally on my TR5.&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Stephen Nutt.&nbsp;</di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 15, 2020, at 3:55 PM=
, DAVID MASSEY &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><=
blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<div style=3D"color:black;font: 12pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div> <font size=3D"3">There are many different chargers available.&nbsp; Yo=
u can get a smart charger for $35 but I wouldn't trust it.&nbsp; I bought on=
e one a trip once (I was desperate) and it crapped out after a couple of mon=
ths.&nbsp; I have also bought some trickle chargers for around $10.&nbsp; Do=
n't know why.&nbsp; <br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Over the years we have bought probably a thousand char=
gers from a company called Chargetek.&nbsp; We've had one fail on us.&nbsp; I=
 don't know if they are available retail but the CT500 is bullet proof.&nbsp=
; The only down side is it won't charge a dead battery.&nbsp; It won't start=
 charging if battery voltage is below 8 volts.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Marinco chargers are available retail and quite popula=
r with the boating set.&nbsp; These are good chargers and I recommend them.<=
/font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">I have a pair of CTEK 3300 model.&nbsp; It works well b=
ut you have to select the battery type each time it is plugged in.&nbsp; Sin=
ce our chargers are buried in the unit we need a charger that will just star=
t charging when it is plugged in.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">We are evaluating a charger from NOCO.&nbsp; Too soon t=
o offer a recommendation but it looks promising.&nbsp; </font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----O=
riginal Message-----<br>

<div id=3D"yiv5049077277">
<div><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-size:14px;">Two points. &nb=
sp;I learned from my local mechanic that even the higher end Battery Tender P=
lus that is in the little metal box, will not maintain a battery, but will c=
ook a battery when left on all the time. &nbsp;I was advised to plug it in f=
or a week, 2 at the most, then disconnect if for a week or two. &nbsp;What a=
 pain.</span>
<div class=3D"yiv5049077277"><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-siz=
e:14px;"><br class=3D"yiv5049077277" clear=3D"none"></span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277"><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-siz=
e:14px;">In my Airstream trailer, which has a charging system when plugged i=
n, to charge the deep cycle batteries. &nbsp;I learned the hard way that the=
 unit that comes from the factory is crap and will cook the batteries. &nbsp=
;I upgraded to a model that will let me leave it plugged in for months to ye=
ars, no problem.</span>
<div class=3D"yiv5049077277"><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-siz=
e:14px;"><br class=3D"yiv5049077277" clear=3D"none"></span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277"><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-siz=
e:14px;">So back to changing and knowing the status of your battery, this ha=
ndy tool is excellent. &nbsp;SOLAR BA7 <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" cl=
ass=3D"yiv5049077277" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/BA7-1=
00-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/B0015PI7A4/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZL=
SG9K3&amp;dchild=3D1&amp;keywords=3Dsolar+battery+tester&amp;qid=3D160278560=
9&amp;sprefix=3Dsolar+battery+test,aps,852&amp;sr=3D8-3&amp;th=3D1">https://=
www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/B0015PI7A4/ref=3Dsr=
_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZLSG9K3&amp;dchild=3D1&amp;keywords=3Dsolar%2Bbattery%2Bte=
ster&amp;qid=3D1602785609&amp;sprefix=3Dsolar%2Bbattery%2Btest%2Caps%2C852&a=
mp;sr=3D8-3&amp;th=3D1</a></span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277"><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-siz=
e:14px;">No idea why it has Solar in the name as it has nothing to do with s=
olar. &nbsp;</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277"><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-siz=
e:14px;"><br class=3D"yiv5049077277" clear=3D"none"></span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277"><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-siz=
e:14px;">You don=E2=80=99t have to disconnect your battery. &nbsp;Battery do=
esn=E2=80=99t need to be fully charged to test it. &nbsp;You just connect it=
 and enter it what kind of battery it is and the Cold Cranking Amps it=E2=80=
=99s rated for, and it tells you the condition of the battery and how many C=
CA it still has. &nbsp;I was blown away when I tested a 5 year old Optima ba=
ttery in my Triumph TR3, and I think it=E2=80=99s rated for 700 CCA, and it s=
till has 620, which is why it still works great.</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277"><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-siz=
e:14px;"><br class=3D"yiv5049077277" clear=3D"none"></span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277"><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-siz=
e:14px;">Good luck,</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277"><span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-siz=
e:14px;"><br class=3D"yiv5049077277" clear=3D"none"></span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277">
<div class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">=
<span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-size:14px;">Rye Livingston</span=
></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">=
<span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-size:14px;">Activities Chairman<=
/span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">=
<span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-size:14px;">Triumph Travelers Sp=
orts Car Club</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">=
<span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"font-size:14px;">1960 Triumph TR3A</s=
pan></div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">=
<span class=3D"yiv5049077277" style=3D"float:none;display:inline !important;=
font-size:14px;">PH: 530-FIND-RYE</span></div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277"><br class=3D"yiv5049077277" clear=3D"none"></di=
v>

