Subject: [TR] A little story about Coker tires

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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 18:05:43 -0400

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Just for what it=E2=80=99s worth=E2=80=A6..

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When I bought my TR5 from Charles Runyan=E2=80=99s estate, it came with =
15 year-old tires.  They had little to no wear, and drove fine, but I =
decided I should do the right thing and replace them if I was to take =
loved ones out for a drive in the car.

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Since there was only one manufacturer to choose from for redline tires, =
I bought 4 tires from Coker, through Discount Tire.  Not cheap!!

=20

I put them on the car and there was a terrible wobble around 50 mph.  I =
took them back twice to Discount to get them balanced, but the wobble =
persisted.  Finally, I took them to an old guy (well, older than me) in =
Detroit who boasted he had balanced wire wheels for 40 years.  He told =
me the tires were so out of true they could not be balanced. =20

=20

I took them back to Discount Tire and they called Coker.  Coker refused =
to take them back unless they fell outside certain specifications.  The =
Discount Tire shop didn=E2=80=99t really know what Coker was talking =
about, but went through the process and sure enough, the tires all fell =
outside the specifications.

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So the good news is, Coker will take them back.  The bad news is, Coker =
has no redline tires and doesn=E2=80=99t know when they will have more, =
if ever.

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So my plan is to put new tires, not redline, on the car and keep the =
redlines I have if ever a buyer wants originality or the car is shown.

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Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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class=3DWordSection1><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>Just for =
what it=E2=80=99s worth=E2=80=A6..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>When I bought my TR5 from Charles =
Runyan=E2=80=99s estate, it came with 15 year-old tires.=C2=A0 They had =
little to no wear, and drove fine, but I decided I should do the right =
thing and replace them if I was to take loved ones out for a drive in =
the car.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>Since there was only one manufacturer to =
choose from for redline tires, I bought 4 tires from Coker, through =
Discount Tire.=C2=A0 Not cheap!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>I put them on the car and there was a =
terrible wobble around 50 mph.=C2=A0 I took them back twice to Discount =
to get them balanced, but the wobble persisted.=C2=A0 Finally, I took =
them to an old guy (well, older than me) in Detroit who boasted he had =
balanced wire wheels for 40 years.=C2=A0 He told me the tires were so =
out of true they could not be balanced.=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>I took them back to Discount Tire and they =
called Coker.=C2=A0 Coker refused to take them back unless they fell =
outside certain specifications.=C2=A0 The Discount Tire shop =
didn=E2=80=99t really know what Coker was talking about, but went =
through the process and sure enough, the tires all fell outside the =
specifications.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>So the good news is, Coker will take them =
back.=C2=A0 The bad news is, Coker has no redline tires and =
doesn=E2=80=99t know when they will have more, if =
ever.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>So my plan is to put new tires, not redline, =
on the car and keep the redlines I have if ever a buyer wants =
originality or the car is shown.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>Andrew Uprichard<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>Jackson, =
Michigan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>
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From: michael kutka <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 19:41:32 -0400

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Hendrix wire wheel will stripe a more modern tire, true it, etc. one stop sh=
op.