<div class=3D"yiv5049077277"><br class=3D"yiv5049077277" clear=3D"none"></di=
v>
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 07:47:42 -0400

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ChargeTek has an interesting website =E2=80=93 Lots to be learned there. =
Same with NOCO.

=20

For testing batteries, I still prefer a carbon-pile load tester. Years =
ago, I had an Allyn 500 amp tester in my Ag shop at school that worked =
great. I don=E2=80=99t think they are around anymore so I bought a Solar =
brand unit when it was on sale at my local Napa dealer.

=20

https://cloreautomotive.com/product/1874/

=20

I think it was around $90.

=20

With 2 trucks, 3 cars, 3 garden tractors and 9 farm tractors, I have =
found using it helpful when diagnosing batteries, charging systems, etc.

=20

Alex Thomson

=20

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
DAVID MASSEY
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 3:56 PM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] Battery troubles

=20

There are many different chargers available.  You can get a smart =
charger for $35 but I wouldn't trust it.  I bought one one a trip once =
(I was desperate) and it crapped out after a couple of months.  I have =
also bought some trickle chargers for around $10.  Don't know why. =20

=20

Over the years we have bought probably a thousand chargers from a =
company called Chargetek.  We've had one fail on us.  I don't know if =
they are available retail but the CT500 is bullet proof.  The only down =
side is it won't charge a dead battery.  It won't start charging if =
battery voltage is below 8 volts.

=20

Marinco chargers are available retail and quite popular with the boating =
set.  These are good chargers and I recommend them.

=20

I have a pair of CTEK 3300 model.  It works well but you have to select =
the battery type each time it is plugged in.  Since our chargers are =
buried in the unit we need a charger that will just start charging when =
it is plugged in.

=20

We are evaluating a charger from NOCO.  Too soon to offer a =
recommendation but it looks promising. =20

=20

Dave=20

=20

=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Rye Livingston <[email-masked]>
To: dave <[email-masked]>
Cc: list Triumph <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2020 1:28 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Battery troubles

a week or two.  What a pain.=20

=20

years, no problem.=20

=20

=20

=20

Good luck,

=20

Rye Livingston

Activities Chairman

1960 Triumph TR3A

PH: 530-FIND-RYE

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>ChargeTek has =
an interesting website =E2=80=93 Lots to be learned there. Same with =
NOCO.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>For testing =
batteries, I still prefer a carbon-pile load tester. Years ago, I had an =
Allyn 500 amp tester in my Ag shop at school that worked great. I =
don=E2=80=99t think they are around anymore so I bought a Solar brand =
unit when it was on sale at my local Napa =
dealer.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a =
href=3D"https://cloreautomotive.com/product/1874/">https://cloreautomotiv=
e.com/product/1874/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think it =
was around $90.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>With 2 =
trucks, 3 cars, 3 garden tractors and 9 farm tractors, I have found =
using it helpful when diagnosing batteries, charging systems, =
etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alex =
Thomson<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>DAVID MASSEY<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 15, 2020 3:56 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]; [email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Battery =
troubles<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>There are many =
different chargers available.&nbsp; You can get a smart charger for $35 =
but I wouldn't trust it.&nbsp; I bought one one a trip once (I was =
desperate) and it crapped out after a couple of months.&nbsp; I have =
also bought some trickle chargers for around $10.&nbsp; Don't know =
why.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Over the years we =
have bought probably a thousand chargers from a company called =
Chargetek.&nbsp; We've had one fail on us.&nbsp; I don't know if they =
are available retail but the CT500 is bullet proof.&nbsp; The only down =
side is it won't charge a dead battery.&nbsp; It won't start charging if =
battery voltage is below 8 volts.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Marinco chargers =
are available retail and quite popular with the boating set.&nbsp; These =
are good chargers and I recommend =
them.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I have a pair of =
CTEK 3300 model.&nbsp; It works well but you have to select the battery =
type each time it is plugged in.&nbsp; Since our chargers are buried in =
the unit we need a charger that will just start charging when it is =
plugged in.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>We are evaluating =
a charger from NOCO.&nbsp; Too soon to offer a recommendation but it =
looks promising.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>D=
ave </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-=
----Original Message-----<br>From: Rye Livingston =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>To: dave &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Cc: list =
Triumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2020 1:28 =
pm<br>Subject: Re: [TR] Battery troubles<o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
id=3Dyiv5049077277><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dyiv5049077277><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>T=
wo points. &nbsp;I learned from my local mechanic that even the higher =
end Battery Tender Plus that is in the little metal box, will not =
maintain a battery, but will cook a battery when left on all the time. =
&nbsp;I was advised to plug it in for a week, 2 at the most, then =
disconnect if for a week or two. &nbsp;What a pain.</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dyiv5049077277><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I=
n my Airstream trailer, which has a charging system when plugged in, to =
charge the deep cycle batteries. &nbsp;I learned the hard way that the =
unit that comes from the factory is crap and will cook the batteries. =
&nbsp;I upgraded to a model that will let me leave it plugged in for =
months to years, no problem.</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dyiv5049077277><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>S=
o back to changing and knowing the status of your battery, this handy =
tool is excellent. &nbsp;SOLAR BA7 <a =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/=
B0015PI7A4/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZLSG9K3&amp;dchild=3D1&amp;keywords=3D=
solar+battery+tester&amp;qid=3D1602785609&amp;sprefix=3Dsolar+battery+tes=
t,aps,852&amp;sr=3D8-3&amp;th=3D1" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-=
System/dp/B0015PI7A4/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZLSG9K3&amp;dchild=3D1&amp=
;keywords=3Dsolar%2Bbattery%2Btester&amp;qid=3D1602785609&amp;sprefix=3Ds=
olar%2Bbattery%2Btest%2Caps%2C852&amp;sr=3D8-3&amp;th=3D1</a></span></spa=
n><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dyiv5049077277><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>N=
o idea why it has Solar in the name as it has nothing to do with solar. =
&nbsp;</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><=
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From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 06:31:43 -0700

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On Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 11:07 AM dave <[email-masked]> wrote:

> ...I have a battery charger that I bought from Kmart (remember them)
> around 1978.  All steel construction with an analog gage in front.  It
> still works great...
>
My Kmart charger has been in service since 1971.  For the past 20 years it
has been the power source for a light and two exhaust fans in our cabin
outhouse.

Just hanging from a hook under the deck it has been operating 24/7 most
months for two decades.

They really don't build stuff like that anymore.

Geo

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 11:07 AM dave &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72" s=
tyle=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div class=3D"m_-1529431738971953131WordSecti=
on1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">...I have a battery charger that I bought from =
Kmart (remember them) around 1978.=C2=A0 All steel construction with an ana=
log gage in front.=C2=A0 It still works great...</p></div></div></blockquot=
e></div><div dir=3D"auto">My Kmart charger has been in service since 1971.=
=C2=A0 For the past 20 years it has been the power source for a light and t=
wo exhaust fans in our cabin outhouse.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto">Just hanging from a hook under the deck it has been operatin=
g 24/7 most months for two decades.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto">They really don&#39;t build stuff like that anymore.</div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Geo</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
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From: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:18:37 -0500

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Wow, mentioning the KMart charger made me walk out to the shop... yep,
she's still there, still in the original box with the Kmart price
sticker - but I can't read it. Forty years and counting, still works. I
have several others (the late model BatteryMINDer is probably the
favorite for me) but the old analog standby still comes in handy. And
yes, the label says "3 AMP" - but if that analog gauge is correct, it
pegs right up to the 6A level when first attached to a unit in need of a
lot of juice. 