Michael

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:17 PM, DAVE HOGYE <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> I guess these are bias-ply tires.  Bias-ply tires are difficult to deal wi=
th.  Some say, don't even bother with balancing until they are broken in wit=
h say, a few hundred miles on them. They tend to be out-of-round when new.  I=
 had huge problems with two new sets of Hoosier Vintage TD race tires for my=
 TR3.  Around $1200 a set, mounted and balanced.  I drive my car on the stre=
et too, so I was able to discover this before getting to the track.  Repeate=
d tries at balancing went nowhere.  I had them "road force balanced" multipl=
e times in attempt to improve the matter.  This machine reads the run-out.  =
 I think 20 was about the number that you would not feel while driving.  Non=
e of the tires were under 30 and some were 80.  You didn't need a machine to=
 see how out-of round they were, even at 30.  Terrible.  They really upset a=
 weekend of racing at the Laguna Seca, Rolex Reunion.  The car shook terribl=
y between 60-90 mph.  Above 90 was better.   After the event I called Hoosie=
r and they sent me another set, no charge.  I had to eat the extra attempts a=
t balancing.  The second set was also very bad and a year later, my second R=
olex race weekend was equally disappointing.  Hoosier sent a third set, no c=
harge.   This set was excellent.  This event is the only one that I have to r=
un bias-ply race tires.  I've heard from other racers that the much more exp=
ensive Dunlops are even worst.  Hoosier did not request the bad sets be sent=
 back.  I have since remounted a couple of lower "road force" numbered tires=
 and they are good now.  So with some wear, they did get better.  =20
> Roger Kraus Racing, tire company, recommended truing these tires by shavin=
g the tread when newly mounted if they are noticeably out-of round and take a=
 lot of weight to balance. =20
> Happy motoring,
> Dave H.
>> On 10/13/2020 3:05 PM [email-masked] wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> When I bought my TR5 from Charles Runyan=E2=80=99s estate, it came with 1=
5 year-old tires.  They had little to no wear, and drove fine, but I decided=
 I should do the right thing and replace them if I was to take loved ones ou=
t for a drive in the car.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Since there was only one manufacturer to choose from for redline tires, I=
 bought 4 tires from Coker, through Discount Tire.  Not cheap!!
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> I put them on the car and there was a terrible wobble around 50 mph.  I t=
ook them back twice to Discount to get them balanced, but the wobble persist=
ed.  Finally, I took them to an old guy (well, older than me) in Detroit who=
 boasted he had balanced wire wheels for 40 years.  He told me the tires wer=
e so out of true they could not be balanced.=20
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> I took them back to Discount Tire and they called Coker.  Coker refused t=
o take them back unless they fell outside certain specifications.  The Disco=
unt Tire shop didn=E2=80=99t really know what Coker was talking about, but w=
ent through the process and sure enough, the tires all fell outside the spec=
ifications.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> So the good news is, Coker will take them back.  The bad news is, Coker h=
as no redline tires and doesn=E2=80=99t know when they will have more, if ev=
er.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> So my plan is to put new tires, not redline, on the car and keep the redl=
ines I have if ever a buyer wants originality or the car is shown.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Andrew Uprichard
>>=20
>> Jackson, Michigan
>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><br>Hendrix wire wheel will stripe a more m=
odern tire, true it, etc. one stop shop.<div><br></div><div>Michael</div><di=
v><br></div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:17 PM, DAVE HOGYE &l=
t;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