 - Lee

On 2020-10-15 13:06, dave wrote: 

> I have a battery charger that I bought from Kmart (remember them)
> I purchased a modern charger about 10 years ago and it lasted only a
> few years.
> 
> If you have a light timer, you can plug the charger into the timer and
> let it charge only an hour or so a day.  Old tech + old tech beats new
> tech!
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Wow, mentioning the KMart charger made me walk out to the shop... yep, she'=
s still there, still in the original box with the Kmart price sticker - but=
 I can't read it. Forty years and counting, still works. I have several oth=
ers (the late model BatteryMINDer is probably the favorite for me) but the =
old analog standby still comes in handy. And yes, the label says "3 AMP" - =
but if that analog gauge is correct, it pegs right up to the 6A level when =
first attached to a unit in need of a lot of juice.</div>
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&nbsp;- Lee<br /> <br /> On 2020-10-15 13:06, dave wrote:
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px solid; margin: 0">Funny you should mention this.<br /> <br /> I have a b=
attery charger that I bought from Kmart (remember them)<br /> around 1978=
=2E &nbsp;All steel construction with an analog gage in front. &nbsp;It<br =
/> still works great.<br /> <br /> I purchased a modern charger about 10 ye=
ars ago and it lasted only a<br /> few years.<br /> <br /> If you have a li=
ght timer, you can plug the charger into the timer and<br /> let it charge =
only an hour or so a day. &nbsp;Old tech + old tech beats new<br /> tech!</=
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From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" <[email-masked]>
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I had one like that many years ago but it said =E2=80=9CWizard=E2=80=9D =
on the front since I bought it at a Western Auto store. Mine was a 3 amp =
unit, as well. =20

=20

After seeing that picture, I couldn=E2=80=99t resist taking pictures of =
my other older chargers. The top charger is blue and labeled =
=E2=80=9CFord=E2=80=9D but they were available from IH and Deere =
dealers, as well with appropriate logos. Comparing it to the machine in =
the bottom of the picture, I would say it=E2=80=99s a safe bet to assume =
it was made by Solar.

=20

I use the little Balkamp unit for any overnight charging.

=20

Alex Thomson

=20

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
[email-masked]
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 12:19 PM
To: 'list Triumph'
Subject: Re: [TR] Battery troubles

=20

Wow, mentioning the KMart charger made me walk out to the shop... yep, =
she's still there, still in the original box with the Kmart price =
sticker - but I can't read it. Forty years and counting, still works. I =
have several others (the late model BatteryMINDer is probably the =
favorite for me) but the old analog standby still comes in handy. And =
yes, the label says "3 AMP" - but if that analog gauge is correct, it =
pegs right up to the 6A level when first attached to a unit in need of a =
lot of juice.

=20

 - Lee

On 2020-10-15 13:06, dave wrote:=20

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style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I had one =
like that many years ago but it said =E2=80=9CWizard=E2=80=9D on the =
front since I bought it at a Western Auto store. Mine was a 3 amp unit, =
as well.=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>After seeing =
that picture, I couldn=E2=80=99t resist taking pictures of my other =
older chargers. The top charger is blue and labeled =
=E2=80=9CFord=E2=80=9D but they were available from IH and Deere =
dealers, as well with appropriate logos. Comparing it to the machine in =
the bottom of the picture, I would say it=E2=80=99s a safe bet to assume =
it was made by Solar.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I use the =
little Balkamp unit for any overnight charging.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>[email-masked]<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 19, 2020 12:19 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> 'list Triumph'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Battery =
troubles<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Wow, mentioning the =
KMart charger made me walk out to the shop... yep, she's still there, =
still in the original box with the Kmart price sticker - but I can't =
read it. Forty years and counting, still works. I have several others =
(the late model BatteryMINDer is probably the favorite for me) but the =
old analog standby still comes in handy. And yes, the label says &quot;3 =
AMP&quot; - but if that analog gauge is correct, it pegs right up to the =
6A level when first attached to a unit in need of a lot of =
juice.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;- =
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that I bought from Kmart (remember them)<br>around 1978. &nbsp;All steel =
construction with an analog gage in front. &nbsp;It<br>still works =
great.<br><br>I purchased a modern charger about 10 years ago and it =
lasted only a<br>few years.<br><br>If you have a light timer, you can =
plug the charger into the timer and<br>let it charge only an hour or so =
a day. &nbsp;Old tech + old tech beats =
new<br>tech!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>
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