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  <meta charset=3D"UTF-8">=20
=20
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  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; c=
olor: #333333;">
   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">I guess these ar=
e bias-ply tires.&nbsp; Bias-ply tires are difficult to deal with.&nbsp; Som=
e say, don't even bother with balancing until they are broken in with say, a=
 few hundred miles on them. They tend to be out-of-round when new.&nbsp; I h=
ad huge problems with two new sets of Hoosier Vintage TD race tires for my T=
R3.&nbsp; Around $1200 a set, mounted and balanced.&nbsp; I drive my car on t=
he street too, so I was able to discover this before getting to the track.&n=
bsp; Repeated tries at balancing went nowhere.&nbsp; I had them "road force b=
alanced" multiple times in attempt to improve the matter.&nbsp; This machine=
 reads the run-out.&nbsp; &nbsp;I think 20 was about the number that you wou=
ld not feel while driving.&nbsp; None of the tires were under 30 and some we=
re 80.&nbsp; You didn't need a machine to see how out-of round they were, ev=
en at 30.&nbsp; Terrible.&nbsp; They really upset a weekend of racing at the=
 Laguna Seca, Rolex Reunion.&nbsp; The car shook terribly between 60-90 mph.=
&nbsp; Above 90 was better.&nbsp; &nbsp;After the event I called Hoosier and=
 they sent me another set, no charge.&nbsp; I had to eat the extra attempts a=
t balancing.&nbsp; The second set was also very bad and a year later, my sec=
ond Rolex race weekend was equally disappointing.&nbsp; Hoosier sent a third=
 set, no charge.&nbsp; &nbsp;This set was excellent.&nbsp; This event is the=
 only one that I have to run bias-ply race tires.&nbsp; I've heard from othe=
r racers that the much more expensive Dunlops are even worst.&nbsp; Hoosier d=
id not request the bad sets be sent back.&nbsp; I have since remounted a cou=
ple of lower "road force" numbered tires and they are good now.&nbsp; So wit=
h some wear, they did get better.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>
   <br>
  </div>
  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; c=
olor: #333333;">
   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">Roger Kraus Raci=
ng, tire company, recommended truing these tires by shaving the tread when n=
ewly mounted if they are noticeably out-of round and take a lot of weight to=
 balance.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>
  </div>
  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; c=
olor: #333333;">
   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">Happy motoring,<=
/span>
  </div>
  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; c=
olor: #333333;">
   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">Dave H.</span>
  </div>
  <blockquote type=3D"cite">
   <div>
    On 10/13/2020 3:05 PM [email-masked] wrote:
   </div>
   <div>
    <br>
   </div>
   <div>
    <br>
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   <div class=3D"WordSection1">
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     <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman',s=
erif; color: #1f497d;">Just for what it=E2=80=99s worth=E2=80=A6..</span></p=
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman',s=
erif; color: #1f497d;">&nbsp;</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman',s=
erif; color: #1f497d;">When I bought my TR5 from Charles Runyan=E2=80=99s es=
tate, it came with 15 year-old tires.&nbsp; They had little to no wear, and d=
rove fine, but I decided I should do the right thing and replace them if I w=
as to take loved ones out for a drive in the car.</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman',s=
erif; color: #1f497d;">&nbsp;</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman',s=
erif; color: #1f497d;">Since there was only one manufacturer to choose from f=
or redline tires, I bought 4 tires from Coker, through Discount Tire.&nbsp; N=
ot cheap!!</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman',s=
erif; color: #1f497d;">&nbsp;</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman',s=
erif; color: #1f497d;">I put them on the car and there was a terrible wobble=
 around 50 mph.&nbsp; I took them back twice to Discount to get them balance=
d, but the wobble persisted.&nbsp; Finally, I took them to an old guy (well,=
 older than me) in Detroit who boasted he had balanced wire wheels for 40 ye=
ars.&nbsp; He told me the tires were so out of true they could not be balanc=
ed.&nbsp; </span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman',s=
erif; color: #1f497d;">&nbsp;</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman',s=
erif; color: #1f497d;">I took them back to Discount Tire and they called Cok=
er.&nbsp; Coker refused to take them back unless they fell outside certain s=
pecifications.&nbsp; The Discount Tire shop didn=E2=80=99t really know what C=
oker was talking about, but went through the process and sure enough, the ti=
res all fell outside the specifications.</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman',s=
erif; color: #1f497d;">&nbsp;</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman',s=
erif; color: #1f497d;">So the good news is, Coker will take them back.&nbsp;=
 The bad news is, Coker has no redline tires and doesn=E2=80=99t know when t=
hey will have more, if ever.</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman',s=
erif; color: #1f497d;">&nbsp;</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman',s=
erif; color: #1f497d;">So my plan is to put new tires, not redline, on the c=
ar and keep the redlines I have if ever a buyer wants originality or the car=
 is shown.</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman',s=
erif; color: #1f497d;">&nbsp;</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman',s=
erif; color: #1f497d;">Andrew Uprichard</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman',s=
erif; color: #1f497d;">Jackson, Michigan</span></p>
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